User talk:Diannaa/Archive 12

Drive
Hi - thanks I see you finished off the Castelli article - 'fraid I ended up not being able to do much on this drive. Checked it through - there is one sentence I can't work out - 3rd in the 'The battle of Huaqui' section - haven't changed it because don't know what it should say, but put a note on the discussion. Yellowcrocus (talk) 20:28, 31 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Hi, Yellowcrocus. There were some spots where I was unsure of the meaning, and left things unchanged. The article will need further work. --Dianna (talk) 21:36, 31 July 2011 (UTC)

PS - [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3AWikiProject_Guild_of_Copy_Editors%2FBacklog_elimination_drives%2FJuly_2011&action=historysubmit&diff=438526948&oldid=438515025 90 articles! Go girl, Go girl, Go girl (I was doing the motions whilst chanting that lol :¬)] Chaosdruid (talk) 02:40, 11 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks, so nice to have a cheerleader-friend. :) I have been doing short articles to try to jack up the drive totals (I find them using CatScan). But folks showed up to edit on the weekend, so I was able to edit Tony Soprano, just for fun. And today I did a couple of tricky ones about India; might as well, as I already know some of the lingo, and am able to extract the meaning. Doggie wants his walk now; TTYL. --Dianna, International Woman of Mystery 03:09, 11 July 2011 (UTC)
 * ¿118? - Sheesh! That is a pretty amazing total so far. [[Image:Cheer_Dorothy_Cheer_2007_via_soniq_org.jpg|60 px]] and no, that's not me :¬) Chaosdruid (talk) 04:07, 11 July 2011 (UTC)
 * I was just reading the front page and happened to check what events might come up in tomorrows "on this day" - Imagine my surprise when I read that America invaded Canada on 12 July! Even more to my amazement was that we (Canada and Britain) then launched an attack which captured Detroit! I did not even know about the 1812 war ... something to read in-between copy-edits then :¬) Chaosdruid (talk) 20:41, 11 July 2011 (UTC)
 * There was this other guy snatching all the headlines that year. And, uh, Detroit: we gave it back. Check this out, it's incredible --Diannaa (talk) 22:04, 11 July 2011 (UTC)
 * That's a pretty mad series, all that history going to waste is such a shame. The worst are the theatre and the house that they moved, all that effort and then it gets demolished - and it was his first design too! Chaosdruid (talk) 22:52, 11 July 2011 (UTC)
 * There's more; Check out Detroit Derek on Flickr. Their population is down to 714,000, down from a high of 2 million in the 1950s. It's so empty that the wildlife is returning. --Diannaa (talk) 23:04, 11 July 2011 (UTC)
 * I am probably the only person on the planet to have rented 8 Mile to look at architecture (What a nerd) . Here is a song by Eminem with some footage of Detroit http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lgT1AidzRWM&feature=relmfu --Diannaa (talk) 00:32, 12 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Sorry I missed your post, I was fixing refs and other problems as well as doing a 5.5 hour edit on Blade Runner (Oh how I wish it counted towards the drive :¬) to try and get it through the FAR. I am off to bed now, but will watch that tomorrow when I get up. Those images are really disheartening, I cannot believe how the US is abandoning its heritage-though I suspect that, as a relatively new country, they possibly don't realise what a loss they are suffering. Some of those buildings would be fine for me to live in, just for the architecture. As for nerdy, don't worry, I think all of us Wikipedians are a little that way inclined lol :¬) Night! Chaosdruid (talk) 05:49, 12 July 2011 (UTC)

Wow, censorship has gone overboard, "wipe my (blank) ..." (I assume it was "ass") What's all this then? Eminem singing? and rapping, "... I may be done with rap, I need a new outlet ..."? I need to read his article I think ... Jeremy Clarkson did an episode on Detroit some years ago (part 2). The History of Detroit and Detroit architecture articles surprisingly don't seem to mention much about the dereliction. The City's population drop is pretty radical, though it seems the metropolitan pop. is fairly stable. Chaosdruid (talk) 15:00, 12 July 2011 (UTC)
 * There was an uncensored version available but the images were fuzzy so I posted the censored one, since the main point was the images, not the music. There's more info on the American situation at white flight and urban decay. Detroit still has an active centre, and then there is a ring that is empty or nearly so, and then there are suburbs, where people live. Some other American cities are also in bad shape. http://www.datapointed.net/2011/04/maps-us-population-change-2000-2010-census/ --Diannaa (talk) 18:52, 12 July 2011 (UTC)
 * I learned about that in geography A level, cannot for the life of me remember what the phenomenon was called though - seems my memory is shot after all! The new name is Zone of transition, but it may have been "ring of urban decay" (or similar) in my learning days. The town I grew up in is part of Greater Manchester, one of the larger conurbations of England. We had some pretty bad areas as well, believe me. Most were brownfield sites and wonderful places to play and explore when you are a child. The vast majority are gone now after being developed into shopping areas with massive stores, similar to American ones I saw in NY (though the British ones seem much larger and less frequent), or vast industrial parks.
 * Wow. Though Detriot is bad, the New Orleans pic is extremely bad! Chaosdruid (talk) 07:00, 13 July 2011 (UTC)

Image of Judge Hiram Bond
The image of my great grandfather Image:S3728976.jpg is from a newspaper article from 1902. Hiram died of a coronary in 1906. This would put it in public domain. Yale Beinecke Library alo only claims physical custody and that the ownership still belongs to Marshall Bond my grandfather's descendants. RichardBond (talk) 14:24, 11 July 2011 (UTC)


 * The picture was deleted because there was no source or licensing information provided. If the photo was published in a newspaper prior to 1923, it is in public domain according to United States copyright laws. Please let me know what the source of the photograph was, and I will help you get it back on the wiki with the correct licensing tag. --Diannaa (talk) 14:33, 11 July 2011 (UTC)

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CatScan
I got an odd result from running CatScan, as suggested on the Drive page; I entered Wikipedia articles needing copy edit heraldry and got a single result, Law of Arms. But instead of a CE tag, there’s one for unclear citation style. (There’s no explanation on the talk page AFAICT.)

Does the first category above cover a variety of sins, so to speak? Are all such articles counted in the drive’s goal and progress stats? Even assuming I knew how to fix the citations, I can’t see the article’s word-count going toward my totals, but if it’s within our scope it would be worth knocking off the list.

Or did some wires get crossed somewhere?—Odysseus1479 (talk) 01:26, 13 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Sometimes CatScan gives false positive results, unfortunately. I don't think this article qualifies for the drive totals. --Diannaa (talk) 02:24, 13 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Filed under the second alternative, then. Thanks. Good song BTW, but I must say I prefer the studio version. —Odysseus1479 (talk) 04:41, 13 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Its probably due to the category. That article has "Category:Articles containing possible transcription errors" and the GOCE table shows that category as a parameter in "undated articles". If the iteration level was set too high it might pick it up from there. We also had a problem with some templates adding stats to copy-editing but that does not seem to be the case here, though I will take a quick-ish look. Chaosdruid (talk) 07:25, 13 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Silly me, there it is. At the bottom of Category:Articles containing possible transcription errors it has been added to Category:Wikipedia articles needing copy edit. It appears that many of the articles in that category are not tagged with a copyedit banner either as the transcription errors category is a hidden one.
 * It comes from the [sic?] template, in this case, " and his succesors [sic] in the same are ... " Chaosdruid (talk) 07:39, 13 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Hmmm... still some problems. For example Kamalnagar has a userbox that had a sic? template next to one red link village. I removed that and the hidden category has now disappeared from the Kamalnagar page (and from around 30-40 others probably, in fact every article on that template had the category). There were 148 pages on the list as of now, I will see how many I can eliminate.
 * I will take a look at the rest and see what, if anything, should be done to sort it out. A couple of the pages I looked at are C or B class. Chaosdruid (talk) 08:12, 13 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks for fixing that. All those settlements were indeed appearing on the CatScan list of articles, and now they are not. But since they didn't actually have a copy edit tag the number of articles left in the queue did not go down. --Diannaa (talk) 13:56, 13 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Oh pooh-sticks! I spent this afternoon whittling them down, managed to reduce them to 118 lol! Chaosdruid (talk) 16:49, 13 July 2011 (UTC)

