User talk:AliceJMarkham/Archive 1

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Saying Hi
Hi there! I read your comment on the LGBT project page, and I just wanted to say welcome and I am sorry you feel excluded. If you ever need any help on Wiki, please feel free to call upon me. If I can do anything--even if it's just giving you support--I will be happy to do so. Jeffpw 11:44, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
 * I second this. Also, I am going to create a separate Bisexual infobox, different to the generic LGBT one; would you mind creating a Transgender one if you can? Dev920 (Have a nice day!) 06:07, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
 * I've created the bisexual infobox. We now have Template:LGBT sidebar, and Template:Bisexuality topics sidebar - do you want to create a transgendered infobox, or do you want me to do, or shall we not have one? Dev920 (Have a nice day!) 10:43, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
 * I'll be quite happy to create it, but I probably won't get to it until around xmas/new year. My life in the real world will slow down a little when I take holidays. :) --AliceJMarkham 02:31, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Ok. Take as long as you want. We can use the LGBT one until then. Dev920 (Have a nice day!) 10:26, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Well, it happened quicker than expected. I also noticed (but couldn't figure out how to fix) that the Bisexuality topics sidebar 'edit' link takes you to a 'create page' for the template 'Bisexual'. --AliceJMarkham 01:30, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
 * ...It doesn't, so far as I am aware. I've just tried it and it works fine. How strange. Good job on the template though, we have a full set now. :) Dev920 (Have a nice day!) 10:39, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
 * I just tried it again and it's broken for me. I'm talking about the little edit link in the bottom right corner of the template itself, not the edit this page button at the top. --AliceJMarkham 21:51, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Ah, right. I've fixed it now. It was linking to Template:Bisexual, and not Bi. Dev920 (Have a nice day!) 21:57, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

Australian Cleavage
Hi. Slang terms are rarely globally used. We could delete all slang, but that would make for a much dryer WP. I could find a reference for Australian Cleavage but there are more important things I should be doing. As a compromise, I moved neathage to the first term. H Bruthzoo 19:18, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

WP:LGBT comes around...
See - give 'em something they understand and they can dig what you're saying :) Personally, I'm a big fan of tagging the makeup article :) –  SatyrTN (talk | contribs)  01:36, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

LGBT Template
Hi Alice! I see that you've added the LGBT template to the Hair removal article's talk page. Please feel empowered to include an article rating too in the template if you like (or not if you don't). You can find more information about rating articles at WikiProject_LGBT_studies/Assessment. Thanks! --Tiger Marc ROAR! 03:13, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

I like you!
Let's be friends/collaborators.:) NinaOdell | Talk 16:33, 12 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Hi. Thanks for that. If you've read my user page, you'll realise that with effort and time, you could be as weird as I am. :) --AliceJMarkham 21:36, 12 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Oh honey - wander around mine for a minute...:)NinaOdell | Talk 21:55, 12 January 2007 (UTC)


 * LOL. I did wander around your user page, subpages and linked articles before I responded. I'm still quite confident that I'm weirder. I'm resisting the temptation to add an external link to my user page - there are photos that show more than the ones in hip and buttock padding. :)


 * Nuh uh. I'm a freak for real. I'm Bipolar, Biracial, Bisexual, and fall right down the middle of that four-box masculine-feminine test. I was born on Beltaine, my boyfriend has more tats than most people can imagine, my (long distance) "girlfriend" is pierced and tatted.
 * Speaking of hip and buttock padding(or not, who knows), the article on Calpernia Addams could use some work. Specifically, she's in the film industry now. It could use section headings too. Really, the text needs to be re-organized.:)NinaOdell | Talk 15:35, 13 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Biographical articles aren't really my speciality but I'll see what I can do. --AliceJMarkham 06:35, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

Happy King Day
"Women, if the soul of the nation is to be saved, I believe that you must become its soul. - Coretta Scott King"


 * I have no idea what it means (is is american?), but thanks. :) --AliceJMarkham 06:35, 16 January 2007 (UTC)


 * January 15 was Martin Luther King Jr. Day in the United States. It became a Federal Holiday back in the early nineties, I believe. This year, Dr. King's wife died (back in January of 2006), so I decided to highlight quotations from her instead of Dr. King.


 * It's a very important holiday to me. I was fairly unhappy that I had to work that day, though I love my job. The fact that it's a Federal holiday at all is momentous. I remember there were debates on it - Arizona refused to recognize it at the time. Now that Coretta Scott King has passed, I simply call it King day.


 * I'll try to do some clean up of Calpernia Addams soon. She is a remarkable woman. If you ever have a chance, get the DVD of Soldier's Girl and listen to her commentary. She's a courageous, insightful, and interesting person to know about (plus the movie is so romantic - Troy Garity is a dreamboat!). NinaOdell | Talk 13:58, 16 January 2007 (UTC)


 * PS: Is it wrong to have a major crush on Eddie Izzard? I think he's hot hot hot...NinaOdell | Talk 15:40, 16 January 2007 (UTC)


 * If that's your inclination, I don't see anything wrong with it. :) Personally, I don't find males (including my own alter-ego) attractive. --AliceJMarkham 02:28, 17 January 2007 (UTC)


 * I have several inclinations. Men are hot. Men in skirts with makeup are even hotter. That's not a come-on, just stating an opinion (see, I told you I'm weirder than you!:) ).


 * I've done a fairly massive copyedit on Calpernia Addams, and I'll do more to clean up the English a bit. I hope she sees it someday and likes her article. Check it out sometime and let me know what you think. Cheers and cherry blossoms, NinaOdell | Talk 14:31, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

Your help needed
Hey, Alice, we're having a discussion on categories at Portal:LGBT/Categories, and Ganymeade says that the term "Transgender" should not be used as a noun. I have no knowledge of Transgender argot, so it would be good if you could weigh in on this. Dev920 (Have a nice day!) 13:07, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

Template:Transgender footer
Re: Transgender footer, great job! I've added some extra topics that I feel are related and important enough to be in the template. Please review them and feel free to revert or remove some. WjBscribe 07:44, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

LGBT WikiProject newsletter
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Voice Therapy
Duh! Thanks for catching my blatant error :) How embarrassing. Serves me right for copy/pasting the header above. Thanks again - Alison ☺ 00:08, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

LGBT WikiProject newsletter
This month's project newsletter (hand delivered as SatyrTN and Dev920 are away). Best wishes, WjBscribe 03:11, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

Cross-dresser
Not really sure why you took that pic I added as offensive. Could you please explain? That link didn't add anything. As I usually do I found a pic while browsing thought it might add something to the article and added it. AGF btw. Quadzilla99 08:10, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
 * genderfuck, as illustrated in the photograph that you added to the article on cross-dressing, is where a person deliberately mixes both masculine and feminine to present a deliberately contradictory image. In this particular image, the main masculine gender cue is the hairy arm placed conspicuously centrally to the image to emphasise (probably not consciously) the fact that the subject isn't really female. The visible beard shadow and the fact that the edge of the wig is clearly discernable across the forehead also make the image of poor quality for the illustration of that article. --AliceJMarkham 09:22, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
 * If you feel that way I'm not going to fight you, I'm not very familiar with the whole midset surrounding this. It's a man dressed up as woman, that's a cross-dresser AFAIK. I think you might be displaying a little POV in only wanting an ideal image up there though. Regardless there was no bad faith intended. Quadzilla99 09:32, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

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What the?
It appears that the proxy server for my ISP has been blocked!

