User talk:Alansohn/Archive 15

DYK for Joe Hyams
Number 231 (124 create/expand - 107 nominations)

DYK for Hedley Howarth
Number 232 (125 create/expand - 107 nominations)

DYK for Li Ximing
Number 233 (126 create/expand - 107 nominations)

DYK for Mike Davis (boat builder)
Number 234 (127 create/expand - 107 nominations)

Thanks for the medal
Thanks Alansohn. What a good idea. I'll have to get myself a bottle. Have you tried Glen Ord? I never have actually but its on my list of things to do. :-)Nrswanson (talk) 00:25, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the barnstar
Thanks for the barnstar! It's nice to have my list-maintenance work noticed. --Orlady (talk) 04:57, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

DYK for National Guard Militia Museum of New Jersey
Number 235 (128 create/expand - 107 nominations)

parent/child cats in bridge articles
I noticed a discussion you had with user:Gjs238 regarding duplicate counties in bridge articles back in February. I have started a discussion of the issue at WT:WikiProject_Bridges-- you might want to comment. Cheers! -- Mwanner | Talk 22:21, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

DYK for Henry Loomis
Number 236 (129 create/expand - 107 nominations)

DYK for Carl D. Keith
Number 237 (130 create/expand - 107 nominations)

DYK for John J. Mooney
Number 238 (131 create/expand - 107 nominations)

DYK for Yaakov Alperon
Number 239 (132 create/expand - 107 nominations)

Category:Constitutional laws of Ireland prior to independence
On the category renaming point, I made a new suggestion and would welcome your thoughts. Regards. Redking7 (talk) 22:34, 21 November 2008 (UTC)

DYK for Johnny Rizzo
Number 240 (133 create/expand - 107 nominations)

DYK for C. Harmon Brown
Number 241 (134 create/expand - 107 nominations)

DYK for Jay Katz
Number 242 (135 create/expand - 107 nominations)

DYK for I. Bernard Weinstein
Number 243 (136 create/expand - 107 nominations)

Replied
Just to let you know that I replied to your comment on Talk:Ho-Ho-Kus Public School. NHRHS2010 | Talk to me  22:09, 22 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the update. The issue appears resolved. Alansohn (talk) 22:34, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

Gunny
Thanks for your work on the article about I.C Gunsalus, a fine scientist and estimable person. BBRC had an article devoted to him, which could add to the article. He was said to have been in the running for the Nobel Prize. How could that be checked? Edison (talk) 05:09, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

Rollback
I have granted rollback rights to your account; the reason for this is that after a review of some of your contributions, I believe I can trust you to use rollback correctly by using it for its intended usage of reverting vandalism, and that you will not abuse it by reverting good-faith edits or to revert-war. For information on rollback, see New admin school/Rollback and Rollback feature. If you do not want rollback, just let me know, and I'll remove it. Good luck and thanks. –Juliancolton Tropical Cyclone  18:12, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

DYK for Edward Sheehan
Number 244 (137 create/expand - 107 nominations)

DYK for Fred Odwell
Number 245 (138 create/expand - 107 nominations)

DYK for Catherine Galbraith
Number 246 (139 create/expand - 107 nominations)

Richard Landis
"Is it possible to write a few paragraphs on the subject?" No, there are absolutely no sources for the guy. I've checked several times, and all I get is "This album was produced by Richard Landis" and nothing else. Try me. I dare you. Producing for notable acts doesn't make you inherently notable. Also, the fact that Otto himself called for a delete should probably indicate that maybe it doesn't pass the Otto test. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • (Broken clamshells • Otter chirps • HELP) 19:11, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

The Shangri-La reverting frenzy
Isn't there supposed to be a three-revert rule in effect? I lost track as to how many times you reverted the Shangri-La article. WadeSimMiser (talk) 01:19, 25 November 2008 (UTC)

DYK for Adrian Kantrowitz
Number 247 (140 create/expand - 107 nominations)

DYK for James Armsey
Number 248 (141 create/expand - 107 nominations)

DYK for Rosetta Reitz
Number 249 (142 create/expand - 107 nominations)

DYK for Chuck Churn
Number 250 (143 create/expand - 107 nominations)

DYK for Dunderberg Mountain
Number 251 (143 create/expand - 108 nominations)

Thanks
Thanks for reporting 75.32.10.135 at AIV and reverting the vandalism to my talk page. I had been expecting him to do something like that but you caught it even sooner than I did! &mdash;Politizer talk / contribs 04:58, 26 November 2008 (UTC)

DYK for Pat Underwood
Number 252 (144 create/expand - 108 nominations)

Warning against IP about HLF
Would you be able to look at my comment at User talk:70.94.42.235 and see if you're willing to withdraw your warning or down-grade it to Template:Uw-editsummary? Thanks, Andjam (talk) 10:34, 26 November 2008 (UTC)

Vandal fighting
Noticed you were fighting along with me, also reverted a few edits to your page placed by the I'm so sorry guy. Keep up the good work! Arienh4(Talk) 19:32, 25 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Funny. I saw you revert vandalism to my user/talk page and i returned the favor. It's amazing how much vandalism is constantly going on. Huggle can almost become a video game. Alansohn (talk) 19:34, 25 November 2008 (UTC)
 * The guy got banned by an admin with humor. Someone actually said I thought: "Huggle is a vandalzapping tool." Arienh4(Talk) 14:09, 26 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Once you get onto Huggle, it is truly amazing how many determined vandals there are out there. Alansohn (talk) 14:16, 26 November 2008 (UTC)

