User talk:AJ9/October–November 2012 Archive

Sharon/Victor
Hey, just thought I'd point out to you that Sharon and Victor's marriage has not yet legally ended. On Friday's episode, Sharon told Doris that she was "Mrs. Victor Newman," and she replied: "Only on paper." And now that Sharon is suing Victor, the marriage is not officially over yet. And when it does end, it will have to be listed as "2012, 2012" because they were not married once, but twice, so "2012" is false. Anyway, what are you thinking of Y&R? I'm liking the additions to the opening credits, it's about damn time. I was sad that even Doris thinks Sharon is to blame and that "she didn't raise her better." I really don't know how the character will recover from this, virtually everyone in Genoa City despises her.  Creativity 97  (TALK)  22:10, 29 September 2012 (UTC)
 * They are have been annulled as of the most recent episode. Yes i have seen that. Also, both their marriages were annulled this year so writing 2012, 2012 seems pointless. It verifies that she married him twice in the lead and text, so no need. It's not false, it's just simplified. Their 1-month marriages don't account for much anyway. Even if they were still married, it makes sense writing it as (2012), because 2012– means 2012-present and 2012 is present. End of rant, what I basically mean is either way, it's styled as 2012. Lol. I'm going to add a note to address their being married twice. Yes, I've  been waiting years for the credits to be updated. And I love it. I've literally wanted them to be updated since 08 or even further before. Yes, Doris is a bitch. How has Sharon 'turned out this way'? Sharon was raised fine even tho she was rebellious as a teen and had a baby. When she came to Genoa City she was practically perfect and amazing. It's not Doris' fault, it's MAB's fault. She wanted to make Sharon the whore of Genoa City and most hated character or something? I hate MAB. C97, u really should get twitter so we can discuss storylines there. Oh by the way, Sharon Case is so amazing. She saw a fan video I made for her and said she loves it. Love her!! Twitter is really heating up, u dont wanna miss anything more haha.. Eric Braeden and Michael Muhney had a fight/disagreement, and Joshua Morrow said sorry because Michelle Stafford got angry after he said on The Talk that he believes in his heart Nick and Sharon belong together! I have no respect for Michelle anymore, how unprofessional. Plus everyone is telling JG that Dru needs to come back. Hope he considers it! So sorry c97 for the length of this message! We have so much grounds to cover in light of 10K of Y&R. And Sheila! I hope Sheila is coming back. If the writers are smart, they will bring her back! I heard a rumor Sharon is going to burn down the Newman ranch on October 12, 2012. Apparently a "historic set will be ruined" according to Melody Thomas-Scott, and a life-changing event will happen..i think its true.  —Arre  JLover  02:32, 30 September 2012 (UTC)

LOL, it's okay that your message was long. Michelle really got angry because Joshua said that? That's pathetic. Actors are allowed to have their own opinions. Grow up. I heard the buzz about fans asking JG to have Dru come back. If Sharon does burn down the Newman ranch, it will just be rebuilt and she'll go back to prison. Is JFP going to continue to destroy Sharon or fix her? But again, how will she ever recover from that? Everyone, literally everyone, hates her. That's a bad way to kick off a new era of writing for the show. The sad thing is everybody on set was upset with MAB's firing. From the looks of that surveillance camera footage, the woman who claimed to be Daisy's mother looks like Patty. And she's definitely making additional appearances since she said: "I'm not crazy. I'll show them." But how would they bring Sheila back? By saying the woman who had surgery to look like Phyllis was someone else? I'm not saying Kimberlin Brown shouldn't return, because she's amazing, but JFP should be focusing on rebuilding the damages that MAB made for four years. For example, letting go the actors that portray pointless characters. Darnell Williams needs to go. Sarge has no point now that Jack is walking. Marco Dapper should've left months ago, Carmine is the stupidest character ever. If anything, he should've arrived in the midst of the Kevin/Angelina mishap. I wish we could see more of Catherine Bach as Anita. The actress is terrible but the character has potential to cause havoc in Genoa City.  Creativity 97  (TALK)  16:52, 30 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Yes! I always respect Michelle as an actress even though I hated her character,and now I don't! I know...she honestly needs to grow up. Yes, Victoria Rowell seems ready to come back. She's even working out and encouraging fans a lot to speak w/ the new head writers. She has also admitted that Peter (Jack) doesn't want her back — now I have no respect for him either. He is threatening to leave if she returns...and I don't care! Victoria is far more entertaining than Peter and Jack is getting old and boring, he offers nothing new anymore. JFP says Sharon will have a final "mental breakdown" which will be the worst she has had, and after that, a more evolved Sharon will return to us, and she will find "love" again. I hope it's with Nick or Adam...putting her with another love interest is a WASTE of time (like Sam). Yes, MAB really hated the character. Yes, i love Patty...u really think this crazy stuff is an act? I think i do. A crazy person couldn't have done the things she's done... she's planned herself well in every situation. I know. It's very tough if they will bring Sheila back. Considering, the person shot by Lauren had the stab mark and was definitely Sheila. Kimberlin Brown and Victoria Rowell really will make Y&R good again, they need to come back. I wouldn't care if people like Peter & Michelle (two of the people who threatened to leave) left if they returned. Sarge is boring, so is pointless characters like Sofia. I wish Carmine would have been more of a Villain character! Where is Anita? I haven't seen her in months Lol.  —Arre  JLover  07:02, 1 October 2012 (UTC)


 * Catherine Bach is now making occasional guest appearances last I heard, so I don't know. Even though Jack is boring I feel Y&R needs him, he's sort of important. I don't know how to explain. I hate Carmine, stupid and stupider as the storyline lingers. Despite my animosity for Phyllis, I need her on Y&R. She's my character I "love to hate". I feel they're bringing in a new storyline involving Sarge/Harmony from years back. Should've done that in like March. It would be nice to have Dru back, it would make the Winters interesting. Never got to see Dru. I want Adam with Chelsea for a little while longer. Hopefully JFP will spice up their storyline. After the whole Joshua Morrow admitting his love for Shick ordeal, maybe there's a reunion ahead, despite comments he made in Soaps in Depth in August about "that ship has sailed..."  Creativity 97  (TALK)  02:39, 3 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Really? Well i never see CB. That's weird. In my honest opinion, Jack doesn't bring anything new to the table. Drucilla/Victoria Rowell is just as important; she joined the cast around the same time. She offers humor to a pretty dull city, and like she said, she is "the people" which means she speaks to the audience etc. Really? You didn't? Wow..you really should watch some S/ls of hers. Bringing her back would be amazing; she's the only one who can talk sense into Sharon who is just crazy, and would make the Winters family more interesting. Plus, she's got grandchildren to come back to. Carmine is a pointless character. I love to hate Phyllis. She is such a joke for thinking that her & Nick's relationship is like Nikki & Victor? WTF? Is MAB serious? Sharon/Nick is the next gen. of Niktor. I love the actors but to be 100% honest, both Harmony and Sarge are boring characters and it is nothing to do with their race. In SID he said "for now" the ship has sailed, which is right, but they are ultimately to end up together. Bill Bell's wish is for them to be endgame. Tbh i wonder when the show will end. It's scary/weird to think about it ending, (along with other soaps) because a big part of my life would be over. Also, despite Shick's history, I still have a soft spot for Shadam. They are more Niktor than Shick for me. He's the villain (Victor) who has done all these wrong things and Sharon is(Nikki) the person who keeps going back to him. Idk though.  —Arre  JLover  03:50, 3 October 2012 (UTC)


 * No, I never saw any of Victoria Rowell as Dru. But I watched the cliff scene on Youtube. As you may or may not know, the first time I ever watched Y&R was in June 2010, and then I watched occasionally until that November when I had no more time. I tried to get back into it in February 2011, but again was forced to stop. However, I was able to start watching it full-time in June 2011, a year after I first started watching. Since then, it feels like I've been watching for many years because I've read all the past storylines and relations between the current characters, despite not seeing many old vets who left before I started. Then, in June 2012, I felt the need to start watching another soap, and chose GH. However, I missed a few weeks and didn't bother catching up, and then I watched for three weeks in August. I feel I should've started watching Days instead of GH, but whatever. Now, I only have time for one soap again, and that's Y&R. And I've been meaning to ask you, what American soaps did you watch in the past (meaning ones that were cancelled)?  Creativity 97  (TALK)  22:59, 3 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Oh okay. Dru and Sharon are my all-time fave Y&R characters. Although i was sad, I must say, the cliff scene was amazing, it gave me chills and i think it is good because it leaves a nice possibility for Dru being alive. Ohh yea i remember you told me. You missed out on Y&R when it was good. Since I'd say 2010 it has changed a lot. Even in 2009, i enjoyed it. But 2007 and before, it was amazing (pre-MAB). I have been watching Y&R since 2000, and the change (descend) in storylines and just writing overall is evident to me, (personally imho). I've watched DOOL since like 1998, i was very young and I was home for 2 months after an accident and watched DOOL everyday with my mum. And I followed the storylines since, but at times it's been on and off. I watched B&B in 2002 for a while and it got boring but i started watching in 2005 when Taylor returned from the dead. I watched GH from 2010 to 2011, idk..I just got bored with it. I watched As The World Turns but was never dedicated to it. I used to watch One Life to Live but it got boring too. But, I was still upset and shocked when One Life to Live and All My Children were canceled. I'm so scared for Soaps.:(  —Arre  JLover  05:54, 4 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Also C97, please help me keep an eye on Sharon Newman. People keep trying to add in that she was married to Tucker, removing the note, and the picture was changed to another Pomp promo image. It's like we're lying by saying those Pomp images are of the character, because they are not depicting "Sharon Newman in 2012".  —Arre  JLover  05:59, 4 October 2012 (UTC)

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User:Zac/sandbox/Parker (2013 film)
I know we haven't been more involved in J.Lo's film articles, but I think it's time we start. Since the poster for Parker is now out, I think it's about time to get an article up and running. I've begun a sandbox for it in my userpage. Let's do this! Zac  01:45, 2 October 2012 (UTC)
 * yay this is all so exciting!! I'll try to add some stuff.  —Arre  JLover  03:52, 3 October 2012 (UTC)

Late reply

 * Sorry for the late reply! Been busy. I will keep an eye on Sharon. I saw that new image, and I knew it would get reverted it a matter of hours! Oh okay. I thought you watched AMC? And also, I completely revamped Victoria Newman, I added a ton of sources and new sections. Take a look and let me know your thoughts! I worked really hard.  Creativity 97  (TALK)  15:34, 7 October 2012 (UTC)
 * That's okay. Yup, the Sharon stuff is annoying. I watched AMC and got hooked for a short amount of time...but not really dedicated to it. I liked more to watch old scenes on YouTube, Lol. You've done an excellent job on Victoria. She deserves a good article. But her s/l is too lengthy.  —Arre  JLover  09:14, 8 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Also, I've condensed some of Vic's storyline. I was thinking her writing/portrayal section should be split in half; Tom and Heinle or maybe the way Sharon's is done; splitting into more sections.  —Arre  JLover  10:27, 8 October 2012 (UTC)