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Bundy Image Issues
Hey, Diannaa! I must say that I'm losing confidence that the FA is going to happen if over 90% (or more) of the images in the article are going to be challenged and removed. I figured we'd have potential problems with the Utah mug shot, Caryn Campbell and "fit of rage" images, but if all the images from the Florida Memory Project are going to be challenged: I'd just as soon withdraw my nomination for FAC. It passed GAN with these images, and I've had vicious battles in the past with "image deletionists". I've brought up copyright issues before and was told that the WMF was better insulated against copyright lawsuits than most companies. I'd rather have this the best-written GA around than an FA stripped of all imagery. I'm sure I could gain consensus to keep it at GA rather than succumb to image-gutting at FAC. If the image issue cannot be sorted out in a reasonable manner, I feel very strongly that I will have to raise the issue of withdrawing the nomination on the talk page. We live in a visual world, and if FU rationale is going to get twisted even when every precaution has been taken to satisfy the "requirements" so that there are no images left on this article: screw that. Just my 2p - let me know what you think when you have the time. Cheers :> Doc   talk  04:36, 16 July 2011 (UTC)
 * I am OK with removing the photos of the victims; the pic of Campbell is clearly a yearbook photo that subseqently appeared in a newspaper (note the pixellated effect typical of newspaper pics of that era) and is thus not likely ok. I would like to keep as many pics as possible, obviously. There are several taken by Vidor that they will not be able to remove, and they think that File:Ted Bundy mug shot.jpg will be allowed. Photos taken in the hallway at the jail are very likely taken by govt of Florida employees, as the press would not have access. Many of the pics we are using are included in Rule and Nelson, which I will pick up on Monday when I go to work; there will be proper photo credits, and any that were taken by govt employees in the course of their duties should be OK to keep; see . I need a new battery and my car appointment is not until Tuesday. It is a 30-min walk to the library so I will not be making a special trip there to pick up the books. --Diannaa (talk) 16:11, 16 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Maybe I can save you a few minutes. In Rule 1989, File:Ted_Bundy_headshot.jpg is credited in an uncropped version as from Wide World Photos. "Uncropped" meaning you can see his right hand raised. Interestingly, UPI used the cropped image currently in the infobox on one of their recent articles, and there is no "UPI/(Insert name)" photo credit like there is for 99% of their images on that site (look around - these credits are under just about every picture). Corbis lays claim to the same image. UPI is not to my knowledge owned by Bill Gates (yet ;P) yet both agencies lay claim to the same image and want to charge for it. The benevolent state of Florida comes along and says, "You know what, you greedy bastards, this photo was taken in our state and is part of our state history." Whether the copyrights have truly expired or not is between UPI, Corbis and the state of Florida. And then WP:Commons. Jus' sayin'. Doc   talk  03:40, 18 July 2011 (UTC)
 * The one with the horrid eyes that we currently have in the info box was likely taken on the same day and by the same photographer as the one where he is leaning on the wall (File:TedBundyprisonFlorida.jpg - the clothes and hair match). The caption we have for the one leaning against the wall states that it was taken during a press conference; where that piece of info came from, I don't know. We do know for sure that the "toolkit" photo was taken by a govt employee who photographed it as evidence. If we refuse to remove the photos, citing the State of Florida's claim of ownership, the article might still pass FA. Or not. Unfortunately the Commons is the Rodney Dangerfield wiki, they don't get no respect, so even though one of their admins has given the pics an official okey-dokey, they are still being questioned. I want to clear up a couple of other points using these sources as well: we need a date for Boone's divorce and confirmation that her whereabouts is unknown, as the cite from Rule's website has gone 404 on us; we need something from Nelson that states exactly which crimes he was executed for; and we need to confirm that both Bundy and Kloepfer owned VW Beetles. --Diannaa (talk) 03:56, 18 July 2011 (UTC)
 * The "horrid eyes" image will have to stay if any Florida pictures stay: it's one of the most iconic of him there is. The grumblings seem to indicate that the images need to stay unless they are proven beyond a reasonable doubt that they cannot. I'll look into the other cites, but on quick glance I see that the last quote came originally from Rule 1989, p.156: "A lug wrench, taped halfway up, under the seat of my car. He said it was for my protection. Plaster of paris in his room. Crutches. He had an Oriental knife in a kind of wooden case that he kept in the glove compartment of my car. Sometimes it was there; sometimes it was gone. He had a meat cleaver. I saw him pack it when he moved to Utah." No mention that I can find that her car was actually a VW: this will certainly have to be clarified. For Ted to always have used a VW might have been too obvious even for him. Thanks for getting back to me - I'm looking into things. Doc   talk  04:24, 18 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Michaud and Aynesworth (1999) mentions he owned a 1958 VW and later a 1968 VW. Vidor has already responded to that question, so we can put that query to an end. Another person has posted a list of edits and I have commented on the page. I can't edit it so close to bed time, will do tomorrow, if no one else acts on it first. --Diannaa (talk) 04:45, 18 July 2011 (UTC)
 * I have answered all current questions on the FAC page, except the issue about the photographs. --Diannaa (talk) 20:53, 18 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Excellent! One question: you mentioned that we weren't allowed to "tick off things or interweave our replies" on the FAC page, but every other FA nomination has these. Are you sure that others looking at it know that all the concerns have been addressed? Maybe we should prominently link your sandbox page, or something to let others know that the changes were made. Thanks! Doc   talk  03:40, 19 July 2011 (UTC)
 * I am not gonna get bossy with these people; they have done it before, and so have I. Just chill, please. No deadline and all that. --Diannaa (talk) 04:10, 19 July 2011 (UTC)


 * Oh, just one more thing. In regards to this: I personally would at least remove the "advanced state of decomposition" thing from the lede. The article mentions that he would "...lie with his victims and have sex with their decomposing bodies until putrefaction forced him to stop." Putrefaction occurs earlier than the further decomposition and eventual skeletonization of human remains, and this could certainly be implied from "advanced decomposition" as it is now. I may do it myself if I can find the right words. Cheers... Doc   talk  04:13, 19 July 2011 (UTC)


 * Jeez such pleasant thoughts at bedtime. Go ahead and edit it --Diannaa (talk) 04:36, 19 July 2011 (UTC)


 * ✅ 'Nite! Doc   talk  04:38, 19 July 2011 (UTC)

Request
Hello, possible request. Is it possible to develop an article Corbin Bleu and become a good article See the article Arabic wikipedia good article, can you?--77.31.36.7 (talk) 15:25, 16 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the suggestion, but I have not got the time to help you, and have no interest in the subject matter. If you want help with copy edits, please feel free to list it on the copy edit requests page. Regards, --Diannaa (talk) 15:28, 16 July 2011 (UTC)


 * Look at this version will help you to become a good article look--77.31.36.7 (talk) 15:54, 16 July 2011 (UTC)
 * I am not interested. So sorry, --Diannaa (talk) 15:55, 16 July 2011 (UTC)

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Reminder
Just a reminder, starting tomorrow I will not be completely available until the 21st, as I will be on vacation. The Utahraptor Talk/Contribs 00:58, 17 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Ok. --Diannaa (talk) 02:57, 17 July 2011 (UTC)

Request
Hi, I have listed this article for FL. The reviewer feels the reference formatting has to be improved. I had already submitted a request at the Guild, but no response yet. If you're interested can you do that. -- Commander (Ping Me) 07:12, 17 July 2011 (UTC)
 * I have gotten started. One reason why you are getting an incorrect result is because if you use the field "work", the template automatically places the name of the work in italics. So if you code for italics, it actually removes the necessary italics. --Diannaa (talk) 18:59, 17 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Ok, the job is done. I placed the url in the "work" field and the publisher's name in the "publisher" field. All the fields are listed in the same order for each cite. If you have any questions please let me know. --Diannaa (talk) 20:36, 17 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks a ton! -- Commander (Ping Me) 17:00, 18 July 2011 (UTC)
 * It was said in the review that it's not necessary to include the "hard-code of the url in the references like www.indiatimes.com etc". I didn't get his point clearly. Could you clarify it. -- Commander (Ping Me) 12:01, 21 July 2011 (UTC)
 * I think they mean that you should remove the contents from the "work" field if it is a website address. They also want you to check that all the links to the references are working properly. --Diannaa (talk) 13:58, 21 July 2011 (UTC)

Newsletter
Hi

Is there something wrong with the thumbnail on the newsletter? It seems to show a large gap between the bottom axis and the last point on the yellow line but, once clicked on, the image file shows hardly any gap - is it perhaps showing an older version in the thumbnail?