West End Avenue
I'm enhancing West End Avenue and you appear to be a Wikipedia savant. Can you show me how to put the word historicist into a sentence, and have it link to the architectural syyle historicism (art), not the philosophical theory. Gratefully, Historicist (talk) 15:31, 26 November 2008 (UTC)Historicist Thank you. Works like a charm. I will do more on WEA, slowly (i.e. not this weekend) Happy Thanksgiving.Historicist (talk) 22:39, 26 November 2008 (UTC)Historicist

Thanks!
Thank your for the DYK medal. The Tom Collins topic turned out to be a great find. The actual history is in old books, now easily searched through Google, the origins of the drink were declared lost in the 1920s, and modern writers on the topic merely copied each other's rumors. I started with a simple old book search at Google and found enough info from the 1800s to generate the article. When I was done, I noticed that Tom Collins is an IBA Official Cocktail, which likely means that people going to the annual World Cocktail Competition will read the Wikipedia article to prepare for the competition and, on returning back to their bars, retell the tale of Tom Collins and source it to Wikipedia. -- Suntag  ☼  15:59, 26 November 2008 (UTC)

DYK for Donald Finkel
Number 253 (145 create/expand - 108 nominations)

DYK for Jane Brody
Number 254 (146 create/expand - 108 nominations)

Happy Thanksgiving!


I just wanted to wish those Wikipedians who have been nice enough to give me a barnstar or smile at me, supportive enough to agree with me, etc., a Happy Thanksgiving! Sincerely, --Happy Thanksgiving! Sincerely, A NobodyMy talk 02:58, 27 November 2008 (UTC)

Wikify: Jane Brody
Please note that I've tagged the page as requiring WP layout formatting. I'm also leaving a remark on its Talk page as a caveat to readers. Factual as the material may be (which I don't challenge), it warrants consideration as to whether it belongs in toto in this encyclopedic article. -- Deborahjay (talk) 07:58, 27 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Some sectioning would be appropriate. As to the dietary recommendations, I would hope that no one is using this article to plan their meals, but appropriate criticism specific to her recommendations from reliable and verifiable sources should be included. Alansohn (talk) 21:10, 27 November 2008 (UTC)

More climate stuff
Why shouldn't we just write the climate sections for each county as well? I'm going to go write that Bergen County has a humid subtropical climate, but it's near the border with humid continental. Happy Thanksgiving. Press olive, win oil (talk) 14:27, 27 November 2008 (UTC)
 * I fully support the addition of climate info, but there needs to be some explanation of the "subtropical" description, which many editors have been confused by. Alansohn (talk) 21:11, 27 November 2008 (UTC)

DYK for Irwin Gunsalus
Number 255 (147 create/expand - 108 nominations)

Hopefully this is OK with you
I deleted our little grammar diversion since you corrected your typo. Hopefully that's OK with you; I wanted to let you know since I deleted something you wrote. Good Ol’factory (talk) 06:28, 28 November 2008 (UTC)
 * No problem either way. I thought it clearer to update my original remarks, but with that the following discussion is moot. Alansohn (talk) 06:30, 28 November 2008 (UTC)

What's the problem with Petra (disambiguation)?
I added PETRA, wikilinked a few likely-looking words (you're free to disagree with that part, I suppose), and corrected the assertion that the No. 10 Downing cat was named Petra; every source I can find gives "Peta". Each change had appropriate edit comments. Exactly what part of that is "unconstructive"? Could you please be considerably more detailed? 71.41.210.146 (talk) 20:16, 28 November 2008 (UTC)

Hey
I have the album right next to me, please don't tell me I'm being unconstructive.  Gaogier How can I help? 00:09, 30 November 2008 (UTC)

Oh, Okay, I accept your apology, looking at all your awards you seem to be a good editor, so yes, keep on doing your thing & making wikipedia better and helping MJ related articles.  Gaogier How can I help? 00:54, 30 November 2008 (UTC)

DYK for Tom Gish
Number 256 (148 create/expand - 108 nominations)

Thank you!
Thanks... for reverting the vandalism on my page.

From a fellow Huggler. :)

Btw, HOW many DYK's do you have? O_o &mdash; La Pianista  (T•C•S) 01:29, 30 November 2008 (UTC)
 * The revert is my pleasure. I try to write a new article daily, thinking of how it might be appropriate for DYK. As much fun as Huggle is, writing articles is great for the brain. Alansohn (talk) 01:32, 30 November 2008 (UTC)

DYK for Betty James
Number 257 (149 create/expand - 108 nominations)

NJ Assessment
Hi Alansohn, I hope all is well. I've been working a bit on assessing WPNJ articles, and I'd like your opinion on importance. It would seem to me that, unless there are unique circumstances surrounding a particular school, we should be able to rate all NJ school articles at the same level of importance. What do you think? Thanks.  shirulashem   (talk)  14:58, 30 November 2008 (UTC)

Converting 2 WikiProjects into task forces under WPNJ
A month ago, I left a note on the talk page of WikiProject Education in New Jersey regarding converting it from a WikiProject to a task force under WPNJ. I think the same thing should go for WikiProject Rutgers. WikiProject Education in NJ has 4 members, and WikiProject Rutgers has 3. What do you think?  shirulashem   (talk)  15:37, 30 November 2008 (UTC)