 * Thanks for that! Trim, trim, trim. I loosely modeled Victoria's page off of Lily Winters, even though despite that article's vast sources, it's still very messy. I think the set up is fine for now, perhaps in the near future we could consider that. I just wanna see how this works out for a while.  Creativity 97  (TALK)  14:44, 8 October 2012 (UTC)


 * Also, I changed the reference next to "Victor Newman (2012)" in Sharon's infobox from citation to an actual note. So now next to "Victor Newman (2012)" it says [note 1] with the same message as before, with the exception of the addition I made because Sharon signed the annulment papers on today's episode.  Creativity 97  (TALK)  18:35, 8 October 2012 (UTC)


 * Sorry for so many messages, but I had a question. Did a consensus ever state that if a marriage between two characters is deemed invalid then it is not to be listed? Because, now that I think about it, that would sorta make sense. If nothing has been brought up on the subject maybe we can suggest it...?  Creativity 97  (TALK)  00:56, 9 October 2012 (UTC)
 * It's fine. I don't like the use of "Note 1" etc in the info-box, It looks bulky. I just adjusted it a bit; but, it wasn't a citation before, and references don't have to be citations/links. Lily's page is okay. The writing/portrayal section just seems to long on Victoria to be honest. It should be split down. I'm so glad Sharon and Victor's (SECOND) marriage is over, Lmao. Omg the show is getting good. Loving the new writers. We are actually seeing Neil, Lily and Devon! WOW! It will take a while but I can't wait for their stories to be on the front burner. What are you thinking? I love how Tucker gave BON to Victor in order for Sharon to be free...proves he does care. Unlike Victor...Victor has been like a father to her for 20yrs and why can't he get her help instead of being so cold. Then again, he told Nikki once that he wanted her to die :S Also, regarding the invalid marriage, most couples don't know their marriage is invalid, Lol, which is why they got married. I also used the "–" dash because "—" stretched over the the next line and looks awkward. I don't feel the need to use the longer dash. Both represent the present tense.  —Arre  JLover  05:48, 9 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Additionally, I don't think we need a picture of Sarah Aldrich on Victoria's article because she wasn't a notable performer.  —Arre  JLover  05:49, 9 October 2012 (UTC)


 * I agree. The image of Sarah Aldrich is unsourced in addition so it should be removed. Yes I'm loving Y&R right now. Tucker is scum. Period. Like Devon said, "That's your problem. Good people don't have to try." I wish Stephen Nichols was let go, perhaps instead of Genie Francis or Jennifer Landon. Abby exits October 23, I'm sad, but at the same time we need a break from both Abby and Ashley for a while. If Ashley makes her way back, so should Abby. Any news on why she leaves? And for the Victoria's writing and portrayal section I'm brainstorming some more ideas (that also involve splitting) so I'll let you know about that. And for the dash, per a consensus that took place at the beginning of this year, we have to use the long dash for "to present", even though they both represent present. Sorry. That's just the way it is. For the note, if you're still considering taking Sharon to GA, the reviewer will ask you to change it to a note. Just a thought, but it's fine for now I guess. On a completely different note, I was wondering if you'd do a major trimming of Mackenzie Browning's storyline section. It's very long, so you don't have to if you don't want to but I just thought I'd ask because you're so good at it.  Creativity 97  (TALK)  21:16, 9 October 2012 (UTC)


 * I've asked an administrator to semi-protect Sharon's article for a few days. Hope that solves all the image issues and such.  Creativity 97  (TALK)  21:41, 9 October 2012 (UTC)
 * The Sharon images are okay now, thanks. I have an admin friend so it's all good. I've put trying to get Sharon to GA to rest for now. Unless you want to. I'm over Abby tbh...the actress is amazing but the character is annoying and it's time for her to leave..I'm so sad about Genie tho. Per what consensus? big dash doesn't have any difference, just makes things more bulky. I am the one who started using them; before people kept writing "-present". Not too fussed anyway. Umm Sharon's thing is still in a note. For future reference we should just do "a, b, c" instead of "Note 1" "Note 2" etc. I don't think YR wants to cut Tucker. I was only annoyed at him because i don't want him with Sharon. But he is a major player in the business world, which shakes things up...Jack is boring these days, and i love the rivalry forming between Tucker and the Newmans. I wish they let go of Melissa C Egan, to be honest. She is amazing but "Chelsea" doesn't seem good enough of a character for her. And i hate 'Chadam', Lol. I'm glad Jennifer Landon was let go, I hate the character Heather since VB left! By the way if you are planning to expand/change Victoria more, you should add an Under Construction" template. I'll have a look at Mackenzie's page. I'm not too into her character, apart from when she was portrayed by the amazing Ashley Bashioum. Ashley & David Tom are Billy & Mack. They are true love and i miss them! But we've got such a good thing with "Villy". I hope Tom and Bashioum get to work together as Billy and Mac again. And up till last year, I wanted Heather Tom back as Victoria but AH has made it her own and Heather will on B&B for a long time.

By the way, I was also wondering who originated this "(and others)" under casting. It is contradictory to what people look at the info-box for. It's for when they don't wanna read the article/get an overview, and need info in the info-box. I think we need to have a consensus on this. For people like Mackenzie, people know Bashioum in the role more than anybody else, and it doesn't make sense she isn't there. Maybe, the smart way to go (instead of saying "and others" for 4 or more performers, because they could still be notable in the role) would be to only include notable performers who have lasted for longer than a year. Oh, and not include children performers, also. They can just be in casting. For example Sharon; we would remove the other two actresses because they are irrelevant in the role and add (see casting) or (and others). Sorry again for the length. But we need to fix this. This isn't just for Y&R, but for all soaps.  —Arre  JLover  05:35, 10 October 2012 (UTC)
 * P.S. (and others) issue.
 * Also on another sidenote (sorry once again) i was thinking making a CBS Daytime WikiProject which would focus on bettering B&B and Y&R on wikipedia. Or maybe just an individual one for Y&R. It would be nice and a good useful easy place to discuss things and reach consensus on issues.  —Arre  JLover  05:36, 10 October 2012 (UTC)


 * Okay, I agree. The "(and others)" thing sorta bothered me but MF said it was mandatory. But I agree that notable portrayers (either past or present) should be listed, and children shouldn't and just be in casting. And no, I don't really feel like taking Sharon to GA right now. Oh, sorry, you started the dash thing? Never knew that. Whatever, it doesn't really matter like you said because they both represent "to present". And yes, listing Monica Potter and Heidi Mark in Sharon's infobox is pointless, they had very brief stints and Sharon Case is basically her originator. As for the WikiProject idea, if you want to you can, I guess. I'll definitely join if one is created. I'll start the new portrayer infobox movement. And as for Victoria, I'll just be seeing how this works out for now.  Creativity 97  (TALK)  23:10, 10 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Okay, I'll talk to MF about it. We'll have to change this. Yes, I was the person who used to dash instead of -present and stopped using small text on US Soap opera articles..well, myself and MF. I will go ahead with the WikiProject but we will first need consensus.., It'll be good i hope. omg Idk why but I actually find myself rooting for Phyllis in her trial...scary, right?! I find Christine annoying sometimes tbqh.  —Arre  JLover  00:45, 11 October 2012 (UTC)

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Sharon Newman Picture
In my opinion the picture : File:Sharon Case as Sharon.png dosen't show the beauty of Sharon Case. So if I were I would of upload another picture that shows the beauty of Sharon Case. Do you see what I am talking about? And many others agree with me like User:WikipediaFan

--JoseFan12 (talk) 18:36, 15 October 2012 (UTC)JoseFan12
 * No. I'm not trying to be mean but "doesn't show the beauty of Sharon Case" is laughable reasoning. Stop your persistence. Also, User:WikipediaFan is the only person who agrees with you, so no, "many others" don't.  —Arre  JLover  09:20, 16 October 2012 (UTC)


 * Serouisly when I go to see the Sharon Case picture. Iy dosent look that good. Change the picture...it would be great if you did. But I will respect your opinion you don't want to change picture its okay.I leave you alone.I just wanted to improve the Sharon Newman article like you do. I am sorry for me keeping annoying by keep uploding another picture. I hope you can frogive  —JoseFan12   —Preceding undated comment added 11:23, 16 October 2012 (UTC)
 * none of your reasons are valid, I'm very sorry. I'm telling you kindly to please work on spelling and remember to sign your posts with four tildes (~). My reason was: the other image was promotion for her POMP line. Not the character. When a new promo image comes out that is in representation of the character, we'll use that. Yes, Sharon Case is very beautiful but the info-box picture is not for decorative purposes.  —Arre  JLover  03:26, 17 October 2012 (UTC)
 * The picture you have put in for the Sharon Newman article is beautiful and great! Thumbs Up!--SoapFan12 (talk) 19:31, 25 October 2012 (UTC)SoapFan12
 * Okay, thanks. Glad you're finally happy. Ar  re   08:32, 26 October 2012 (UTC)

Invite to discussion
Please join me here >> Talk:Children of The Young and the Restless << to give your two-cents, please!  livelikemusic  my talk page! 23:39, 18 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Sure. Yay! New name approved, mine got approved too.. WOOP Ar  re   01:46, 19 October 2012 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

 * Aww I don't know what to say, thanks sooo much! Ar  re   04:13, 20 October 2012 (UTC)

Hiii!!
Hey!! How you? Sorry for the lack of contact. I take Wiki time with a grain of salt haha. Any juicy disputes lately? OMG Days is amazing right now. B&B is still good but hasn't been excellent for the past month. What's with the new user name? I thought you were a "J Lover"! Lol!! --Alfredo114 (talk) 02:24, 20 October 2012 (UTC)
 * I'm okay..it's fine, we are all busy. I myself am having a lot of free time during the day but later I have lots to do because I am getting married soon. DAYS is okay, it was better a few months ago. It's just the same-old thing, but, I'm soooo excited about the return of Kristen Blake! I can't wait to see everyone's reactions to her. ED is stunning and amazing in the role. B&B is boring and the same old crap for me. All of this year I haven't really enjoyed it much, neither did I like it much last year. I miss the way it was pre–2010. And i want more Taylor scenes. I just changed it, I didn't want to be known as JLover anymore. Ar  re   04:21, 20 October 2012 (UTC)