202.92.102.220 = proxy.idl.net.au

In other words, that's a shared IP, folks. --AliceJMarkham 08:05, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

LGBT WikiProject Newsletter
Delivered on 16:00, 6 June 2007 (UTC). SatyrBot 15:50, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

thanks for improving "human figure"
keep article in your watchlist for some time. thanks202.41.72.100 08:19, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

thanks again for goodwill. human topics are sensitive, i need not explain. (even in real life people hurt themselves to teach me a lesson, this is not new for me. and im enjoying article in previews by pasting wikitext ) Racky pt 06:31, 23 May 2007 (UTC)dont tell this to user:andyjsmithRacky pt 09:20, 3 June 2007 (UTC)
 * kindly consider it as discussion before deletion review --> User_talk:Whstchy. thanks. Racky pt 07:01, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

You had once told wide hips of females is for child bearing in one of your contributions but that is wrong. Instead that is for childbirth see here: Human_skeleton. Wide hips is to allow foetus' head to come out, this is exclusive to humans as humans have proportionately bigger head, see here: Hip_(anatomy). thanks. 202.41.72.100 03:58, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

Racky pt?
Hi

I'm just a step ahead of you at the moment. I noticed Human body shape when looking at Racky pt and yes, it's the same editor(s). If you look up the anon IP editors they all track back to the same place in India, and their edits never overlap. So it's probably sockpuppetry or just possible a couple of meatpuppets (although I doubt it).

I'm AfDing Human body shape right now. It is fundamentally the same article as near as I can remember, thinly disguised with some very poor references.

andy 14:38, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

I agree with you, he's building up to being a nuisance again. I raised this issue with the closing admin on the socksupect debate Suspected_sock_puppets/Vinay412 but nothing has happened. I think it would be appropriate for you to contact who blocked Vinay412. AFAIK 202.41.72.100 is only used by Vinay412 - the edits are only his kind of stuff and it only seems to be used when the other sockpuppets are off the air. He claims it's a shared IP but nobody else seems to be using it.

andy 09:35, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

Core Topics
Alice, does the Core Topics adequately reflect core transgender and transsexual issues? My complete lack of knowledge means I can't tell. Dev920 (Have a nice day!) 10:57, 24 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Ah, excellent. Thanks for that. I will go suggest we finish it up now. Dev920 (Have a nice day!) 15:40, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

Re Eleanor Roosevelt as a drag
I have dressed as MS Roosevelt MANY times. Cr8tiv 21:56, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

LGBT WikiProject Newsletter
Delivered on 16:00, 6 July 2007 (UTC).

Tranny International
It's now been deleted as WP:CSD, as you'd marked it as such and I reviewed. However, you didn't use the nn-warn template to warn the original author that it's been tagged for speedy. I updated their talk page as a courtesy, however you should probably do this in future as the 'bot doesn't always catch them. Thanks - A l is o n  ☺ 07:45, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
 * My mistake. It's the first time I've felt the need to speedy an article, and I wasn't aware of the need to add the nn-warn template to the user's talk page. --AliceJMarkham 11:14, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

SX News
I can certainly ask if they would like to interview you. They're after WP:LGBT members, after all, not just teh Gay (not that I would qualify in that case). :) Shall I put you forward? Dev920 (Have a nice day!) 12:07, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
 * As long as they don't want to publish my male name or photo, I should be able to do something. I lead somewhat of a Jekyl-and-Hyde double life. :)


 * Oh, and I'm about 2 hours drive or 3 hours by train from Sydney... That might affect whether they want to interview me or not. --AliceJMarkham 12:40, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Ok, I'll contact them. Thanks! Dev920 (Have a nice day!) 15:01, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
 * She's interested in interviewing you. Could you email me so I can pass on your address? Dev920 (Have a nice day!) 17:42, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Sent. --AliceJMarkham 06:01, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

IRC cloak request
I am AliceM on freenode and I would like the cloak wikipedia/AliceJMarkham. Thanks. --AliceJMarkham 17:19, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

LGBT WikiProject Newsletter
Delivered on 16:00, 6 July 2007 (UTC).

For you
Your edits are strong, justified and your logic is impressive. Thanks for your contributions and your efforts to improve WP for everyone (including editors). Be well and take care! – User:RyanFreisling @ 15:58, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

Inactive
As someone who was the object of a persistent troll, I hope you will reconsider leaving WP. You're really a big asset to the project, and you have most likely helped many people looking for information on gender issues by keeping those pages updated and accurate, which is a very noble public service to those who have questions and issues in that area. We need you. They need you. Please reconsider. -- David  Shankbone  12:08, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

Races and Breast sizes
Hello :) Is it any chance for you to explain the Human race towards the size of the breasts, thanks Nick10000 10:16, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

FYI
Your thoughts? – User:RyanFreisling @ 00:12, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

Don't let trolls get you down
That's all they want. Keep cool and calm and dispassionate and the trolls will burn themselves out. Take care, and please don't go. :) – User:RyanFreisling @ 11:50, 19 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Welcome back. Please note that i was not blocked for disruption, and also that none of my contribution constitutes disruption. I was blocked as sockpuppet of some unconnected blocked user, which i proved wrong with sufficient evidences and proper unblock procedures. Please assume good faith in other editors, we all here to help project. Thanks. Lara_bran 06:57, 23 September 2007 (UTC)


 * LOL. How short do you think people's memories are, Vinay?


 * Your original 1-week ban was for disruption. You then got it extended to 2 weeks for sock puppetry, then got the 2-week start time reset for further sock puppetry. That's all on your original account's talk page.


 * You were evading that block yet again using your Lara bran account when you were incorrectly mis-identified as being a sockpuppet of User:Kuntan and your original account (User:Vinay412) and other known sock puppets were indef banned.


 * Subtract the mistaken connection with Kuntan and you were still in trouble for disruptive editing in the first place. Add in the rudeness present in your original account's talk page, edit summaries for Shemale, behaviour in Talk:Shemale, etc. and I believe that you're extremely lucky to have had the block lifted at all. It's more a case that the reason given for the block was wrong than that the block was unjustified.


 * I would suggest that you will need to behave yourself impeccably in the future because, with a history like that, any admin who looks at your history when dealing with a future complaint is likely to re-block you for a long time if not indefinately.


 * I sincerely hope that you have learned from all of this and that you will be civil in the future, and assume good faith from others. --AliceJMarkham 12:24, 23 September 2007 (UTC)
 * My first block was expired long back, also that block was without single warning on a new user, that was harsh. Later i never been disruptive. Regarding article shemale, i oppose undue weightage/mislead to transgender issues in wikipedia, thats all. There is dispute resolution process including RfC etc. for content disputes of such kind. Here it is mentioned that "second account can be used for anonymity", and i avoided real name for anonymity, and you please avoid my real name in talk pages, thanks in advance. Lara_bran 03:58, 24 September 2007 (UTC)


 * You misunderstand the meaning of the above statement about using a 2nd account. The 2nd account is intended for when you are editing in a completely separate part of wikipedia. For example, I know of a couple of people who have one account for editing in the LGBT area and another account for other areas that they are interested in. The two accounts never edit in the same area, never take part in the same AfDs, etc. If they did, it wouldn't be within the rules. In contrast, you have repeatedly emphasised that your other account is related to your real name, such as in this edit summary. I don't need to mention your other account name for others to know your name. Your edit summaries emphasising it are permanently available to anyone who cares. It's public knowledge and not covered by the rules about having a 2nd account for privacy reasons. If you wanted to dissociate yourself from your real name, you would need to create a new account and edit an entirely different set of subjects. --AliceJMarkham 08:21, 24 September 2007 (UTC)
 * That account you are referring is blocked indefinitely, how can that edit same article which current account edits. Also hardly anobody would visit that profile since that stopped editing articles. Sock tag is to seperate myself from kuntan, which again may lead to unnecessary complications. Im concerned about privacy in shared ip, thats all. Thanks. Lara_bran 08:41, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

