User talk:Diannaa/Archive 10

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Dreaming of You (album)
Hey, thanks for your fantastic copy-edit work on the article, I really do appreciate all that you have done! Take care and have a great day, AJona1992 (talk) 21:09, 10 May 2011 (UTC)
 * You're welcome. -- Diannaa (Talk) 21:11, 10 May 2011 (UTC)

Margaret Henderson
Out of interest, how would you have rated this effort? It was given a light copyediting but I believe that a deeper clean-up was warranted. I left a note to the effect on the editors talk. -- Ohconfucius ¡digame! 03:05, 12 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Your work was superior but I have decided not to assess a pentalty on this one. The article was short and will not make much difference in the totals for the drive. I have posted on their talk what I decided, and hopefully their skills will improve. Thanks -- Diannaa (Talk) 00:28, 13 May 2011 (UTC)

Bowin P3
I believe this is an example of lazy and substandard copyediting. The editor basically only worked on one section, where proseline was converted into prose by removing the bullets and making minimal language to adapt. He also linked terms which were linked to in preceding sentences. The result is a mess which does not encourage reading. How ought I to deal with it? -- Ohconfucius ¡digame! 03:20, 12 May 2011 (UTC)


 * I will review both of your spot checks tomorrow and will let you know whether they warrant any penalties. Thanks for helping out. -- Diannaa (Talk) 03:29, 12 May 2011 (UTC)
 * OK, thanks. To give him the benefit of the doubt, I have asked for clarification of the status of this job on the editor's talk. -- Ohconfucius ¡digame! 03:37, 12 May 2011 (UTC)
 * He says his work is complete. -- Ohconfucius ¡digame! 10:11, 12 May 2011 (UTC)
 * It all needs to be converted to complete sentences since it is no longer in point format. I have posted a note on their talk page and will follow up for complettion. -- Diannaa (Talk) 00:35, 13 May 2011 (UTC)

A couple of yours
I've done some more copyediting to Jagiri Lal Sareen and Bielefeld Opera. I suspect it's because of my pedantic nature. ;-) -- Ohconfucius ¡digame! 08:20, 12 May 2011 (UTC)
 * My nature is sometimes too much like a meatball surgeon. Thank you. - Diannaa (Talk) 23:48, 13 May 2011 (UTC)

Something odd
Hi Diannaa, I just copyedited Playa Salvaje on the todo list from September 2009. Quite by accident, I discovered two other articles Rosalinda y Primitivo and ¿Dónde está Elisa? which are identical bar the copyedit tag. My guess is that both Playa Salvaje and Rosalinda y Primitivo should be deleted, bearing in mind that Playa Salvaje now contains a copyedited version of what should be the ¿Dónde está Elisa? article. What do you think? ► Philg88 ◄ star.png 01:29, 13 May 2011 (UTC)
 * You could turn the two unneeded articles into redirects, or nominate them for deletion. If the content is otherwise the same, I would transfer the copy edited material over to the one that is at the correct title. It looks like "Playa Salvaje" and "Rosalinda y Primitivo" were working titles that were never used. -- Diannaa (Talk) 01:38, 13 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Good idea, I will go for the redirect option with ¿Dónde está Elisa? the main article. Thanks, ► Philg88 ◄ star.png 02:57, 13 May 2011 (UTC)

Request
If its possible could you give We R Who We R a quick copy edit, it shouldn't take too long the prose just needs improved slightly. Also, i dont know if you deal with MOS, but on its FA nom (which is in process) someone claimed WP:HYPHEN violation and im not sure how to correct it. If you could give it a look that'd be great =] Thanks in advance. - (CK)Lakeshade  -  talk2me  - 23:25, 13 May 2011 (UTC)


 * The script found no issues with hypens, and the other script found no issues with ellipsis. I will go over it again for clarity and flow. -- Diannaa (Talk) 04:15, 14 May 2011 (UTC)


 * Thank so much =] - (CK)Lakeshade  -  talk2me  - 05:18, 14 May 2011 (UTC)


