User talk:Chzz/Archive 30

That Sheriff Thing :o)
I know you're not 'for' the idea of too many badges, wosnames, suchlikes, and yur comment about 'anyone can keep an eye on a talk page' is clearly true - but on the basis (which I'm sure you'll have seen!) that all the traffic in the vicinity of a marked police car tends to behave very well (i.e. not whizzing past it at 100 mph), a badge on the page itself might actually serve to deter bad behavious. I think. What do you thing about something on the problematic talk pages, just to let peole know they are being watched ..... How 'bout it? Pesky ( talk ) 06:05, 28 March 2011 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure; possibly, I suppose. It would depend on the exact wording. And one worry would be...well, when people get clear of speed-cameras, they tend to speed up. So would the nastiness just go elsewhere? I'm not sure. I suppose it'd be something like the template, but with a badge, saying it was monitored? This sounds like something for Idea lab, probably.  Chzz  ►  12:04, 28 March 2011 (UTC)


 * How about a pic of a pair of eyes (lovely crop I have of an I-think-public-domain wolf would do nicely!) with a caption "This page is being watched by a senior pack member. If you misbehave, you may be bitten!"  Many talk pages just won't attract the kind of nastiness that some do; I suspect that most 'nasties' tend to hang out in particular areas.  I shall take a look at the Idea Lab.  Pesky  ( talk ) 12:09, 28 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Connections to WP:BITE wouldn't be good; I'm not sure about the jokey-nature of "senior pack member" either - some people won't see the funny side. It'll be contentious, no matter what. But yeah; try the ideas lab; get more opinions.  Chzz  ► 12:12, 28 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Yerze, I didn't think of the BITE thing - stoopid or what, lol! I think it would work with just the 'this discussion is being watched idea, though.  I;ve dropped a note on the Sheriff's talk page to see if anyone has any major objections to dropping it onto the Idea Lab.  Now ..... how long shall I give them to scream about that? lol! ... before I do it?  Bearing mind that I am not overly-endowed with patience, but without wanting to leave it for ever.  Pesky  ( talk ) 12:34, 28 March 2011 (UTC)
 * I'd say, a full week. Some (strange!) people only log in once a week, or at weekends.  Chzz  ► 12:37, 28 March 2011 (UTC)

A full week !!!! Since when did you acquire the idea that I had that amount of patience! And I've only just got them talking again, too! (rofl and other juvenile texting stuff like that) Pesky  ( talk ) 14:23, 28 March 2011 (UTC)

I gived 'em 24 hours. Hopefully in a humourous way so they won't come at me with the rolled-up newspapers! Pesky ( talk ) 14:39, 28 March 2011 (UTC)

Cropped Image.....
Chzz,

The image I cropped yesterday on the Waratah, New South Wales page has come up with my version. I've also taken a new image that is located in the infobox. Thanks for trying to help. Adamdaley (talk) 22:36, 28 March 2011 (UTC)


 * So it is all OK now? I think?  Chzz  ► 23:13, 28 March 2011 (UTC)

Rawr
Hey matey; seen this project? I was pointed your way by Kudpung (followed by an immediate headdesk at not thinking of you to begin with). Interested? 21:07, 25 March 2011 (UTC)


 * See Wikipedia_talk:Wiki_Guides  Chzz  ► 22:16, 25 March 2011 (UTC)

Pending Changes Proposal
Since it's long gone from the test page, what is the status of it lately? =) CycloneGU (talk) 15:42, 28 March 2011 (UTC)


 * I think that the core idea will happen - I think it is inevitable - ie, the "trial" will end, and then - somehow - we'll have to come up with a proposed implementation plan which can gain consensus. It ain't gonna be easy. And I don't think the questionnaire idea will help at all, because all it will show is a huge diversity of opinion - plus, it won't allow for discussion. I think it could be a huge waste of time, to be honest - because any conclusions that it does draw are not likely to be of any practical benefit. I don't like the idea of an RfC without allowing discussion to take place. Of course, discussion is incredibly hard to manage - but if the community don't come to an agreement, I think the problems will continue.


 * I suppose, for now, we just have to see about the existing proposal - see what happens. I wish some of the oppose-people would discuss ideas - well, you know that; you can see my frustration in #Consensus.


 * The trial simply has to end, otherwise no progress will be possible. Whether that happens soon, or after more months of waffle, remains to be seen.  Chzz  ► 16:09, 28 March 2011 (UTC)


 * While I agree that the trial is over, I still endorse keeping BLPs currently under PC as such. It is working, why remove it?  I also noted Off2riorob trying to tell a user that he has no right to comment on the discussion; I respect his opinion, but that is a bit standoffish and rude IMO.


 * In any case, I hope the new "delete" userbox above gave you a chuckle. =) CycloneGU (talk) 17:12, 28 March 2011 (UTC)


 * I've already tried to explain why we need to end the trial, over 9000 times. You want it to be used on BLPs? Me too. Right now, we can't - according to policy. There is no policy. And the only possible way to get a policy agreed through consensus, is first to remove it. While it remains on those 950 articles, there's zero chance of getting any agreement - because so many people are so utterly pissed off at being shafted (because the trial never ended, as promised). That's it in a nutshell; I've explained it more in the RfC discussion.


 * Yes, I quite liked the template message :-) Cheers,  Chzz  ► 17:26, 28 March 2011 (UTC)


 * I am consenting of removing it from the non-BLP articles (after all, when a new test is finally approved - or should I say if - I presume they'll choose a new set of articles); however, already-PC BLP articles are in my view a good place to continue ongoing testing until it is determined that pending changes is to be abolished. Again, this is just my opinion, but the non-BLPs I have no issue with removing from because the trial is over.  I speak from experience handling BLP vandalism during the trial and know thus that PC works there.  CycloneGU (talk) 06:28, 29 March 2011 (UTC)
 * I agree with UncleDouggie's response, under your oppose; "You are throwing away any trust to ever experiment with something again on this project because of a misplaced concern about 0.003% of our articles. How does that make any sense?" . I also think you are throwing away any chance of PC being expanded to other articles - because, until this ridiculous 2-month trial is finally put out of its misery, we have zero chance of making progess. If the trial is ended, then we have some chance of making progress.  Chzz  ► 18:50, 29 March 2011 (UTC)
 * To the one extent, the trial is over, yes. The problem I am seeing is that a lot pf people are refusing to talk until PC is removed from every single page that uses it.  Of interest, I actually think I saw PC2 used in a protection situation just last month (February) by an administrator.  So apparently it's still being used by administrators at this very moment.  Now personally, I have no control to the point I can remove PC from articles (or readd it), so in that extent my opinion is just that: an opinion.  Nothing more.  If administrators are instructed to remove it, they remove it and stop using it.  I can't go looking through the articles and remove it (if I can, I have no idea how).  I still think there is no issue with leaving it until a further decision is made; it's the same argument I made for Nail Yakupov before it was userfied to my space, even though he is a lock for Rookie of the Year and others said let's delay this AfD because this will make him truly notable, the closing admin. decided to userfy NEway, only to make me move it back in two weeks once they announce the award.  Yes, maybe I'm crystal-balling a bit here, but the previous winner won it with a very similar performance to Yakupov...and probably not as many goals either.  So back on topic...if it has to be removed, admins. have to do it.  The rest of us just have an opinion.  CycloneGU (talk) 21:41, 29 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Admins have to remove it, yes; but admins do what the community decides they should do. Currently, they haven't got instructions - they don't know if they can use it, if they should remove it, in what cases they can use it, or what. The policy is very unclear; there is no consensus to point to.
 * It is being used - in various ways. You can see that here. You can see all pages it is applied to in Special:StablePages.
 * I can see your 'inevitibility' argument but, it's not gonna happen in a couple of weeks. It might just about happen in a couple of months, if things go swimmingly. So - for the next few months, we need some clear policy, surely. To avoid things like, e.g. an admin using it on Gout just so they can play with the feature, using it on Radio Battalion because they "don't see any consensus not to use it" , or using it with the IAR-card here - and although the latter case had some merit, note it was removed just 2 days later, because PC didn't work out .  Chzz  ► 21:48, 29 March 2011 (UTC)