Stop!. This is your last warning, if you continue harassing as you did in Talk:Shemale, necessary steps will be taken. I have already warned you once and this is the last warning. Please use username in wikipedia. Thanks. Lara_bran 08:49, 28 September 2007 (UTC)
 * I was referring to this edit . thanks. Lara_bran 05:25, 29 September 2007 (UTC)

image size
Regarding your this edit. I saw you saying that often that it is deprecated, i could saw policy but that is not mentioned in WP:XIMG. Registered users constitute very less percentage of readers of wikipedia, most are anonymous users. Could you point me where exactly your point of "deprecated use of static pixels". I think other way is better, we can define pixel size depending on article's structure. Thanks. Lara_bran 03:38, 25 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Quoting directly from WP:XIMG: "From MediaWiki 1.5 the default thumbnail width can be set in the preferences, so it is recommended not to specify "px", in order to respect the users' preferences (unless, for a special reason, a specific size is required regardless of preferences, or a size is specified outside the range of widths 120–300px that can be set in the preferences)." --AliceJMarkham 07:25, 25 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks, i had cntr+f'd for deprecated, this would be more specific. But i still feel registered users are minority, lemme give a try for policy change. Nice day. Lara_bran 07:54, 25 September 2007 (UTC)
 * As it turns out, it's already in the images section of the Manual of Style. I'll refer to there in my edit summaries in the future. Thanks for prompting me to go looking. --AliceJMarkham 08:38, 25 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks, but spare lead section images as mentioned there. Bye. Lara_bran 09:31, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

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Delivered on 17:31, 11 October 2007 (UTC).

Transsexualism - category in abnormal psychology
Why did you remove Transsexualism from abnormal psychology?--J2000ca 04:53, 23 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Answered at Talk:Transsexualism where the same user asked the same question.--AliceJMarkham 05:51, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

We Won!!!!!!!
I am so happy to see that semi-retirement message taken off of your userpage!!!!! Jeffpw 13:51, 29 October 2007 (UTC)
 * I'm happy to have had reason to remove it. :) --AliceJMarkham 14:04, 29 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Welcome back sweets! – User:RyanFreisling @ 15:17, 29 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Oh, good. :) Dev920 (Have a nice day!) 21:06, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

Get in the IRC channel and lets have a party. :) Dev920 (Have a nice day!) 00:59, 4 November 2007 (UTC)
 * By the time I saw your message, there was nobody there. :( I'll try again later today if I get a chance. --AliceJMarkham 05:50, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

No problem
I'm just sorry you had to put up with such rubbish for so long. Jeff, I know you're reading this, let's keep the gloating to a bare minimum though, eh? Neil  ☎
 * Well, even if Jeff is gloating, I'm not. I'm just waiting for the arrival of the next sockpuppet. Based on Vinay's history, I expect that he has at least one more account already created and waiting. It's just a matter of identifying it when he starts editing something that he has disrupted before...


 * On a related note, should the user:Vinay412 account be changed to say that it was blocked indefinitely for sockpuppetry and all the puppet accounts changed to say that they are indef blocked socks of Vinay412 instead of Lara bran? --AliceJMarkham 10:14, 8 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Talk about an assumption of bad faith, Neil. Am I happy that awful, disruptive sock is no longer harassing Alice off of the project, and bothering other hard-working editors who are trying to improve this project? You bet your ass I am. Am I gloating? Not in the least. That awful sock isn't worth the time it would take me to gloat. I', just glad we at the LGBT project can work in semi-peace again....and I hope the next reincarnation of this sock (and mark my words, there will be another one) will be dealt with more quickly than the admins here dealt with this one, and the many others before it. Cheers, Neil. Jeffpw 15:52, 8 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Any more socks appear, let me know, and they will be blocked with the quickness. Neil   ☎  09:28, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

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Hey, Peeps, it's that time of the month again (no not that time – get your mind out of the gutter): time for another monthly edition of the LGBT Project's Love Boat newsletter from your cruise director Miss Julie. So much has been happening this month and I just can't wait to tell you all about it!!!

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Alice and her harasser
Let's start with some good news: Alice and the project lost the bothersome sock puppet who had been disrupting many articles we monitor, and now most of us can edit in relative peace. Congratulations, Alice, for being able to come out of semi-retirement. Benjiboi, on the other hand, has gained an anonymous IP stalker who seems to be more Catholic than the Pope and who has a hard-on for the Sisters of Perpetual Indulgence. We seem to have a sort of Yin and Yang thing going on here, which helps both to keep us in balance and on our toes.

Harry Potter and his homosexual teacher
Albus Dumbledore got outed this month, and was immediately adopted by our project. The international brouhaha surrounding this disclosure reached all the way to Wikiland, and his article was briefly locked due to homophobic vandalism (as well as well meaning editors who just couldn't believe that that nice man could possibly be gay). This is a wonderful article to add to your watchlist, and will surely give you hours of reverting fun on cold winter days.

"My Fellow Americans"
On a more serious note, Fireplace has suggested a new article series about LGBT rights in the United States, state by state. This ambitious topic will surely require many editors and a lot of research, but has the potential to add further prestige to our already prestigious project.

Same name, same sexuality: a riddle for the ages
Francis Bacon (not the new gay one, but the old gay one ... though they're actually both dead, now that I think about it) has also aroused passions here on Wikipedia, with editors opposing his sexuality being disclosed in his biography. The always helpful Haiduc has thoughtfully provided any number of sources, but it is slow going getting his point across. Anyone want to lend a hand?

Beat writer arouses Irish guy
And speaking of passions, Jack Kerouac has inflamed the senses once again with editors, including administrator Irishguy, mounting a spirited defense to keep him as heterosexual as possible for Wikipedia purposes. Why? I don't know. Perhaps some of you can drop by the talk page and ask your questions there. I feel certain a stimulating debate will ensue that will be enjoyed by all.

Love those Texas Longhorns
Did you know that one of our Featured articles, Lawrence v. Texas, lost its shiny gold star? That was a shocker. It has been suggested that we turn our attention to it in an effort to restore it to its former glory. I took a peek, and it does need our help badly. For our American editors, it would seem almost a civic duty to edit it (not that I'm hinting....).

Point and Counterpoint
Though it was far too intellectual a debate for a mere cruise director like myself to take part in, Intersexuality was certainly a hot topic a week or two ago. The thrust of the debate was over inclusion in our project. Lots of good editors had lots of good opinions. For those too lazy to check out the discussion, we decided to leave it out for now.

Drudgery on offer
Peer review is, as always, short staffed and seemingly unloved. Wouldn't you feel better about yourself and the world in general if you took a few minutes to read one of the listed articles and offer some helpful advice? I know I'd feel better if you did.
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"My Fellow Americans" redux
The article LGBT movements in the United States certainly raised eyebrows last week, especially when it was discovered that copyrighted content had been added to our article. Tragedy was averted at the last minute, though, when the original hosts of the article where the material had been pilfered agreed to make it free to everyone. Our thanks to them, whoever they are. Busy Bee that I am, I haven't had time to read it, but I'm sure it's sensational.

This month's Wiki stars
Lesbian pulp fiction (a genre close to my heart, I must confess) writer Ann Bannon has decided to spice up the featured articles candidates list this month. Why not drop by and make your opinion heard? Joining her in this lofty aspiration are the articles But I'm a Cheerleader and Conversion therapy. I'm sure their main editors would welcome any comments (well, helpful ones, anyway) on the talk pages or the FAC discussions. And lest we forget, the List of gay, lesbian or bisexual people: Sd-Si became a Featured list!! Rah rah, siskumbah! Go, team, GO!!!!