The image thumbnail from the file page shows the thumbnail differs from the one in the newsletter. Chaosdruid (talk) 17:27, 17 July 2011 (UTC)


 * I am getting a different result. The first graph is present and the second one is totally missing. It looks like the Commons is having issues with displaying thumbnails again. Hopefully it will be resolved by the time we are ready to send out the newletter. --Diannaa (talk) 17:35, 17 July 2011 (UTC)

I Am Yours

 * I ran onto a tube-station platform in north-east London with a minute to spare, but could not work out which way along the line the train was going. I asked a shortish bloke in some weird all black outfit, which included a long black coat that had just become fashionable and a low wide-brimmed hat, whether or not the next train was going to the station I wanted. He replied that it was and turned round towards me to finish off his sentence. When he turned to face me I noticed, more than anything else, his hammer and sickle ear-rings. He said it was the one I wanted and as it was pulling in to the platform he turned back away from me. He seemed familiar. Lo and behold some ten months later there was a documentary on TV and there was Clapton with the hammer and sickle ear-rings! Where I was staying had a Rolls-Royce on the next street with the number plate "EC 1", it all made sense!
 * I never did bump into him again, but what do you say to a man that has influenced your love of guitar and is one of the reasons I play it.
 * As you say, Clapton is a god, and I was not worthy! Poss. my fav Clapton track Chaosdruid (talk) 13:36, 18 July 2011 (UTC)
 * The "Clapton is God" saying was famously written as graffitti all over London when he first visited there. Did you know Duane Allman also played guitar on the Derek and the Dominos album? But Clapton played guitar on "While My Guitar Gently Weeps." My knowldege of trivia is, ahem, encyclopedic. Thanks for the clip. --Diannaa (talk) 14:24, 18 July 2011 (UTC) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=46pGv-cQFEo&feature=related
 * Oh, forgot to say, you talked to Clapton, you lucky shit. Some people have all the luck :) What a cool story. --Diannaa (talk) 19:16, 18 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Lol :¬) I similarly have encountered other less-famous people that I did not recognise until after the event, or did-not-know-what-to-say-so-said-nothing incidents, including Joan Armatrading, Jeremy Clarkson and Will Mellor. My most regrettable was while standing in the queue during the Newark airport delay in Jan 2010. I commented to my brother on the lovely rear of a lady dressed in tight leggings in front  of me, thinking I was ok as she had earpieces in - she pulled one out and turned round and smiled - it was Annabella Sciorra that I had much admired after watching her in L&O:CI (I only found out later from Wiki that she had been in The Sopranos) - turned out it was me that was "the ass"! Chaosdruid (talk) 04:02, 19 July 2011 (UTC)

Copyedit drive rollover question
Hi Diannaa, I have a question about rollover words for the July copyedit drive. In May I copy-edited Dugong* from the Requests page, which contained 4915 words at the time I started. However, I didn't record or mention this in the May drive. Is it permissible to add these words (with the 50% markup) as rollover words for my entry in the July drive? --Demiurge1000 (talk) 10:27, 18 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Unfortunately the bonus during the May drive was for articles from 2009 rather than for those taken from the requests list. Did you sign up for the May drive? Chaosdruid (talk) 14:11, 18 July 2011 (UTC)


 * The rules for the May drive were different from the rules for the July drive? Ah, OK. And no, I didn't sign up for the May drive, which is why I'm unsure whether those words can be counted for rollover or not. --Demiurge1000 (talk) 14:21, 18 July 2011 (UTC)


 * No, since you did not sign up or edit during the May drive, you do not get to include this copy edit. That's us sneakily getting you to participate in all the drives so you don't lose your rollover words ;) --Diannaa (talk) 00:33, 19 July 2011 (UTC)

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Re: Requests for adminship/Qwyrxian
You have excellent taste in nominees...  S ven M anguard  Wha?  00:36, 19 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks. My first nomination. --Diannaa (talk) 00:39, 19 July 2011 (UTC)

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Wannabe
Hi Diannaa, I just wanted to thank you for taking the time to copy-edit the article. Your help is really appreciated. Regards. Frcm1988 (talk) 03:40, 22 July 2011 (UTC)
 * You're welcome --Diannaa (talk) 17:49, 22 July 2011 (UTC)

IP sock puppets
Hi. Do you remember my last post to you about Markelmitchell and his MOS vandalism? Well, his vandalism has come back in the form of numerous IP addresses that share the same edits to WP:Albums articles. Most of them edit the same article Markelmitchell got blocked for, 51/50 Ratchet (basically every IP you see at the article's history since his edits). I've been reverting their edits to that and other articles for the past couple of months, but fear that I will end up getting into an edit war/3RR. I don't think I can report them since they become inactive after 2 or 3 reverts to their edits, coming back under a different IP address. So what can I do about this? Dan56 (talk) 16:35, 22 July 2011 (UTC)
 * The reason they have a new IP address every time is because they are using a dial-up service, and every time they connect to the internet they are assigned a different IP. The way to handle this is a range block. It looks like our user is the only person editing lately from this IP range, so I am going to lay a range block down, for a week. For future reference, the range is 4.227.56.0/21. We can re-block later if the activity resumes. Thank you for reporting this. --Diannaa (talk) 17:46, 22 July 2011 (UTC)

About the translation...
I meant to delete that part before posting on Wikipedia. I was just playing around on Google translation to see how it would look, and did not remove that last part when copying and pasting--it's my first time using that system (and had I known to read the Japanese lettering afterwards, I would have noticed that, but I didn't it.) Diligent007 (talk) 19:00, 24 July 2011 (UTC)

de-listed
Hi

Hope you are ok. I was going to do the same thing last night, but fell asleep on the couch before trying to find the connections between them all. I thought it very off that they had contacted 30 editors but "weren't canvassing" and only "informing them of a chance to comment". From the reactions I suppose I should be grateful I dodged that bullet, though I would have gladly taken it in your place. Chaosdruid (talk) 15:51, 25 July 2011 (UTC)


 * Seemed like a good idea at the time. Thanks for thinking of me. --Diannaa (talk) 18:49, 25 July 2011 (UTC)

YGM
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Thank you kindly
You're welcome, glad to do it. --Diannaa (talk) 01:00, 27 July 2011 (UTC)

So Now What?
It's been "archived". Yay. We satisfied most of the reviewer's requests, and the only thing even really close to an "Oppose" aside from the image issues (which is a Commons issue first and foremost) recommended that the article be "A" class. What's the deal, in your opinion? Cheers... Doc  talk  05:21, 28 July 2011 (UTC)
 * To promote to FA class there has to be a consensus among the reviewing persons that it meets the criteria. That didn't happen, we didn't even get one support. The instructrions for "A" Class promotion are here. --Diannaa (talk) 14:07, 28 July 2011 (UTC)

Aviación Del Noroeste
I've de-prodded this article. A book/magazine source appears to have been provided, and a quick search of the 'net confirms the airline's existence. I've informed the Airlines WP of the proposal and deprod. Hopefully they will pitch in and improve the article. Mjroots2 (talk) 09:24, 28 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Ok, sounds good. Thank you for notifying --Diannaa (talk) 18:43, 28 July 2011 (UTC)

IP 94.156.40.82
He's back to being disruptive again, even at the White American article. Flyer22 (talk) 03:02, 30 July 2011 (UTC)
 * I have placed a warning on their talk page. If you could continue to keep an eye on this editor for me that would be great, as I am super busy. Thanks. --Diannaa (talk) 03:27, 30 July 2011 (UTC)

Good idea. Non-experts can rarely figure out what's accurate without a source after all. 94.156.40.82 (talk) 12:09, 30 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Well, the truth is, Wikipedia policy demands well-sourced content. WP:RS --Diannaa (talk) 13:06, 30 July 2011 (UTC)

Wow, only 2 more for a bicentennial
I notice that you are only 2 away from a magical 200! That would mean that you have done 200/500+ : 40% of the total!

