Template:Did you know nominations/Atari CX40 joystick


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The result was: promoted by Cwmhiraeth (talk) 06:16, 28 November 2016 (UTC)

Atari CX40 joystick

 * ... that the Atari joystick, used on millions of systems, has been called "the pinnacle of home entertainment controllers in its day"?


 * Reviewed: Cybergeddon (film)

Created by Maury Markowitz (talk). Self-nominated at 16:35, 2 October 2016 (UTC).


 * Symbol possible vote.svg Hook is interesting. The source appears to be reliable. QPQ has been done. New article criteria has also been met. Good to go, I believe.--12george1 (talk) 06:26, 6 October 2016 (UTC)


 * Symbol possible vote.svg I pulled this from q3 because the hook is not supported, there is no support for the claim that the joystick sold millions, and the quote is for an "Atari 2600 joystick", not an "Atari joystick" generically, and also, why refer to the joystick generically when the article is about the CX40 specifically? Gatoclass (talk) 15:22, 6 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Sorry about that. I keep messing up when reviewing hooks. I wasn't really paying attention to the different types of Atari joysticks. But I do agree with your comments. Yeah, it does appear that the source isn't referring to CX40, nor that millions were sold.--12george1 (talk) 01:35, 8 October 2016 (UTC)

What the what? Is the complaint that I took "CX40" out of the hook?! Maury Markowitz (talk) 18:50, 19 October 2016 (UTC) For the record: Can someone please get this moving again? It's been here two weeks now and all I get are these hand-waving comments that don't help me actually fix anything. Please, BE SPECIFIC! Maury Markowitz (talk) 14:56, 23 October 2016 (UTC)
 * I left out CX40 because it's unnecessary for the hook, and there is more than one model (CX10).
 * Nowhere do I say "the joystick sold millions", the hook states "used on millions of systems". That is clearly cited in the body.
 * The "2600 joystick" is clearly referring to this stick.
 * Sorry you've been waiting a while to get this sorted. I think the reviewers above are correct to say that simply describing it as "the Atari joystick" won't work, as the source is more specific than that, and you're right to point out that the hook didn't say the joystick "sold millions". I'd like to suggest an alternative hook which may hopefully resolve the problem. Prioryman (talk) 21:37, 29 October 2016 (UTC)
 * ALT1: ...that the joystick shipped with the Atari 2600 was described as "the pinnacle of home entertainment controllers in its day"?
 * Fine with me. Holy crap, A MONTH for this one?! Maury Markowitz (talk)


 * Symbol redirect vote 4.svg New reviewer needed. In addition to ALT1, reviewer should check those criteria not looked at in the original review, including neutrality and close paraphrasing. Thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 00:02, 10 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Symbol possible vote.svg New enough, long enough. Hook short enough and sourced (but paragraph 3.3A and 4A isn't). No neutrality problems found, no copyright problems found, no maintenance templates found. QPQ done and image properly licensed. To clarify, I want the first paragraphs in sections 3.3 and 4 sourced before I approve it.-- Laun  chba  ller  16:19, 14 November 2016 (UTC)
 * 3.3 is a subsection introduction, and like the lede, does not require a cite if the body text following is properly cited. In this case the statement is that Atari introduced new joystick designs, which is then followed by two such examples, both cited. I cannot see any uncited paras n 4. Maury Markowitz (talk) 16:06, 27 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Symbol confirmed.svg I didn't know that about paragraph 3.3, and I can't think why I didn't see the reference in paragraph 4. Good to go.-- Laun  chba  ller  16:18, 27 November 2016 (UTC)