And the Oscar goes to...
Not content to run for Best Actress, plucky Bannon won a Best supporting actress Oscar... whoops, I meant to say Ann is also getting more than her share of womanly attention on the Good Article list. Joining her on this exalted plane are Freddy Mercury, Waylon Smithers and Lance Bass. Good articles indeed, and the last one mentioned just goes to show that one needn't admire the subject of an article to appreciate the effort put into making him worthwhile reading. What on earth Britney ever saw in him I'll never know. Truly a riddle cloaked in an enigma and wrapped around a puzzle.

Fresh faces to brighten our pages
Though I may not be the first, let me extend a warm, LGBT Love Boat welcome to the 12 new members who joined us in October: Jliberty, JockCub360, ChristopherEdwards, Desiderius82, Zlrussell, Kelsied, BeardedWoof, Mujerado, Tyrfing, Fabgurrl, Redl@nds597198, and decafdyke! Whatever you choose to do here, I feel sure that your contributions will enhance our project to no end. And if they don't...well, let's just say that I'm not shy.

Leather and lace
On a personal note, your already overworked cruise director is being cyberly whipped almost daily by Nemissimo, who desperately wants to get the German BDSM translation copy edited and used as a replacement for the current one. It's such a ... err, stimulating topic that I am sure many of you will want to join the copy editing fun. Jump right in, folks! It's so lonely copy editing it all by my lonesome!

Late breaking news
A little birdie just whispered in my ear that our noble collaboration project was delisted from the Community Portal due to inactivity. When asked how this scandalous turn of events could have occurred, the answer I received was "we suck at stuff like that". Well. In the first place, I disagree that sucking should be considered a negative, but to each his or her own. In the second place, I have full confidence that we can and will collaborate with other projects in the future. So let's not view this as a setback (even though it is), but rather a challenge to improve (and good Lord, I sound almost Wikipedian!).

Champagne dreams and caviar kisses
Lastly, the holidays are rapidly approaching. Our American cousins are currently getting ready to slaughter masses of poultry in an effort to show their gratitude and generally peaceful demeanor, and those of the Canadian persuasion, trendsetters that they are, celebrated a bit early this year. I'm sure all us foreigners will join together in wishing them all a very happy Thanksgiving on their respective holidays, both already celebrated and forthcoming... though I would hope somebody would enlighten me as to why they don't celebrate it on the same day. I was awake all last night trying to figure that one out. - In the spirit of this peculiarly North American holiday, let me take a moment to thank all of our editors for their contributions to this project. It's people like you who make people like me...well, a "people person"! May all your Wiki days be bright, and may your Love Boat never turn into a Poseidon.
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Kisses,

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of course
Email me any time. I just sent one to the last address I had on file for you. ··coe l acan 09:17, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

Andre Douzet
Yes, Andre Douzet is still alive.Wfgh66 (talk) 11:59, 18 November 2007 (UTC)
 * You wouldn't know it from the article, and that's precisely the point that I was making. :) Either the article needs to be rapidly brought up to scratch or it needs to be deleted, as the consensus currently appears to be heading towards. If someone wants to prove notability, provide refs, etc, they can always start again in the future. --AliceJMarkham (talk) 12:05, 18 November 2007 (UTC)

cleavage article
A see also template to breast implants and Tissue expansion might make sense. Even though the focus of the article is for temp purposes we could direct those interested to other articles for that info. Benjiboi 23:35, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
 * I am inclined to agree with the idea of adding a link to Breast implants, but tissue expansion, with the exception of foreskin restoration, is about inserting an inflatable device under the skin and gradually stretching the skin.


 * Looking at what has been adding, it looks about on par with enlarging a penis using a penis pump (that article also contains unreferenced statements) or using herbal pills or creams to try to increase bust size. There are no reliable sources cited to show that it is anything more. I also note that adding this to articles is all that the user has done, making me suspicious that it may be spam and quite possibly a WP:COI issue. --AliceJMarkham (talk) 01:40, 28 November 2007 (UTC)


 * I'll leave it with you. Penis pump - ewww, I learned something. Benjiboi 01:52, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
 * LOL. Yep. Remember that wikipedia is not censored. There's some gross stuff in here. :)


 * I've added breast implants to the external links of cleavage enhancement and I'm still thinking on how to slot a reference to it into the text. I've added a fact tag to tissue expansion and explained why in its talk page. Now it's a case of wait and see. :) --AliceJMarkham (talk) 02:19, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

Essay
Thanks for the copyedits on the essay, much obliged. Any comments on the content, or can I assume this is tactic endorsement of my genius? I'll also take silence on this page as a tactic endorsement of my genius. I've low standards. WLU (talk) 01:08, 30 November 2007 (UTC)
 * You're welcome. The only concern that I have about your essay is that many newbies simply won't read that long an article. After all, you know what the attention span of a child is like, right? :) --AliceJMarkham (talk) 04:31, 30 November 2007 (UTC)
 * That's an excellent point. I may try breaking it into several shorter articles which don't have to be read all at once.  Thanks for the feedback.  WLU 19:08, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

Buttock augmentation
I want to no how that has anything to do with Queers. I mean some strait people do it.New4325 22:06, 2 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Gee, the article seems pretty clear to me. Perhaps you should reread it. And may I ask how you are using the term "queer"? It can seem like an offensive attack to someone who doesn't know you. Jeffpw 22:37, 2 December 2007 (UTC)
 * I do think the addition is a bit odd, as the procedure is fairly rare even among non-transgendered people. It's frowned by a lot of medical prefessionals who administer HRT, as the buttocks changes shape quite often after SRS.  This can lead to an overly large or misshapen derriere.  But some people have had this augmentation done, so it's relevant to the article. Glamrockboy (talk) 12:36, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

New4235 blocked for 1 week
The edits and  are enough, in my opinion. POV-pushing is one thing, but repeated personal attacks pushing that POV are another. Tonywalton | Talk 00:09, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

LGBT WikiProject newsletter
Delivered on 20:05, 3 December 2007 (UTC). SatyrBot 20:27, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

Happy Holidays
  You got a Christmas card! → → →

thank you
Thank you for having me updated about that. Yes, I've been less active recently due to my graduation from college as well as the block of wikipedia by Chinese government which brings me great trouble accessing wiki. I'd like to join the project, but not sure if i can keep as active as i used to be. Again, thanks for your invitation and have a very happy new year. ^^ --User:Yacht (talk) 16:52, 30 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Happy new year to you, too. :) You're welcome to join even if you aren't editing very often. I am also not currently editing as often or as much as I have at other times. --AliceJMarkham (talk) 00:26, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

Auto-archiving talk pages?
Hi AliceJMarkham, happy holidaze and ho ho ho and all that! Wasn't there some page you and I disagreed about auto-archiving? I think I have a possible solution. Benjiboi 00:32, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Happy wotzit, etc. :) I don't remember exactly which article it was. I tend to like the idea of archiving talk pages when they get unwieldy due to excessive number of old sections, but I'm lazy so I prefer automated archiving. :)


 * I feel your pain! If we we figure out which one it is I think we could utilize the resolved template and use an auto-archiving of any thread with that on it. It would still take a bit of work but could help clean off the unique items that editors often drop onto talk pages for various reasons. Benjiboi 11:15, 1 January 2008 (UTC)
 * That's the auto archiving used on AN/I, isn't it? Makes a lot of sense. I'd say that that would be a good idea on a lot of more active article talk pages. --AliceJMarkham (talk) 05:56, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
 * As far as I can tell ANI has there's set for a short time span. Benjiboi 21:48, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
 * If it's resolved, it could be archived fairly quickly. In the case of a talk page, I'd still probably still leave that at say 30 days so that people can get a chance to see it before it's archived. What I meant by the comment about AN/I is that I was asking if that was the criteria used to select sections for archiving. "Only archive if tagged resolved." --AliceJMarkham (talk) 00:01, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