Does Torchiest hold the record? (He did 250 in the May 2010 drive) Chaosdruid (talk) 04:00, 30 July 2011 (UTC)


 * O ye of little know. There are many I did not log. I be way over the mark, and likely beat Torchie. I just get so sick of doing all that math. --Diannaa (talk) 04:07, 30 July 2011 (UTC)


 * Nooooo! Not my totals gold!!! Nooooo! lol :¬)


 * Aw shit. I never thought of that :/
 * Lol, I shouldn't worry about that really, it is just a gold badge after all, it's not like I am going to get a trip to Moonbase1 or a gold plated iPad :¬) Chaosdruid (talk) 16:10, 31 July 2011 (UTC)
 * I don't actually want to go to outer space any more, and will likely never even ride the Mindbender. I am gonna go try to beef up out totals now, and will post a few to get over the double century mark. ;) --Dianna (talk) 16:15, 31 July 2011 (UTC)
 * ! Not many malls have rollercoasters I bet, my friend had a poster of that mall but she did no tell me about the rc. Alberta and Saskatchewan are two places I really need to visit as West Canada is in my top ten areas to visit, though Canada would probably account for 4 or 5 of my top 20. My brother didn't have enough spare time when I was in NY state visiting him. Yellowknife (along with the Great Slave(y) Lake), Edmonton, Banff and Calgary were on my list of places to see for many years. There used to be a scheme many years ago where one could go over, clear an acre and after a year of not dying they would give you another one etc. My friend and I were well up for it but he chickened out and I lost faith and started college. Wish I had done it now...I do have the next best thing though (sort of) - Hiccups and Corner Gas, though I only watched the first 4 out of season one of CG so far - they do make me laugh, they even have sarcasm, something American comedies don't really have as any that do seem to get pulled after 4 or 5 episodes :¬)
 * Well, one more drive over, did you put all your articles up? I hope you didn't keep any back, we need to it that 10%! Chaosdruid (talk) 01:10, 1 August 2011 (UTC)
 * I have seasons one through four of Corner Gas on DVD. I like the fact that there is no laugh track. It is a show about nothing, like Seinfeld, but set in Saskatchewan rather than NYC. Did you know Saskatchewan is Canada's most perfectly-shaped province? Because it is a rectangle. I learned this from Season 3, Episode 12.
 * I hope you did not study math in college. Because if I copy edit an article and remove the tag, it makes the backlog go down, whether I add it to my tally or not, heh heh. --Dianna (talk) 01:27, 1 August 2011 (UTC)

End-of-drive newsletter
The first draft of the end-of-drive newsletter for the Guild of Copy Editors July 2011 drive is available for editing here. The Utahraptor Talk/Contribs 14:51, 31 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Can you recheck please, I had 2 ecs and want to make sure I haven't altered it too much from your edit. Sorry about that. Chaosdruid (talk) 16:08, 31 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Ok, did some more edits. We will have to tweek it again after the cut-off, to update the numbers. --Dianna (talk) 16:23, 31 July 2011 (UTC)

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Reply to GOCE drive query
Those are articles from the Requests page and it says at the top of the July drive page that we should leave that for you guys to calculate? But now I'm thinking I was supposed to put in the ACTUAL word count and you guys would calculate that extra 50 percent so let me go ahead and do that now.--Aichikawa (talk) 13:45, 1 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Yes, that is correct. If you could put the actual word count, and we will calculate the bonus. --Dianna (talk) 14:53, 1 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Done. And not to be snippy, but who check the coordinators' work? I looked at Chaosdruid's last entry, Starwood (nightclub), and it needs some obvious (copyediting) work.--Aichikawa (talk) 22:37, 1 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Not snippy at all, well spotted, feel free to copyedit it and correct anything I have missed. I have already spotted three things lol :¬) If significant enough I will remove the article from my totals, as it was done as part of this, rather than as part of the drive. Chaosdruid (talk) 00:51, 2 August 2011 (UTC)
 * 1 missing comma, 1 missing space, 1 caps that should be lower (1 spelling of befell that is poss AmEng) - I cannot see anything else, though you may be able to, and any major changes would probably be editing rather than Copy editing. Chaosdruid (talk) 03:45, 2 August 2011 (UTC)

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Design management
Hi

I was just looking at that, but had to go and deal with the huge psychology request. I will start after making a sandwich, and a cup of tea, which I intend to consume while watching Corner Gas Series 2 ep. 6 & 7 :¬) Chaosdruid (talk) 20:10, 2 August 2011 (UTC)


 * :) --Dianna (talk) 20:54, 2 August 2011 (UTC)
 * XD --Dianna (talk) 23:26, 2 August 2011 (UTC)


 * Chain mail passed along to Raptor :¬) User talk:The Utahraptor Chaosdruid (talk) 23:32, 2 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Many thanks. We will get it done somehow! --Dianna (talk) 00:19, 3 August 2011 (UTC)

Hi Diannaa, thanks for copy-editing the design management article, a great job. I see that you removed the copy-edit template from the article page and probably cleaned the June drive. In my opinion two sections "role & responsibility" and "hierarchy" are not yet copy-edited. If I am wrong please remove the section-copy-edit-templates as well, otherwise undo your article-copy-edit deletion. Best Wiki4des (talk) 17:08, 8 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Ok, you are right. I will do it now. --Dianna (talk) 19:15, 8 August 2011 (UTC)
 * perfect, thanks a lot :-) Wiki4des (talk) 20:01, 8 August 2011 (UTC)

Requests page backlog
I have come up with a way to reduce the backlog on the Guild's Requests page. Each of the Guild's coordinators will copy edit one article per day for however long it takes to completely reduce the backlog. We should start with the oldest requests first, then work our way to the more recent requests. As it has happened before, there are probably several users who requested a copy edit of an article in July that are dissatisfied because their request hasn't been taken care of yet. Also, to prevent this from ever happening again, I think at least one of our coordinators and several volunteers should keep a constant eye on the Requests page in between Backlog elimination drives. What do you think? The Utahraptor Talk/Contribs 21:33, 3 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Sorry, I somehow missed this post. The wait is presently only two to three weeks max, so it's not horrible. Some huger articles cannot be completed in one day. We need to offer a bonus for Requests page work during all our drives. I work on the requests page something chronic and it never does seem to go down, so yeah. I am going to be working on Requests  --Dianna (talk) 05:08, 5 August 2011 (UTC)

Most articles copyedited on first day.
Greetings, Diannaa! I apologize for being largely absent during the copyediting drive for July; there were a lot of family matters occurring. But to the point: I notice in the page determining the barnstars everyone receives, it mentions Chaosdruid as copyediting the most articles on the first day, with 2. But, if you'll look at my listing on the last revision of the drive page on July 1st, I had completed 13 the same day. Wilhelmina Will (talk) 23:00, 3 August 2011 (UTC)
 * That's much better!