Now that you're a full-time vandal fighter...
...your user page should be semi-protected; there's no good reason for anyone but you to be editing it anyway. I'll take care of it if you like. Postdlf (talk) 19:23, 30 November 2008 (UTC)
 * I wouldn't say full time, but the semi-protection would be helpful. Alansohn (talk) 19:25, 30 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Done. No need for you to waste your time reverting it every time you piss off an IP.  Postdlf (talk) 19:29, 30 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks. One less problem to worry about. Alansohn (talk) 19:32, 30 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Would you like your talk page semi-protected too, for a short time?  — Rlevse • Talk  • 23:05, 30 November 2008 (UTC)
 * That would probably be helpful. I will take you up on the offer. Alansohn (talk) 23:06, 30 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Semi protected for 2 weeks for editing, indef full protection for moving the page. — Rlevse • Talk  • 23:08, 30 November 2008 (UTC)

DYK for Karl Bissinger
Number 258 (150 create/expand - 108 nominations)

Thanks
Thank you for the DYK medal, and the message accompanying it, which was worded well. I notice that you are well versed in DYK too. Punkmorten (talk) 15:42, 1 December 2008 (UTC)
 * It's a privilege to be able to give you the medal. DYK keeps my brain working and has helped me learn about hundreds of individuals and topics, building this encyclopedia and my own personal knowledge. Alansohn (talk) 15:49, 1 December 2008 (UTC)

DYK for Fred McAlister
Number 259 (151 create/expand - 108 nominations)

DYK for Dudley Savage
Number 260 (152 create/expand - 108 nominations)

DYK for Beverly Hills Diet
Number 261 (153 create/expand - 108 nominations)

Respond
My impression of you commenting at a lot of the same CfDs was not based on Otto's comments. As I said, it was based on my own impression. I never said you were stalking. This is what I said: "Even if this fixation on the same discussions Otto participates in is not intentional and you just happen to be interested in the same categories as Otto, if you put yourself in his position you can imagine that this might have a grating effect upon Otto, making him less likely to be nice."

Also, you need to worry about yourself, and not how Otto is being approached. How do you know I am not having dealings with him via e-mail? As for the specific use of obscenities issue: I think I mentioned this on a CfD page, but I was unaware of that incident, and I hadn't heard about until your mention. Nor did I receive a bunch of e-mail about it, as I have about your behavior.

And when it comes right down to it, to suggest that you're not going to change unless and until the other person gets the same treatment or makes similar changes is rather petty. I thought you could be a bigger user and rise above it and make changes regardless of how others behave. Perhaps I was wrong, but I hope not. Good Ol’factory (talk) 21:56, 1 December 2008 (UTC)


 * If your impressions are your own, they are mistaken, as I have indicated. The word "fixation", which was the basis of my impression that you are claiming that I am stalking him, is not supported by the barest review of the CfDs we each participate in; He has initiated and commented on many CfDs that I have never responded to. Nor will I agree to simply avoid "his" CfDs, as if he had marked his territory and now owns it. As in the past, when I believe Otto -- or any other editor -- is wrong, I will respond, and explain why.


 * As I stated in my earlier response, you made valid points that I will take to heart. However, if your efforts here are intended to be evenhanded, and I sincerely assume they are, I would hope that I would have been extended the same courtesy of an email conversation as is being offered to Otto. As I will assume that Otto received his comments from you in private from your response, I fail to see why you felt the need to make a public case solely on my part. From my perspective, this is still a rather one-sided process. {P.S. I waited to check your contributions before clicking Enter, but this still appears one-sided). Alansohn (talk) 22:17, 1 December 2008 (UTC)


 * You are free to comment where you like, of course, and "stalking" is not the concern. Nor do I think all of your behavior at CfD is problematic. Of course it is not. I was merely trying to get you to reflect on the Otto-centric nature of many of your recent comments at many CfDs, and particularly your recent (inadvertent?) mischaracterizations of some of his arguments, the repeated reference to the "Otto test", etc. I'm not asking you to avoid all discussions Otto engages in, and I'm sorry if that's the impression you got. I was looking for a little self-reflection on it, and to try to see things from his perspective, that's all.


 * You still have no idea the steps I'm taking with Otto, nor do I think you should. How do you know I'm not currently in the process of drafting some comments to him? You just don't know. As I said before, I suggest you focus on yourself. But if you want to play martyr to avoid some self-correction, that's your decision to make. Anyway, I'm not acting in an official "arbitrator" role here where there will be perfect balance. This is not an official WP procedure. I was just trying to be helpful and to try to respond to a number of concerns that were shunted my way. I'm sorry if this has upset you in any way. We can leave it at that, I suppose, and you're free to delete/archive these comments from your page. Good Ol’factory (talk) 22:29, 1 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Now take a stab at looking at this from my perspective. You point to my actions and Otto's, but you only post publicly to my talk page. Whatever you've done with Otto, you have not offered me the same courtesy. I would assume that you might recognize that this appears rather one-sided. If you are telling me that other editors have "come to the point where they will disregard almost everything you say, whether or not your points are valid. In other words, if you're trying to have influence and have your voice and opinion heard—the way you're going about it is counterproductive" you could well appear on my part to be saying that other editors are just being contrary because they disagree with the style, not the content, of the argument, or perhaps that CfD is a game of popularity, not principle. Even if you have contacted Otto privately, you have still not explained why I am not due the same courtesy. I will tell you again that you have made valid points and that I will take them to heart. I hope that you can show a small step towards evenhandedness, whether or not this is an official process. I look forward to seeing those steps on your part, and Otto's, as I have already committed on mine. {P.S. I waited again to check your contributions before clicking Enter, but this still appears one-sided). Alansohn (talk) 23:15, 1 December 2008 (UTC)