Email
Hey, I got your email, but it had been inexplicably moved to my trash folder - must have been mixed in with a lot of deeply moving stuff about interest rates. :) Will look into it now. Dev920 (Have a nice day!) 11:30, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Thank you very much. --AliceJMarkham (talk) 00:01, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

LGBT WikiProject Newsletter
Delivered sometime in January 2008 (UTC). SatyrBot (talk) 23:14, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

Buttock augmentation
By the way, I just love the irony of the expand tag on this article. Benjiboi 10:33, 28 January 2008 (UTC)


 * LOL. I hadn't even though about that. --AliceJMarkham (talk) 01:17, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

Cosmetics
Hello there. Quick question...someone pointed out that you added the LGBT tag to this article. I was questioning if cosmetics really belongs since the article doesn't really mention anything related to LGBT topics. Thoughts? If you want, you can respond on the discussion page in the link I added. Gracias. AgnosticPreachersKid (talk) 22:52, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

Mara Keisling
Do you have any desire to write this article? She is coming to speak here in NYC; unfortunately, I leave for Brazil that night. -- David  Shankbone  21:10, 28 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Sorry, but I've got a lot happening right now, and all I'm doing on wiki at the moment is vandalism reversion and minor corrections. --AliceJMarkham (talk) 22:52, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

LGBT WikiProject Newsletter
Delivered by SatyrBot around 17:14, 3 March 2008 (UTC) SatyrBot (talk) 17:15, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

could you please do me a favor?
Hello,

I am a master student at the Institute of Technology Management, National Tsing Hua University, Taiwan. Currently I am wrapping up my master thesis titled “Can Wikipedia be used for knowledge service?” In order to validate the knowledge evolution maps of identified users in Wikipedia, I need your help. I have generated a knowledge evolution map to denote your knowledge activities in Wikipedia according to your inputs including the creation and modification of contents in Wikipedia, and I need you to validate whether the generated knowledge evolution map matches the knowledge that you perceive you own it. Could you please do me a favor?


 * 1) 	I will send you a URL link to a webpage on which your knowledge evolution map displays. Please assign the topic (concept) in the map to a certain cluster on the map according to the relationship between the topic and clusters in your cognition, or you can assign it to ‘none of above’ if there is no suitable cluster.
 * 2) 	I will also send a questionnaire to you. The questions are related to my research topic, and I need your viewpoints about these questions.

The deadline of my thesis defense is set by the end of June, 2008. There is no much time left for me to wrap up the thesis. If you can help me, please reply this message. I will send you the URL link of the first part once I receive your response. The completion of my thesis heavily relies much on your generous help.

Sincerely

J n W talk 07:41, 2 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Hello, here is the link


 * Pretest webpage


 * If you have any question during pretest, please contact me.


 * Please finish it before 25 June. Thanks a lot. :)


 * J n W talk 14:21, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

Hello,

just remind you to finish test as soon as possible. It won't take you too much time. Thanks :)

J n W talk 10:05, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

I've just read your message. Could you provide your operation system version and browser version for me? I'll try to find out the problem. Thanks a lot. :)

J n W talk 04:55, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

Humm, it seems that is because firefox 2 doesn't integrated with Java 6 very well. Maybe you can both update your firefox to version 3 and Java 6 to the latest update. Now I am using Firefox 3 and everything is quite OK.

J n W talk 14:01, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

Hello, the questionnaire is completed. Link:

evaluation questionnaire

thanks for doing this questionnaire, and I hope that you will feel interested about this. :)

J n W talk 03:59, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

Hi, just remind you to complete the questionnaire.

My thesis's oral defense is on next Wednesday. So please complete it as early as you can. I believe it would just take you 5 miniutes. Thanks a lot. :)

J n W talk 08:12, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

LGBT WikiProject Newsletter
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Hello, members and friends of WP:LGBT! I'm not one to be writing newsletters, but I miss our cruise director, Miss Julie, and our project is drifting along with a few leaking plugs in the bottom of the boat. Hey, it happens. Every group we join goes through changes. If Wikipedia weren't so interesting it wouldn't also be so frustrating sometimes. And vice versa. More than one Wikiproject has tumbleweeds blowing through it, but this is one that can't afford to let that happen. Even if you pop in to the talk page of the project, you can let us know you're still around.

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WP:LGBT's Role in HIV / AIDS articles
It wouldn't be a proper gay community without a li'l bit o' drama! That's right. If we aren't arguing about something, then we should be asking if we're still queer. Maybe that's for the best, since we know we're still kicking. Our most recent topic is how far the role of our project should go in dipping our toes into HIV/AIDS articles. The main AIDS article was delisted as a Featured Article last month, sadly. (Sending a swift kick to WP:Medicine.) A spirited discussion is available for your entertainment on the WP:LGBT talk page about just how much of HIV and AIDS should we take on. As ever, we'll take your opinions under advisement. We're going to have to, because it doesn't seem to have been settled.

Is Pride POV?
We have a pretty cool sidebar that identifies core LGBT articles. Its symbol is the iconic gay pride flag, much like other Wikiprojects have iconic symbols denoting the topic is a core subject in a series of articles. However, a question recently arose asking if the symbol itself is not neutral. Should a pride flag show up at the top of the article on Conversion therapy? How else would anyone know the article is about queer issues? Is there another symbol that is as widely recognized and that includes all our many splintered facets? At what point do we stop asking ourselves all these questions and just go have a mint julep on the verandah and stop caring?

Harvey Milk and Jim Jones
For the love of all that is holy, no Kool Aid jokes. However, an editor involved in pioneering San Francisco Supervisor Harvey Milk's article has included a section about the late supervisor's support of Jim Jones and the People's Temple. While it may be accurate, there is a Request for Comment regarding how much emphasis the section places on Milk's support in light of his overall political influence on the city, and indeed the rest of the United States. Milk's article is a sad one in more ways than one. It lacks the detail and heart that honors its subject. Anyone want to do a barter with me? I'll bring Harvey Milk to featured status (give me a month or two so I can read stuff), if you do something of equal value to WP:LGBT?? Make me an offer...

Queer Studies is offensive!
The established branch of study known as Queer studies was brought up as an category for deletion because an editor was offended by the use of "queer" in the title. It was overwhelmingly rejected mostly by the usernames I see here on our Wikiproject page. (A clue that I know you are out there, hiding...biding your time...) So, I wish I could congratulate you, but now I'm all confused by my sympathy for the editor who was offended. So, if you're reading this, Moni has a short memory and can't remember your username. Don't be put off by our demonstrative pushiness. Join us. We can always use involved editors.

Lambda Literary Awards
What can you do to help the project out? Be a wiki-fairy, on many levels. There are all kinds of articles that need help. Why, just this morning I removed those ugly wikify and cleanup tags from four articles at random. If you can put  around stuff, you can clean up articles. There's a list of articles that need attention at the top of the WP:LGBT talk page. Or you can start with the Lambda Literary Awards, where the goddess of my altar received a pioneering award, and was "reduced to rubble" by Katherine V. Forrest's wonderful speech. The 20th ceremony of the Lambda Literary Awards, which celebrates LGBT literature, took place in West Hollywood on May 29th. The page needs to be updated with the new winners, to be found on the official website.