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 * What? Most on first day (2) ? I demand you recheck all those figures!!(joking) No I don't, as I know your head probably hurts like hell after all that hard work - I just cannot believe that is right, where was everybody else? Major bling lol, I want to be General Von Blingenberry by next drive lmao ;¬) Chaosdruid (talk) 20:55, 3 August 2011 (UTC)

(↑ comment pasted from above)
 * I thought there was something strange going on there :¬) Chaosdruid (talk) 23:08, 3 August 2011 (UTC)
 * My bad!! I only looked in the leader board. This is why we prepare the document in advance, so errors can be caught before the barnstars go out. Sorry, Wilhelmina Will. I will fix this error immediately! --Dianna (talk) 01:39, 4 August 2011 (UTC)
 * @Chaosdruid, "Where was everybody else?!?" Is this is a sneaky way to try to get me to reveal my location on the Canada Day long weekend? You know I was out of town on ninja-business. I will not crack that easily, my friend. --Dianna (talk) 01:42, 4 August 2011 (UTC)

Western alienation
Hi

Can you take a look the this article Western alienation and maybe make some comments on the talk page? I realise you are probably very busy, but as an outsider it seems more rooted in past politics than current - though obviously I know nothing about it other than the few sources I have found, most of which talk about the pre-1970s and especially about the late 19th century and post World War II. Chaosdruid (talk) 00:37, 4 August 2011 (UTC)
 * I'll give you alienation! I'll give you Let the Eastern bastards freeze in the dark ! But seriously folks, I will have a look and see what is what. --Dianna (talk) 02:03, 4 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Everything in the article is true, but it is all unsourced; it is all stuff "everybody knows". I am getting a book from the library and will try to fill in some of the citations. --Dianna (talk) 02:15, 4 August 2011 (UTC)

Good work
Good work in the article Corbin Bleu Thanks. Possible to coordinate Sources Such as this article Ashley Tisdale,To become the best. --94.96.63.132 (talk) 04:59, 5 August 2011 (UTC)

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Sri Lanka
I am of the same view which you have expressed at Sri Lanka Armed Forces that Properly sourced content should not be removed and reinstated the 'War Crime" section on Sri Lanka. HudsonBreeze (talk) 18:44, 5 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Thank you for helping to monitor this article. --Dianna (talk) 19:11, 5 August 2011 (UTC)

Barnstar question
What barnstar would I give Chaosdruid for completing the largest single article? The Utahraptor Talk/Contribs 23:35, 6 August 2011 (UTC)
 * There is an example here. --Dianna (talk) 23:37, 6 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks. The Utahraptor Talk/Contribs 23:44, 6 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Alright, I'm done with my part. If there's anything else I can do to help, just let me know. The Utahraptor Talk/Contribs 23:56, 6 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I am done also. Smoke 'em if you got 'em. --Dianna (talk) 00:03, 7 August 2011 (UTC)
 * No problem, I will start right away (well, after coffee). I just watched the final episode of my Corner Gas Marathon, all six series, I cannot focus on my monitor now lol. Chaosdruid (talk) 00:37, 7 August 2011 (UTC)
 * (off subject) Funny how time zones work. You're getting your morning coffee and I just finished dinner. ;) The Utahraptor Talk/Contribs 00:48, 7 August 2011 (UTC)
 * @Raptor - Thanks for the extra bstar btw! I'm in the UK and it's 01:57 here so yup, sort of morning coffee :¬) It would be tea but I ran out of milk... Chaosdruid (talk) 01:01, 7 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Corner Gas: I like the one with the revenge brunch. How about the one with the Lego? Hank had to burn a building down because he didn't have enough Lego to finish his model of the town. I watched all the Sopranos episodes on DVD over the course of several weeks and am now permanently bent. Favourite episode: Pine Barrens. I am off to wikify, TTYL --Dianna (talk) 01:04, 7 August 2011 (UTC)
 * They never did let us know if Wanda's son was her's and Hank's love child, the burning of that shack was a good one, I liked the birthday cake one and the tree and bench, oh! and the prairie-dogs/Emma as mayor/Wanda on CTV ... Shame there weren't more of them. Ah well, maybe a film will eventually appear. Chaosdruid (talk) 01:23, 7 August 2011 (UTC)
 * I am suddenly craving a chili cheese dog. --Dianna (talk) 01:38, 7 August 2011 (UTC)

Just a heads up, I'm going to the Bingham Canyon Mine and maybe to a couple ghost towns tomorrow, so I'll be unavailable most of the day. The Utahraptor Talk/Contribs 02:45, 7 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Ok! have a great time :) --Dianna (talk) 03:06, 7 August 2011 (UTC)
 * I am noticing that we did not do too well on checks towards the end of the drive. I thought it strange that after yours and my discussion about the total words on the 30th, there should be someone between us on the 31st, especially as they were not even on the leaderboard on the 30th!?!
 * I went and looked at Wikid77: claimed 1730 should be 0 (changed the tag only);  claimed 6061 should have been 1120 (partial edit); and  claimed 5931, should have been 952 (partial edit). That was from quick totals checks on the highest out of the last five or so and, if I am right, a total of 11,650 over-claimed on just those articles. It may even mean that, if more were checked, there would have been changes on the leaderboard; you would possibly have been 2nd in total words for a start.
 * I found it strange that the total of 82 articles was missed, especially as I was checking the lists for editors getting more than 10 total articles right up until the last week, though the last two days I was doing that little project on recent additions. They had 24 completed on the 30th, and suddenly 82 by the 31st? There is something strange going on there, as they were updating the GAN totals up to three times a day during the last 3 or 4 days of the drive, whilst not updating their own totals. I would suggest going through them, but it seems a little "after the horse has bolted". They should at least be told to update on a regular basis, as we need to check 10%, or to suffer some sort of penalty.
 * I realise that there is a need to not discourage editors, but surely there is a need to discourage them from such practices as claiming full word counts for partial copyedits and claiming 1,730 for removing one tag.
 * Feel free to move this to the coordinators page if you feel more input is required. Chaosdruid (talk) 14:58, 7 August 2011 (UTC)
 * He did not appear on the leader board until the end because I added him in. A few of the articles that were copy edited did not have a copy edit tag. He did not have word counts on all of the articles, so I asked him what the deal was. Did he want to get credit for these articles, and if so, I would retrieve the information for him. We typically have a problem with this slippage in auditing people towards the end of the drive. Point well taken. Something to be more careful of in the future. Definitely this particular editor will have to be more closely monitored next drive if they participate. Sorry about that, I had some real life stuff that was consuming much of my energy and did not do as much as I should have. I need a clone --Dianna (talk) 15:23, 7 August 2011 (UTC)
 * I investigated a bit more, and he joined the drive on the 15th, and posted 3 articles on that day. He updated again on the 23rd, when he had 24 articles done. Then updated to 60 on the 30th, and updated twice on the 31st, to 74 and finally 83 articles. There was one duplicate listing so the end total was 82. It appears he was making his list elsewhere and adding to the GOCE page in large batches. I do this too, but add them to the GOCE page every day or two. Do you want to put a message about keeping better records on their page right now? Or should we wait and see what happens next drive? --Dianna (talk) 15:36, 7 August 2011 (UTC)
 * I think this is two-fold, though single solution. The issue of not keeping records led to us not catching the bigger problem of incorrect totals (though not made by themselves).
 * I did note that at 24 articles there were no totals anyway, as they instead had (?) and (huge), which would indicate an inability to calculate, rather than anything else. I would prefer that we begin dialogue with them and inform them of the scripts for "Page size" and "DYK count" and help them if they are unable to install them.
 * The issue of totals would also be affected by that and your reply, and so I would not wish any punishment on them (except maybe a jolly good trouting to someone? me, you, them, all of us? lol a mass trouting) as it was not their sole responsibility that the totals were calculated in that way (and I should have caught the (?) thingy). I feel this should definitely be mentioned to them also, as it has caused a large discrepancy in the numbers, and put you at risk for having to do their work for them. Once we are sure they understand how to install and perform page sizing, they would then have sole responsibility for any totals produced during future drives.
 * PS - No, I would never underhandedly try and discover where you were on your Ninja outings! (pushes tracking device under monitor so Diannaa does not see it)
 * PPS - I must admit that a Chilli Dog with Cheese is something I need to try now. (Strange, but for some reason I keep wanting to put Chilli rather than Chili, perhaps an ENGVAR issue?) Chaosdruid (talk) 17:36, 7 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Yah, sorry, it looks like the overages are my fault as I did not realise that some were only tag removals and some were partial copy edits. I could have caught this if I had taken more time to evaluate his work a bit better; my bad. Do we trout vegetarians? With tofu? I get pretty wrapped up in trying to keep the article count going down, so much that I don't even bother to keep my stats any more or draw articles from the requests page. Maybe I got to stop taking it quite so seriously, eh? That would leave more time for the audits and educating new copy editors. I will put something on their talk page, as presumably they will be back next drive. What's this DYK script of which you speak? I am not familiar with that one. I will be gone from August 20 to 30 to a secret location in Europe. Actually it is my travelling companion who is the famous one (no, it is not Justin Bieber), I am merely well-known in a Canadian sort of way, ha ha. I will remind everyone closer to the date. My favourite Chili Cheese Dog memory is Lacey and Brent both biting into opposite ends of the same chili cheese dog at the same time. True love? --Dianna (talk) 20:45, 7 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Plenty of Tofu options ;¬), or  lol Chaosdruid (talk) 10:45, 8 August 2011 (UTC)
 * These have the disadvantage of not being slimy and wet. "Revenge is a brunch served with nice biscuits." --Dianna (talk) 14:08, 8 August 2011 (UTC)