 * I understand your concern, but you still don't know (a) what I have already done to contact Otto, if anything, and (b) what I am yet to do with respect to contacting Otto, if anything, and how I will do it. Nor do I think you need to be privy to this information. It exactly this "tit-for-tat" attitude that gets you into these kinds of issues in the first place. If you want a formal process where there will be tit-for-tat, then request one, but I'm not sure that would be appropriate at this stage. For now (and for the third time), I suggest you worry about yourself, and not about Otto. You may be surprised at how things can change when one person does. (I'm not saying you are the one at fault. I'm just giving some suggestions.) Good Ol’factory (talk) 23:48, 1 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Take a gander at Categories_for_discussion/Log/2008_November_26, which you just closed. I participated, Otto jumped in, and I changed my recommendation to match his. Does this still fit the stalking theory? Alansohn (talk) 23:41, 1 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Did you miss my most recent comments above? There is no "stalking" theory. I was referring to some discrete events. Good Ol’factory (talk) 23:43, 1 December 2008 (UTC)


 * It's been disproven on your part (whatever "fixation" refers to) and on Otto's part. Alansohn (talk) 23:45, 1 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Did my above comments not make clear what I was referring to? By above I mean: "You are free to comment where you like, of course, and "stalking" is not the concern. Nor do I think all of your behavior at CfD is problematic. Of course it is not. I was merely trying to get you to reflect on the Otto-centric nature of many of your recent comments at many CfDs, and particularly your recent (inadvertent?) mischaracterizations of some of his arguments, the repeated reference to the "Otto test", etc. I'm not asking you to avoid all discussions Otto engages in, and I'm sorry if that's the impression you got. I was looking for a little self-reflection on it, and to try to see things from his perspective, that's all." Good Ol’factory (talk) 23:50, 1 December 2008 (UTC)

Industrial Robot
Many thanks for catching the vandalism. I try to monitor this page but look away for a couple of weeks and some *** has vandalized it again! Robotics1 (talk)
 * Thank Huggle. I only clicked on the revert and warn button. This kind of vandalism just offends me and its the least I could do to revert it. Alansohn (talk) 23:38, 1 December 2008 (UTC)

Shane P. Davis
The article's creator says it is a hoax and blanked it. I speedied it, but then restored it and proded it because several authors had "improved" it besides the creator, apparently without checking to see if it was an obvious hoax. Is Prod the quickest way to remove it, given the multiple editors? Edison (talk) 05:38, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Prod it, with the multiple editors. Alansohn (talk) 05:41, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

Vandalism?
You know, we're all entitled to our own opinions, but to call this vandalism strikes me as a bit extreme, Alan. You've got a lot more Wiksperience than me, so surely you know the adage about never ascribing to malice that which can just as well be explained by ignorance? Since our warnings, this anon has continued to make more wikilinks, but they appear to be less specious. Howzabout a little good faith? Un sch  ool  05:49, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
 * After previous warnings about drastic overlinking to articles, vandalism eventually becomes the appropriate term. I respect the difference of opinion, but the number of such edits and the triviality of the words linked raised legitimate issues. Alansohn (talk) 05:53, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Fair enough. I just like to give them a bit of time to absorb the "lessons" (read:  Warnings+Links to Policies) before I label them; I believe waiting 15-20 minutes is worth salvaging a potential contributor.  (You'd think me a bleeding heart liberal from a statement like that, wouldn't you?  Heh.  Actually, I'm more worried about creating a hardened vandal.)  Un  sch  ool  06:05, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
 * I had gone to the user's talk page and was about to leave an explanation when I saw the earlier warning, which is what led me to treat the further example of massive overlinking as vandalism. I guess I must think back to some of my early edits when I was linking every word on the page. I hope the warning was productive, but your heads up on the dangers of assuming everything is vandalism is more than fair. Alansohn (talk) 06:11, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

DYK for Robert J. Morris
Number 263 (155 create/expand - 108 nominations)

DYK for Richard Fortman
Number 264 (156 create/expand - 108 nominations)

DYK for Congregation Beth Israel (Scottsdale, Arizona)
Number 265 (157 create/expand - 108 nominations)

reasons why not
1. clean up your talk page. 2. its a sandbox, there's no such thing as non-constructive edits, dork. Wilkos (talk) 19:28, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

DYK for University of Plano
Number 266 (158 create/expand - 108 nominations)

Re: Wikipedia and the Sandbox
I have replied on my talkpage. Useight (talk) 04:30, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

Jörg Haider
Dear Alansohn,

I would like to request you not to delete the section about Mossad having spied on Haider and on the criticism of our Israeli Foreign Office against Mr Haider and the Austrian elections of 11-28-2008. Removing these details might only increase antisemitic theories. Shalom,Smith2006 (talk) 13:02, 4 December 2008 (UTC)
 * I will not delete it because I didn't even know it existed. If it's backed by reliable and verifiable sources to support the claim, I will have no objection whatsoever. Alansohn (talk) 13:07, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

Huggle
Just thought I'd pop in and let you know that your reversion there did not remove all the vandalism. But I got your back, so it's all good. Useight (talk) 06:01, 5 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I tried to clear out as much as I could, but Huggle can make that hard to detect at times. Thanks for the cleanup. Alansohn (talk) 06:30, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

DYK for Andrew McKelvey
Number 267 (159 create/expand - 108 nominations)

Thank you
It really is an astonishing Torah Ark. So little survives of Jewish Poland, to think that this enourmous Ark survives a couple of hours walk form Sobibor....Historicist (talk)Historicist