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Yeshayahu Leibowitz, Arthur C. Clarke and Bernard Montgomery
Why on earth would someone want to delete material about homosexuality? 'Tis truly a mystery. But these embattled articles have some random evil gnomes removing information that places these folks under our queer umbrella. Help us keep an eye out for the deletions. Take a peek at the articles, familiarize yourselves with the info, and be handy with the undo function in the article history. If tempers flare, take it to the Hall monitors and let them sort it out. Best solution is to make sure your sources are immaculate.

This month's Wiki stars
This is what I get for opening my big fat mouth and suggesting the newsletter should be revived. Here I am writing it. So, to pat self on back (*cough*) Mulholland Dr. became a featured article in May. This is A Good Thing since it is my personal declaration that there is no such thing as lesbian porn. I don't care what Benjiboi says about the video collection at goodvibes. Instead, we have hot women who connect on a deep, personal, soul-touching level, so this film should qualify as some of the skankiest porn available for lesbians. Plus, it's completely confusing and surreal! D'you think Laura Harring would care that the article is featured? I don't think so either... (Call me, Laura!)

Compulsive hoarding of templates
Once I saw a harrowing episode of Animal Planet's Animal Cops where this guy had, like, 250 cats in his house and it freaked me right out. I'm drawing a parallel between 250 cats and, well...three, really, templates in articles involving LGBT issues. Can we stick to one, maybe? In the aforementioned Harvey Milk's article there's a core LGBT template, a link to the LGBT portal, and a sidebar for LGBT rights. Jiminy! You'd think we weren't the folk to set industrial grey carpeting and track lighting in vogue. An LGBT footer was designed to link to articles of interest that aren't the aforementioned core articles. What do you think, can we have either an LGBT template for core articles, a footer for LGBT articles that are high profile but not core, or an LGBT rights template? As ever, anything's up for discussion on the WP:LGBT talk page.

The Violet Quill and magazines
Zigzig20s suggests we create an article on The Violet Quill, as it seems such a milestone in the advancement of gay/queer literature. Members of the Quill all have pages of their own (Edmund White, Christopher Cox, Robert Ferro, Michael Grumley, Andrew Holleran, Felice Picano, and George Whitmore). We need to find more info on the Quill per se to reference the page that we create. Perhaps Google Books - and libraries? - can help.

A number of magazines also need articles, perhaps most notably QW, LGNY, and Lesbian Feminist Liberation.

Mom's nagging for Pride Month
It's June, Pride month. Wear sunscreen, stay hydrated, get a designated driver, then go half-dressed in the streets find a girlfriend or boyfriend, or some homo who's standing there looking lonely and kiss 'em up real good. Remember, it all started 39 years ago when a bunch of drag queens just got fed the f*ck up by the cops raiding the bar and dragging them all out to the pokey again. Rock on, queens! Enjoy your celebrations. My town's is in October, and 200 people attend. I miss Denver.

Fresh faces to brighten our pages
Hey, I've seen you around! Sorry there seem to be so many—it's been a while. But we welcome you all: Cheezisyum21, Taineyah, Dustihowe, Avesta69, RachelSummers77, Vivekgopinathan, AMK1211, Staffwaterboy, Ted Ted, Joe5150, Leahtwosaints, Robapalooza, Arthomure, Confusionball, Affinity likely, PrinceOfCanada, Yobmod, Npd2983, Neagley, Bvlax2005, Bvlax2005, Rhullsf, Textorus, Kieran.casey, Tyciol, Meojive, Sappho'd, Bookkeeperoftheoccult,  Gaywarrior, Aujourd'hui, maman est morte, and Balin42632003.

It looks like we've picked up a lot of talent lately. We have no doubt you'll be making your indelible mark on LGBT knowledge as we know it, here at Wikipedia.

- In the immortal words of Miss Julie, "May all your Wiki days be bright, and may your Love Boat never turn into a Poseidon."
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We miss you, Miss Julie, as well as all the others who have graced our project and are on wiki-breaks or just got fed up with all the nuttiness and went to live their lives. Get your stupid houses built and hurry up and come back. --Moni3 (talk) 16:52, 9 June 2008 (UTC) To stop receiving this newsletter, or to receive it in a different format, please let us know here. If you have any news or any announcements to be broadcast, do let Moni3 know.
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Thank you so very much
Dear Alice,

We have been through a lot together, and your words of consolation mean the world to me. Thank you from the bottom of my heart. I am not in state to do any actual editing, but answering condolence messages gives me peace and solace. You've always been a good friend to me, and your support in this time helps me be strong for the coming difficult time. with much love, Jeffpw (talk) 10:08, 29 June 2008 (UTC)
 * You're very welcome. It's nice to know that people all over the world, who you've never met, genuinely care for you. --AliceJMarkham (talk) 12:47, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

LGBT WikiProject Newsletter (July 2008)

 * Newsletter delivery by xenobot  12:44, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

Your Youtube Settings


Hello you remember me from the article Passing (gender). We are about to squabble over finding a reliable source for the fact that the word reading is used in the way I am writing of. I have but the problem is you can't hear it. First off I want to broaden your horizons by introducing you to the following.

The entire movie "Paris is Burning" broken into 11 parts and on Youtube.

The pertinent part of the movie to the article.

What I would like to discuss is just why you can't hear these video's? I mean tell me about your set up and mabey it can be trouble shot. --Hfarmer (talk) 01:14, 15 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I doubt it. I'm running the browser on one linux computer and displaying it on another. It just doesn't seem to want to pass audio across. Hopefully the problem will go away when I have time to do a scratch install on my desktop machine so that the browser will run there. I'm too busy with work to have the time. --AliceJMarkham (talk) 08:10, 15 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Hmm Might I ask are you doing it by VNC, ssh, or XDMCP? I am pretty sure the sound can go over XDMCP and ssh but it take allot of bandwidth.  :-? Your right probably the simplest thing to do is just wait until you can get it on your pc.  Trust me about those vids though they say what I wrote they say.--Hfarmer (talk) 10:27, 15 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm using ssh. I'll get there eventually. :) I'm not doubting what you say in the slightest. In fact, I can actually see the relationship between the extra meaning that you added and the existing one in the article, in that the ball meaning is something of a parody of the abusive confrontational behaviour that TG people sometimes experience when read by a bigot. It would be interesting to find more information on the origin of the ball meaning, because it might ultimately be the same origin as the other meaning. --AliceJMarkham (talk) 11:26, 15 August 2008 (UTC)
 * It can be a paraody of that kind of abuse when it is done among good friends or people who are in the same house. (Kind of like people of the same race, or good friends of people who are the same race using racial slurs with eachother.)  However when used against someone you don't know that well or don't like you can get really nasty.  I am sure something like this is in your experience.
 * I also looked up what I could find about using SSH to play sound. There seems to be no really simple way to do it. :-(  --Hfarmer (talk) 18:39, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

Note to self
ROTFLMAO. Chinese version of Cleavage (breasts) is %E4%B9%B3%E6%BA%9D. Translation using google indicates no realisation that they've used a crossdresser's cleavage as the lead image of the article. I guess it's convincing :) --AliceJMarkham (talk) 11:26, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

Brassiere images resizing
I intended to make the images a consistent size, not smaller, by adding the 140px dimension to them. I should have used a larger dimension. In reverting my change, you also removed a new image I'd added. -- btphelps (talk) (contribs) 18:37, 13 November 2008 (UTC)
 * I have my default size set to 300px, so setting any fixed size forces them to be smaller. Besides, the default is 180 so 140 made them smaller. If you want images to display larger for you, go to my preferences, click the Files tab and change your Thumbnail size setting. --AliceJMarkham (talk) 01:38, 14 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Further, "upright" images are supposed to be scaled differently to normal images, and fixed sizes are not desirable unless to resolve a specific problem with a page, per WP:MOS. Oh, and I can't see relevance of a photo of someone not wearing a bra to an article on bras. --AliceJMarkham (talk) 01:43, 14 November 2008 (UTC)