 * Ahahaha, thanks for this as well :P - (CK)Lakeshade  -  talk2me  - 05:44, 14 May 2011 (UTC)


 * Glad you didn't mind :) -- Diannaa (Talk) 05:52, 14 May 2011 (UTC)

Jason
Thanks for the copy edit. The article needed it.  BIGNOLE     (Contact me)  19:24, 14 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Now it is fairly squeeky clean inside and out :) It was fun. Regards, -- Diannaa (Talk) 19:26, 14 May 2011 (UTC)

Tarja Turunen
Thank you for the copy edit. Looks a lot more fluent now. --Pass3456 (talk) 19:51, 14 May 2011 (UTC)
 * You're welcome. -- Diannaa (Talk) 21:52, 14 May 2011 (UTC)

Thank you for the
Helpful Userpage there, indeed. I signed up for the backlog drive after reviewing edit policies for these past two weeks. Not sure exactly what the next step is. Bard गीता 22:38, 14 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Hi, and thank you for your interest. The drive instructions are at the Drive main page, and a step-by-step guide to the specialised copy edit needs of Wikipedia is located here. Please let me or any of the other Drive coordinators know if you need any more help getting started! Thanks, -- Diannaa (Talk) 22:53, 14 May 2011 (UTC)

GOCE drive update
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Barong
fyi, I actually meant to link to Barong... as a way of referring to Barong (mythology). 125.162.150.88 (talk) 10:40, 15 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Well I seriously don't know whats going on, that's the problem. -- Diannaa (Talk) 10:44, 15 May 2011 (UTC)
 * I am going back to bed. If you want to talk to me, send me an e-mail please. -- Diannaa (Talk) 10:57, 15 May 2011 (UTC)


 * ;> Grawp had fun getting me blocked for reverting him, last night. The ArbCom is terrified of my eroding their patina of authority, too. Most of their lame evidence they actually can't put forward, so they pedantically cling to 'POINT' and 'disruption' and the oh-so-galling 'defiance'. Mostly, I think they know a lot less about this than you and the other posters up in the consensus section. Brad seems to be near the tipping point, but SirFozzie's gone all dickish.
 * You understand the process of being an arb? 200 emails a day. No one really reads most of it, they follow the few that have made some semblance of paying attention. I doubt they even saw the Grawp incident until tomorrow ;>
 * I won at quiz night, again. The food was superb. I sent you a link to Dirk's place, right?


 * 125.162.150.88 (talk) 11:03, 15 May 2011 (UTC)


 * Did you realise I woke up at 10:15 UTC? Which is 4:15 MDT. If you are going to scuttle any more fleets, please do so after 14:00 UTC in the future ;). I read the first quiz, it was too hard for me; all our food is not-superb as most of it is trucked in from California. You are right, I know more about your case than pretty much anyone else here, as no one else has read all the material. For example, "Note to Cool Cat" made exactly two edits which posted philosophical quotes. Five years ago. But I gotta be honest with you, your recent actions have been pretty inscrutable and if you wish to make changes here you are going about it the wrong way, in my opinion. Your current jackassery will not win you any friends or allies, so sorry. I think that the climate here actually can be changed if we go about it the right way. People do the drama because just hanging around improving the encyclopedia can be a little too much like doing homework. So they start treating it like a game. And they start acting the same way they do when they are driving their cars: all bully-like. Because they feel anonymous, and because there's no accountability. Not sure how to fix this, but I do know your present course won't help make a change. Actually I don't know that and will support you no matter which way you want to do it. :) Someone has a colorful spreadsheet subpage about you; where is it, do you remember? -- Diannaa (Talk) 15:38, 15 May 2011 (UTC)
 * User:White Cat/RFAR/graph Since the user is still active I am going to ask them to db-u1. -- Diannaa (Talk) 15:51, 15 May 2011 (UTC)