Thank you again. I have a crunch period coming up and I may log on from time to time in the next few weeks, but probably won't be around much until late January.Historicist (talk) 17:41, 5 December 2008 (UTC)Historicist

DYK for Doris Dungey
Number 268 (160 create/expand - 108 nominations)

Thank you
for reverting my talk page! --Cyfal (talk) 23:45, 6 December 2008 (UTC)
 * It's a pleasure to be able to watch your back. Alansohn (talk) 02:53, 7 December 2008 (UTC)

DYK for Helmut Friedlaender
Number 269 (161 create/expand - 108 nominations)

Edits to Crack Cocaine
Hi, I made an edit to Crack Cocaine earlier and didn't realize I wasn't logged in. However, I noticed I couldn't leave a message on your talk page as it was semi-protected. I certainly don't mean for this to unkind at all, but it might be a good idea to try and keep mistakes using huggle to a minimum if unregistered users have no way of contacting you. Thanks for your efforts on vandalism, CCG (T-C) 02:04, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

Notice about potential legal issue on a WPNJ page
FYI.  shirulashem   (talk)  01:21, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

DYK for Fifth Avenue Synagogue
Number 270 (162 create/expand - 108 nominations)

DYK for Emanuel Rackman
Number 271 (163 create/expand - 108 nominations)

Thanks
Thanks for reverting vandal on my talk page :) BigDunc  Talk 19:55, 10 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Always a pleasure to help out another Wikipedian. Alansohn (talk) 00:46, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

DYK for Joseph Margiotta
Number 272 (164 create/expand - 108 nominations)

Email
Will that make my email public?Historicist 15:04, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

I looked at "my preferences" and I am confused. I would like to oblige, but I am really reluctant to do this if my email address (and identiy) will be discoverable. I'll chcek back later today for you advice on how to fillout "my preferences" to enable email without revealing my address.Historicist 15:09, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

So, do I type historicist after ssingnture? and do I check the small box? Signature: Raw signature (If unchecked, the contents of the box above will be treated as your nickname and link automatically to your user page. If checked, the contents should be formatted with Wiki markup, including all links. Do not use images, templates, or external links in your signature.)

Thanks
For reverting the vandalism on my user page. --Captain-tucker (talk) 01:32, 12 December 2008 (UTC) <div style="border-style:solid; border-color:#000000; background-color:#aa9944; border-width:1px; text-align:left; padding:8px;" class="plainlinks">

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Sandbox revert
This revert looks like a mistake to me, the testing user only added a few random characters to the sandbox. I think you might have just checked the edit without looking at the page. Cheers,-- A<font color= "#0099ff">s hb e y ₮ 02:37, 12 December 2008 (UTC)
 * You are correct. I realized this after the fact. Alansohn (talk) 02:46, 12 December 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for reverting
Thanks for reverting vandalism on my talk page. ... disco spinster   talk  03:11, 12 December 2008 (UTC)
 * It's the least I could do. Alansohn (talk) 04:06, 14 December 2008 (UTC)

DYK for Raymond F. Lederer
Number 273 (165 create/expand - 108 nominations)

DYK for A. Bernard Ackerman
Number 274 (166 create/expand - 108 nominations)

Note
"which would have made a 5x expansion far more challenging. Article expansion should be about adding prose, not infoboxes, tables, block quotes or ancillary content."

The final clause in the proposal states that such lists, infoboxes, etc, would not count in the expansion from the original. Ottava Rima (talk) 02:02, 15 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Also, how are blockquotes not meaningful? Look at an article like Prometheus Unbound (Shelley), where the blockquotes are 100% needed. That, and Samson Agonistes, which was denied because the blockquotes from Milton were discounted. It was stated that Milton's own words shouldn't be used because they aren't "original". Milton, one of the great English writers, shouldn't be used to explain his writing? Ottava Rima (talk) 02:04, 15 December 2008 (UTC)
 * No objection to infoboxes, but not as a DYK criterion. Alansohn (talk) 02:47, 15 December 2008 (UTC)
 * We aren't talking about infoboxes. Blockquotes are quotations that are within a text that include more than 2 lines. It was claimed that any quoting doesn't count as prose, even though WP:SIZE and other places defining prose say that they do. This has only to do with quoting sources directly. None of my pages use infoboxes. Ottava Rima (talk) 02:59, 15 December 2008 (UTC)

DYK for Warren M. Robbins
Number 275 (167 create/expand - 108 nominations)

DYK for William Rosenwald
Number 276 (168 create/expand - 108 nominations)

DYK for Jonah Wise
Number 277 (169 create/expand - 108 nominations)

DYK for United Jewish Appeal
Number 278 (170 create/expand - 108 nominations)

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Edits to Galloway Township, NJ
Your edit to the above mentioned article has been reverted back to the previous content. A consensus was reached on two separate occaisions to leave the deputy mayor's position in the article's infobox. This was after I agreed to let all of your other edits stand. Coming back every few months and breaking the consensus that was reached is inappropriate editor behavior.