 * Sounds fun! Congrats. Ugh, I hate Eileen Davidson as an actress. Idk, I've just never like her. I have vague memories of her as Ashley on Y&R in the 80s and I know she pissed me off! I see Kristen's return as pointless. she's coming back after all these years and I don't see it as crucial to the show. But I love everything else about Days right now. I understand, B&B is kinda boring at times but I still love it. I agree! We definitely need some more Taylor scenes. --Alfredo114 (talk) 00:17, 25 October 2012 (UTC)
 * I love Eileen Davidson; I like her better as Kristen than Ashley. It's def not pointless, she is an iconic character and will spice things up. Sure she isn't an integral part of the show but it's awesome to have her back and give J&M more of a storyline. Tbh, right now some Days storylines are annoying and I'm only more excited to watch because of Kristen's return! B&B is a drag! But i still like the visual of it and the actor's performance; storyline-wise, it's been sooo bad lately. Yea! And I'm sick of the fact that they gave Taylor & Ridge's home to Bill & Katie! Ugh. Why can't they just make a new set? Seems so cheap and annoying to me that they would do that! If they were going to give it to someone to live in it should have been someone in the family. I'm tired of Hope/Liam/Steffy..it's stupid and boring! Ar  re   05:20, 25 October 2012 (UTC)

Soaps
Hi Arre - hope you're well. I was wondering if you might know the answer to my question as I haven't gotten any feedback at WP:SOAPS. Is there a list of which shows are/aren't included in the project (maybe List_of_soap_operas)? I ask because I've been cleaning up some of the class ratings and noticed specifically with OC and Twin Peaks the articles vary with inclusion of the soap banner or not. I'd like to clean them up either way to be consistent. Thanks! Kelly Marie 0812 (talk) 16:59, 20 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Hi again - this is now a discussion at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Soap_Operas if you have a minute to leave an opinion. Take care, Kelly Marie 0812 (talk) 02:26, 23 October 2012 (UTC)

Glow by J.Lo
Woah! Great job! Zac (talk &middot; contribs) 21:24, 23 October 2012 (UTC)
 * I've put Glowing into a separate article: Glowing (fragrance). It is it's own release and should have it's own article. It's notable enough; just needs some more expansion here and there, reception, etc. Zac (talk &middot; contribs) 21:36, 23 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks:) Yea i was gonna work on it a little in the sandbox I made, but yea, it should have it's own article cause there is some good info about promo. Plus it's not technically even a flanker of Glow. Ar  re   05:11, 24 October 2012 (UTC)
 * By the way I think that the lead of her main article shouldn't have so much information and should also include points about her major accomplishments (but not too much). Ar  re   05:13, 24 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Zac, the title of the page should be Glowing (perfume). That is how it is generally written on wikipedia in almost every fragrance article. Ar  re   08:31, 24 October 2012 (UTC)
 * I agree, but it's very difficult to do. All the info in it currently summarizes the article perfectly. It's just a little bit longer than Mariah Carey's though, due to Jenny's extensive amount of attention for her personal life. Considering that the infobox says "Fragrance by Jennifer Lopez", and the whole article uses "fragrance", I do not agree. Zac (talk &middot; contribs) 10:39, 24 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Nvm then about Fragrance. Hmm well Mariah hasn't done like 30 films and had so much media attention, so naturally Jen's would be longer. But things could be trimmed a bit like the Idol part. Just say, she joined Idol as judge which exposed her to commercial success blahblah and make it shorter. Idk. Oh and by the way my tix for the second concert in Melbourne are here with me..so excited. Oh and I hope I know what hotel she is staying at so I can camp out and then take a flawless picture of her walking outside a hotel. Lol Ar  re   11:14, 24 October 2012 (UTC)
 * I wanted to start a sandbox for Live and Deseo tonight but i just realized I have to write a 4,000 word essay for Uni and it's due in 10 hours (8 1/2 of which I will be sleeping). Bye,  Ar  re   11:18, 24 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Well, considering that the comeback was deemed one of the best in history, I think it summarizes it perfectly. YAY! Lmfao! You better take a great random pic! Go on something in which we can chat. My free period is first today, so I have some time. Zac (talk &middot; contribs) 11:20, 24 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Aww, okay, talk to you later. Zac (talk &middot; contribs) 11:20, 24 October 2012 (UTC)

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Hey
I was super tired from school today, so I had a five hour nap. I'm here now. Zac (talk &middot; contribs) 02:59, 27 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Oh okay...:) Hopefully you can find time to do it. Hope u're well. Ar  re   03:56, 27 October 2012 (UTC)

Avery's Page
Nice job on Avery's page, I was working on one myself. I have to ask though, did you just take what I had originally and added onto it as your own work? Or?  livelikemusic  my talk page! 17:57, 1 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Not really, I began working on a sandbox and there wasn't really anything on her profile on the 2010s page so i checked to see if you or C97 had sandboxes for her. Hope you don't mind, I took a few sources but that's it. I was just really bored and felt like creating a page for her. Ha. Feel free to do anything you want to it! Also, I reckon that in each character's lead we should address some of their major storylines. How r u? Ar  re   01:02, 2 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Okay. That's fine. It just seemed, to me anyway, that it was verbatim of what I had written for the character. And I'll add anything as I see it, thanks! I do have a photograph that I feel is much better than the one up, though. Mind if I upload? And I've been okay, busy with work! How are you?  livelikemusic  my talk page! 17:40, 4 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Yes, please! I was going to ask you to but noticed you hadn't been online in a while. Glad you're here. I just got the first pic i could find. Ar  re   01:36, 5 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Okay, I am uploading now, didn't want to do it without your permission first!  livelikemusic  my talk page! 23:13, 6 November 2012 (UTC)
 * LOVE the pic! Btw, you don't ever need to ask me to do anything;) we're on the same team! Ar  re   05:11, 7 November 2012 (UTC)
 * I know, but it's the nice thing to do! =)  livelikemusic  my talk page! 19:34, 7 November 2012 (UTC)

WikiProject Jennifer Lopez/Sandbox/The Fosters
Great work Arre! We really need to also focus on working on her other projects as well, not just music. So. Much. Work. xD Zac (talk &middot; contribs) 14:44, 2 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Yes, we do! I would work on her movies but..I am just not motivated, haha. I sort of nearly worked on The Wedding Planner. Ar  re   01:25, 3 November 2012 (UTC)

Still Jennifer Lopez
Not meaning to be bossy, but you should work on this now a bit.  Statυs ( talk ) 05:51, 4 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Yea, I'll start looking for sources and stuff. It's okay Lol. OhmyLopez I can't stop staring at her main pic. Ar  re   05:53, 4 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Good. I've found some good ones for Glowing and will work on it some more. Right? Amazing!  Statυs ( talk ) 06:08, 4 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Cool. By the way, I've found a heap of sources (like a lot) about Jen being a Latin icon and Latin royalty, etc. Do you want me to use them for anything at all? I added one to her image/celebrity status section. Ar  re   06:10, 4 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Add it the fuck up.  Statυs ( talk ) 06:17, 4 November 2012 (UTC)

Avery
Hey, love your Avery page! It's so weird I was just going to ask you about making an article for her with me and then I found it! Good job. I cleaned it up a little. Also, I once found another image of Jessica Collins that I think would be better. If I find it again, may I upload?  Creativity  97  14:51, 4 November 2012 (UTC)
 * LiveLikeMusic said that he was going to upload a picture. Oh, and thanks. I was just really bored. Also, the clean-up was fine, but no need to link everything and there is nothing wrong with having a brief list of her notable storylines in the lead. Ar  re   01:39, 5 November 2012 (UTC)


 * Oh okay. It's fine the way it is now. Also, when you get a chance can you voice your opinion here please? Thanks!  Creativity  97  22:34, 5 November 2012 (UTC)

Sharon's GA
 Creativity  97  22:33, 8 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Woo. It's finally begun! This may take weeks, haha! Judging from the lead only... If you see anymore suggestions the reviewers have stated, could you change them on her article If I'm not online? Thanks! Ar  re   05:39, 9 November 2012 (UTC)


 * I will for sure. I'm just as anxious to get this article to GA as you are.  Creativity  97  04:24, 10 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks! Yes, I am really excited even though it will take a long time and will have lots of mistakes. But when everything is fixed up, it would be great to have it be a GA! It would validate all the effort we've put into it and other soap pages. Ar  re   04:26, 10 November 2012 (UTC)

My Glow
Don't you think it's time for US to GLOW?  Statυs ( talk ) 02:47, 10 November 2012 (UTC)
 * I was wondering..could we just go in order? Glow, Still, Live, Deseo and Love & Glamour?:) By the way I expanded Jenny from the Block a bit. Is it okay? Ar  re   02:56, 10 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Oh I was also gonna as you a favor. If you have time could u have a quick look at the Sharon Newman article I've been working on, and do anything you think needs to be done with all of your additional wiki tools? :D Thanks. Ar  re   03:02, 10 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Of course. I just wanted to get the final Glow perfume back up. I saw... xD Great work, of course. But you know what I'm gonna say... haha! *bossy pants* I'll take a look.  Statυs ( talk ) 03:24, 10 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Yes you are bossy, Lol. Okay. Could you make that Glow a sandbox in the Wikiproject? Or will you work on it? Yea I think I do know what you are gonna say, ha.. Ar  re   03:28, 10 November 2012 (UTC)
 * It's fine for now. You gonna work on LIVE JENNIFER LOPEZ? I could help find some sources. I will be finishing and nominating "I'm Into You" and "Papi" tonight/tomorrow.  Statυs  ( talk ) 03:44, 10 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Yes I've started in my sandbox but no I haven't really started Live yet. Oh cool! Love? era is nearly complete. Do you want me to help with chart performance of Papi? I re-added that today...  Ar  re   03:52, 10 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Hey, I was wondering. Still has some pretty good info. With some fixes and stuff, because it's a short article do you think it could be nominated for a GA? Ar  re   04:08, 10 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Of course. I think we shouldn't do any perfume GA's yet. I think we should get them all done, look through them well, and then nominate them all at once. "Papi" is covered, I got someone else who will do that section. Get LIVEin'.  Statυs ( talk ) 04:40, 10 November 2012 (UTC)
 * I was kinda wanting to do Still and nominate it by myself, u know? Okay. I'm not too motivated to do Live right now. I have another project I'm working on which is non-wiki related. Look at my twitter u will see. Ar  re   05:08, 10 November 2012 (UTC)

Jennifer Lopez Collection
Finally!  Statυs ( talk ) 10:34, 10 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Wow! It looks great! Yay. Ar  re   11:29, 10 November 2012 (UTC)