 * "Hyperion Frobnosticating Endoswitch"? ROFL


 * Yes, I do fully agree that more clear policy is needed; heck, we needed that DURING the trial. I still remember when someone tried applying PC to "Barack Obama" and I stumbled upon one of the many vandalistic edits in the log list; needless to say, the PC was removed very quickly and protection restored (this was before PC2 came up I think).  So I concur that until there are VERY clear policies - ones I'd want an input in, of course, having been one of the first (?) to try it in June - we cannot go about using it willy-nilly wherever we want to.  We need to be clear what articles to protect with it (i.e. not "God", but maybe ones that Stephen Colbert has suggested vandalizing in the past, such as Reality), we need clear guidelines on approving edits (I butted heads with a couple of editors who shot back at me when I advised they approved wrong information or unsourced edits), and we need people who are technically the "experts" on the program that reviewers and those with questions can turn to on the program.  Until things like that are in place, we cannot expand its usage.  I still don't see a problem with keeping it on the BLP articles it's currently on with no further expansion, but I do agree it can otherwise be removed.  Because of my half-and-half opinion, I had to go under oppose when adding my view.  CycloneGU (talk) 22:35, 29 March 2011 (UTC)
 * OK; you've made good points, and I do not wish to pester you. I will respect your view, and won't say any more than one last thing; please, re-read the actual proposal - forget what everyone else is blabbering about - and just read what it actually asks; PCRFC. If your stance is still to 'oppose' that, I will say nothing further about that, out of respect for your consideration and opinion.  Chzz  ► 01:02, 30 March 2011 (UTC)

Hey, I'm not feeling pestered (yet =D), I just have my points regarding the matter. =) I'm a bit occupied ATM, but I may reread it later today or tomorrow.  CycloneGU (talk) 01:36, 30 March 2011 (UTC)


 * Sure - cool; and of course, there is no deadline. My final request was, just to consider the actual proposal - just as it is - forgetting how others may have (mis)interpreted it; that is all..


 * And regardless of any discussion of that... it has been a real pleasure to discuss this with you, in a collegiate manner. Even if you disagree, you've earned my respect. Best,  Chzz  ► 01:42, 30 March 2011 (UTC)


 * Cheers. =) CycloneGU (talk) 02:01, 30 March 2011 (UTC)

Tombs of Via Latina
Wow! I didn't have time to finish the article and someone was working on it. Thanks. Roundtheworld (talk) 19:51, 28 March 2011 (UTC)


 * It's a nice, interesting article - I was pleased with the picture I found. Add a little bit more, and get a Did you know... :-) (It needs to be a little bit longer; about 500 characters - another paragraph should do it)  Chzz  ► 19:53, 28 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Not sure we can use the Tomba di Patron photo. No evidence that it comes from this site. All I can find is Tornando a Roma, si registra un uso diverso, legato alla decorazione sepolcrale, della decorazione di giardino nelle pitture della tomba di Patron, sulla via Latina, oggi perdute ma note attraverso disegni antichi, tranne un frammento conservato al Louvre. La tomba è databile al 30-10 a.C. which to my imperfect Italian says that the tomb has been lost. Roundtheworld (talk) 20:06, 28 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Oh, fair enough; that was my (probably incorrect) assumption. I don't speak much Italian at all, so I was guessing a bit.
 * Let me know of anything specific I can do to help. Have you submitted DYK before? I can help with that, too.  Chzz  ► 20:31, 28 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Hmm...actually, now I've looked a bit more...the references are not good enough for DYK. I don't think a B&B website is a good enough RS. We'd need books and suchlike. I'm sure RS exist, for this topic; if we could add them in the next few days, it could be a DYK.  Chzz  ► 01:12, 30 March 2011 (UTC)

Talk - Back

 * Replied.  Chzz  ► 15:56, 29 March 2011 (UTC)


 * Great ... thanks! Now that I know about this function, I will use it.  Seems pretty handy.  Thanks a lot!   (Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 01:11, 30 March 2011 (UTC))

Task force
Hi Chzz. I notice you haven't signed up  for this. I know you're very  busy and it  may  take up  more of your time, but your input would be most welcome. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 04:03, 29 March 2011 (UTC)


 * Hi. I did look at it, and - I'm sorry...I know your intentions are great, but personally I think that idea, itself, is misguided. Noms "made only by admins", prerequisites for people !voting - that'll make it even more of a clique. Also - I don't think there's a chance of passing any such proposals; others have tried. Sorry; I really am. I'm extremely keen on RfA reform, as you know - I just don't see how that specific plan can work. I hope you'll prove me wrong though! Best of luck,  Chzz  ► 12:33, 29 March 2011 (UTC)


 * Those suggestions of mine are only intended as a stimulus to  get  more suggestions coming in. The task force is in  no way  intended as an endorsement of my ideas, other views and solutions are more than welcome. Feel free to  drop  in  any  time . --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 12:50, 29 March 2011 (UTC)


 * OK, sure; thanks. I will keep an eye on it, definitely - and if I think I can throw in anything useful, I will. I'm skeptical that it'll be possible to achieve much, but I will try to manage my cynicism. Exactly what I wrote here applies. But I hope you'll prove me wrong.  Chzz  ► 16:00, 29 March 2011 (UTC)
 * I think you could make more of a difference than you know. And I think something will come of this.  And I think I'll have a beer, thank you :o)  Pesky  ( talk ) 20:12, 29 March 2011 (UTC)
 * I'm having a beer, 'coz the footie is on telly. BTW, if you ever want to speak to me 'live', this is the place. Cheers,  Chzz  ► 20:16, 29 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Not comfortable with 'live' for many reasons (real-life issues mean I am on-call 24/7, apart from anything else, so can get either interrupted or dragged away at short /no notice!) And that insomnia thing can be a real bummer, too ..... I don't have a sleep pattern.  I think it's more of a random, surrealist, transmutable, 3D maze.  Like something out of one of the original Star Trek epsiodes, maybe? :o)  Pesky  ( talk ) 20:22, 29 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Oh, it's not 'live' like that; it's just text; there's a number of people in that 'channel' (== room), just a few other Wikipedians I know. And often someone will ask a question, or say something...and it'll be answered an hour or two later. It's nothing hectic; people come, go, as they see fit. I recommend giving it a whirl; it really is harmless. But, each to his/her own, of course.
 * As for sleep pattern...well, yeah; I don't do the 'sleep' thing, really...as you can tell from contribs.  Chzz  ► 20:25, 29 March 2011 (UTC)

I might look at it. Maybe. I used to be indecisive, but now I'm not so sure about that, and all that stuff, springs to mind! Pesky ( talk ) 20:50, 29 March 2011 (UTC)

A task force must be created to examine the worthiness of this task force. Maybe an additional mailing list would help. See also this. Killiondude (talk) 07:52, 30 March 2011 (UTC)


 * Let's take that on board, and put together a solution package over tea and biscuits.  Chzz  ► 13:45, 30 March 2011 (UTC)

Translations
Thank you for your help with advice about translations on my talk page. I'm going to take your advice about the photos too, and see if I can move them and place them more like the example you showed me. I'm going to get my article translated offline and then post it in each language myself. One thing, if I may... You kindly linked to all the separate language Wiki pages, but its not clear to me how to create a new article in each one. Is there a common link I should look for for doing that? Thanks again. Surrealist lover (talk) 09:05, 29 March 2011 (UTC)


 * They all work the same way, but of course it really helps to know the language.