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Riverdale, New Jersey
I updated the references dates on the Geographic Names Information System line for Riverdale, New Jersey Infobox which you reverted for no apparent reason. At the same time I removed the reference "CensusArea" because it is not relevant. The GNIS value 0885371 comes directly from /http://geonames.usgs.gov/ by clicking the Search Domestic Names link and using the search page it opens. The reference "CensusArea" is in no way needed find or verify this value. Please explain why you believe it is need here even though it is not included on most municipality pages. Joy if (talk) 12:47, 2 November 2014 (UTC)

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Re: High School Infobox Parameters
Let me explain the logic of the edits I made. For one thing you mentioned the grade links in the infobox. A common thing on encyclopedic sites such as this and wikis are to link to articles in other articles where they are mentioned. Even though everyone most likely has an idea of how grades work there are still articles for Ninth grade and such. So that is why I linked to them in high school infoboxes since they are unlikely to be mentioned in the following sections about the school. It's pretty simple. If a government or military article mentions food (i.e. pizza) why not link to it although we all know what pizza is (or at least we should)? Anyway I see why you raised it as 10th and 11th grades are excluded. Perhaps I should remove the links. Anyway I was unaware of the sample school infobox. I thought it was superfluous and unnecessary to have "high school" listed as the type in the infobox when it is in the title of most secondary schools as well as the opening sentences in the articles. I still think adding the link in infoboxes is not needed as the reader is aware that it is a high school. Also to be even more specific instead of merely linking secondary education in the United States to "high school" in American high school articles, I believe linking Secondary education in the United States is better. So it looks like some resolution has to be made. Can you link me to the sample school infobox model so I can look it over? Banan14kab (talk) 23:22, 6 November 2014 (UTC)

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People who apparently can't assume good faith or work collaboratively
I told you not once but twice that there was nothing further to discuss but you continued to post your arrogant crap at my talk. Now I will tell you in simpler language that hopefully you can understand. STAY OFF MY TALK PAGE!!! Please note that is to be in no way construed as a request. I will continue to edit any article I please, even in and about your kingdom. When a person makes an edit summary stating that they are editing on behalf of the administration of the school which page they are editing, they from that point forward will always have a coi. It does not matter that the school is in jersey. The same rules apply there as in the other 49 states and the rest of the English speaking world. I have never attempted to edit any article on a school in Jersey to get it within guidelines that you haven't showed up and said thats not the way we do it in jersey. Well contrary to your opinion there is value in having some uniformity in articles on the same general subject such as schools. Now..BYE — Preceding unsigned comment added by John from Idegon (talk • contribs)
 * I told you twice that my goal is to improve the article in question and I have the distinct impression that your goal here is to be as disruptive and destructive as possible. When I see that someone from the school is editing the article, my warning flags go off. I watch the article carefully and monitor the content. In this case, the issues were trivial, while the additions were rather productive, providing details that might best be provided by an insider. Your removal of reliably sourced neutral content made the article worse than it was before. Wikipedia has little need for folks looking to impose their own personal and arbitrary interpretations on other editors with a genuine interest on building an encyclopedia. If policy is being violated you might well have a leg to stand on, but if you're just trying to impose some foolish consistency and ram that through without justification, then you may as well move on. I wish you the best of luck and hope that you will start learning how to assume good faith and start working on a collaborative basis with all editors, new and old. Alansohn (talk) 03:23, 20 November 2014 (UTC)

NJ Wikimedia stuff
Howdy, my name is User:Mitchazenia, I am on the board for the Wikimedia NYC, and the only Jersey member. I was wondering at some point if you, with all the connections in Bergen County, and the fact that I now live in Little Falls, looking at maybe some NJ events. We do kind of need some effort in this state, cause other than Princeton, not much. I have a meeting on the 4th of December with the group, so I'd like to bring something up if possible. Mitch 32 (The imitator dooms himself to hopeless mediocrity.) 05:53, 20 November 2014 (UTC)
 * I agree that we should make an effort to get New Jersey better organized. My location in central Bergen County often makes it easier to get into Manhattan for a meetup than other places in our home state, but that's an obstacle that can be readily addressed. There are a substantial number of active editors in the state and it would be useful to have an event to foster greater collaboration. My schedule is challenging but I will make my best efforts. Feel free to contact m e via email this user. Alansohn (talk) 15:31, 20 November 2014 (UTC)