WikiProject Jennifer Lopez
Redesign!  Statυs ( talk ) 08:24, 11 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Nice! Good werk. Hey sorry to bother u again but can you use your tools to clean up this article: Chloe Lane (if it needs anything). I just spent the last few hrs working on it. Ar  re   08:33, 11 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks! If you've come across any, add them on to WikiProject Jennifer Lopez/Userboxes. On it!  Statυs  ( talk ) 08:35, 11 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Will do. I was going to make another one but didn't ha. What are u up to? Ar  re   08:45, 11 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Was just re-doing the WikiProject, jammed to J.Lo, now almost done of jamming to Como.  Statυs ( talk ) 08:48, 11 November 2012 (UTC)
 * This week I'm obsessed with This Is Me... Then. Hey this is a random question but was One Love a co-nomination? Just wondering..... Ar  re   08:54, 11 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Haha. Yes  Statυs ( talk ) 09:21, 11 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Oh okay :) I was just wondering cauz I was creeping on your userpage and it doesn't say co-nomination with Arre Ar  re   09:24, 11 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Oh, another question, were you ever gonna work on a possible article for Walking on Sunshine? I have a few quotes/sources. Ar  re   09:41, 11 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Yes, and I think you know what I'm gonna saying... We are working era by era. Stop skipping ahead! xD  Statυs ( talk ) 18:42, 11 November 2012 (UTC)

Chloe Lane
I was happy to see you have started improving Chloe's article. I was also happy to the picture of her in glasses and boring hair. That is how I really remember her! Would you be able to add an image of Nancy to her article by any chance? Rain  the 1  10:44, 11 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks! Nice to hear from you Richiie. I was going to make a family section in development about her relationship with Nancy and Craig, and I am still on the look out for sources regarding that. But, when I do make that section I'll add in a Nancy image. I didn't know you watched Days back in the day! Cool! Ar  re   11:27, 11 November 2012 (UTC)
 * It aired for around a year after Sunset Beach finished in the UK. Then Channel 5 dropped it. But I know characters like Chloe, Nancy, Belle, Stefano, John, Bo etc. I also watch past clips randomly in the past and I watch whatever gets put up in a column on AfterElton, but that mostly regards Will. But it was never Sunset Beach lol Rain  the 1  11:52, 11 November 2012 (UTC)
 * That's around the time I started watching as a kid, too. I remember Nancy as the lady with the red hair and Chloe as the Gothic girl, ha. Will is an interesting character, love Sonny & Will, so cute. Wasn't Sunset Beach only running for 2 years? I just realized there was an article for Nancy Wesley, I thought you wanted me to add a Nancy image to Chloe! Haha. Sorry. Yes I'll add an image to Nancy's article Lol my mistake. It's a great article btw. Ar  re   12:13, 11 November 2012 (UTC)

Talkback
There have been new opinions about last appearances and I would like to reach a final consensus.  Creativity  97  15:41, 11 November 2012 (UTC)


 * A major point regarding soap opera info-boxes has been brought up for discussion, so can you please ask everyone else you know in the WikiProject to contribute their opinions? Thanks!  Creativity  97  17:46, 11 November 2012 (UTC)

Some stroopwafels for you!

 * Aw, thanks Hahc21! We've never really talked or anything but I always see your contributions to some JLo stuff especially pics, and you're great!:) What a pleasant thing to see on my talk. Xo Ar  re   05:35, 12 November 2012 (UTC)

Victor
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GA Review
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Dashes and dates
Hey, I was wondering why at Noah Newman, 2012— was changed to just 2012. I really don't understand. You said because 2012 is present, but that makes no sense to me. They joined in 2012 and a dash represents "to present", so I don't see the difference here. And regarding the Ronan issue, I responded on my talk, so once you've read it can you respond here? Thanks,  Creativity  97  00:54, 17 November 2012 (UTC)
 * LiveLikeMusic and I were having a conversation on his talk page about this. Well, it can be changed back for now. We haven't reached an official consensus on the dash thing. Sorry if you're confused. Also, can we just begin merging the Children article? That IP editor is really dragging this out. Ar  re   01:15, 17 November 2012 (UTC)


 * It's okay. I was just getting really confused and it was messing me up ;) In concerns to the Children's page merge, the 2000s page is quite long and most of the children are from that decade so it would make it even longer. But I guess it doesn't matter in the big picture. This doesn't need to be drawn out. I'm short on time, if you want you can begin merging and I'll jump in when I get a chance?  Creativity  97  04:53, 17 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Nah it's fine:) It doesn't matter if the 2000s page is long. It keeps things organized. However, that was the reason I created year pages from the years 2007 onwards because there were so many character, u know? But it doesn't matter. I've already merged them in with List of The Young and the Restless characters (2000s) and List of The Young and the Restless characters (2010s). The children's page has been redirected. Ar  re   04:59, 17 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Also, what do you think of the article for Angelina Veneziano? I published it yesterday. I decided to nominate it for GA considering it's way shorter than Sharon's:) Btw, I tried to reach out to the IP address editor and call a truce on their talk page, but they just removed everything. Honestly, sometimes I lose faith in Wikipedia being a community. Ar  re   05:13, 17 November 2012 (UTC)


 * Wow! Like Angelina's page. It looks good enough for a GA. Also, I saw you used Template:Infobox soap character 2. Now seeing how it looks on her page, I kinda prefer it over the other infobox format. Do you think we could change some of the other Y&R characters to that infobox? That would totally solve the problem regarding removing the "Cause/reason" field. Also thanks for redirecting the children's page. I see what you mean by losing faith in Wikipedia being a community, I've tried to do the same thing a few times and they weren't interested. Annoying, but as a friend once told me, "We all have ups and downs on WP".  Creativity  97  16:13, 17 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks :) I really wanted Sharon to be a good article, but I'm losing hope for that Lol. Yes, it does look good and avoids clutter. Plus, we can re-size pictures which is often difficult on the other one. Yes, I never really liked the "cause/reason" thingy. You're right. At least I know I'm the bigger person for reaching out kindly to them. I have no respect for them whatsoever now. And you're welcome. So glad we finally got rid of it (The children's page). Ar  re   00:10, 18 November 2012 (UTC)

Soap Infobox
Hi Arre - I added some notes to the infobox page, but also started a sandbox to test out some bolder changes to the template itself. Let me know what you think! Haven't done anything with cause/death cause yet since I'm not clear what the consensus was and can't really decide what the solution is. Kelly Marie 0812 (talk) 20:50, 17 November 2012 (UTC)
 * It's okay, but personally I feel that we should be using the second one. Here is an example of an article I tested out with the second template: Angelina Veneziano. It avoids clutter and stuff like that, what do u think? Ar  re   00:12, 18 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Personally there are things I like and don't like about both boxes... I also feel that there is little chance of us getting everyone on board with using box2, at least right now. I'm hoping if we can get consensus on the major issues to update that would be a step in the right direction. It seems so difficult to reach any consensus at wp:soaps though :/ In terms of box2, my concerns are date of birth/death (consensus was to remove age related fields, no?), classification (only because of the crazy edit wars I've dealt with at GH cast page in terms of recurring vs. regular), "half" relatives (is there a single soap character full-blood related to another? lol jk but you get my point), and also I think it is actually more clutter to split out every family member by male/female. I do like splitting out adoptive/step though, I think that could help a lot of clutter. I doubt we could get everyone to agree to completely get rid of cause/cause of death, but something has to change there it's confusing. What do you think of the family qualifier questions I asked at wp:soaps? If you have a sec can you comment there? Kelly Marie 0812 (talk) 00:53, 18 November 2012 (UTC)
 * True, same here. I always thought that there should be a "partner" parameter, u know? If that person has been living with that person or something...or for gay/lesbians. Personally, because it is fiction, I think it's good to include birth/death (SAROS'd version). I don't believe in the notion that "age doesn't exist in fiction". Yes, it is difficult. People have different thoughts on this. Classification is good as well, IMO. Yes, there are edit wards on cast member articles but once they're sorted it's not a big deal and it's a good thing to clarify. It's easier to split up mother/father sister/brother. Some people have to write (brother),(mother),(father), to clarify. Yes, I think adoptive would be a good thing to add. Sure, I'll take a look but I'm sort of busy right now. Ar  re   01:23, 18 November 2012 (UTC)
 * No prob, and no rush! It will be nice to hopefully sort some of this out eventually. I'll keep working on that sandbox and see if I can get it to a place everyone can compromise on. I saw "significant other" used somewhere, can't tell if it's in the current box2, the code on that confuses me. Let me know if you need any help on your GA noms! Kelly Marie 0812 (talk) 01:46, 18 November 2012 (UTC)

Talk:Angelina Veneziano/GA1
Hello. I have began the review of Angelina Veneziano, an article you have nominated for good article status. Cheers!  Statυs ( talk ) 22:32, 17 November 2012 (UTC)

Angelina Veneziano
Was just looking through the history, and I realized that this article can be nominated for DYK. Would you like to do that? <font face="Arial" size="2em"> Statυs ( talk ) 01:16, 18 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Wow, really? Sure! That'd be great. Can you please nominate it? Btw, do you think you'll finish the review today? Ar  re   01:18, 18 November 2012 (UTC)
 * I will take you through how to do it, so you can know how to do it yourself, OK? It looks like the main issues were with the lead only; the body seems perfectly fine. I think so; if you continue being here and fixing the issues, of course. <font face="Arial" size="2em"> Statυs ( talk ) 01:26, 18 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Yes I have nothing else to do Lol:P yea, please tell me cause I don't know how to. Ar  re   01:27, 18 November 2012 (UTC)


 * Simple, really. Here, replace "YOUR ARTICLE TITLE" with "Angelina Veneziano", click "Create nomination", read the instructions, and fill out the fields. Be sure in the "comment" section, say "sandbox-mainspace" to show that it was originally in your sandbox, before being added to the mainspace. After saving the page, add the URL to this section. <font face="Arial" size="2em"> Statυs ( talk ) 01:33, 18 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Filling it out now. What do I do for 'image'? Ar  re   01:37, 18 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Nothing. <font face="Arial" size="2em"> Statυs ( talk ) 01:39, 18 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Idk why, but I honestly don't know what to write for the hook Ar  re   01:44, 18 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Think of something interesting about the character! Maybe about how she went to the city to launch a successful music career! Mention her dad in there somewhere. <font face="Arial" size="2em"> Statυs ( talk ) 01:45, 18 November 2012 (UTC)
 * did it is it okay? Do i copy the template or URL ? 0_o? Ar  re   01:56, 18 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Just submitted the DYK template nom. Are u still online?:\ Ar  re   02:09, 18 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Status is away xD it's okay. You have to transclude the page copying this:  at T:TDYK. Do it at the top of the day you finished expansion of the article [e.g., if you finished expanding the article on November 15, 2012, then add what I wrote to you inside that header xD] — <font color="#333333">ΛΧΣ <font color="#336699">21™  02:11, 18 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Thankyou. Is what I did okay?  Ar  re   02:21, 18 November 2012 (UTC)