 * For example, let's look at French Wikipedia - if you go there, you're already logged in, right? So, at the top of the page, you should see: " Surrealist lover Page de discussion   Préférences ...etc?


 * So, if you click on your user name there - "Surrealist lover" - you'll get to your user page, ie fr:Utilisateur:Surrealist lover - and it'll say the page does not exist ("Wikipédia ne possède pas de page utilisateur avec ce nom").


 * You can create the page - Créez la page.


 * Then, you'll be in the edit screen ("Modification de Utilisateur:Surrealist lover").


 * You could create a link there to a non-existent user-page, by typing - for example - Utilisateur:Surrealist lover/draft - and save it ("Publier").


 * You'll then see your user-page with a red link to the (non-existent) subpage, ie Utilisateur:Surrealist lover/draft. You can click that, and make that page (just put "hi" and save it).


 * And then - you've got a user-space draft page to work on. You can get back to it any time, by clicking your user-name, and following the link to "Utilisateur:Surrealist lover/draft".


 * You can edit that, and start the French page.


 * When ready, you'll be able to move it ("Renommer") to make it a live article.


 * The same applies to any language Wiki. Making a userspace draft is probably the best way to go. And speaking a little of the language is almost essential, for any such editing.


 * Hope that helps,  Chzz  ► 12:47, 29 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Dis donc! Chzz. Ton français est impec! Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 12:31, 30 March 2011 (UTC)

Thanks Chzz - it sure does help, yes... Thanks! Surrealist lover (talk) 12:58, 30 March 2011 (UTC)

Hi Chzz
It's been a year since I copied your signature and we had an issue with the link :P, I just wanted to drop you a comment and thank you for letting me take a copy of your work and also helping me fix it. cheers Chzz! (and i wrote all that and signed as ip :P)  Rmzadeh  ►  05:04, 30 March 2011 (UTC)


 * Gosh, time flies.


 * And - account - aha! I was about to reply with, "Do you have a user account?" etc.


 * I'm glad I helped with...whatever it was. Happy to help with anything else, too - just let me know.  Chzz  ► 05:08, 30 March 2011 (UTC)

I have clearly "arrived", lol!
My user page got vandalised! And User:Aspects kindly reverted it for me :o) If the (chose to be anonymous) person who put it there realised that my reaction to it was basically roflmao, they would probably have been very disappointed!  Pesky  ( talk ) 06:09, 30 March 2011 (UTC)


 * I wonder why they chose to mark people as Anarcha-feminism fans? Odd. Oh well, best not to wonder, really. People == strange. Anyway - an educational IP thing...in Sydney, Australia. Clearly, your fame is spreading. You could always add a thingy, for;


 * ...etc.  Chzz  ► 06:20, 30 March 2011 (UTC)

The really funny thing is that, being a dinosaur, I had in fact not a clue what Anarcha-feminism even was! Pesky ( talk ) 12:36, 30 March 2011 (UTC)


 * Apropos of nothing: Is this the most annoying song in the world? Also, go on go on go on go on go on go on.  Chzz  ►  13:22, 30 March 2011 (UTC)

Dear Chzz, it has been a long time since I bothered you for help. But someone (PID 144.52.121.55) put an error in my personal write-up
To: Chzz From: HEZ (Howard Zimmerman)

I tend to monitor my Watchlist and noted that today someone put an error into the write-up you were so helpful with. I could see it was with an ID 174.52.121.55

The error put in lists me as an "American Jew" and that as my religion.

That really is not something I would mind if it were accurate. Actually, I do have some "Jewish blood" but that is not my religion. Originally "religion" had been left blank and I would prefer that. In actuality, to the extent that I have a religion is it Protestant (Presbyterian) but don't think it appropriate to list a persons religion.

I looked up "revert" and "undo" but am not really clear on how to do that. hat I tried didn't work.

Chzz, I hope you are ok these days. It seems that England has the same problem as the U.S. in budgets. Here in Madison, Wisconsin we have had turmoil with demonstrators. Both here and (what I read) in England, it seems somewhat reminiscent of the Mid-East. I won't say too much since I don't know your opinion.

Also, at this point I've written a total of five articles in Wikipedia. The last one on Mechanstic Organic Photochemistry is not done.

I'll end with very best regards,

Howard

Hez (talk) 15:50, 30 March 2011 (UTC)


 * Hi! Nice to hear from you!


 * Re. the Howard Zimmerman article - no problem at all, sorting that out. For some reason, the anonymous editor added the category twice - and you removed one copy. I just removed the other - so that's all sorted out now. I will try to keep an eye on the article, for a while - but please, if anything like that happens, do let me know (or use a, or whatever).


 * News-wise - yes, England had some protests, over budget cuts. As usual though, to be honest, the media makes a lot of fuss about nothing. A few students threw some cans of paint around, and suchlike; 99%+ were peaceful protesters, with the inevitable small group of idiots who receive inordinate media attention.


 * Such trivia pales into utter insignificance, in comparison to recent events in Japan. I spent several years there, and have many friends - some from the Sendai area, which is coventrated. The horror is, quite literally, unimaginable, and the news from Japan has somewhat dominated my life recently.


 * But, enough gloom. I'm really pleased to hear that you're still writing for Wikipedia - and, I hope, you are enjoying it, too?


 * I wish you all the best and - as always, please don't hesitate to contact me, if I can help with anything. Cheers,  Chzz  ► 16:06, 30 March 2011 (UTC)

Chzz, Thanks for the help. I agree about Japan. My best former student and his wife are in Tokyo
To: Chzz From:HEZ (Howard Zimmerman)

Chzz, I agree with your concern about Japan. One of the best postdocs I have had is Hiizu Iwamura. He and his wife, Michiko, live in Tokyo. Hiizu was of particular help in my organizing four of the five Pacifichem Symposia and felt he was too old to be involved in the last one. But his advice has been good throughout.

I waited until the worst was over (I'm not sure that it really is) and then wrote to see how he was doing. Thus far Tokeyo has been all right. But I think all the electric power has come from those reactors and that will have a real consequence for a long time. The problem of contaminated water and food is a problem.

Hiizu had been just about to give a lecture at his university when the earthquake hit. He and his colleagues did get out of the building which suffered a real crack. The bus service had quit and he had to walk the 10 km home.

I have one other Japanese former student and friend and have not been able to contact him but will keep trying.

With such need for energy beyond that from the unstable mid-east, the secondary effect seems to be the distrust of nuclear power. Here we have people suggesting such things as wind-power and solar power, not realizing the limited amounts now possible. Anyway, we seem to have a problem which is not as imminent as Japan's but a real one.

Chzz, as usual, I didn't mean to write so much. Perhaps that is why I can do the various Wikipedia articles. My intent there is to write about things I know most about and about which there are few others who are knowledgeable. It is enjoyable.

I'll end with very best regards,

Howard Hez (talk) 16:57, 30 March 2011 (UTC)

Redirect discussion
Yo Chzz,

Any sensible way of getting more people to look at that? Doesn't seem like many people look at redirects for deletion. Perhaps we could do a joint post on ANI (wouldn't violate CANVASS then since we are on opposite "sides" (although in reality of course we are on the same side, that of Wikipedia, but you know what I mean) I think, although it unclear whether it would be welcome on ANI).