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Thanks
Hi Diannaa. What an amazing job you did for the July drive! Thanks very much for all you do to keep things going and to make the GoCE such a nice group to take part in. Cheers, Simon. --Stfg (talk) 10:26, 8 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Thank you for taking the time to say so. --Dianna (talk) 02:18, 9 August 2011 (UTC)

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Curious coincidence
I thought it mildly interesting that the contributions of an IP address should focus on Rabbi Boteach and on Middle Eastern politics. That specific and relatively unusual combination, reminds me of someone who used to post on Wikipedia a lot; although the writing style looks different in some ways. --Demiurge1000 (talk) 15:41, 9 August 2011 (UTC)
 * And the user is from Massachusetts. not NY. But it could be him. Thanks for informing me. --Dianna (talk) 01:32, 10 August 2011 (UTC)

A Question
Hey, Diannaa! Knowing that you're in the Guild of copyeditors, I'm quite sure you've dealt with copyvio issues many times. Here's my issue: I've found a GA article (Dennis Rodman) that in one small section alone I've corrected 3 separate cut-and-paste blatant copyvios (with the sources conveniently provided for incontrovertible evidence). I've brought up the issue on the talk page, but no one's biting so far. Before I look into who actually added the copyvios: is there some kind of "copyvio" bot that can check this entire article that you know of? I seem to remember seeing it happen somewhere before, but I can't remember what article or bot. What would you do in my shoes, where you've discovered multiple copyvios in just one section of a GA? I appreciate any advice you could give me! Doc  talk  00:55, 11 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Eep. Kindly disregard the above, as I shoulda done my homework before I asked you. It seems one IP added multiple copyvios from multiple sources in one shot recently. Good work with the music choices, as always! Doc   talk  01:47, 11 August 2011 (UTC)
 * I am gonna answer your question anyway for teh talk page watchers. I know there are some copyvio search bots, as they tag new articles for speedy deletion. I don't know how to check a particular article using a bot. Coren Search Bot is down right now. There is a duplication detector available at Toolserver: http://toolserver.org/~dcoetzee/duplicationdetector/ but you need to know the suspected source of the copy vio. Often I take a chunk of text and plug it into Google to look for potential sources for large unwikified blocks of text that are dropped of a piece into an article. But the longer a chunk of text is in the article, the tougher it gets to locate the source, because the material will begin to appear in Wikipedia mirror sites. You can get expert advice on copy vio issues from User:Moonriddengirl and her team. The place to start is WP:COPYVIO. --Dianna (talk) 02:05, 11 August 2011 (UTC)

Notifying users at the GOCE Requests page
It may interest you to have a look at this page. I'm not sure how often users are notified when their requests are completed, so I decided to create a template for that purpose. What do you think? The Utahraptor Talk/Contribs 20:23, 11 August 2011 (UTC)
 * I like it, but I think we already have a template for this purpose. --Dianna (talk) 21:58, 11 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Yes, it's at Template:GOCEtb. Slon gave me the link. I knew there was a page for it, I just couldn't remember the link. Oh well, just as vandal fighters customize their own warning templates, I have customized my own Requests page notification template (that anybody is welcome to use, by the way). The Utahraptor Talk/Contribs 22:03, 11 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Ok. Thanks. --Dianna (talk) 22:05, 11 August 2011 (UTC)
 * I've edited the tl page so that the usage is correct now and added the GOCE template cats. Chaosdruid (talk) 23:00, 11 August 2011 (UTC)
 * PS - While we are on the subject of templates, is this one any use? Template:GOCEreviewed/sandbox Chaosdruid (talk) 00:33, 12 August 2011 (UTC)
 * How does it differ from the template? --Dianna (talk) 03:32, 12 August 2011 (UTC)
 * It is specific to the requests page, links to GOCE req, text altered to be more specific to requests:
 * "A member of the Guild of Copy Editors reviewed a version of this article for copy editing after a request on the GOCE requests page. However, a major copy edit was inappropriate at that time due to issues found in the article which have been mentioned on the requester's or article's talk page. Once these issues have been addressed, please add the article once again on the GOCE requests page. The Guild welcomes all editors with a good grasp of English to visit our project page and consider joining!"
 * There would also be a field for the link to the discussion. I realise it would not be often used, but if things pick up at the rate they are doing, I suspect there may be a use for it. For example the one I raised earlier today, the MIT one you were looking at that I had a quick look at yesterday, and the one Demiurge and Aichikawa are looking at (banned user, plagiarism/copyvio) - all three could have been templated with the GOCEreviewed template, except that it talked about tags on the page and putting the tl back on.
 * I would like us all to perform (like I think you have been doing with dashes) some initial checks on a request once it has been posted. If we semi-automate parts of the process with subst templates, which is a possibilty in the future, there will be a need for automatic templating. For example marking those that are already part of a GAN or FAC as more urgent, ones that do not need copyediting, ones that have other issues such as copyvio that prevent an immediate copy-edit etc.
 * Maybe I am over-thinking as I started drinking coffee again today after three days off lol Chaosdruid (talk) 04:06, 12 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Plenty to think about here; these are good ideas --Dianna (talk) 05:07, 12 August 2011 (UTC) There is a related discussion here. --Dianna (talk) 19:39, 12 August 2011 (UTC)
 * The water has been on for quite a while, reaching boiling point now :¬|
 * To be honest I have similar concerns regarding GOCE™ quality assurance, though I think that sort of discussion should really take place on the co-ordinators page. Having a discussion like the one on our main talk page is great, it gets it out to all members that their work is crap and they are useless lol. (that is called sarcasm if there are any tps' that are from non-commonwealth countries - ooh I suppose that was as well lol)
 * I did have a quick read of the two threads but need to get the ce done on the Dragon Quest article and will comment in a little while once on a break or finished. Chaosdruid (talk) 21:33, 12 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Where's Malleus? Normally he would be commenting about now how our level of crappiness has not yet noticeably declined. I think it's nap time, what. I am getting snarky --Dianna (talk) 21:36, 12 August 2011 (UTC)
 * He did say he was going away for a few days, though his comments have been pretty unbiased so far. Did you notice the comment on the black eye(below)?
 * Yes, I did. I am listening to the Rodrigo y Gabriela now; its really good.

Talk:Wishology
I replied to your question there. Btw, did you watch the Fairly Oddparents show before? :D 89119 (talk) 23:02, 11 August 2011 (UTC)
 * No, not much, maybe one or two episodes. But that's good; it makes it easier to spot things that need clarifying. --Dianna (talk) 03:33, 12 August 2011 (UTC)

Touch Me
Why does Robby Krieger have a black eye?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PECk9A-07Pw


 * The answer to your question had Robby waiting 20 years lol about two thirds of the way down
 * Plus, give this a go, esp. if you don't already know of Rodrigo y Gabriela - Chaosdruid (talk) 13:08, 12 August 2011 (UTC)

Splitting the Guild
A proposal to split the Guild has been brought up here. If this proposal were to go through, one part of the Guild would contain members who work on the copyedit backlog, and the other part would contain members who work on higher quality articles (GA, FA) as well as the copyedit backlog. Please see the talk page thread (link above) for more details. The Utahraptor Talk/Contribs 18:35, 12 August 2011 (UTC)

September drive
I've created the September Backlog elimination drive here. Feel free to make any changes you feel necessary. The Utahraptor Talk/Contribs 14:40, 14 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Thank you. I have made a couple further edits --Dianna (talk) 16:15, 14 August 2011 (UTC)