Well, did you finish expanding the article on November 15? — <font color="#333333">ΛΧΣ <font color="#336699">21™ 02:30, 18 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Nope but I just fixed that:) Ar  re   02:33, 18 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Haha Okay :P Then, it's done. Now I will review it for you. — <font color="#333333">ΛΧΣ <font color="#336699">21™ 02:42, 18 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks so much! I'm new to this DYK thing :D haha. Ar  re   03:26, 18 November 2012 (UTC)
 * hehe you're very welcome Arre :P I am very used to DYK, like Status. If you ever need something, you can ask him or ask me and [we?] will happily help you. — <font color="#333333">ΛΧΣ <font color="#336699">21™ 03:31, 18 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Yea thanks, I noticed:) Aw you're too kind, I will but I think after this I'll get the hang of it:) Ar  re   03:39, 18 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Hehe XD Well, that's good. Experience is what we all need to know how to do things... After some nominations, you'll see DYk as an easy cake :P — <font color="#333333">ΛΧΣ <font color="#336699">21™ 03:59, 18 November 2012 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

 * Aw thanks so much! I can't believe just day before yesterday I wasn't even gonna do anything to it in my sandbox :). Thanks so much for reviewing it. :D Ar  re   04:42, 18 November 2012 (UTC)
 * It was my pleasure! You are quite silly. Let your sandboxes roam free into the mainspace for all to see! <font face="Arial" size="2em"> Statυs  ( talk ) 04:45, 18 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Lol yea haha. This was yesterday (In Australian time) Lol. Ar  re   04:47, 18 November 2012 (UTC)

Don't Stop the Party (Pitbull song)
Your work on this article can get you a DYK, just so you know. <font face="Arial" size="2em"> Statυs ( talk ) 08:12, 18 November 2012 (UTC)
 * really? Does it fit the criteria needed? Or do I have to do more? Wait, is it DYK expanded by 5x ? Ar  re   08:15, 18 November 2012 (UTC)
 * It was originally 99 words, and now it has passed 520, so yes, it has been 5x expanded. Limit of characters for a DYK is 1500, the article has 3055. <font face="Arial" size="2em"> Statυs ( talk ) 08:18, 18 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Okay. Should I nominate it now or? ^_^ Ar  re   08:21, 18 November 2012 (UTC)
 * As long as it's within 5 days of now. Maybe expand it a bit more. <font face="Arial" size="2em"> Statυs ( talk ) 08:23, 18 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Okay, I'll nominate it 2moro. Thanks for telling me :) Ar  re   08:26, 18 November 2012 (UTC)

Dayzee Leigh
Could almost be ready for GA status... <font face="Arial" size="2em"> Statυs ( talk ) 09:22, 18 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Aha, really?! I'm working on it right now. I was just improving it. You think I should nominate it? Ar  re   09:26, 18 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Not until you're done, of course, but it's shaping up well. The infobox really needs an overhaul and some bigger guidelines. I've seen looking around seeing VERY messy infoboxes. <font face="Arial" size="2em"> Statυs ( talk ) 09:30, 18 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Yes it does! soap info-boxes are always annoying. I think I'll be done Dayzee by 2moro. Ar  re   09:36, 18 November 2012 (UTC)
 * I would love to move it along, but from what I can see, certain editors have been giving a headache over anything involving change. Relatives and cousins sections should be removed. Siblings, children, parents, grandparents and spouses are enough. And gender? Really? xD Some of the fields make me laugh. <font face="Arial" size="2em"> Statυs ( talk ) 09:39, 18 November 2012 (UTC)
 * If I'm correct, she is credited as Dayzee Leigh Forrester in the opening credits, so should the article not reflect this? <font face="Arial" size="2em"> Statυs ( talk ) 09:47, 18 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Exactly. I know..some people think things shouldn't change. Gender, romances, cousins, cause of departure (IMO) etc should all be removed. So sick of clutter and the info-boxes being So damn long. I mean there are some characters (Erica Kane) who have been involved with every damn person on the show. Yes, I'll change the name. Ar  re   09:48, 18 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Just look at the Relationships field on Marcus Forrester! Crazy! <font face="Arial" size="2em"> Statυs ( talk ) 09:53, 18 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Ikr! I try to remove "Relatives" and "Romances" as much as I can as well as condensing a list of detailed jobs to just "Businessman/woman" stuff like that. Ar  re   09:54, 18 November 2012 (UTC)
 * The infobox really needs to work more like a normal person infobox would. <font face="Arial" size="2em"> Statυs ( talk ) 09:58, 18 November 2012 (UTC)
 * I partly disagree with that because it is fiction, but it does need to not have so many fields for people to add so much clutter. It's just stupid. It just needs to be short and sum up things. I mean there are heaps of articles which infoboxes are more than the actual text. Ar  re   10:00, 18 November 2012 (UTC)
 * How can you disagree? How those infoboxes work is with necesscary information, not every little bit of information. xD Having former occupations in the infobox, also, is -_-'. <font face="Arial" size="2em"> Statυs ( talk ) 10:02, 18 November 2012 (UTC)
 * I just disagree with smaller things like (m.) and it shouldn't say what year their children are born. Yes, occupations is the most annoying thing. Ar  re   10:04, 18 November 2012 (UTC)
 * How so? "m" means the year someone got married... xD If they are no longer married, a duration is used. I think born should be used unless they have their own article. You wouldn't go putting the years of Eric's children in the infobox. <font face="Arial" size="2em"> Statυs ( talk ) 10:09, 18 November 2012 (UTC)
 * It just doesn't need to be formatted that way. Well, you're right about that (born). I'm trying to introduce Template:Infobox soap character 2 into US soaps. They are used on British/Australian soap articles, which are at a much higher standard. It's generally better and it's easier to re-size pics. Ar  re   10:13, 18 November 2012 (UTC)
 * It's the correct way though. :L <font face="Arial" size="2em"> Statυs ( talk ) 10:21, 18 November 2012 (UTC)
 * I've never seen it done that way, even on featured soap articles. Btw this is a random question, but why do u always split the references into 3 columns? haha:D Ar  re   10:24, 18 November 2012 (UTC)
 * That's not really a good argument, as we know how soap article infoboxes usually look. ;) 30em does not split it into two columns. 30em changes the width of the references depending on the viewers screen size. So if someone has a large screen, they will see it in either 3 or 4 columns. But if they have a small one, they could see it in either 1 or 2. I advise you to always do the same. <font face="Arial" size="2em"> Statυs ( talk ) 10:31, 18 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Oh, i get it, Lol! thanks for explaining. Ar  re   10:35, 18 November 2012 (UTC)

Can you do me a favor?
Can you not over-ride my images with other ones? It's a wicked pet-peeve of mine. I know it seems petty, just wicked pet peeve cause now it won't be me who's the last known uploader.  livelikemusic  my talk page! 17:35, 18 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Oh... I'm so sorry I didn't know you would be annoyed. I just uploaded a new Tayor image because I was re-vamping the article and the pic wasn't that good. I uploaded one that's lower quality and looks better too. Sorry if you're annoyed:( Ar  re   02:08, 19 November 2012 (UTC)

Characters with initials in name
Hi Arre - wondering what your opinion is in situations when character names are initials, in regards to space or no space. I'm really only versed in GH, and am having a discussion here: Talk:A. J. Quartermaine, but there aren't many other GH characters to compare. I came across J.T. Hellstrom from Y&R, who looks like a similar situation... Also C.J. Garrison (do you watch B&B?) Anyway, if you have a sec and know anything about these other characters or just have an opinion, feel free to weigh in! Take care! Kelly Marie 0812 (talk) 02:52, 19 November 2012 (UTC)
 * J. T. Hellstrom is the correct format for such names. Cheers, <font face="Arial" size="2em"> Statυs ( talk ) 03:05, 19 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks for weighing in! I'm still confused... but left comments/questions at the discussion to keep Arre's page out of it :) Thanks to both of you! Kelly Marie 0812 (talk) 03:33, 19 November 2012 (UTC)
 * I'm confused too. The spaces are weird, but people are saying it's the correct form. I'm not sure. Sorry I couldn't be of any help. Ar  re   03:34, 19 November 2012 (UTC)
 * No prob, just wanted to check in, in case you knew anything about those other characters that might clarify. I hate the space but as long as something gets decided so I can clean up the prose on the million GH articles that spell his name 5 different ways, I'll be happy, ha. Take care! Kelly Marie 0812 (talk) 03:37, 19 November 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Angelina Veneziano
The DYK project (nominate) 16:04, 19 November 2012 (UTC)

Vandalism lookout
Hey, I just wanted to bring to your attention that a user completely blanked the Jack Abbott article saying it was a non-notable character article with no third party sources. I reverted it immediately. Can you help mee keep a lookout for any more happenings like this? Thanks. On a completely different note, have you seen the Nov. 19 episode of Y&R? Paul and Nina were still technically "dating" all this time? I'm so confused!  Creativity  97  21:43, 19 November 2012 (UTC)


 * Also, I know you mentioned taking Ronan to GA, but what would you say to developing Jill Foster Abbott or Katherine Chancellor? I'm thinking of these two because they're the show's longest running characters.  Creativity  97  21:54, 19 November 2012 (UTC)
 * I could, but it would be a lot of ground to cover. It would be easier getting shorter articles done first, u know? As for Jack, User:Nk3play2 is developing a better version in their sandbox. Maybe we should wait and see? That person was wrong about him being non-notable, he is very notable. But they're right. It's a mess without any third party sources. Ar  re   01:24, 20 November 2012 (UTC)


 * Oh, that's good to hear. I was really confused when Jack's page was redirected to the List of characters.  Creativity  97  02:54, 20 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Yea. I'll bring it back now. Ar  re   04:06, 20 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Can you please help me condense Jack's sl? I'm doing 2010s. Can you do another section? I need help. Ar  re   04:11, 20 November 2012 (UTC)

Re: Jack Abbott
I'd be willing to do so if I could get some help and input on the article. When I start an article, I keep it in the sandbox until it is complete (or what I think is complete) for fear of it getting deleted or redirected. I won't be getting back to the article today, but if you want, you can take what I've already started in the sandbox and put it in the article space, tag it as an article under construction, and even add to the information already there. If we're gonna do it, I'd rather it be quick with a lot of input from other users. By the way, you forgot to sign your post on my talk page.--Nk3play2 my buzz 01:42, 20 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Would it be okay if i just copy the casting section? Because we need a few sources. Ar  re   04:06, 20 November 2012 (UTC)

WP:42 and WP:BURDEN
Hello, with this edit [Jack Abbott (The Young and the Restless)] you restored a bunch of unsourced content with a claim that the subject is notable. Per policy, WP:BURDEN YOU as the person adding or restoring content must be able to back your claim by presenting appropriate reliable sources for the content that you add or restore to an article. Please begin providing reliable third party sources that are required to meet Wikipedia's definition of "notable" because simply your fiat claim in an edit summary is not one of the factors that establishes notability. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom  04:13, 20 November 2012 (UTC)
 * I see that you have begun to add sources, Thank you. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom  04:20, 20 November 2012 (UTC)
 * I'm working on the page right now, so no need for you to tell me all of this. Ar  re   04:22, 20 November 2012 (UTC)

