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The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by SL93 (talk) 23:38, 21 May 2022 (UTC)

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Brassey's

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  • ... that Brassey's, a prominent name in the publishing of books on military topics, had a divergent history between Britain and the United States? Source: see fn 17 in article - "Dymott moves to Brassey's US" (via Gale)

Converted from a redirect by Wasted Time R (talk). Self-nominated at 09:48, 19 April 2022 (UTC).

  • I'm not sure if I'm going to do a full review of this nomination, so for now I'll be leaving some comments. Firstly, the hook seems really vague: what does "divergent history" mean? If it's meant to be "it's vague on purpose to encourage readers to read it", I don't think this is the best way to word the hook. Secondly, I noticed that the article has a lot of bold, which I think should be avoided. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 11:25, 19 April 2022 (UTC)
How about any of these?
  • ALT0b: ... that Brassey's, a prominent name in the publishing of books on military topics, had a divergent corporate history between Britain and the United States?
  • ALT1: ... that Brassey's, a prominent name in the publishing of books on military topics, eventually underwent separate acquisitions in Britain and in the United States?
  • ALT2: ... that Brassey's, a prominent British name in the publishing of books on military topics, has a history that goes back to 1886?
As for the boldings, that is per MOS:BOLDREDIRECT; each is a target of a redirect and several of them are already linked from existing articles. Wasted Time R (talk) 21:41, 19 April 2022 (UTC)
  • I'm still not sure if the bolding is appropriate here so I'll defer to more knowledgeable editors on the topic. I'll also leave the review to an editor more familiar with the topic. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 03:16, 2 May 2022 (UTC)
  • Bolding looks great – in addition to solving the redirect target issue, it makes a rather complicated corporate history very easy to follow. Article itself looks good – long enough, no copyvios, QPQ is done. So it's really just the hooks that are not quite doing this prestigious military publisher justice. Here are some hooks for consideration by Wasted Time R:
  • ALT3: ... that Brassey's Defence Publishing, acquired by Robert Maxwell in 1980, could trace its history back to 1886?
  • ALT4: ... that Brassey's, "the oldest name in defence publishing" in the UK, branched into sports titles in the US?
  • ALT4a: ... that Brassey's, "the oldest established name in defence publishing" in the UK, branched into sports titles in the U.S:?
  • ALT5: ... that Brassey's own history spans The Naval Annual in the UK to "military blunders" in the US? Note: Could even highlight some titles that are attention-getting; of course would require some corresponding edits to the article. Happy to help if needed. Cielquiparle (talk) 11:40, 6 May 2022 (UTC)
@Cielquiparle: Thanks for doing the review. I think ALT3a is better than ALT3, because it uses the simpler form of the name. ALT4 leaves the word 'established' out of the quote from the article; if this is intentional, it would need an ellipsis. Regarding ALT5, how is Brassey's Book of Military Blunders specific to the US? It covers mistakes throughout history and per this WorldCat listing, was published by Batsford Brassey in the UK before it was published by Brasseys Inc. in the US. Wasted Time R (talk) 12:40, 7 May 2022 (UTC)
  • Passing baton for re-review by someone else. Remaining hooks for now are ALT2, ALT3a, and ALT4a (corrected per feedback). Have deleted other hooks based on feedback from Wasted Time R, plus the earlier ALT hooks that were too generic (i.e., could apply to any number of UK/US international conglomerates or publishers). (Or, there may be more hook ideas out there.) Cielquiparle (talk) 16:51, 7 May 2022 (UTC)
    I am willing, but it will take some time. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:23, 20 May 2022 (UTC)
    Solid article on good sources, no copyvio obvious. Sorry, I am not happy with the hooks yet. I like the "traces its history back to The Naval Annual in 1886?" from ALT3a, but not the sale by a name I don't recognize in the beginning, and I like "that Brassey's, "the oldest established name in defence publishing" in the UK" from ALT4a, but not the sports instead of saying how old. Perhaps remix? Otherwise I'd approve ALT4a as it is. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:34, 20 May 2022 (UTC)
@Gerda Arendt: Thanks for taking this on. Re ALT3a, I'll just note that the name in question is very well known to UK readers, and may also ring a bell for US readers due to recent events surrounding his daughter; and so the use of the name adds to the hookiness for such readers. In any case, is this the remix that you are looking for:
  • ALT6: ... that Brassey's, "the oldest established name in defence publishing" in the UK, traces its history back to The Naval Annual in 1886?
Personally I don't think this is very hooky, but I'm certainly okay with it. At the end of the day I think the DYK promoter will choose the hook they think is best. Wasted Time R (talk) 22:21, 20 May 2022 (UTC)
I was not clear, I think. I said what I liked, not meaning to combine them ;) - As for the Maxwell name, we don't have only UK and U.S.readers but from around the globe, and I believe that we shouldn't rely on them knowing names. But fine if it's what you want. Three are approved, good luck. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:29, 20 May 2022 (UTC)
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