Cheers,

Egg Centric 16:58, 30 March 2011 (UTC)


 * I definitely do not recommend ANI. This is such a trivial thing; it's not worth bothering people. I'd suggest just being patient - give it several days.  Chzz  ► 17:03, 30 March 2011 (UTC)


 * Haha, I'm twitchy :) Ok, no probs Egg Centric 17:27, 30 March 2011 (UTC)

Talkback
Thanks for your response on my user page, much appreciated. — Preceding unsigned comment added by DerfTang (talk • contribs) 21:17, 30 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Sorry abot forgetting to sign there, still getting into the habit.DerfTang (talk) 21:50, 30 March 2011 (UTC)

Justintaplin
Hi there Chzz, I am a University of San Francisco graduate student in Environmental Management. Our Environmental Law class is working on an initiative to update several articles related to environmental case law. Our course page is WikiProject United States Public Policy/Courses/Spring 2011/Environmental Law (Aaron Frank) as part of WikiProject United States Public Policy — Preceding unsigned comment added by Justintaplin (talk • contribs) 04:09, 31 March 2011 (UTC)


 * Hi Justinaplin!


 * Vector toolbar with signature button.png you leave messages, please remember to "sign" your name, by putting ~ (four tilde signs) at the end. This will add your name, and the date and time. You can also do this by clicking the 'sign' button, pictured to the right.


 * Re. the course...I have only just - two days ago - become an "online Ambassador"; therefore, I'd like a little time to get used to the idea, before taking on more students.


 * I will make a note, and check back on your specific course in a week or two - and if I can help, I certainly will.


 * I'm sorry I cannot help more directly right now; I hope you understand, and I wish you all the best. Cheers,  Chzz  ► 11:51, 31 March 2011 (UTC)


 * 1) no worries, thanks! sorry for unfinished post, i it save instead of preview. that is how new i am to this!--Justintaplin (talk) 02:38, 1 April 2011 (UTC)

Hey
I started an April Fool's joke as it's immediately after midnite GMT. Just in case things get ugly early on, can you please keep an eye here for maybe the next hour - and maybe even take part? I've already promised to keep an eye on it and it's obviously not a serious request. =) CycloneGU (talk) 00:04, 1 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Looks like it got speedied and deleted already; I even tried killing the speedy tag and it was immediately replaced to the page. Thought that would be a good user to play the joke with given all the copyvios he had.  CycloneGU (talk) 00:21, 1 April 2011 (UTC)
 * CycloneGU, this idea was used last year with Requests for adminship/DougsTech (another indef blocked user). User:Juliancolton suggested right after it was created,

Serious comment: I don't think it's really appropriate to make a joke out of a real person, especially when they're blocked and unable to respond. – Juliancolton &#124; Talk 04:11, 1 April 2010 (UTC)
 * The page was immediately deleted thereafter. Eagles  24/7  (C) 00:25, 1 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Oh, so basically if it's a made up user who doesn't actually exist it's more likely to be accepted? And I thought I was being clever. =/
 * On another note, my other joke seems to be looking more accepted so far. =) I'm done putting up jokes, that'll be my last one and I'll just laugh at whatever anyone else does now; maybe even participate in any discussion-related ones.  CycloneGU (talk) 00:28, 1 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Nothing is original these days. Even the joke I was going to do was used last year. Eagles  24/7  (C)  00:32, 1 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Hey, I have an original one. CycloneGU (talk) 00:33, 1 April 2011 (UTC)

I wasn't around when this was going on; my PC exploded yesterday. Sorry. I'm still at limited capacity, using a terrible old laptop. But a new PC is on-order (10-14 days).

Anyway - the above seems resolved.  Chzz  ► 15:17, 1 April 2011 (UTC)

Request for opinion
I would to request your opinion here at WT:GAN. Thanks and cheers. ''' Jessy  ( talk ) ( contribs ) • 00:59, April 1, 2011 (UTC)


 * ✅  Chzz  ► 14:53, 1 April 2011 (UTC)

Rachmaninoff files
I don't have the exact list of transferred files, but could you do a quick AWB-through and tag them with nocommons so no one F8's them, which would defeat the whole point of the transfers? Thanks, / ƒETCH COMMS  /  03:54, 2 April 2011 (UTC)\


 * Yep; it's one of the things on my to-do list (to fix up those file pages) - it's been slightly delayed, because my PC exploded. I'll do it ASAP though (I'm part-way through configuring another PC)  Chzz  ► 04:12, 2 April 2011 (UTC)


 * Now done - the 'nocommons' part. Some template fixes are still needed. Files are the 19 listed in Category:Compositions_by_Sergei_Rachmaninoff.  Chzz  ► 08:14, 2 April 2011 (UTC)

James Silvers
Hello I talked with brad and he said that I didn't link my email to my account. Sorry about that. My name is James silvers and my email is. I also read that you think we should start our page with information from the Metallica page regarding this issue correct? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Silversj4467 (talk • contribs) 23:23, 28 March 2011 (UTC)


 * Hiya, and thanks for replying!


 * Ok, so, tip #1: don't put your email addy on wiki; if you do, you might get lots of spam.


 * Tip #2, Vector toolbar with signature button.png you leave messages, please remember to "sign" your name, by putting ~ (four tilde signs) at the end. This will add your name, and the date and time. You can also do this by clicking the 'sign' button, pictured to the right.


 * Now - for the article; sure - it is perfectly OK to copy from another Wikipedia page, as long as you say where it came from - the "BY" part of "CC-BY-SA". So - let me help;


 * I just created a userspace page, User:Silversj4467/sausages - which you can edit, and do anything you like with.


 * I copied the section from Metallica - notice, in my "Edit Summary" I said where I'd copied it from; - giving the exact version. That solves all the copyright concerns, because it provides a link back to the exact version of the page it came from.


 * "sausages" is, clearly, a random title. A userspace page can be called anything; it doesn't matter. It's just a draft - you can edit it, play with it, do what you like.


 * I also edited your "user page" - that is, User:Silversj4467 - and added a link to that subpage, and some others - I added this;



My userspace pages

 * User:Silversj4467/sausages
 * User:Silversj4467/test page
 * User:Silversj4467/Anything


 * What that means is, you can easily get to our "sausages" draft, or to the other pages, very easily - by clicking your user name at the top of any Wikipedia page. It makes a section saying;




 * My userspace pages


 * User:Silversj4467/sausages
 * User:Silversj4467/test page
 * User:Silversj4467/Anything


 * The other ones (test page, etc) are red links - because they don't exist. You can make 'em if you want, just by clicking on them. Or you can edit your user page and change them!


 * I know that the above is probably lots of information to take in... -Wikipedia has a sharp learning curve. Once you get it, you get it. And if you don't get something... please ask. That's what I'm here for. Best,  Chzz  ► 23:42, 28 March 2011 (UTC)

Thank you, that is very helpful and I will take some time to figure all of this out. We have talked about a lot of this in class, but there is definitely a learning curve. Silversj4467 (talk) 01:40, 29 March 2011 (UTC)

Brad Abel
Hi, My name is Brad and I just wanted to thank you in advance for your help on this topic. I'll be sure to post any questions or ask for any advice that I have. Thanks again. Bcca15 (talk) 23:57, 28 March 2011 (UTC)


 * Replied on user talk page  Chzz  ► 00:27, 29 March 2011 (UTC)

Eric Cook TC 210
Hey my name is Eric Cook and I'm in a group with Brad and James. Thanks for helping us with this project. Look forward to working with you!!! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cookeri6 (talk • contribs) 22:35, 29 March 2011 (UTC)


 * Nice to meet you, Cookeri6. So - you're in on this Metallica v. Napster lark? Shall I add you to the group, and to my list of mentees? Also: if you want to say hello, go here. Cheers,  Chzz  ► 23:13, 29 March 2011 (UTC)

Yes you can go ahead and add me if you want to. Thanks a lot!! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cookeri6 (talk • contribs) 00:40, 30 March 2011 (UTC)


 * done...may FSM have mercy on your soul.