Quitting isn't an option
Well, it is, but its usually not the best one. I can understand being consumed with emotion when a subject which directly affects you is under discussion, but its better to take a deep breath, or wp:wikibreak and actively take the time to further educate people about your point of view. If we quit everytime we become disheartened, women would still be owned as property, neither women, nor minorities would have the right to vote and homosexuality would still be classified as a mental disease. Have patience, have faith. :) The Bookkeeper   (of the Occult)  05:52, 21 November 2008 (UTC)


 * hugs* WP wouldn't be the same without you. I hope you'll come back. Queerudite (talk) 01:34, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

Confusion
I noticed that you were confused by Hfarmer's casual reference to "AJ". is Andrea James, one of the principal transgender activists involved in the Bailey scandal. James is the person that posted photos of Bailey's children with humiliating comments as a way of attacking Bailey. (See this partial page, for example.) It's generally safe to assume that any references to "AJ" in the discussions are to this editor, and that the obvious conflict of interest is a regular topic of concern. (It feels some days like we have Karl Rove editing George W. Bush.)

I hope that you will continue to be involved in discussions on those pages. WhatamIdoing (talk) 07:05, 29 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Thanks for that. There is absolutely nothing on that talk page to indicate a connection between Jokestress and the initials AJ. Even if that is the editor's real name, that is not the name they use on wikipedia, so using those initials is not only confusing but I believe that at best it's poor form and at worst it's inapproriate and disrespectful.


 * I've been involved in discussions on that talk page for about a year now, and I've been on the receiving end of a number of personal attacks from HFarmer. I believe that the neutral position is between the two proponents, but considerably closer to Jokestress's position than to HFarmer's. I'm actually more concerned with HFarmer's ownership issues with that article, her apparent conflict of interest through being an active supporter of the term and her general belligerence towards and outright personal attacks on anyone who disagrees with her position.


 * After HFarmer's 2nd response in the "AJ?" section of that talk page, I've begun reading up on the process involved in requesting editing restrictions including topic bans and civility restrictions. --AliceJMarkham (talk) 07:45, 29 November 2008 (UTC)

Shemale
Just to be clear I had added cleavage enhancement because many people are called shemale even though they may be in any stage of transitioning or even simply cross-dressing. As I've rewritten the lede it no longer is imperative but the definition is quite broad and the usages are seemingly infinite. I've also thrown out the odd quoting about it being only a heterosexual term as I think that was misrepresenting that source. I didn't see where Cantor had changed it but it was messy so I hope it works better now. -- Banj e b oi   03:21, 14 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Fair enough, but cleavage enhancement doesn't give the person female breasts, which is what the sentence said. If it said something more along the lines of having the "appearance of female breasts" or "female breasts or the illusion thereof", it might work.


 * You're right about almost infinite definitions. There isn't a single "current" definition. --AliceJMarkham (talk) 03:48, 14 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Cheers. I've been neglecting almost all of my watchlist so feel free to ping me on my talk if you need anything. Happy holidays and all that there! -- Banj e b oi   04:19, 14 December 2008 (UTC)


 * I've been doing very little on wiki recently except for reverting vandalism. Way too much happening for me right now. Maybe in about a month (haha)... Happy xmas/new year, etc. :) --AliceJMarkham (talk) 06:18, 14 December 2008 (UTC)


 * I've tried to rework the entire shemale so the lede sentence is clear it's generally a disparaging term - hope this works. With that reworking some issues like including cleavage enhancement have been resolved.
 * Happy ho-ho-holidays to as well! -- Banj e b oi   21:25, 21 December 2008 (UTC)

Pronouns?
Have you considered clarifying on your user page that you wish to be referred to with feminine pronouns? I have been referring to you as female simply based on "Alice" being a feminine name, but when I re-read your user page, I became unsure as to your wishes, since you honestly identify yourself as being a male who cross-dresses as female. Do you prefer feminine pronouns? I do not wish to offend you. I just became confused, so I thought I'd ask. --Malkinann (talk) 19:45, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Done. You're obviously not the only one who has been thus confused. Gender identity is a minefield, and for now I'll just make it clear that I consider myself to be female rather than trying to explain to people that I have two separate gender identities and that I alternate between the two. This account specifically represents only my female gender identity. --AliceJMarkham (talk) 00:03, 18 December 2008 (UTC)
 * That's clearer, thanks Alice. :) I would tend to put more emphasis on the correct behaviour rather than on the offensive behaviour ("Please refer to me using feminine pronouns (her, she etc.), as I find masculine pronouns to be offensive.) - might be worth a thought, carrot before stick and all that jazz. --Malkinann (talk) 10:56, 19 December 2008 (UTC)
 * You know, I just assume that anyone who gives herself the username 'Alice' will not be distressed to be referred to as 'she.' On the internet, no one can see your genitals... unless, of course, you post pictures. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 12:27, 19 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Oh, ew! XD Alice, in a way, telling people you will be highly offended if they call you as male might give people ideas - they know that you will be offended if they say it, so they say it. --Malkinann (talk) 20:27, 19 December 2008 (UTC)


 * FQ, there is the counter-example of Alice Cooper. :) In some ways, I'm tempted to leave it that way because anyone who goes out of their way to read it and then deliberately insult me is probably heading towards blockable or banable behaviour anyway, and that would reinforce it. On the other hand, you're right, I shouldn't encourage them to stuff beans up their nose. :) I'll have a go at rewording it. --AliceJMarkham (talk) 09:11, 20 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Thanks Alice! :) What you've got now sounds really good - it's clear about your wishes, even for dummies like me. ;) --Malkinann (talk) 20:43, 20 December 2008 (UTC)
 * I agree; the revision won't stop vandals from insulting you (of course, nothing does), but it is worded in a way that's clear and non-confusing even for people who don't know how complicated the gender spectrum can get. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 21:47, 20 December 2008 (UTC)
 * It's sad that being open and honest is such a problem. The wording was mostly unchanged for over 2 years before a certain (apparently transsexual) editor decided to use it to abuse me. By the way FQ, do you think that this implied legal threat and this restatement of it should be reported? --AliceJMarkham (talk) 23:02, 20 December 2008 (UTC)


 * To me, that does seem borderline at best, maybe ask at Wikiquette alerts. IMHO, HFarmer has been personalizing - both of themselves and other editors - a lot of the content and editing issues making subjects about gender and sexuality even more stressful. -- Banj e b oi   21:22, 21 December 2008 (UTC)

(indent reset) To be honest, I've reached the point where I usually won't get involved in editing subjects where Hfarmer is active. I know that I should do the exact opposite but there's a virtual guarantee of being personally attacked every time, and I'm not prepared to deal with that at the moment. --AliceJMarkham (talk) 23:08, 21 December 2008 (UTC)
 * I share this concern, and generally, the plan of action. -- Banj e b oi   20:47, 22 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Oh brother banjieboi could you point me to where I attacked you? (I am unsure of how yo spell your name as it appears different in editing mode "Benjiboi".  Is that what you consider an attack?  Or are you talking about the thing which even you admited was misinterpretation on your part...when I called your haivng been topic banned specious and defended you.)


 * Alice as you have seen above an honest person could have read what you wrote about yourself and got the feeling that you should be called by male pronouns. What you have now is very clear and you should have written earlier.


