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Old Mission Peninsula AVA
Hello, again. I saw your reply to my last posting, but then you archived your talk page and we need to correct the typo in the article itself. Should it read "...which was the first large-scale planting..."? Thanks. --Thomprod (talk) 15:34, 22 March 2011 (UTC)
 * yeap. AgneCheese/Wine 20:08, 22 March 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Hanzell Vineyards
Thanks for your contribution Victuallers (talk) 00:04, 27 March 2011 (UTC)

Syrian Constitution
Hello Agne. First let me apologize for the long delay. I live in Japan, and I didn't have much time the last few weeks, as you can imagine. Thank you for the tick, and also for the valuable feedback. I will definitely go back to fixing theses, first thing after I get back to editing. Best. Yazan (talk) 05:48, 29 March 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Fiano (grape)
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DYK for Verdicchio
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DYK for Petit Rouge
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DYK for Vespaiola
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Loire
Hi! I was wondering if you could contribute to User:Nvvchar/Loire River and write about the vineyards and wine in the Loire. We need an expert to take care of that to avoid the errors which appeared in the Wachau article on it! I've condensed information you wrote about it in this article. Can you just check I haven't missed anything notable or perhaps summarise some of the main wine brands?♦ Dr. Blofeld  13:21, 11 April 2011 (UTC)

Trisaetum Winery
Just ran across this. Since you've shown excellent judgement regarding the notability of Oregon wineries, can you take a look? My initial take--not notable. Also self-promotion. Cheers! Valfontis (talk) 17:33, 22 April 2011 (UTC)

Trentino-Alto Adige/Südtirol wine
Hi Agne27, I saw that you created the article Trentino-Alto Adige/Südtirol wine. I see the rationale behind writing on Italy's wines region by region (in the official sense: Regions of Italy), but in this particular case here, I think it might be more useful to split the article. Trentino and South Tyrol/Alto Adige/Südtirol are autonomous provinces with a very different cultural, traditional and linguistic background (Elizabeth Poyet writes in her Little black book of wine: In the northernmost part of Italy lies the mountaineous Trentino-Alto Adige, which combines two very different regions with corrispondingly varied wines. p. 118).

Since the region is just a loose commonwealth of two autonomous entities, there are quite diverse economic, methodic and legal circumstances for winemaking, not to mention that there are two separate marketing companies promoting the wine production. There are also remarkable differences in the cultivated grape varieties. For example, Teroldego and Marzemino are found almost exclusively in Trentino, while Lagrein and Gewürztraminer are typical for South Tyrol.

So it might happen that the two wine regions are treated in one section of books dealing with the whole wine production of Italy (for reasons of consistency, since they usually go region by region), but you won't find one single book focussing on the wines of Trentino-Alto Adige/Südtirol. For reasons stated above, they describe wines either from South Tyrol/Alto Adige/Südtirol or from Trentino. The Italian article it:Denominazione di origine controllata lists the two provinces separately, as well, and so does the List of Italian DOC wines and every good wine guide in Italy (,, have a look at the map on the right side!). So I'd suggest to split the current article and to create Trentino (wine) and South Tyrol (wine). What do you think? --Mai-Sachme (talk) 15:44, 7 May 2011 (UTC)

Pronunciation of Montrachet
Please see the discussion page. I don't have a dog in this fight. I simply meant to point out that there is a disagreement about the pronunciation of this word that comes up again and again. Apparently people in France use both pronunciations. Merritt22 (talk) 16:56, 11 June 2011 (UTC)Merritt22

Varieties vs Variatals
Hi Agne. please see this diff and make any change you  thing  should be reverted. Thanks, --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 08:04, 24 June 2011 (UTC) PS: and this: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Ch%C3%A2teauneuf-du-Pape_AOC&curid=1125502&diff=435906781&oldid=434973124 There may also  be more.--Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 08:16, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

Vine training systems
Hallo http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reberziehung HG --Bauer Karl (talk) 08:55, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

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Pierre Tari
Hello Agne, I changed the organization's name from "Association des Grands Crus Classes" to "Union des Grands Crus de Bordeaux". I suppose this information comes from George Taber's article in Time Magazine. But Taber must have been mistaken because there was no such organization at the time (1976). The Association de Grands Crus Classés Saint-Emilion was established in 1982 and it is not the organization which is responsible for the classification of Bordeaux Wines. The Union des Grands Crus de Bordeaux isn't responsible as well, but Tari has been their president from 1975 to 1989 - as you can read at the bottom of the website's section "history".