Brand New Me
I'll upload a sample for you later; and remember... DYK. <font face="Arial" size="2em"> Statυs ( talk ) 14:19, 20 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Ooops. OMG I never saw this until I came to congratulate Arre for the great work on the article, I will credit you Status. — Tomíca (T2ME) 16:25, 20 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Thankyou Zac I just saw this Lol. Thanks Tomica... Ar  re   21:29, 20 November 2012 (UTC)

Re: Characters who've appeared on more then one soap!
I saw your example of the Amber Moore article, and I agree, but my concern is that the series parameter can get a bit cluttered, when it comes a character like Angie Hubbard, or Skye Chandler. I am proposing that we just keep the series from which the character originated, for Skye it would be All My Children, in that series parameter, and have the soaps that the character has also appeared on, that aren't "spin-offs" of the original show, in a completely separate parameter. And I totally agree on your point about the durations/appearances thing; users tend to do that to differentiate between a character's tenure on separate shows; the new parameter I am proposing would allow for the original series to be in the series parameter, and the series that a character has crossed over to (along with the durations) could be featured in this separate parameter as well.--Nk3play2 my buzz 22:24, 20 November 2012 (UTC)
 * True, I agree; we can do that. Exactly! Like i said a character is one character and their duration should reflect their appearances on any time of soap. Ar  re   22:27, 20 November 2012 (UTC)

Apologies
I will get round to carry on the GA review. However, I am literally doing a PEER review so it will take a while. Having experience at FA from Poppy Meadow, I know how to get it there, so we could aim for that as well? — M.Mario  (T/C) 22:40, 20 November 2012 (UTC)
 * It's fine.. It would be great if you could tell me a couple of points. What do u mean aim for that? But thankyou for telling me this. Ar  re   22:45, 20 November 2012 (UTC)
 * The article is great, however I think once it gets GA, we should head for FA. Have a read through Poppy, the sections look neat, are simple, and are easy to read. Im a bit worried about the image of Victor and Sharon... — M.Mario  (T/C) 22:47, 20 November 2012 (UTC)
 * True, that would be amazing. I've looked at Poppy, it's great. It's hard because Sharon has been on the show for 18yrs, so It's difficult to condense things. I was considering scrapping the individual sections of her relationships, condensing them and making a simple "Relationships" section..but it wouldn't really work well. Aha, I was thinking about removing that image and replacing it with an image of Eric Braeden from commons. Ar  re   23:02, 20 November 2012 (UTC)

Katherine/Jack
Hi! In concerns to Katherine I've responded on my talk page. And about Jack's storyline, I'm extremely slow at condensing and I tend to leave intricate details sometimes. I can try? Also, I expanded Katherine's lead and added some things to casting, and next we will need to trim her storyline section as well.  Creativity  97  23:32, 20 November 2012 (UTC)

User:Arre 9/sandbox/Not Even the King
Excuse me for being bold, but I have moved Not Even the King into the mainspace for you. It's ready. <font face="Arial" size="2em"> Statυs ( talk ) 16:05, 21 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Oh okay..thanks for moving it instead of creating a new page so I still created it Lol :) Ar  re   02:17, 22 November 2012 (UTC)

I failed
Made a bad prediction, Lotus debuted at number 7 with 73k :$ :)! You were right! ;) — Tomíca (T2ME) 00:28, 22 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Yea haha that's what the tracking sales thingy said. 73k isn't really that good! Even JLo did more than that. Ar  re   02:18, 22 November 2012 (UTC)
 * It's awful, having the fact what kind of first week of sales Xtina had. I feel bad for her, btw I have responded on my talk regarding the sample. There is the DYK for "Not Even the King" too, hope you like it.:) — Tomíca (T2ME) 09:09, 22 November 2012 (UTC)

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Lopez Family Foundation
Needs to be 13500 characters (5425 words) for DYK. Currently sits at 6592 characters (1085 words). <font face="Arial" size="2em"> Statυs ( talk ) 11:59, 23 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Ah okay, thanks so much! Have a productive road trip. Ar  re   12:07, 23 November 2012 (UTC)

Taylor Hayes
Hi, I agree that Taylor was never legally married to Omar, but your other revisions are incorrect. Taylor was married to Ridge from 1992 to 95. Soapcentral: Ridge Forrester Sr. (Married: 1992; divorced: 1995). In 1997 Ridge proposed to Taylor, so they weren't married. In 2009 they planned to wed, but Brooke stopped the wedding by riding in on her horse and Taylor cancelled the wedding (not legalized). I'm sorry, but my English isn't very well.Evans444 (talk) 20:44, 23 November 2012 (UTC)
 * They were officially divorced in 97 because remember she came back from the dead? Soap central isn't always accurate. They say some people are still married or some have left the show when they are still on. They are always inaccurate. Actually, he the wedding was legalized whether you think so or not. YouTube? Seriously? I've seen those scenes. They were legally married. Ar  re   01:37, 24 November 2012 (UTC)

OK. I stop editing. I know that I'm correct, but it isn't really important. Taylor returned from death in 1995, Ridge wanted to stay Brooke. In 2009 Taylor and Ridge reneved the vows but did they sign any marriage license? I have great idea. I think Cathy from the bold and the beautiful official site knows the correct answer. I have sent message to her. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Evans444 (talk • contribs) 19:25, 24 November 2012 (UTC)
 * They didn't renew vows, they got married in 2009. Do you remember when Ridge was in jail? Nvm. The divorced was finalized in 1997 when he went to be with Brooke for the 'sake of the kids', but Taylor got pregnant the following year and had a baby, so he left Brooke for her and they go remarried. Don't u remember?? Plus, she was never legally married to Omar! In-fact Dr. Taylor Hayes was never even invalidly married to him. She was under a different identity. Ar  re   01:57, 25 November 2012 (UTC)

Edit wars make my head spin
Do you consider godchildren notable for "other relatives"? I'm going crazy with an IP over at Emily Quartermaine. I've warned them but they keep reverting and never use edit summaries. What would you do?? Kelly Marie 0812 (talk) 22:58, 23 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Godchildren are not relatives! They aren't related. Simple as that! How annoying. Ar  re   01:37, 24 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Okay, thanks I needed to make sure I wasn't crazy ha! That IP gives me trouble every so often, especially with the name of a different character that's been married a few times. I didn't realize until recently that the infobox guidelines say to use the commonname/article name, not the current married name. Do the soap articles you work on do that? Most of GH infoboxes are full of piped links to whatever the current married name is. Kelly Marie 0812 (talk) 03:10, 24 November 2012 (UTC)
 * PS I just saw your revert @ Emily - thanks for jumping in. The whole 3 revert thing confuses me. Kelly Marie 0812 (talk) 03:12, 24 November 2012 (UTC)
 * I loved Emily, i miss Natalia. Oh...I'm not too sure about that. I've never really crossed situations like that. But i think, what the character is credited as in the closing/opening credits is what should be used for the info-box. But their common-name should be the article's title. Ar  re   04:29, 24 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Yeah, where it's been getting messy/edit warish is Carly Corinthos. Bensen being maiden name, Corinthos being the common name, then married again and taking last name Jacks (but going by Carly Corinthos Jacks sometimes), and recently divorced from Jacks (but still using the name so far) so you can imagine the number of different changes/opinions. The character article itself is one thing but edit wars in the infobox concerning names of other characters is just too much. And yes, Emily was great and Guza was an idiot for killing her instead of writing her off. Her return as bad girl Rebecca was just not the same! Kelly Marie 0812 (talk) 04:39, 24 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Hey - the image resize at Emily's page - was that just your preference or is there a standard size it needs to be? Reverted again. Kelly Marie 0812 (talk) 03:50, 25 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Aha - nvm found it. In infobox guidelines clear as day, 200px. Kelly Marie 0812 (talk) 03:54, 25 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Yea... It's not my personal preference but I do think it's better. Anywhere from 200px-220px-240px is best. Ar  re   03:59, 25 November 2012 (UTC)

Never ending infobox
Any ideas on how we get this to a close? I'm tempted to suggest we keep the "relationships" title of the bottom section, and keep no "character" on the top title bar, and even keep "other relatives" just for the sake of being able to get the other changes made and start moving forward. The only outstanding issue would be romances then. Personally I think there have been more "oppose" votes (both in quantity and quality) but I'm obviously biased. Do you know anyone that could come and read that section and as a third party decide if consensus has been reached? Kelly Marie 0812 (talk) 21:21, 24 November 2012 (UTC)
 * I've left a request at Administrators%27_noticeboard/Requests_for_closure for someone to come take a look at the romances section and unbiasedly decide if consensus has been reached yet. Let me know what you think about foregoing the other changes for now (relationships --> family, adding "character", removing other relatives). I do agree with you on those but I think we're losing steam on people inputting opinons and the edit wars on infoboxes of the articles I watch is driving me crazy, I just want to move forward! Kelly Marie 0812 (talk) 22:39, 24 November 2012 (UTC)
 * "Romances" - 6 people voted remove or strong remove and 4 voted keep. It should be removed obv. Consensus has been reached I don't see why we should drag this out. You know I'm completely against 'other relatives'. What do you mean keep 'relationships'? With the removal of the 'Romances' field, it's Family. Those changes you made are spot on IMO and I think your sandbox template is ready to use with a few more opinions on the overall info-box. I also like those tests you did in case of cross-overs. Ar  re   01:44, 25 November 2012 (UTC)
 * I totally agree with you - I just feel like every time we are almost done someone starts nitpicking and "strongly" opposes a word change. I'd rather get the new one going than keep discussing whether "character" should be added or not, you know? So I figured leave those the way they are with box1, only for the sake of moving forward, but I do support your suggestions if you think we can get people on board... idk I'm just annoyed this is turning into such a big deal. Do you think we should "close" the romances section and remove the request for closure? I agree with Family but that section is 50/50. And no one responded to "other relatives" section. And then Caringtype in the next section strongly opposes adding "character". Since the template is page protected we're going to have to request for the edits to be made, so I'm not sure how much consensus we need to show? AniMate told me we could make it "infobox 3" or similar... but that way I just see edit wars upon edit wars between the three boxes. What do you think we should do next? Kelly Marie 0812 (talk) 03:49, 25 November 2012 (UTC)
 * "Character" doesn't detract anything, so it's stupid if someone opposes to that. It just enforces the fictional thing. Wait, I'll have a look. Ar  re   03:53, 25 November 2012 (UTC)
 * I agree with AniMate, a third one should be created and slowly introduced instead of altering any of the existing which will make a huge difference and could cause an uproar.:\ Ar  re   04:03, 25 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Hmm. I just don't see how there isn't going to be crazy edit wars switching back and forth between all three... especially with the removal of IP-loved parameters like romances and other relatives. Not sure how the articles you watch have been recently, but the GH ones I watch have been a mess... once box2 was tested on a couple, another editor started putting it on a ton of them, and just ignored me when I asked them to please hold off for a bit since at that point it was pretty clear we were going to use a version in between. Then a different editor started reverting back to box1 with huge all caps DONT CHANGE THIS TEMPLATE notes practically in every parameter. IMO the way to enforce removal of the info is to change box1... I understand what you're saying though, a bunch of people are probably not commenting and then will complain and get it reverted. If we're going to make box3 I say we move/create it now, or soon, less reason to wait for every single word to get consensus. What do you think we should do next? Kelly Marie 0812 (talk) 04:17, 25 November 2012 (UTC)
 * True, GH have been a mess. I haven't been involved in them a lot. B&B, Days of our Lives and Y&R have all been smooth. Kelly, that isn't unusual. When a change occurs in Wikipedia people will always be wanting to revert it, but we are changing it for the better and must compromise, which is what we have been doing at WP:Soaps. You make a really good point, though. It would make a lot of sense changing box1. Tbh, i still like using box2 because it's what AUS& UK soaps use and it matches that format. Also, myself and other Y&R editors have really gotten use to working with box2 and it's been an extremely smooth transition. I would personally like to keep that info-box 2 for Y&R... but maybe for GH where it's difficult and stuff like that, the changed Ibox 1 can be used. Ar  re   04:22, 25 November 2012 (UTC)
 * I've been leaving most the GH pages alone, not feeling like getting into it and knowing the new box was coming. But I think I had higher hopes for a final consensus infobox to use and be able to reference the consensus when implementing it. IMHO we should use this discussion to make one combined box we all use... but that will never happen. The changes we're discussing are relevant to both types of soaps, and the couple UK editors who have commented have agreed on the changes. I think it's confusing for different soaps to use different boxes but I'm trailing off into a topic bigger than is manageable right now. Back to the new box 3 and/or updated box 1, I really don't know what to do. :( Or how to get final consensus. Kelly Marie 0812 (talk) 04:34, 25 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Exactly! At this stage I try not to focus on the info-box and more on the text. It's like, US Soaps have enough to work on. We only have 2 GA's as a whole. Only a couple of editors from those soaps have commented. We can't just change everything many would be unhappy. That's why I think it's good (for now) to create a third info-box. Creativity97 and I really thought that integrating Info-box 2 into US Soaps would be good to neutralize things with UK/Australia and it was coming along good. I hope my insight as been okay for you and others, and I haven't been too confusing you. These are reasons I think we should stick with Ibox 2: 1) We've already started integrating them and it would be even more confusing to change again. 2) Takes away 'romances', which is great. 3) it makes every soap the same on Wikipedia. I doubt UK or AUS soaps would change just because a few editors (mostly from US soaps) want a change. Idk..that's just I personally feel. But I'll roll with whatever consensus is reached. We're sort of moving backwards over and over again at the discussions at WP:Soaps. People just don't get that head writers aren't automatically credited as creators. And it's unfair for something we know to be right to meet a dismissal because majority rules. It's a difficult knot. Ar  re   04:50, 25 November 2012 (UTC)