Request for copy editing
Hi Diannaa, if it wasn't urgent then I'd go to "Request" page. I've 2002 Asian Games medal table a FLC, and got quick oppose from user on the basis of structured language. It's my fifth nomination (rest all are successful) and IMO other than prose it has nothing to oppose of, so it's my humble request that if you have any time then please do CE there, thanks and regards. undefined — Bill william compton Talk  15:32, 14 August 2011 (UTC)
 * What you need to do is list the article at the Requests page before you take it to FAC. It is not fair to the others that have been waiting several weeks for a copy edit to jump the queue by posting here. I am going to transfer the request to the Requests page. Sorry. --Dianna (talk) 15:37, 14 August 2011 (UTC)

Kittins floating in the sky yay
Hi Diannaa! Can you assist me with User:Kittins floating in the sky yay? He's trolling all of my edits and vandalizing pages. Not sure how to go about handling this! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Beobjectiveplease (talk • contribs) 16:18, 14 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Sure, I will look at it in a couple hours. Want to do a couple things from my to-do list first ---Dianna (talk) 16:22, 14 August 2011 (UTC)
 * I have watch listed the articles involved and posted some remarks on the user's talk page. Regards, --Dianna (talk) 01:38, 15 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your help, Diannaa! Beobjectiveplease (talk) 20:38, 17 August 2011 (UTC)

The Emancipation of Mimi
Hi Diana :) I wanted to ask you a small favor (don't worry, no advanced c/e :P). SO this article is almost at the top of the list (I don't mind waiting for it to reach the top), but can I ask that the most experienced member of the GOCE be reserved for that article? I am patient. Its been waiting for 2 weeks, I don't mind another two. But this article needs the best job the GOCE editors can give, because I am looking for an FA. Its already gone through extensive work and PR, and is in very good shape, so I need someone experienced. So I hope that's not too much to ask, but do you know pretty much who is "the most experienced" member? Is it you? Well as I said, no issue with waiting, just if I can at some point get the best person for the job. Thanks a lot Lady DI :D-- CallMe Nathan  &bull;  Talk2Me   23:18, 14 August 2011 (UTC)


 * Hi there. In addition to the Grovelling, there will be cookies required. Or a kitteh. XD --Dianna (talk) 01:04, 15 August 2011 (UTC)


 * Haha, I will give you a picture of the most scrumptious cookie you've ever seen, and the cutest kitten you've ever laid eyes on ;). Don't forget me! Thank you my Lady :D-- CallMe Nathan  &bull;  Talk2Me   01:09, 15 August 2011 (UTC)

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Catch up
Hi

I am on catch-up after spending far too long on this copyedit and its notes and RL stuff.

I also have edits to complete after a GA review, my first nomination for a GA! Hopefully I can get everything up-to-date by tomorrow as well as look through all the GOCE news on the FA and GA ce comments. I already see a need to add something about the fact that there is no shiny reward for an FA or GA copyedit, only that one might get one for doing an article over 5k words. Is there anything I have missed over the last two days? My watchlist is too big, at over 4,500 articles, and I only get the last 12 hours or so - I can change my prefs to only show the most recent change, but that only gets me to 36 hours, anything before that is lost.

Hope you are well though, and looking forwards to the next drive lol I also noticed that you seem to be getting the credit for the "review by co-ordinators" idea, if it goes wrong that will be another bullet I avoided lol :¬) Chaosdruid (talk) 03:53, 17 August 2011 (UTC)


 * I started collecting my stuff for my trip to Europe today. I got a new suitcase as my return flight goes through Chicago (pray for me) so I am going to try to fit everything in a carry-on. I will be bringing my laptop and keeping up with events as best I can. It will be like my last two trips, though, where even when I am available I will not feel like doing anything too intense or complex, especially during the last four days of the trip, when the Really Big Event will be happening. The main thing you have missed is the ongoing discussion, which I think you have already caught up on. I did another round of edits on Holy Wood (In the Shadow of the Valley of Death), which you have worked on in the past, but it still won't pass FA due to issues unrelated to copy editing. My watch-list is 283 articles, and over half of that is user pages (many of which are inactive and being monitored merely for vandalism), GOCE pages, and the like. I recently dropped a lot of watchlist in a spate of WP:DGAF. Which article did you nominate for GA? --Dianna (talk) 04:14, 17 August 2011 (UTC)


 * Your pending trip is why I thought it best to try and catch up - as things might not be as together as they might be with you not around lol.
 * The GA nom is Belitung shipwreck, I need to get all the GA1 notes corrected now, it is exciting (and yes, I am easily pleased lol)
 * I am also going to go against my normal "non-reveal of my email address" and send you one relating to a recent edit...sending now!
 * Have a good trip and I hope you enjoy yourself, even though they all talk funny lol. Chaosdruid (talk) 04:34, 17 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Bloody hell, you already dealt with it, now I look like a bleedin stalker! Chaosdruid (talk) 04:37, 17 August 2011 (UTC)
 * I know a few words of German from studying WWII. But probably they are the wrong kind of words! I have a little book of phrases and a friend who speaks German who will be there. Thanks for the e-mail. Yah, I noticed that I do a lot of the work for the Guild, but when it comes time to make the big decisions or talk to other users, I am not so good at that aspect. So I appreciate the help. My computer is acting like a slug so I am signing off now. More later --Dianna (talk) 14:21, 17 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Shoot, now I semi-revealed the secret location. They are gonna take away my shiruken! I am a little stressed out. Anyway, if you could look after maintenance of the Requests page while I am gone that would be great. Also regarding the requests page, I had updated it with some coordinators instructions, but now I am not so sure consensus has been reached on whether or not we are going to do reviews. So the page will have to be brought in line with whatever the final outcome of the discussion is. We will need a drive invitation prepared and sent out; not too many people have signed up yet. Utah is good at writing these newsletters. SMasters knows how to send it out with AWB. I have arranged for an announcement in the Signpost. We could put a post on the Reward Board. I will add more later if I think of anything else. --Ninja Dianna (Talk) 15:39, 17 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Lol, to be honest I am surprised that there was no photoshopping of that church picture - a ninja out of uniform!
 * Can you and the girls possibly do a quick stop-off? I will pay $lots if these two disappear ;¬)
 * Yup, req. page and discussion monitoring and awaiting outcomes. I have sort of suggested that if no other proposal can find consensus we could consider a GOCE FA/GA taskforce. I would prefer to keep it in-house, as any new project would probably result in a de facto abandoning ship by the better copy-editors apart from on drives. Oh damn, I forgot to suggest removing the bonuses for request page edits from the drive, in an effort to remove any claims of "shiny awards" for the requests page copyedits.
 * Luggage, lol. My brother flew from Newark to Stockholm when we had a family get together a couple of years ago. I arrived two days after he did, and carried my bag out to where they all met me. Imagine my surprise when we discovered that I had his bag, it was 95% identical to mine and even had the same plastic tag on it from his business. It turned out his had been lost between Newark and Amsterdam, where they changed flights, and the airline had decided to put it onto my connecting flight from Amsterdam to get it to him. I had to go back through customs to pick mine up which they had put into holding for him to pick up! Gotta love airports :¬)
 * Anyway, have a good time and try to sample as many Bräus and wursts as possible! (hmmm.. not sure how that will work with the veggie thing lol, best I strike that one then lmao) My other brother spends a lot of time in that country, as he specialises in certain operas, though I never manage to get over to visit him while he is there.
 * PS I found a wonderful picture that sort of sums up how many UK people see the German diet, as well as the non-pc UK populous' "sausage eating krauts", as opposed the French "cheese eating surrender monkeys", our other main xenophobic target. Warning! Vegans and vegetarians may wish to skip this picture! Interestingly though, the historical UK view has been that Italians were the ones that surrendered or ran away at the drop of a hat, not the French. Chaosdruid (talk) 22:10, 17 August 2011 (UTC)
 * I was hoping to try some good cheese. In France I ate a lot of cheese and bread, as they roll up the sidewalks at around 1-2 PM and there is no food available anywhere until the shops and restaurants re-open around 6 PM. We were constantly on the verge of getting thrown out of our hotel, but why was never quite made clear. We are Canadian, ffs, not a bunch of rowdies. I was afraid to complain that the roof leaked for fear it would somehow be construed as being our fault. I had a snotty waiter mock me in Lyon for wanting coffee at 5 PM. They have a gorgeous park there, 290 acres, but there are no bathrooms. There were two outhouses in the entire park, one for each sex; a hole in the floor, no toilet, no lights. I had to illuminate my cell phone to orient myself. Excuse me, which of us is uncivilised, the one who wants a cup of joe at 5 pm or the one whose country contains those horrific shittoirs? You be the judge.
 * This idea of removing bonuses for requests from the drive is a good one. --Dianna (talk) 02:15, 18 August 2011 (UTC)
 * ChaosDruid, as a copyeditor, you need to read up on famous speeches. "Never have so many owed so much to so few..." ... ever heard of it? Well it was spoofed within months, as "never have so many surrendered so much to so few", in reference to hundreds of thousands of Italians surrendering to tens of thousands of British and Empire forces in the Western Desert. We have articles on it... Operation Compass is a starting point, but they kept surrendering again, and again, and again after that. --Demiurge1000 (talk) 02:32, 18 August 2011 (UTC)
 * No comment on the French. We know what they're like, we can s- oh never mind. --Demiurge1000 (talk) 02:32, 18 August 2011 (UTC)