 * Next time you leave me a message (or anyone else), please put ~ at the end; that'll add your user name, date and time. Cheers,  Chzz  ► 00:56, 30 March 2011 (UTC)


 * Yipes. I thought that was a joke when you first linked it.  I just looked at the article and see it isn't.  That image is real?  CycloneGU (talk) 02:41, 30 March 2011 (UTC)


 * It's both a joke, and not a joke; it represents feelings of atheists, who believe(sic?) they have just as much right to speak of random deities as theists. Or something. In this case, I only threw in the link for a laugh. It's a complicated topic, but certainly an interesting one. See also Russel's teapot.  Chzz  ► 02:46, 30 March 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for help!
Hello Chzz, thank you very much for your help in sorting out the table issues at Help_desk. If you would not mind, could you have a look at the article List of colleges affiliated to Visvesvaraya Technological University once again, and tell me if the tables are right this time? Unfortunately, I had to reduce the font further to 80%, and I'm worried it may look too small in some monitors. Regards,  Yes Michael? •Talk 17:09, 31 March 2011 (UTC)


 * Yes, I think that is OK. It is readable on my old laptop.  Chzz  ► 15:04, 1 April 2011 (UTC)

Article Feedback Category
''Thread copied here from, see

 To  My 76 Strat  ... Whatever became of this Article Feedback Category? Is this now something that we can add into any article on Wikipedia to get user feedback? Or is it still in some limited / pilot test program, where it can only be added to certain articles (as it was when we first discussed this issue several months ago)? Thanks. (Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 21:15, 30 March 2011 (UTC))


 * My76Strat is, I think, taking a break.
 * As far as I know, the article feedback thing is still just a pilot - see Article feedback/Public Policy Pilot.
 * I'll double-check that with (Sage Ross, of WMF), who might know more. Cheers,  Chzz  ►  21:41, 30 March 2011 (UTC)


 * Right, it's still a pilot. It's being used now on all the articles in WikiProject United States Public Policy, and any other articles students in classes working with the Wikipedia Ambassador Program are writing, as well as 3000 additional articles that were recently added. See the blog post about the second phase for more info.--Sage Ross - Online Facilitator, Wikimedia Foundation (talk) 23:55, 30 March 2011 (UTC)


 * To -  Chzz  ► and Sage Ross - Online Facilitator, Wikimedia Foundation (talk) ... thanks for the follow-up.  I found it quite bizarre that I had not contacted  My 76  Strat  for several months.  And, when I finally decided to do so, he (or she) had just left Wikipedia not even an hour earlier!  Very strange coincidence!  Thanks for all of the information.   (Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 22:05, 31 March 2011 (UTC))
 * Here's another Irony; Does anyone remember this comment in my RfA: "I want to know how much he did versus Joseph Spadaro. Neither my initial look, nor your followup, gave me that info." FWIW My76Strat (talk) 00:44, 1 April 2011 (UTC)

Closing the PC discussion
It's been open for 9 days now and the number of new responses is trailing off. What do you think about having do the close? I don't know him. Feel free to respond at the proposal talk page if you like. Thanks. —UncleDouggie (talk) 05:04, 2 April 2011 (UTC)


 * I've no objections re NYBrad (of course; great user). I'd ask for a comprehensive closure statement - but I'm sure he'll do that anyway. The slight difficulty with the close is, that 'No consensus' would be tricky, because the current status (status quo) is unclear. And it isn't all *that* certain that there is consensus. It's just over the 66/33. Then again, several oppose are either weak, or show they're not really talking about the trial as such. Hmm. What's your own thoughts?  Chzz  ► 05:21, 2 April 2011 (UTC)
 * I think there is consensus if only considering those that commented on the actual proposal as opposed to PC in general. The discussion section is also illuminating in that several of those opposed showed some willingness at short term compromise while the extreme positions didn't get much support. Regardless of the result, we need someone who will read the entire page and produce a comprehensive closing statement instead of just adding up the !votes and saying sorry, not 80%. Newyorkbrad has been off for 2 days, but there's no hurry. I think we should make a request for him to do the close. There hasn't been any objection to this plan on the talk page, so I think we can just do it. —UncleDouggie (talk) 05:32, 2 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Newyorkbrad hasn't participated in any of the previous PC polls. Just in case, we should think about a backup plan if he doesn't want to take it on. —UncleDouggie (talk) 05:37, 2 April 2011 (UTC)
 * I agree with all of the above. Due consideration of the current undefined 'state of play' must be used, in a closure. I'm confident NYBrad could assess it thoroughly, and hope he'll be able to do so. Hmm...backup? Other arbs, I suppose. But some have been involved. Hmm. Thinking.  Chzz  ► 07:12, 2 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Would you ask him please? The backup plan can just be WP:BN. I only raised it in case you had someone else in mind as well. —UncleDouggie (talk) 08:21, 2 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Sorry I didn't respond immediately - I wanted to wait over the weekend, to see what happened. And now, it looks like it is being dealt with - User_talk:Newyorkbrad. Cheers,  Chzz  ► 12:04, 3 April 2011 (UTC)

Ray williams johnson massive troll attack
Chzz since you seem to be an admin, can you please protect the talk page its getting exhausting playing whack-a-troll, and its late at night where I am and I need sleep! why are trolls attacking it?-- Lerd the nerd wiki defender  22:54, 2 April 2011 (UTC)


 * I'm not an admin. I asked for full-prot some (short-ish) time ago, and semi for the talk. I've now posted to WP:AIV too.  Chzz  ► 22:59, 2 April 2011 (UTC)

Brandon Dorman
Hello You propose my page about Brandon Dorman to be deleted, what do you suggest me to do??, I don't know what to add, but I worked in the article most of my day. I think he is important he has illustrated the Fablehaven books, which are very well known, in my country, Argentina, in there it is also in shops (it was been translated to spanish) and is really known, It has also illustrated Goosebumps, whats wrong with the article??, he is important and besides it doesn't affect any one to have it. Thank you--'''Lcsrns (Talk) 23:18, 2 April 2011 (UTC)


 * We need to see reliable sources giving information about him - not the books. If he's been interviewed in several newspapers, or if there are some reliable news websites with articles about him, then it'd be OK. But I couldn't find any. If the newspapers are in Argentinian, that's fine - it doesn't have to be English. But it does have to be "significant coverage in reliable sources" - see WP:VRS.  Chzz  ► 23:21, 2 April 2011 (UTC)


 * Here there are some info about him, is from the New York Times, so I supose it is reliable--'''Lcsrns (Talk) 23:30, 2 April 2011 (UTC)


 * It is a reliable source, yes - but it isn't "significant coverage". What more can we say about him, except he illustrated some certain books? Where can we verify any information about him - his birthplace, date-of-birth, education, influences...or anything else?  Chzz  ► 23:34, 2 April 2011 (UTC)


 * Okay, there is not much more info only were he studied and a couple of things more, sorry to have wasted your time--'''Lcsrns (Talk) 23:50, 2 April 2011 (UTC)


 * I'm sorry too - and no problem about wasting time; not at all. The main reason for the insistence is, to protect the person - the subject. If we can't find reliable sources, and we allow dubious ones or unreferenced facts, then often people will 'vandalise' the page - adding spurious claims. So it isn't some bureaucratic nonsense; there really is a good reason for the policies. Thanks for being understanding about it.