My main problem with box2 is date of birth/death, and I know you have the opposite opinion, but I really feel they go against WP fictional policies and I've rarely, if ever, seen them used in a beneficial way on any of the articles I've been involved with. Same as my comment over there, I think SORAS date blurs fact and fiction, being in the same box as actor durations, etc, and on-screen conflicts with current age of a SORAS'd character. And oooohhhhh the edit wars. And crazy reasoning people come up with to "prove" the date. I also really don't like "half", which was pretty unanimous, or male/female splits. Rain agreed with all those removals from box1, which was why I hoped a combined box could happen, but that would need a whole new convo and prob not going to happen. I do think another change is confusing, but honestly that's why I wish it had been discussed before testing in so many articles. GH is so unstable already and the edit wars really get to me sometimes. I wish all soap characters could be semi page protected. Literally the way I started editing here was one night looking at a character article about something, and seeing an entire fan fiction family mentioned on the article, and going "WTF how do I edit this thing and get that off of here." haha. Anyway, I really thought consensus at wp:soaps was best and would help implement the changes and revert reverts, but now I really don't know what to suggest. Kelly Marie 0812 (talk) 05:11, 25 November 2012 (UTC)
 * But you don't have to use birth/date. It's not too much of a problem. On Y&R articles which always source information about age. It's good to add to the character. I am not a big fan of splitting female/male but it is very organized. Ibox 2 is way better than the standard one, IMO, and still is. Haha Lol! We can't rush things. Don't be frustrated, something will be worked out. Patience is key, Lol. I've been working on an article for a year and it's been nominated for a GA and it is a candidate now..it's talking long but I'm being patient. Consensus at WP:Soaps is not always easy especially if its for changing/altering something. Personally, I feel like I have no more to give to the discussions which aren't going anywhere atm. Try creating a third template & introducing it for now with information from the consensus reached one most aspects of info-boxes. I love the way things are done on UK soap articles... emphasis is put on the actual body of text and not the info-box. I also like the way they have screencap pics for every character which fits guidelines and avoids edit wars over photos, u know? I wish US soap editors could be like that (more focused on what's important):p So, I if I were you I wouldn't change the info-box 1. Ar  re   05:35, 25 November 2012 (UTC)
 * I guess I'm just discouraged, I thought/felt there was more of a guideline than everyone just using the box they feel like. I can delete birth/death all I want, IPs and other editors will just add it back. It was in a lot of articles in the code but didn't show up because the template didn't support it. That wp:tv convo I linked shows how they decided to change the template to remove it or else there would be no way to enforce it. I don't see the point of creating a third box if UK editors and half of US soap editors aren't going to use it. Even changing box1 might be difficult, now that box2 was added to a few characters and ips went crazy adding it to a ton of characters. Seeing this result makes me realize the entire conversation really might have been pointless. Kelly Marie 0812 (talk) 05:54, 25 November 2012 (UTC)

Re: Brittany Hodges
 Creativity  97  22:46, 24 November 2012 (UTC)

Ronan
Hey, just clarifying what I did on Ronan Malloy. I was just trying to make things more precise, because it seemed like it was too cluttered. For example, it says: "Branson was to again leave the The Young and the Restless, departing on February 7, 2012. In May 2012, it was announced that Branson would be returning as Ronan on June 26, 2012. In November 2012...." I feel it's all too slanted towards recent events and I was just trying to put it into a more historical perspective. But I guess it's okay.  Creativity  97  15:06, 26 November 2012 (UTC)
 * I don't understand what you mean? Maybe try re-wording it... Ar  re   01:15, 27 November 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Brand New Me (song)
The DYK project (nominate) 16:02, 26 November 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Don't Stop the Party (Pitbull song)
The DYK project (nominate) 00:02, 27 November 2012 (UTC)

Kylie Tyndall (Steffy Forrester)
Arre 9, I don't understand why you took off the image of Kylie Tyndall as Steffy , the one that I've uploaded? Yes, the image is needed if the readers want to know the other people who protrayed Steffy. I think it's needed and important. Well I might as well accept your choice because you're not going to change you mind.--  User: SoapFan12  11:19, 27 November 2012 (UTC)   User: SoapFan12
 * Her portrayal of the character holds almost no notability. She lacked storyline therefore lacked notability. Plus, it was very bulky and we try to use small trimmed images for other actors. Ar  re   11:22, 27 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Ok. I understand. --  User: SoapFan12  19:36, 27 November 2012 (UTC)   User: SoapFan12

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DYK for Not Even the King
Graeme Bartlett (talk) 16:03, 27 November 2012 (UTC)

Shick image
Hi Arre. I just wanted to mention to you that it is my opinion that the Shick image you uploaded isn't really appropriate for Sharon and Nick's articles or their supercouple pages. I don't mean to offend you in any way, but I feel maybe the image of their wedding or the previous one would be better? Besides, you can really make out their faces either and previous revisions would better represent the couple. Again, please don't take this in any way offensive or mean, I just wanted to voice my opinion.  Creativity  97  23:54, 28 November 2012 (UTC)
 * You're right, i forgot about the Shick article. I'll upload separate one for that. It is appropriate if you see a section in Sharon's article; it talks about their highly anticipated 'reunion' and gained the show 447,000 viewers. It's not really intended to show their faces, I mean, they have their own non-free images for that. It is intended to portray and event. Ar  re   01:15, 29 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Oh, okay. I understand. Thanks for that! BTW, when will you be temporarily retiring?  Creativity  97  01:47, 29 November 2012 (UTC)
 * December 13, because I'm moving a few days after I attend the J.Lo concerts. What are u thinking of Y&R lately? I'm not happy with the changes. Ar  re   01:55, 29 November 2012 (UTC)


 * Y&R is kinda boring right now, but I know it'll pick up. The thing I don't like is that Genevieve was the only character to receive a proper exit. Harmony had been off-screen for weeks and when she reappeared, she only said goodbye to Neil onscreen, not Devon or anyone else. There was just a brief mention afterward. Abby completely just dropped off canvas, and just the other day Kyle said she was in New York with the "East coast Abbotts". Heather basically dropped off canvas too, she left town with Christine and when Christine came back, she just briefly mentions where Heather is at. So, the way I see it, JG is probably just trying to phase out MAB's so-called mistakes. In a way, that's good, but c'mon, some storylines need proper closure. I liked the way they wrote off Gen though. The show just needs a little boost of energy at the moment. I'm sure it'll pick up, or at least I hope.  Creativity  97  21:22, 29 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Yes it is soo boring! True, I don't like how Abby was written out. IMO Genevieve should still be there. I don't like the new restaurant...it's so dark and ugly! Another thing I'm annoyed about is the whole Summer thing. This storyline is so boring! I'm fed up with Navery too. I feel like all I see it Nick/Avery/Phyllis/Summer, and it's hella annoying. Ar  re   22:12, 29 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Also, I'm annoyed at the new regime. They changed things WAY too fast. I feel between now and November last year, 4-5 years have past. I HATE it. They changed some iconic sets (they re-arranged the whole Chancellor mansion, burned down the Newman ranch and Glowarm and replaced it with some dark annoying place, etc) and I'm not happy at all. Having watched the show for 13 years, I've never felt such a high amount of change. Ar  re   03:10, 30 November 2012 (UTC)

Hello
I was wondering if we could work together on editing the "Steffy Forrester" page once the security I requested is removed. We keep removing each other's edits but the page still has some in-discrepancies. I just want it to be correct and not show any bias from any side. Thanks :) ~*KG*~ (talk) 22:21, 13 December 2012 (UTC)

Happy December!