Typical France...and I agree with the concept of removing bonuses for requests from our Backlog elimination drives. Have you all seen the latest update on Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Guild of Copy Editors It looks like most of us are leaning toward creating a writers workshop, so I'm pretty sure we're near the end of that discussion unless something else comes up. The Utahraptor Talk/Contribs 02:40, 18 August 2011 (UTC)
 * I don't see that - I see support for the checks from 4 or 5 and a couple, mainly Truthkeeper, saying checks might scare people away. He isn't new though, and how does someone know if their work is checked if it is ok? There would be nothing said, so how could they be offended? We check work in the drives and no one seems offended by that, so why not off the requests page - where checks are really more important? Chaosdruid (talk) 03:01, 18 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Malleus Fatuorum brought up the workshop idea earlier, and SMasters brought it up at the end of the section. And I think the workshop idea is a good one. So maybe not everyone is leaning toward that idea, but there are three users. As for the reviews, the difference between reviewing requests and drive copy edits is that we only review 10% of the copy edits in the Backlog elimination drives, and with this new idea, we'll review 100% of the copy edits in the Requests page. And as I said, we must consider the opinion of those outside of the Guild as well as those inside the Guild. That's collaboration, which is what Wikipedia is all about. Regarding people taking Requests page copy edit reviews to offense, I quote myself from the Guild's talk page: "Checking work will probably make some editors feel like they don't have good copy editing skills, and it will cause them to quit working for the Guild....As I said in one of my earlier comments, I understand that the intent of this review proposal is good, but it only takes one misunderstanding to cause another serious problem for the Guild." The Utahraptor Talk/Contribs 03:08, 18 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Truthkeeper implies that we need to be held accountable for what out editors are doing, but I don't see how that's possible unless we check their work. Obviously there will be a few editors whose work will not need to be checked, and we can accumulate that information as we go along. --Dianna (talk) 03:11, 18 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Hm...so how about after a certain amount of time/articles we stop reviewing the user/users we're reviewing? We could also have them take part in our mentorship program in addition to having their copy edits reviewed? The Utahraptor Talk/Contribs 03:17, 18 August 2011 (UTC)
 * STALKER HERE Actually, I thought I was the one who first suggested a separate Guild of Writers in this edit. Anyway, I still see copy editing and writing as different skill sets. I do not expect many of our members joining a Writers' Guild. I would think that their members would come from those who work mostly on FA or GA articles, and not from the GOCE. Having a sub-section or a taskforce will only reinforce the confusion between copy editing and pure writing, and we will be blamed for any lack of quality in this area. Hence, my suggestion that it be a completely separate entity. Just my 2 cents. BTW, despite what it says on my user page, I do actually watch a handful of other users' talk pages (like all of the GOCE coordinators). :) – SMasters (talk) 04:29, 18 August 2011 (UTC)
 * When I first suggested it, I was perhaps not clear "what we need to do now to stop these bad FA and GA copy-edits ..." followed by "... I would like to suggest that only co-ordinators remove listings from the requests page" seemed a little contradictory.
 * I did try and fix that in a later post "At present we still need to check FA/GA articles and editors work on them. This could be dropped after a time, ..." and then in another post "to checks on those at GA/FA."
 * In the proposals section I put "Mandatory checks should only be on FA and GA candidates copy-edits by new members and less-experienced editors." and "perhaps asking that anyone wanting to take on FA and GA reviews goes through an initial mentoring process?"
 * Having said that, we do get requests for articles that say things like "eventually for GA" or "I plan to put this up for GAN" Chaosdruid (talk) 14:01, 18 August 2011 (UTC)

The King's Speech: Thank you
Hi Diannaa,

Thanks for your work on The King's Speech article. I know you're busy, but do have have an opinion on the currency format issue? Thanks again and best wishes, --Ktlynch (talk) 10:59, 17 August 2011 (UTC) P.S. The Guild looks both busy and well organised. I'm going to try and help out more often. See you soon.
 * Thank you for saying so. My opinion is that the currency does not need converting. --Dianna (talk) 14:14, 17 August 2011 (UTC)

Mel Gussow
You'll notice a series of overnight edits and reverts, running the IP editor up to level 4 and me into what might look to the new observer as an edit war. I'll be away for the better part of the day - can you follow up? Thanks - JohnInDC (talk) 11:35, 18 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Actually did introduce 1 source though they pushed it a bit too far. JohnInDC (talk) 13:02, 18 August 2011 (UTC)
 * One of the sources did not contain any of the material they wanted to add. I placed some page protection and somehow hit enter with it on indefinite semi-protection, but thinking about it, I think the article is more or less complete, so I am gonna leave it that way. If new facts come to light, registered users can add them. Thanks, John, for keeping an eye on the article with me. --Dianna (talk) 13:50, 18 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Oh, goodness, thanks to you for bringing a bit of order to what had previously been a haphazard undertaking. With luck the semi-protection will solve the problem!  JohnInDC (talk) 01:53, 19 August 2011 (UTC)

September drive requests
Perhaps, for the September drive or maybe for other drives, we should think about a special barnstar that is tied directly to our goals for the drive? Yes, we already add a 50% bonus for requests page articles, but perhaps we should add another way to entice people to copyedit those articles. In the May drive we had a column in our leaderboard for 2009 articles- perhaps we could try the same with requests page articles (or just a barnstar for most articles copyedited from the requests page), to speed up the copyediting of them? Doing the same for 2010 articles would be more reasonable for when we're closer to wiping those off of the backlog, which I don't think will be soon. (Edited to add: I just read the above discussion that included removing shiny awards and the 50% bonus from the requests page. I personally do not agree with this action, as I feel that they can be and are helpful in keeping down backlogs at the requests page, which ultimately are more urgent than anything in the regular backlog.)--Slon02 (talk) 15:21, 18 August 2011 (UTC)
 * It's all related. If we are checking all the requests page copy edits, there's no reason not to leave things as-is. --Dianna (talk) 18:36, 18 August 2011 (UTC)
 * I still don't think reviewing all the requests page copy edits is a good idea, but I like the concept. As I said above, maybe we could review users up to a certain point, then once they reach that point they don't have to be reviewed anymore. The Utahraptor Talk/Contribs 18:54, 18 August 2011 (UTC)
 * It is unlikely we will be able to review everything anyways; we would start with FA and move to GA and do the rest if time permits. Time consuming not just to review but to also give needed feedback and education when things need improving. We can accumulate a list of exempt editors as time goes on. --Dianna (talk) 19:03, 18 August 2011 (UTC)

Talkback

 * I have created the invitation here. Feel free to make any changes you feel are necessary. The Utahraptor Talk/Contribs 21:45, 19 August 2011 (UTC)

Have a good vacation
Enjoy your break :¬) Chaosdruid (talk) 03:29, 20 August 2011 (UTC)

GOCE drive newsletter
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Many, many thanks ;)
Thanks a lot for everything Di :) Much appreciated!-- CallMe Nathan  &bull;  Talk2Me   20:02, 22 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the cool stuff. --Ninja Dianna (Talk) 21:37, 22 August 2011 (UTC)

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