 * If you wanted, the article could be moved into your own user-space; then, if ever enough RS are found, it could be reconsidered.


 * Let me know if I can help with anything (any time). Cheers,  Chzz  ► 13:54, 3 April 2011 (UTC)


 * I currently have it in my Workshop, but is a good idea to move it to other subpage, can I move it to User:Lcsrns/Brandon Dorman???? Cheers and thank you--'''Lcsrns (Talk) 15:48, 3 April 2011 (UTC)


 * I move it, do I live the redirect?, I erase the redirect so I have a copy in my subpage, but you can't see it if you type Brandon Dorman, Are you Admin??, if you are, can you Delete Brandon Dorman, since know I moved it to a subpage??--'''Lcsrns (Talk) 16:02, 3 April 2011 (UTC)


 * Sorry about my english, that isn't excellent.

Answered on user talk page. Live article redir Brandon Dorman deleted; now in User:Lcsrns/Brandon Dorman.  Chzz  ► 16:29, 3 April 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Will Henry Stevens
— HJ Mitchell &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   00:03, 3 April 2011 (UTC)

Mentoring Metallica vs. Napster Article TC210
This is Elif, I am assisting TC210 policy course. Just wanted to let you know that I created the talk page for this group. Have you been in touch with them? Let's start communicating about this group. If you need to ask anything you can contact me via my talk page. Let's get this project going! Elifyilmaz (talk) 04:55, 3 April 2011 (UTC)Elifyilmaz


 * Hi.


 * I have been in touch with them. I became online ambassador to Bcca15 and Silversj4467 on 27 March. First, I said "hello" to both, and I also email Bcca15 to say hello. Silversj4467 doesn't have email enabled.


 * Silversj4467 responded here on my talk page - - and I replied again on his talk, User talk:Silversj4467.


 * Bcca15 also responded on this page - - and I replied,.


 * Then Cookeri6 left a note here, to join the group - see.


 * If you read through that, you'll also see I made a copy of the relevant portion of the Metallica article in User:Silversj4467/sausages, both to demonstrate and suggest they play around with it.


 * I haven't heard more since then (and they have not edited since). The best thing they could do (I think) is just start editing; Wikipedia is confusing - but it starts to make sense once you click 'edit' and dive it. It's like riding a bike; you can't learn it by reading manuals - you have to just try it.

Important

You created two talk pages, as Talk:Direct lobbying and Talk:Metallica v. Napster, Inc..

Those would likely be deleted, because that is the namespace for talk pages of live articles - and no article exists, so they fall under speedy deletion G8. So, I have moved them to;


 * WikiProject United States Public Policy/Courses/Media and Telecommunication Policy spring 2011 (Obar)/Direct lobbying
 * WikiProject United States Public Policy/Courses/Media and Telecommunication Policy spring 2011 (Obar)/Metallica v. Napster, Inc.

I appreciate those are long names, so I also made a redirect;


 * WP:PPMT is a redirect (ie a 'shortcut') to the main project page, WikiProject United States Public Policy/Courses/Media and Telecommunication Policy spring 2011 (Obar).


 * I've also added a (manual) list of the subpages on the top-right of that page.

I hope that makes sense. If you have questions, please ask. Cheers,  Chzz  ► 11:34, 3 April 2011 (UTC)

Thanks much! I am glad that you are in touch with them, I just wanted to check in with you. Hopefully they will soon start editing. Elifyilmaz (talk) 03:13, 4 April 2011 (UTC)Elifyilmaz

Thank you
...for helping keep my userpages clean. Cheers! :) ⋙–Berean–Hunter—►  ((⊕)</b>) 21:26, 3 April 2011 (UTC)

Template:Muslim Saints
Hi. I have undone your redirect because that (large-S) version is now not used anywhere, I'd be interested to have the boffins check to see why it misbehaves, and it is possible (if unlikely) that Imadjafar actually had a plan for it. Regards, JohnCD (talk) 21:48, 3 April 2011 (UTC)


 * Erm, if it is unused, why bother? Anyway - sec, I'll find out.  Chzz  ► 21:52, 3 April 2011 (UTC)


 * Found it. - copy-pasted template. Redirected.  Chzz  ►  22:22, 3 April 2011 (UTC)

Hey
Since I have respect for you here, I thought I'd take the liberty of noting here myself that mediation has been initiated by Beeblebrox here listing you among the most involved parties. I myself am also making it a point to be active there as I am quite interested in the outcome as an early user of Pending Changes in June, and having tried it at different points throughout the trial.

On an unrelated note, I made a risque observation elsewhere; now Kingpin13 think I called a clique of users terrorists. I really oughta make better and more carefully worded observations.

NEway, I hope the mediation actually proves to be helpful; mediator involvement in the discussion can only help it for both sides, I hope. CycloneGU (talk) 23:01, 3 April 2011 (UTC)


 * Thanks for letting me know. Personally, I don't know why we're splitting the argument over yet another forum - but of course, I will happily explain any and all actions I've taken.  Chzz  ► 23:19, 3 April 2011 (UTC)


 * This caught me by surprise, too. I think the reason Beeblebrox started this was because of the following comment (I mention it above, it's mine) at a talk page:
 * "Heck, I wonder if anyone's made any comparison of the staunch objectors to a hostage situation (I originally said terrorist group but crossed it off as the wrong term). Think about it: 'If you do not hand over 10 million dollars, this fella here bites the bullet.' In this case, the captive is PC itself, and those in support of it are like the government agency receiving the threat. This is entirely extreme, but the debate over PC has been going almost like that: 'turn it off or we won't talk'. Again, this does not mean a certain view on my part, it's just an observation."
 * He replied about a half hour later, and then Kingpin took offense to the comment (it said terrorist group instead of hostage situation at the time) and claimed I had made a personal attack. Definitely wasn't my intention, I should be more careful in my wording in the future.  I left the words crossed off to indicate I had originally said it and didn't intend to hide anything.  But Beeblebrox used it to start the new discussion.  I'm open to any avenue that can lead to a proper consensus.  I know Nick was thinking being involved as a mediator at the RfC itself might be the best possible thing for his part instead of at a separate mediation page, but Kingpin later mentioned that someone else had been asked to mediate.  I wasn't even aware of this until today myself.  My concern then becomes was the mediator selected by proponants of one side and is the mediator thus leaned to that side?  (I do not know which people were involved in selecting the mediator, obviously.)  As I do not know the user in question, I obviously presume good faith and that a neutral position on his part is still in place.
 * Either way, mediation at the RfC would be the best bet whether through the Cabel or otherwise. CycloneGU (talk) 23:42, 3 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Update: looks like Nick has agreed on his talk page that mediation through that channel can be struck at this time. CycloneGU (talk) 23:48, 3 April 2011 (UTC)
 * You're probably watching it, but will provide another update: looks like it's back on. Newyorkbrad and another uninvolved admin. are merely determining consensus in the RfC, not mediating to an eventual overall outcome.  Nick's updated the mediation page now.  CycloneGU (talk) 01:34, 4 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Sure; thanks. I'll watch. But remember the tea - the wiki is not on fire :-)  Chzz  ► 01:37, 4 April 2011 (UTC)
 * I don't like tea. Have any hot cocoa or Coca-Cola? =D  CycloneGU (talk) 01:42, 4 April 2011 (UTC)

Free Hetherington
Thanks Chzz

I've set up an account now. I appreciate your help earlier :-) — Preceding unsigned comment added by LadyDiotima (talk • contribs) 03:17, 4 April 2011 (UTC)