My understanding of the matter is that the custodian of the Bordeaux Classification of 1855 is the Conseil des Grands Cru Classés en 1855. Paukenhoehle (talk) 16:06, 11 July 2011 (UTC)

Foxen Canyon Wine Trail now buried under Santa Barbara County page
Hello Agne27, you deleted the page for the Foxen Canyon Wine Trail and buried the info at the bottom of the Santa Barbara County page, where no wine sipper actually hangs out looking for wine experiences.... I don't get it. This info does not get it's own page? I don't think I agree with this editing decision. The Foxen Canyon Wine Trail seems like encyclopedic information to me, not something that would fall under a footnote of a county. Can you reconsider this editing decision (or am I giving this too much attention due to the fact that I personally love the wine trail)?

Thanks so much in advance for any responses! Wikiman — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wikiman153 (talk • contribs) 23:57, 26 August 2011 (UTC)


 * It wasn't deleted. It was redirected and anyone that searched for Foxen Canyon Wine Trail will be sent right to it. In fact, the info will be seen by even more people since the Santa Barbara County page gets significantly more views. Look 352 hits for the month of August for Foxen Canyon Wine Trail while the Santa Barbara County article almost gets that amount in a single day. I appreciate the effort you put into this article but, believe me, it is going to be seen by A LOT more people now. AgneCheese/Wine 00:38, 27 August 2011 (UTC)

Excellent, that's good news. Thanks so much! Wikiman — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wikiman153 (talk • contribs) 03:01, 27 August 2011 (UTC)

Champagne Krug Page
Hi Agne27,

Many thanks for your message. I'm very glad that you understood our approach. We are currently working on updating the page. Would you be part of the discussion please ?

I hope we can count on you !

Best regards.

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"cohen cruse ruse"
Hi Agne27! You may remember me (and not necessarily fondly, I fear!) from the tussle over Valhalla Vineyards. But I'm not writing about that now! I am writing to let you know about a set of quite-elaborate and truly odd hoax biographies that I've been investigating, and some associated contamination of legitimate pages - some of which are in the wikipedia wine project's purview.

I've created a page to track the hoaxes here: Cohen Cruse Ruse. The MO of the hoax seems to be to fake a citation to something hard to verify, then build out from there into lots of small edits of legitimate pages that support the hoax bios. I thought of coming to you in particular because you edited one of the affected pages, Cruse family, at one point. If you read through what I've written on my cohen cruse ruse page you should get a better idea of what this is all about.

This is all to say that I'd love your help in rooting this out. Anything you can do to determine what's correct and what's not, particularly in the wine pages, would be much appreciated. And if you see anything I've missed, please do feel free to edit the cohen cruse ruse page to add it. Thanks!

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Signs of life!
Hello Agne! Just by coincidence I just checked if you had been doing any editing, and noticed that indeed you had! I'm not planning to be nearly as active as I once was, but I've been doing some new article and assessment housekeeping in the last couple of weeks, for the firs time in several months. If you'd want something to help out on, it would be this Category:Burgundy (historical region) wine nonsense. As far as I can tell, it's plain wrong, we're definitely talking about wines from current Bourgogne/Burgundy (French region) rather than Burgundy (historical region), which would include some Jura wine and some Swiss wine. In any case: welcome back!!! Tomas e (talk) 16:49, 30 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Heh, yeah. I've been slowly ramping up my activity and getting back in the swing of things. Mostly I've been working over at Commons, uploading a lot of personal wine related photos from my enology studies and tours. My next plan will be to start moving those photos over to the relevant articles here and of course working on those articles as need be. As for the category, I agree with you that the Burgundy cat is quite bizarre. I'll try to look into it when I get time. AgneCheese/Wine 02:56, 1 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Well, well, enology studies! Perhaps I remember wrong, but I somehow thought you were into the wine trade rather than wine production side of things, since you were going through the WSET courses some years ago. So perhaps we'll see a Château Agne in the near future? :-) Tomas e (talk) 09:31, 1 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Oh I've been in the trade for years but I caught the winemaking bug as well. It's been a lot of fun learning about things on the other side of the coin. AgneCheese/Wine 16:35, 1 May 2012 (UTC)

Welcome back Agne. Just on the Category issue - the problem stems from this category originally being called "Burgundy wine" before a speedy move to "Burgundy (historical region) wine" (at the same time as "Burgundy AOCs" and "Burgundy wine producers") in December last year. Camw (talk) 12:18, 23 May 2012 (UTC)

Entre-Deux-Mers
I don't want to be a bore, but there's something wrong here. 3/4 of all the red wine produced under the Bordeaux and Bordeaux Supérieur AOCs would be 200 million litres of wine. The total wine output of Entre-Deux-Mers is only 60 million litres. It's big, but it's not that big! I think you have a different edition of the World Atlas of Wine from me: could you possibly copy out the relevant text? Havelock Jones (talk) 20:59, 2 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Here is a pic of the page. The citation info is the same as the article-The World Atlas of Wine pg 82 Mitchell Beazley Publishing 2005 ISBN 1840003324 AgneCheese/Wine 05:02, 3 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Edit: Also while Hugh Johnson and Jancis Robinson are, undoubtedly, reliable sources they are certainly not infallible or omniscient. This data is from 2005 and could easily be outdated. If there are other reliable sources that contradict this, I have no problem with their inclusion in the article. AgneCheese/Wine 05:05, 3 May 2012 (UTC)
 * How odd: I agree both that that's what the source says and that the source in reliable, but I still don't believe it - for the reason I gave, it can't be true either now or in 2005. There must be some sort of mix up - perhaps 3/4 of the wine produced in Entre-Deux-Mers is sold under those appellations?  Any way, I'll leave it for now, but I'll keep my eyes peeled for anything which clears it up.