WikiProject West Milford
would you like to join WikiProject West Milford in support of the New Jerey town. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Runne (talk • contribs)
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November 2014
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November 2014
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 * See my reply there. Thanks to NE2 for expanding the article with the required reliable and verifiable sources needed. Alansohn (talk) 13:26, 23 November 2014 (UTC)
 * I'm glad we were able to bring Fair Play to New Jersey. That's how stub articles about places grow.  Not every editor has access to very specialized historical resources, but a stub is a good start.  In many of the Mississippi ghost town articles I've worked on, few editors know about Dunbar Rowland, but a stub is a welcome foundation.   Look at all the stubs about West Virginia that User:Coal town guy has created, often using just GNIS.  Then someone visits a place like Hoohoo and snaps a picture.  But to shut editors down so quickly really isn't what Wiki is about.  I don't think anyone has contributed more to the history of New Jersey than you (just as no one has added more Love, Love, Love, Love, Love to Wiki than me), and I personally want to thank you for your tremendous contribution.  There's more though, and it's not the first time I've asked you to please have an open mind to the contributions of others.  As Abraham Maslow said: "I suppose it is tempting, if the only tool you have is a hammer, to treat everything as if it were a nail."  Thanks for listening.  On another note, when I added Fair Play to Monmouth County, New Jersey, I had no idea what municipality or township to add it to (in the chart), but eventually found it here.  Would you have a moment to add this reference so other editors can easily track down the municipality and not mess up that great chart?  Thanks again!  Magnolia677 (talk) 15:49, 23 November 2014 (UTC)
 * There's a balancing act here and there's a reason that every dot listed on GNIS doesn't have an article. An entry that merely provides a one dimensional combination of latitude, longitude and elevation provides nothing to readers. It might -- might -- attract more content, text or photos from passersby by merely existing as an article, but most of these go nowhere. The negatives include the fact that someone may add inbound links of the type "John Smith lived in Fair Play" that would link to Fair Play and not Millstone Township, and as such would never be picked up by those looking for links to Millstone Township, and as such would effectively be orphaned from the better article. The municipal articles are far more comprehensive than 99% of the locality articles, with most of the exceptions being well-established neighborhoods and communities, say like Llewellyn Park. I'd still prefer that articles like this start out as a redirect to the parent article that could be split off once it has meaningful content within the parent. An article that starts out as Fair Play did, without even any guess as to where it is located more refined than a county, is probably not ready for prime time, and what NE2 has added wouldn't meet the GNG for any other article as the sources are not about Fair Play itself. A stub that will never be expanded is no more useful than a stump in the ground; you'd be better off with a stripling tree or clear ground, while the stump just gets in the way of progress and often takes a tremendous amount of needless time to uproot. I am more than open minded to the contributions of others and I'd hope that you'd be equally open and accepting of the thoughts and experiences of editors who've been around these parts a bit longer. Note that rather than linking to the search page, I linked to the underlying list and did so for all of the localities within Millstone Township. Alansohn (talk) 16:45, 23 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Its a dangerous thing to assume total knowledge of any said geographic are by presuming that a GNIS entry is not valid...At one time you could work with GNIS,with a camera and an old map...I managed to get a few WV communities back on the map...YES, most are populated. its really vital to not consign a location to oblivion merely because you cant find data on it. Thats a form of censorship that is far far more dangerous than not agreeing.......Please understand this post is not about confrontation or saying HEY thats wrong, I am asking from experience, if you preclude the possibility of any place existing, its a slippery slope, and a dangerous one for any encyclopedia..Coal town guy (talk) 17:57, 24 November 2014 (UTC)
 * WP:GEOLAND strikes a reasonable balance: Government-recognized places are presumed to be notable, while other such populated places are not and need to have appropriate sources demonstrating notability. I'm not consigning anything to oblivion at all. If it has independent reliable and verifiable sources about the place, then go ahead and write the article, but for those places that don't meet that standard a redirect to the parent municipality or county would provide a seed to get the article created. GNIS has several times more populated places than incorporated places, and Wikipedia would be worse off if we created stub articles for every one of these tens of thousands of places with nothing more than "Foo is a populate place in State located at this longitude, latitude and elevation". An infobox that constitutes 95% of the article doesn't solve the problem. GNIS is valid, but it doesn't make every populated place worthy of an entry in this encyclopedia. That's not censorship, that's common sense. Alansohn (talk) 20:16, 24 November 2014 (UTC)
 * So, can you tell me every single unincorporated notable place in the continental United States? Nope. Unless there is a clear and direct rule, which there is not, I have followed WP:GEOLAND to the best of my ability and knowledge.AND how about Foosland, Illinois, with a post office, I might add......but barely a population of 100, includes a bank....hmmm.....The issue again is, unless there is an unmoved and total font of knowledge, we work together. The idea that a community or unincorporated entity does not sound notable to you, ergo, its not notable, is just not slicing it. We all work together here and if you dont like small communities, which can be proven to be notable, I cant help you. They will have strange names,  and much to the like or dislike, they exist. Those that are former communities, which have become part ad parcel of another community or city and be noted. It is censorship to claim it to be not notable because you dont like the name of it no longer exists...MANY had their own post office.......One editor told me NOT to show these places on a map because its and I quote "confusing".........Suuuure......As to geo stubs...I strongly disagree...One of the functions of Wikipedia is that of gazetteer......Knowledge grows in an environment that allows growth, and the migty tree sprouts from the acorn.....Stubs are acorns and your opinion of them is moot. IF however it prevents the creation of data, then, thats called enforcing your opinion on others, even if you worked for GNIS, they can be wrong. I have again helped update several of their entries........I have zero desire to make this a us vs them mentality, I will assume good faith. I however would like to see the same courtesy exyended to people who actually do create stubs, that can and are updated later .....Coal town guy (talk) 21:48, 24 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Incorporated places (and those with other official government standing) are presumed to be notable, while other populated places are not. Nothing prevents the creation of articles for other populated places other than the addition of sources demonstrating notability. This is common sense, not censorship. Alansohn (talk) 22:05, 24 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Your statement is not what Wikipedia purports to do. MOSt of the places I have documented disappear once government funds are obtained. Fortunately, there are famous notable folks from these places. I am one of 9 left from my home....home is now a greasy spot of black earth for me, that was the year the official government standing agency, obtained funds to remove my town..... I am unable to follow your locution, it is just that, locution, and not in any way a determination made by Wikipedia.......I will at this point agree to disagree as will many many others. However, I would only ask, consider that my opinion AND your opinion are not the wikipedia rule...Calling it common sense is at best impaired judgement, its not. Its your poor interpretation of a community rule and essay..I strongly disagree and bitterly resent the implication that others action are not common sense...I assure you they are. Hardly an assumption of good faith.....certainly the assertion of bad faith.......good luckCoal town guy (talk) 03:50, 25 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Again, I support the creation of articles for unrecognized populated places backed by reliable and verifiable sources, the Wikipedia gold standard. Alansohn (talk) 03:58, 25 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Wonderful, then your statements about stubs and their usefulness must be an obvious error......Excellent!!Coal town guy (talk) 04:04, 25 November 2014 (UTC)
 * I'm unsure what you're referring to but articles for unrecognized populated places with no sources other than GNIS should be turned into redirects. Alansohn (talk) 04:20, 25 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Uhhhh, NO. Unless its agreed upon to be unrecognized, a redirect can be worse than any stub.....and in many cases utterly false, wrong, without fact.....that is censorship, you cant unilaterally redirect because you dont want to build the encyclopedia...The data is out there, there are of course limitation, original research for example...There are ways to document places, BUT GNIS is a great start, and like it or not, stubs do grow. I do not recall a timeline in Wikipedia or deadline....in fact, I recall that there is NO deadline....Coal town guy (talk) 14:44, 25 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Censorship? An article for a place with no source other than GNIS deserves an article no more than my house does. GNIS is a great start, it really is, but if there's nothing more than that there's nothing that merits an article. Stubs do grow but most of them just get in the way. The best way to demonstrate that there is some reasonable likelihood that the stub will grow is one that starts with independent reliable and verifiable sources about the place other than a GNIS link for latitude, longitude and elevation. I admire your persistence in creating this articles and preserving the heritage of these places, but it's far easier to find sources online than to do the original research of crawling over fences. If you can't find the sources anywhere online it's probably not ready for prime time. Alansohn (talk) 16:34, 25 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Millions of years ago, when we used mainframes, and GASP, before the advent of the internet as we know it now, people used books...Honest, they sure did. AND some of these books are exceedingly rare to get from a library or even the Library of Congress, which is 2 blocks from where I work. A run of over 500 was considered LARGE. SO, I do BOTH. I hop fences and use BOOKS...and yes, even the internet...AND here s the killer, some of these places, are NOT well documented because.....most documentation is from a coal company that ceased existing, and had zero legal onus to document anything.SO, that means, its not easy and it takes time........As I have pointed out, there is NO deadline on wikipedia......I hope you enjoy the coming holiday, I will be reading the first edition late 19th century History of West Virginia in 2 parts...Curiously, that book is a free PDF.........which resides on my kindle...BUT sometimes, those OLD BOOKS just have gems.........and some of those fences, are in front of historic associations...... Coal town guy (talk) 22:09, 25 November 2014 (UTC)
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Regarding new articles, I noticed that in less than 24 hours you made two significant edits to Foul Rift, New Jersey, an article I created yesterday. I'm not sure why you insist on altering the formatting, by increasing the map size in the infobox to 400, but it really destroys the look of the new article. I'm sure this wasn't your intention. If you insist on reverting my edit, please leave a message on the talk page first and articulate your rationale. Thank you. Magnolia677 (talk) 23:33, 25 November 2014 (UTC)
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Ford Edison (Metuchen) Assembly Plant
Hi, from what I found from internet searches, Ford called the plant the "Edison Assembly" but because of its close proximity to Metuchen, Ford fans have been identified as calling it the Metuchen Assembly. When I entered the former address of the plant in Google Maps, the abandoned field expnains the confusion. Thanks (Regushee (talk) 20:56, 29 December 2014 (UTC))