 * Aw thanks so much Zach! :D Happy December to u too *eats Brownie*YUM Ar  re   02:48, 1 December 2012 (UTC)

RE:
That is good news. I would like to try and watch more of it soon. I keep reading about the show and I'm being lured in. Where can I find up to date full episodes? Rain  the 1  21:22, 4 December 2012 (UTC)
 * The only place I watch it is YouTube or e-mailed by a friend, but usually YouTube. Unlike other shows it never gets taken off for copyright for some reason... I'm very excited for Chloe and Nancy to come back! Ar  re   02:29, 5 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Did you raise the issue at the GAN talk page, someone might want to review it there. Rain  the 1  21:48, 9 December 2012 (UTC)

Retirement
Hey, just wondering, how long are you planning to retire? Your presence around here is greatly appreciated!!  Creativity  97  21:46, 4 December 2012 (UTC)
 * At this point I'm not sure, I have to get a new laptop. I'll definitely let you know, :) Ar  re   02:29, 5 December 2012 (UTC)

A pie for you!

 * Aw thanks Cake:p Lol. You're amazing! I don't wanna give you the wrong impression but i Loveeeee you Ar  re   02:29, 5 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Hehe. No problem Oven, me three :$:) !— Tomíca (T2ME) 09:07, 5 December 2012 (UTC)

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I have condensed the lead a bit; and now I need your help. Can you add some information to the fourth paragraph about her accomplishments? Outside of music and acting. What I'm looking for mostly is how she started the trend of clothing lines and fragrances by celebrities. Also maybe include some other relevant information from the "Celebrity status and image" section. Whatever you do, don't make the paragraph any more than eight lines. <font face="Arial" size="2em"> Statυs ( talk ) 00:25, 7 December 2012 (UTC)
 * I'll do it when I come back :) Going out today to get my Dance Again t-shirt made. Ar  re   02:43, 7 December 2012 (UTC)

Girl on Fire
Every song sans "Tears Always Win" has charted. <font face="Arial" size="2em"> Statυs ( talk ) 01:31, 7 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Per Template:Album infobox it says under the Recorded field Details on when and where the album was recorded should be included, this means that recording studio locations should be included in the infobox if they are known. There's no reason to remove them with the guidelines for the template say they should be included. ^^ and its a shame really, I like "Tears Always Win" :( &mdash;  Lil_ ℧ niquℇ № 1  <sup style="color:black;">[talk]  10:22, 7 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Oh okay, gotcha! Sorry Ar  re   10:25, 7 December 2012 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

 * Wow, thanks so much Kelly! That means a lot :) I'm sort of visiting Wikipedia on/off at the moment because I'm packing a lot. This move is really getting to me:( Ar  re   03:07, 9 December 2012 (UTC)

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Hi there (and photo q)
Hi Arre - haven't talked to you in a bit, I hope your move is going smoothly! Or as smoothly as moves can go ;) The rest of the changes have been made to infobox1 if you haven't noticed and want to check them out! I think they'll really clean up the articles and I like that the two boxes are becoming more similar. Anyway, I was looking at some soapnet photos (thanks for your tip on how to search for them, it was driving me crazy every time I ended up on a SN page with no images!) and found a few that Soapnet posted on their facebook site... do you think that's blurring the line of being okay to use or would you think it's okay because it's still soapnet that's releasing it? Also, while I'm asking photo questions, do you know if there are any rules about what the image portrays... i.e. while looking for a new Sam McCall photo I found one where she's pointing a gun, quite in character for her but wasn't sure if it would cause any concern? Probably overthinking it but just wondered what you would do in these cases. Take care! Kelly Marie 0812 (talk) 19:37, 18 December 2012 (UTC)


 * In concerns to the final changes being made to infobox1, will we be changing all the Y&R infoboxes back? Because a majority of them have been switched to infobox2. By the way, I quite enjoy the new infobox1.  Creativity  97  23:29, 18 December 2012 (UTC)


 * I haven't been too involved with Y&R articles but I'd be happy to help you change them if that's what you want to do. Kelly Marie 0812 (talk) 23:35, 18 December 2012 (UTC)
 * I think it's good if she's holding a gun. Because she is often involved in action and stuff like that, it's her type of character. I was going to use a gun picture for Sami Brady but didn't end up, I just used a screenshot I found on the web. Also, some personal issues have come up and I won't be moving. It's been postponed. Also C97, I'm not sure. You can change them if you want but we've already changed majority. I also like the changes to Infobox 1. Ar  re   04:04, 19 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Okay, i'll try it out and see what people think, it will be somewhat small (she's not full focus in the original) so maybe I'll find another along the way. Hope all is well with you! Both of you let me know if you need help with anything! Kelly Marie 0812 (talk) 04:11, 19 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Thankyou Kelly! I'm sure the pic will look good. Ar  re   04:14, 19 December 2012 (UTC)

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Character articles
Hi Arre. I saw your sandboxes for individual year pages for the 2000s page, and was wondering if you were planning on publishing them. I think we should try to split it up a bit more first. Also, I've been meaning to ask you where you find the screenshot images you've been using for articles. I can't seem to find any good ones.  Creativity  97  03:19, 22 December 2012 (UTC)
 * No I'm not going to publish them anytime soon I don't even think I'm going to publish them. Yes we can split them into their own articles but I really need your help. I've already restored articles for Diego Guittierez and Isabella Braña, do you think you could do a couple? it would be a big help. I find them from google images.. for soapnet pictures, just type in "sn soapnet [character/actor name]" and for those screenshots there are multiple things I type in to get those images. Here are a few: (just copy and paste them into google images)

So yea you can basically find a lot of good stills there. They are just stills/thumbnails of videos. For example this is what I found for Chelsea Lawson. Ar re   04:00, 22 December 2012 (UTC)
 * tv.msn.com The young and the restless
 * theyoungandtherestless.com [character name here]
 * video.tvguide.com [character name here]

I really hope to see the "characters introduced in..." articles nominated for GA (They aren't technically lists). Such amazing work has been done on them! <font face="Arial" size="2em"> — Statυs  ( talk,  contribs ) 05:36, 22 December 2012 (UTC)
 * I saw you moved the articles. Can you please add the display titles in as well? Also, are you sure about the move? It's never been done like that. I was just following the style of others (here, here, here and here) I don't mind the move because now that it isn't a list it means we can include non-free images. Ar  re   05:52, 22 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Lazy, LOL. <font face="Arial" size="2em"> — Statυs  ( talk,  contribs ) 05:59, 22 December 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for the image help. And yes, I have some free time so I definitely will help you split some characters.  Creativity  97  14:29, 22 December 2012 (UTC)


 * Hi! I've found some other phrases to plug in Google images for screenshot images:


 * [character name here] tumblr
 * yr caps tumblr

This is where I found new images for Chloe Mitchell, Kevin Fisher and Ronan Malloy.  Creativity  97  23:08, 23 December 2012 (UTC)

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 * Thanks Cake! :D Love? ya! Ar  re   11:26, 24 December 2012 (UTC)
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Shick quotes
Hi! I found the article from SOD. It's called "Sealed with a Kiss!" and it's by Robert Waldron. The issue date is June 29, 1999; it occurs from pgs. 23–25. Here are some other quotes, I don't know which ones you'll want to use:


 * Sharon Case: "Neither knew what the other wanted. So, Sharon went to bed and Nick slept on the couch."
 * Sharon Case: "Everything was going fine, and then Nick's involvement with Grace is brought up. That could cost Sharon her daughter."
 * Joshua Morrow (of Nick's affair): "He didn't think it would be an issue. He wasn't prepared for it."
 * Joshua Morrow (possible Characterization info): "Nick has a fiery personality. If you attack him, he's going to fight back."
 * Sharon Case: "Every time Sharon sees Nick take control, she feels like he's her knight in shining armor."
 * Joshua Morrow: "Nick doesn't use the situation to get back into Sharon's heart. He's doing it because he knows it's right."
 * Sharon Case: "Sharon's feelings about Nick's indiscretion is that it's in the past."
 * Kay Alden: "The build-up to their reconciliation is delicious. When what happened between Nick and Grace comes out in court, the last thing anyone would expect is that it would be the catalyst for bringing Nick and Sharon back together again. But now everything has been cleared away and the powerful love Nick and Sharon feel for each other rises to the surface."
 * Sharon Case: "After what happened between Nick and Grace, Nick really needed to prove himself for Sharon to feel better about what happened. Now, time has passed and he has redeemed himself."
 * Sharon Case: "Nick didn't want to be a father — and look at him now. He's come to Cassie's rescue. It's a different Nick than a few years ago. He's gone through the process of realizing that Sharon's children are the most important thing to her and that for them to have a marriage they have to be the most important thing to him, too."
 * Joshua Morrow: "Nick has accepted Cassie as his daughter. He loves her as much as he loves Noah. She's an incredible child and Nick is crazy about her."
 * Sharon Case: "Happiness doesn't just mean lying around in bed saying, 'I love you' everyday for the rest of their lives. Love expresses itself in other ways. One way is getting over the hurdles of life together. So, I'm sure they will be more hurdles to come."

That's all, I think there's some pretty good info here!! Also, on a completely different note, do you think this article still meets the GA criteria?  Creativity  97  22:48, 29 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Thankyou sooo much for those C97 :) Hm about the Dimitri article, I think it's okay but needs a little cleaning up. I was having a look at Victoria Newman's article, great job on trimming the storyline section. I think with a little more work it could be a GAN Ar  re   00:53, 30 December 2012 (UTC)


 * You're welcome for the quotes, I thought that was some good info. I've just finished cleaning up Victoria, I loosely modeled it off a Neighbours article that's a GA. What do you think?  Creativity  97  02:12, 30 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Was that article Natasha Williams:)? I think it's good. Short and simple. My only objection is there should be a "casting" section, but other than that it's looking better. Ar  re   03:06, 30 December 2012 (UTC)


 * No, it was Carmella Cammeniti. I see the short "Casting" section on Natasha Williams, and I'm still thinking about adding/expanding some things so could you not make any crucial changes for the time being? Thanks! And I love what you've done with Nick and Sharon.  Creativity  97  04:38, 30 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Oh okay. Hmm I think Victoria has enough important casting info. Also, If I were you, I would make a section under development about her 2003 exit. Nah I won't make any changes ;) Ar  re   04:42, 30 December 2012 (UTC)

Help, Daytime Emmys
Hey Arre 9,

I was just wondering if you can help with something. I have work on Daytime Emmy Award for Outstanding Younger Actress in a Drama Series article (I organized it) and I think I've done a great job however I would like to do the same in the other categories (Younger,Supporting,Lead Actor & Supporting, Lead Actress). So I was thinking to be faster that you could help me only if you wish.--  User: SoapFan12  21:27, 30 December 2012 (UTC)   User: SoapFan12
 * Before we do the others we have to finish this. There are a few minor errors, can you please fix up (I already did it for 80's/90's) can you please make sure the year, and winner's actor name/character name are not in italics? They aren't meant to be. Also, if we're working on it, I suggest we find sources for the winner of every year to make it as verifiable as possible. Fans might try and change something. Ar  re   01:42, 31 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Thank you for agreeing to do this with me. And I'll try finding a good sources. Thanks again!  User: SoapFan12  01:59, 31 December 2012 (UTC)   User: SoapFan12