Havelock Jones (talk) 12:16, 3 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Havelock, please notice what your reference actually says: "data about Entre-deux-Mers appellation... a surface of 10000 ha, the average production is of approx. 600000 hl". If they have been correct with their terminology, this is not the same as all vineyards in the Entre-deux-Mers region, since many of those use other appellations, such as Bordeaux Superieur. So there is not really any inconsistency between the two sources. Tomas e (talk) 14:56, 5 May 2012 (UTC)

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Irrigation in viticulture
Just a note, the article Irrigation in viticulture that you created is currently a WikiProject Horticulture and Gardening Collaboration of the month. Northamerica1000(talk) 00:11, 9 July 2012 (UTC)
 * That's awesome. I'll keep an eye on the talk page to see if any suggestions or questions pop up. I've gotten some new viticulture reference texts since I wrote that article that could be used to update the page. AgneCheese/Wine 15:50, 9 July 2012 (UTC)

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Hi Agne,

We are looking to move the Aldo Conterno page into mainspace, you mentioned previously that there was a way to do it that would make the DYK nomination easier - if you have a moment could you explain please? Camw (talk) 10:16, 31 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Hey. Sorry for the delay. I'm traveling at the moment with only intermittent internet access. Whether you do a cut/paste or page move doesn't matter for DYK as the date the article goes "live" is the date the article considers for DYK. The only "hitch" is whether or not you want to go through the quid pro quo requirement of DYK rules for self nominations (#5). Since both you and Murgh were the main authors, you would most likely have to do a review of another DYK nom which can be a headache. If another, uninvolved editor nominated the article then there would be no QPQ requirement. I most likely do not qualify as "uninvolved" myself since I do add over 1000 bytes to the article. AgneCheese/Wine 01:44, 3 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Ah thanks. Now I get it. de M URGH talk  06:36, 4 August 2012 (UTC)

Sockpuppet investigations/Juwelz
Hi Agne27! Hope your'e doing good :). I have opened a new sockpuppet investigation report of User:Juwelz on Sockpuppet investigations/Juwelz. I strongly believe that the 2nd account (User:Khnkzgus) is a definite sockpuppet of the other one. I thought to tell you about this as i saw your message on 5 albert sqaure's talk page and so decided to inform you would be a good idea. You are free to give more information and evidence for the case. Thanks! TheGeneralUser (talk) 17:59, 8 August 2012 (UTC)

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Sambiase
I'm very sorry for this technical mistake. It occurred two years ago (the redir change between the wine and the town of Lamezia Terme). At that time I had very lesser practice about "tecnical" and markup issues. Nowadays it's normal and obvious for me to control and to do actions as the one you did. To add a dablink with a ''xx redirects here. for xy, see xz'' it's by now a duty to do into few minutes... Simply, ehm... I forget that "Sambiase" redirect was changed by me. What a shame, I'm really sorry, excuse me... Regards and good work :-) --Dэя-Бøяg 18:02, 10 August 2012 (UTC)
 * No problem. I can tell from your user history that you do a lot of great work and wiki-gnometry and it was probably just overlooked. Have a great day! AgneCheese/Wine 18:16, 10 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks a lot. Have a great day you too :-) --Dэя-Бøяg 18:21, 10 August 2012 (UTC)

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Jamesfi9 (talk) 13:41, 3 November 2012 (UTC)Jamesfi9
 * Pretty much anytime a new user or IP account has edits that only include adding external links, it raises some red flags especially if there is a potential conflict of interest with it being a website that you're connected with. Reading your blog at American Winery Guide, it is clear that you know your stuff and, ideally, it would be nice if you built up your "cred", so to speak, by adding content to articles instead of just links. But I'll tell you what, as a compromise I'll put your link on the Talk:American Viticultural Area page for review by independent, uninvolved editors (as well as a note on the Wine Project talk page) and if one of those editors wishes to move the link over to the article then I will have no objections. AgneCheese/Wine 17:28, 3 November 2012 (UTC)


 * I completely understand why my addition of links, without any other activity, would raise a red flag. Thanks for putting the map forward for consideration, and I'll try to make time to contribute to some articles. Jamesfi9

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