 * I added a 'welcome' on the user talk page  Chzz  ► 18:12, 5 April 2011 (UTC)

Wow
Well that was certainly a disaster, for lack of a better word. What now? Do you agree with my assessment that trying to rewrite everything might be a good next step? Or should we go in an entirely different direction? CycloneGU (talk) 06:28, 4 April 2011 (UTC)
 * We should wait for the current RfC to close and take up Chzz on the offer of tea. There are thousands of teas, I'm sure we can find something to your liking. Putting forward anything new so shortly after a spectacular flame-out is usually not wise. —UncleDouggie (talk) 06:46, 4 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Oh, I already added WP:COCOA to the links to the page. I got the drink covered.  Though personally I prefer a Coke in heated situations.  I'm going to bed now in any case, I'll check in on the talk page at the request for comment sector in the morning.  CycloneGU (talk) 07:06, 4 April 2011 (UTC)
 * No big rush; I think, at this stage, we wait to see what NYBrad comes back with.  Chzz  ► 18:11, 5 April 2011 (UTC)

Thanks (re. speedy button)
Really appreciate the help. Now that you've taught me that an image can be used with the link and how to do it, I've uploaded a different form of button by taking a screengrab of the button placed by every 24 hours and, if it's been removed, buts it back on every 5 minutes, please? Thanks in advance, Rock drum Ba-dumCrash 20:19, 13 April 2011 (UTC)


 * Yes, should be fine; as discussed, I'm improving the bot code - hopefully within the next few days - and then I can make that happen. Cheers,  Chzz  ► 20:26, 13 April 2011 (UTC)


 * Sorry, but see to see why this was not possible. Best,  Chzz  ►  00:42, 22 April 2011 (UTC)

two sides of the coin
Hi - your comment here is completely the opposite of your very vocal position throughout the pending trial discussion, "If it goes horribly wrong, we turn it back; no worries. The specifics - the process - will quickly develop, once we jump in to the idea. Change We Need. There is, I think, "general agreement" that something needs to happen; and we need to remember WP:BOLD" - here you don't even want specifics and claim the process will find its own path if we are bold - no worries indeed.

It appears your position is ignore all rules and be bold about things you support and what about the rules and don't be bold about things you don't support. Off2riorob (talk) 00:10, 15 April 2011 (UTC)


 * I'm not ignoring any rule at all; I'm just expressing which proposal I support - and I hope it gets consensus.  Chzz  ► 00:15, 15 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Yes, I just think you should say openly and clearly that you do not support pending protection, without all the wikipedia rules comments, like the wheels will drop off if this and if that is not followed and we need specifics and clear guidelines, when on issues you support you comment to ignore all rules, and that guidelines are not required, just do it the wheels will not drop off. You have been actively vocal on this position against pending protection and to see you actively vocal in the exact opposite statements in regards something you support is difficult to understand - it appears what you support requires no guidelines and no specifics and so on and what you don't support must have guidelines and specifics. Off2riorob (talk) 00:56, 15 April 2011 (UTC)


 * I support the Proposal to require autoconfirmed status in order to create articles, for the reasons I stated there in 'my view'.
 * I support the proposal to remove pending changes protection from all articles, for now, with no prejudice against reinstating it in the future, in some form, based upon consensus and discussion - for reasons which I have explained at length.
 * IF the PC trial ends, then I would consider supporting a proposal to use PC according to some appropriate scope, etc.


 * I see no contradiction in those views. I can understand that you feel it is hypocritical (demanding cautious conditions for PC, but advocating 'work out the details later' on the other) - but a) they're quite different situations, b) for 'confirmed', the alternative main suggestion seems to be a trial - and we already know that there are many problems with that such approach, from the PC experience.


 * I suspect we may never agree about Pending Changes - that's fine. However, I wish you'd believe me that I am not anti-PC. You seem to indicate that I should declare that I am - how can I, when I am not?


 * I'd like PC to develop, and possibly be used in some form or other. What I am opposed to is, the use of it without consensus - and I believe that the best chance - indeed the only realistic chance - of PC actually making progress is to sort that mess out first. Right now - with the trial continuing - there is zero realistic chance of any proposal for use of PC to gain any acceptable consensus - which means, the scope of PC cannot be extended beyond the few trial articles, and the few admins who are prepared to use it with no consensus to do so. Once the trial is finally closed down, then it becomes possibile to evaluate and propose some use of PC which can gain community support.  Chzz  ► 02:43, 19 April 2011 (UTC)

Article
The article was deleted. I would like to post it on the User-space. I will just keep on my talk page so I can edit it, and when more reliable sources are available remake the article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Thomasbum98 (talk • contribs) 13:15, 16 April 2011 (UTC)


 * It would be better - neater - to undelete it, and move it to a 'user subpage'. You could work on it there, but it would not clutter up your 'user talk' page - which should be used for talking to others (like we are doing right here).


 * If you want, I can ask for it to be undeleted and moved to a subpage - and then clear the other version from your talk page. I'd make a link to it, so you could easily get to it.


 * Would you like me to do that?  Chzz  ► 13:29, 16 April 2011 (UTC)

Duplicate article
There are TWO Wikipedia articles about the SAME person on the site:


 * http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamad_bin_Khalifa_Al_Thani


 * http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamad_bin_Thamer_Al_Thani

I think these MAY be the same person with slightly different spelled names in the titles of the article!12.196.37.227 (talk) 15:33, 16 April 2011 (UTC)


 * No, they are not the same person.


 * Hamad bin Khalifa Al Thani is the current - monarch, or Emir of Qatar - the ruler (like a King or Queen).
 * Hamad bin Thamer Al Thani is a businessman, involved with media companies (chairman of Al Jazeera TV company]].


 * They are related though; as it says in the first article, Sheik Hamad is a distant cousin of the network chairman, Hamad bin Thamer Al Thani.  Chzz  ► 19:26, 16 April 2011 (UTC)

Your Q
I ;posted a blog address as the Ron Daws article referenced was originally published in a print magazine (I own the rights) and found this the easiest way to get it on his site. I can add the article to the Ron Daws website (I own) if that satisifies the need. Just let me know. Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by UltraSuperior (talk • contribs) 19:30, 16 April 2011 (UTC)


 * Actually, that Q was not from me.


 * There are two separate messages on your user talk page. The first is a 'welcome' from me, which I put there in June 2009 when you'd edited the article Medea.


 * The second message is from a 'bot' - an automated program - sent today (16 April 2011).


 * However, I will try to help;


 * The bot removed your edits because you'd added external links in an invalid format.


 * External websites can be used in one of two ways;

(a) References - if they are 'reliable sources' - in which case, they go in the main body of the article, directly after a fact, in-between &lt;ref> and &lt;/ref> - e.g.


 * Those appear automarically, as numbered footnotes, in the references section.

(b) In the section at the end entitled == External links == - but only if they meet the specific requirements of the WP:EL policy.

You added three links,


 * http://www.snowshoemag.com/viewContent.cfm?content_id=901
 * I'm not sure what you wanted to do, with that one
 * http://harmonizingkeys.blogspot.com/2011/04/ron-daws-25-km-2009-30th-edition-of.html
 * Blogs are usually not considered reliable sources; that seems to be something Mr. Daws wrote - did you intend to add it as an external link?
 * http://www.rondaws.com/
 * That website doesn't seem to meet the requirements of WP:EL


 * Because you have a conflict of interest, you should be very careful about adding links - please see the business FAQ. Please ask again, if I can help further. Cheers,  Chzz  ► 20:06, 16 April 2011 (UTC)

not getting new password
This is probably nothing you can advise on, but you did sent me a note when I first registered, so...