Frenchhtown Solar
Frenchtown Solar is the collective name for three arrays as called by Con Ed. They are all in Kingwood Township more or less in the vicinity of Baptistown, which is about 3 miles east of Frenchtown. How's that for confusing? Have added refs to that effect to the township and community articles, but suppose it could be deleted from Frenchtown article, or at least moved from geography section and placed elsewhere: Namesake Frenchtown Solar is located in neighboring Kingwood Twp. (if noteworthy). I'm fine with whatever you think is best. Best to you, too, in 2015. Djflem (talk) 18:31, 31 December 2014 (UTC)

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Alansohn, Shalom. Two days ago, I made an edit on a WP article entitled Cyclamen persicum. I added the section entitled "Plant properties," now changed to "Uses." In it, I had written the sentence: "...The Bedouins of the land of Israel used to collect the root, and after grating it, would mix it with lime and sprinkle it over the surface of lakes or other large bodies of water known to contain fish," but another Wiki editor came along and changed the name "Israel" to "Palestine." I wanted to know if this is deemed proper procedure on Wikipedia, i.e., not to use the name "Israel" when referring to this country and to ignore, as it were, the political reality on the ground, or perhaps it is because the reference to the Bedouins there occurred during the British Mandate? Just curious.-Davidbena (talk) 13:31, 1 January 2015 (UTC)
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Bergen County economy
Hi, Alansohn - the impetus for my removing the 2012 economic data was the fresh Mercedes news, but I see you've already accounted for that in your restoration of data. That's fine, thanks. Best, Castncoot (talk) 23:15, 7 January 2015 (UTC)
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Template:NJ Legislative 39 - 2014-15
Hello Alansohn, as you updated Template:NJ Legislative 39 for the last session, would you mind double-checking my new update for 2014-15 please? That template and its handling are new to me, just want to make sure it is working correctly as intended. Thank you. It's used in Old Tappan, New Jersey, if you want to see the final output. GermanJoe (talk) 15:47, 10 January 2015 (UTC)
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Lady Pertsoilles in Stanhope, NJ
Dear Sir could you please repost my birth information under notable people for Stanhope, NJ. I assure you I exists and I would think a Baroness all though be it an English title would still be a notable achievement for a past resident.

Lady Candice R. DeVizio of Pertsoilles. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ladypertsoilles (talk • contribs)
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DYK nomination of Lou Tepe
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