 * As for assuming from persons names. A while back on here their was a editor who went by MariontheLibrarian.  When I refered to Marion as she.  He was insulted and argued with me that Marion was a manly name.  I Imagine the same could happen to someone named leslie. I never assume.--Hfarmer (talk) 23:22, 5 January 2009 (UTC)
 * My concern is solely with avoiding stress when I already deal with a fair amount of it from other sources here. -- Banj e  b oi   23:56, 5 January 2009 (UTC)


 * I understand that. I just wanted a pointer to what I have said to you that was insulting.  I have only ever responeded to people who went at me first.  Except possibly this thing with alice which was as I explained was an honest mistake.  Which I responed to at the time by pointing out that on her talk page she refers to herself as male.  That IMO would in most circumstances trump any other assumptions or statements.  People have all kinds of odd names.--Hfarmer (talk) 00:04, 6 January 2009 (UTC)


 * What you've said that is insulting is to refer to not only my name but my gender identity as "fantasy". I'm not a transvestic fetishist. I live a significant part of my social life as a woman and I find it insulting to be told that because I'm not a post-op TS, my gender identity is fantasy. --AliceJMarkham (talk) 00:53, 10 January 2009 (UTC)
 * I stand up for non-op's all the time and never called you a fetishist. You called yourself a heterosexual male crossdresser which is something a transsexual would never do. Nor is a transsexual a "female persona of a male bodied person".  Your female gender identity is something you escape into for fun.  You spend a part of your social life as a female.  Transsexuals, regardless of how you sort us, spend ALL of our time as women and alter our bodies irreversibly.  As I once said such that even laying naked in bed we look like women, becuse we are women, and not as you described yourself "crossdressers", who spend part of our social lives as women.  We don't put down two answers on the questionaire one as a male and the other as a female.


 * I take offence to and find it highly intrusive and uncivil that somenone who by their own admission enjoy's male privilage in our society all the time that they are not spending "part of their social life as a woman" feels a need to colonize the identity of transsexual women. That invasion is the height of incivility.


 * I will call you female as long as you are Alice Markham on here since you have made that clear its what you want. But know this unless you are full time you are not a transsexual woman.  You can't have your cake and eat it two.--Hfarmer (talk) 03:29, 12 January 2009 (UTC)

RFC/USER discussion concerning you (AliceJMarkham)
Hello, AliceJMarkham. Please be aware that a request for comments has been filed concerning your conduct on Wikipedia. The RFC entry can be found by your name in this list, and the actual discussion can be found at Requests for comment/AliceJMarkham, where you may want to participate. -- Hfarmer (talk) 03:53, 12 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Note that in this RfC all users involved will be scrutinized so some sort of counterfiling is not necessary.--Hfarmer (talk) 03:56, 12 January 2009 (UTC)

Thanks
Thanks for the grammar fix. Sometimes I wish it was easier to find ones own mistake, I tend to read what I thought I'd written instead of the actual letters, especially when I've rewritten something a few times. PaleAqua (talk) 17:00, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

Condolences
My condolences on your friend passing, I hope the peace we all deserve will be found in their memory and that you and yours will honor their spirit in whatever ways seem most appropriate. -- Banj e b oi   12:42, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

WikiProject LGBT studies Newsletter (June 2009)

 * Newsletter delivery by xenobot  17:09, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

DarlieB
Hi Alice. You deleted the article I wrote and then asked if anyone in the LGBT wki page knew me to write the article. This got dumped into the archives with your request. Unfortunately it turns up on search and I'm hoping you can delete that from the wiki archives. I've since closed my wiki account and I've made requests to have my info removed from wiki as the association is embarrassing. I'd really appreciate it as I'm actually glad you removed it. It can be found here. Thank you.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_LGBT_studies/Archive_15 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.149.114.34 (talk) 22:59, 1 November 2009 (UTC)


 * I'll see what I can do, but I doubt that I can delete your details from an archive without someone objecting and restoring it. --AliceJMarkham (talk) 23:07, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

Reference desk/Miscellaneous mootch
To: User:AliceJMarkham, User talk:Bearcat, User talk:Fuhghettaboutit, User talk:Jehochman, User talk:Jokestress, and User talk:Pmanderson Hi folks,  While I know that Wikipedia is not a social networking site, I've read edits from each of you and figure that you might have something to contribute to my RD question Being private verses public?. If you can help, I'd greatly appreciate it, though even your attention here is appreciated as well. Thanks.205.189.194.208 (talk) 22:37, 28 July 2010 (UTC)

Merger proposal
''You are receiving this because you have commented on either Autogynephilia, Homosexual transsexual, or Blanchard, Bailey, and Lawrence theory in the past two years; all such commenters have received this notice. It has been proposed to merge these three articles to eliminate WP:Redundancy, WP:UNDUE, WP:POV, and to keep the focus on the specific Blanchardian theory of M2F transsexuality (in contrast to Transsexual sexuality, which would be to focus on the subject in general). Please feel free to comment on the proposal at Talk:Autogynephilia.'' -- 70.57.222.103 (talk) 20:01, 8 September 2010 (UTC)

Merge discussion for Pangender
An article that you have been involved in editing, Genderqueer, has been proposed for a merge with the article Pangender. If you are interested in the merge discussion, please participate by going, and adding your comments on the discussion page. Thank you. --April Arcus (talk) 07:40, 28 August 2013 (UTC)

Wiki Loves Pride 2014
Hi Alice. In case you are not aware, there is an upcoming campaign to improve coverage of LGBT-related topics on Wikipedia, culminating with an international edit-a-thon on June 21. See Wiki Loves Pride 2014 for more information. If you are interested, you might consider creating a page for a major city (or cities!) near you, with a list of LGBT-related articles that need to be created or improved. This would be a tremendous help to Wikipedia and coverage of LGBT culture and history. Thanks for your consideration, and please let me know if you have any questions! -- Another Believer ( Talk ) 15:43, 9 May 2014 (UTC)

Transparent (TV series) vandalism
Hi there! I found your name in the WikiProject LGBT studies and thought that you might be able to help revert vandalist edits to the article Transparent (TV series). Multiple anonymous accounts have lately changed "her" into "him" for a transgender woman. I have reverted several of these edits, and added a remark on the talk page. Would you please look into this, or suggest someone else's help? Thank you in advance. Mark in wiki (talk) 18:54, 3 July 2015 (UTC)

ArbCom elections are now open!
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Wiki Loves Pride 2016
As a participant of WikiProject LGBT studies, you are invited to participate in the third annual Wiki Loves Pride campaign, which runs through the month of June. The purpose of the campaign is to create and improve content related to LGBT culture and history. How can you help?
 * Create or improve LGBT-related Wikipedia pages and showcase the results of your work here
 * Document local LGBT culture and history by taking pictures at pride events and uploading your images to Wikimedia Commons
 * Contribute to an LGBT-related task force at another Wikimedia project (Wikidata, Wikimedia Commons, Wikivoyage, etc.)

Looking for topics? The Tasks page, which you are welcome to update, offers some ideas and wanted articles.

This campaign is supported by the Wikimedia LGBT+ User Group, an officially recognized affiliate of the Wikimedia Foundation. The group's mission is to develop LGBT-related content across all Wikimedia projects, in all languages. Visit the affiliate's page at Meta-Wiki for more information, or follow Wikimedia LGBT+ on Facebook. Remember, Wiki Loves Pride is about creating and improving LGBT-related content at Wikimedia projects, and content should have a neutral point of view. One does not need to identify as LGBT or any other gender or sexual minority to participate. This campaign is about adding accurate, reliable information to Wikipedia, plain and simple, and all are welcome! If you have any questions, please leave a message on the campaign's talk page.

Thanks, and happy editing! --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 19:42, 30 May 2016 (UTC)