Wikipedia is rejecting my password, which AFAIK is correct. I've asked to be sent a new password anyway, and wikipedia reports it's done so; but nothing has shown up in my mailbox within the past few hours after requesting. What might be up? thanks, 72.93.173.151 (talk) 23:17, 16 April 2011 (UTC)


 * 1) Make sure the user name and password are EXACTLY correct - it is case-sensitive, so "Bob Smith" is not the same as "Bob smith".
 * 2) Some browsers will 'auto-complete' the username and password, if you'd mistyped it before. You might be able to clear that, depending on your browser - in Firefox on Windows it is under 'Tools', 'options', 'security', 'saved passwords'.
 * 3) Can you try it on another computer?
 * 4) For the email, check if it has been filtered into you 'junk mail' folder (or similar)

And if all that fails, you're out of luck, and the only solution is to create a new user account - but you can always mark on your user page using e.g. - giving;

Let me know how you get on - and what was your user name? Cheers,  Chzz  ► 01:28, 17 April 2011 (UTC)

Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Reliance, Inc.
Hi. User:Financialbull created Re-Liance, Inc. after the above article creation request was declined. I found both while searching for links to Creditcards.com. The article does not appear to have been improved. Flowanda | Talk 02:44, 20 April 2011 (UTC)


 * Thanks for letting me know.  Chzz  ► 00:40, 21 April 2011 (UTC)

Public policy project
Hello. Re the following two articles: Education policy in Brazil and California Proposition 19 (2010) ... I went in and made some edits, as you had requested. Moreso to the first article ... but some to the second, as well. Thanks! (Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 23:39, 20 April 2011 (UTC))
 * Great - thank you very much!  Chzz  ► 00:38, 21 April 2011 (UTC)

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 * Thanks.  Chzz  ► 02:07, 22 April 2011 (UTC)

TEC Solutions Limited
You declined the submission at Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/TEC Solutions Limited, but the editor created TEC Solutions Limited anyway. – Adrignola talk 16:17, 21 April 2011 (UTC)


 * Sure; that happens quite a lot. You could nominate the article for deletion if you thought it inappropriate; but in processing the AFC, all we can do is use our best judgement. If the user chooses to make a live article, that is their prerogative. Cheers,  Chzz  ► 02:09, 22 April 2011 (UTC)

Vidkun Quisling
Still no takers, and only two weeks to go :( - Jarry1250 [Who? Discuss.] 20:27, 21 April 2011 (UTC)


 * This is why I dislike the WikiCup. I appreciate it does 'good things' - however, there are about 90 GAN candidates that have no response dated prior to yours (11 April 2011) - so whilst I really want to help, it doesn't seem very fair - if you see what I mean?


 * I've no idea what the answer is to that; just that is the situation we are in.


 * I'd like to help though. I'll see what I can come up with, in the next few days; I have one idea - maybe I can show someone else how to review it.  Chzz  ► 02:26, 22 April 2011 (UTC)
 * I know, it's tricky. I've tried to do a few reviews myself, but as you say, with 90 still to do I can't really make a dent in it all by myself... Unfortunately, it encourages pre-emptive nominations. Which cannot be good.
 * As a result, I may whistle through the WikiCup GANs, add my own and then bug one of the judges in the meantime. That may be an alternative strategy.
 * The only other things that occurred to me with you is that whilst reviewing last time you came up with a load of helpful comments above and beyond those required by the Good Article Criteria. It may be possible to do a skeleton review and then revisit later with more helpful comments.
 * At least I'm not in the last 24 hours this time! :) Thanks for your help, - Jarry1250 [Who? Discuss.] 12:39, 22 April 2011 (UTC)

Now as discussed.  Chzz  ► 19:48, 22 April 2011 (UTC)

MP images
With regards to this, those images were cascade-protected all along. <b style="color:navy;">NW</b> ( Talk ) 04:57, 22 April 2011 (UTC)


 * Yep; that's why I withdrew my comment. Cascading prot is not apparent unless you actually try to overwrite. Cheers,  Chzz  ► 05:05, 22 April 2011 (UTC)

aSSAssins and Ubisoft
Omg >.> i just wanted to lead myself to a childish pathway of convincing ubisoft to release some news about PoP 2008 sequel and you ruined it congratsd —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.116.106.209 (talk) 09:32, 22 April 2011 (UTC)

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spacing and %, and images
So I had to merge my edits after you went through and did something with spacing and %s. I tried to only plug in the part I was working on, Measurement/testing section, but I might have accidentally undone some of the spaces. Sorry! Elizabetsyatbu (talk) 02:20, 23 April 2011 (UTC)


 * No problem at all; I'm just sorry our edits overlapped - that's one of those things on Wikipedia which are immensely irritating. Please, if it happens again, just copy your own edits (bottom) and paste 'em over mine (top) - I can easily re-do mine.


 * I'm pleased things are going well.


 * To be frank - I think the biggest concern right now is neutrality - check out WP:PEACOCK and WP:WEASEL. Try to 'stick to facts'. Some terms could be removed without loss of meaning (I think) e.g.
 * Education policy in Brazil has been given considerable importance...
 * drop-out rates pose serious challenges towards the accomplishment of social and economic goals.
 * Moreover, tThese factors are especially high in downtrodden areas where the quality(or 'standard'?)of education largely remains below the expected levels - also, maybe think of a more 'encyclopaedic' word than 'downtrodden'. And who has these expectations?


 * Take care to keep a balanced point-of-view - e.g. Brazil is far from average with respect to learning levels - yes, according that that source - but by stating it that way, it looks like it is an undisputable fact (which I doubt). It's awkward to keep putting "According to THIS," etc, but there are ways to tone down the POV - e.g. in that case, Brazilian learning levels are below average - it's still a strong assertion, but a bit more of an encyclopaedic tone, I think.


 * I hope the above is constructive criticism (as intended) - and please please feel free to disagree with my opinion; that's all I can offer, and it is mere suggestion, all up for discussion. I just think, perhaps, the point-of-view could be toned down a little. Best,  Chzz  ► 02:41, 23 April 2011 (UTC)


 * Okay, cool. I appreciate all the feedback. It's such a big article it is hard to keep all the different style things in mind while writing. I tried to update those that you mentioned. Feel free to point out any others or change them as you see fit.Elizabetsyatbu (talk) 02:53, 23 April 2011 (UTC)

Also, I have questions about images. I remade a table that I found in a book, and wanted to upload it (tried to previously, actually), but I wasn't really sure how to site it. I made the image myself, but the information is from this book. Can you help explain the best way to go about this? Thanks!

In general, do you have any ideas about good places to find images. There don't seem to be many related to Brazil. — Elizabetsyatbu (talk • contribs) 02:32, 23 April 2011


 * It sounds like the image is 'entirely your own work' - based on numbers in the book - if so, upload it at commons as 'This is entirely my own work' and then, in the file description, give details of the book you got the figures from.


 * OKay, thanks for the clarification. I will try to upload it again and see if I can find it.Elizabetsyatbu (talk) 02:53, 23 April 2011 (UTC)


 * To find images: try Google image search, in 'advanced', setting it to 'Return images that are: labelled for commercial use with modification', and put in some terms related to what you want; see if there is anything that appears - example, see this link.  Chzz  ► 02:41, 23 April 2011 (UTC)

Jasmine (American singer)
—Djc wi (talk • contribs) 20:56, 23 April 2011


 * responded on user talk page  Chzz  ► 21:13, 23 April 2011 (UTC)


 * Answered on user talk page  Chzz  ► 21:53, 23 April 2011 (UTC)