 * Sorry, I didn't realize you were up quite so early. At the moment, the entire fleet is at the bottom of Scapa Flow and I've no idea how to scuttle an IP; they're just there. I really do find it amusing when people block restaurants.
 * I get the too-hard complaint for participants and have promised a more 'general knowledge' focus in the next one I run.
 * I'm quite aware of that page. It's 'evidence' of a sort from long-ago hunting of Davenbelle. See the [ transclusions] . You might have a talk with AGK about that page. That page is part of what I had in mind when I selected Jack Merridew as a user name. Dude burned down the wiki to tag me as a returned sock. Speaking of burning down the wiki, I see little movement over at wp:A/R/Cl. Part of it would be a western bias en:wp has. The User:Barong account is unblocked, so they can re-block it at anytime after their Motion 5 goes on the books. I still look at that account's talk page, so I'll prolly notice.
 * I've said quite clearly that I'll not accept further restriction. It's not about the specifics of any restriction, it that I refuse to be a second-class editor that all comers are free to abuse. Rather than restrict me, the arbs should be using the weight to get attack sites about me taken down. They should be listening to me about the problems that have beset this project. They're stuck on maintaining their arbitrary authority. They have offered no reason other than defiance. Risker's even argued for permanent restriction, which is not really compatible with the term dispute resolution. As I said, somewhere, being willing to take anything they've got is freeing; I will say most anything I believe at this point, and will enjoy doing it. I'm quite capable of making my criticisms without making personal attacks. Withering criticism of poor ideas, appalling behavior, dysfunctional models, and the ambient toxicity of this site is not uncivil. It just makes the bad actors uncomfortable.
 * Gotta go; interruption, here. 125.162.150.88 (talk) 07:53, 16 May 2011 (UTC)
 * The reason I don't want you acting like a jackass is because that could get you permanently thrown off the site. But that is me being selfish; i like having you around and want you to stay. But your intentions may be different so I have to respect that. Sorry to see you are once again blocked for edit-warring to keep your post on a page. Was this removed as a personal attack, or vandalism, or what? Or was it removed because an IP posted it?

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Time restrictions
Hi

Sorry I haven't replied but time restrictions have not allowed me much online time, most of which has gone to the UK article.

Thanks goodness I have finished the first run - lots of comments and a difficult article and as it is such a prominent article a lot of scrutiny was to be expected. Anyway my comments are here Talk:United_Kingdom

Hope all is well and maybe I can get back to some more normal editing over the next few days :¬) Chaosdruid (talk) 05:11, 17 May 2011 (UTC)


 * OMG! I just saw your totals, 74 articles! Wow, you have been a busy bunny lol :¬) Chaosdruid (talk) 05:17, 17 May 2011 (UTC)


 * Lots of tiny articles; I use Catscan to find them :) Hope the UK article wasn't too much of an ordeal. -- Diannaa (Talk) 05:22, 17 May 2011 (UTC)


 * No, it just needed TLC - lots of serial commas and date commas lol. I noticed your name on the L'Histoire d'une fée, c'est... article, are you copyediting it? I had started to look at it before noticing your name when I updated the archive. Chaosdruid (talk) 13:59, 17 May 2011 (UTC)


 * It looks like I intended to do it but never got around to it. I think I shifted my attention back to the backlog at that point. Please go ahead with the article if you are interested :) Thanks. -- Diannaa (Talk) 14:09, 17 May 2011 (UTC)


 * K, no probs. Small issue: the archive has started to have dates listed as May 08 and May 8, something which severely impairs sorting. I have put them all back to the same as the April archive, "01, 02, 03" etc. Chaosdruid (talk) 14:43, 17 May 2011 (UTC)


 * Thank you. -- Diannaa (Talk) 18:29, 17 May 2011 (UTC)

FYI
. Thank you. Dr.K. λogosπraxis 21:52, 17 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Hi, Dr. K. Thank you for helping to keep watch over this article. -- Diannaa (Talk) 22:09, 17 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Actually, I thank you for being always willing to help out. :) Take care. Dr.K. λogosπraxis 23:10, 17 May 2011 (UTC)

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Campus of University of the Philippines Los Baños
Thank you for copy-editing. It's now open for peer review at Peer review/Campus of University of the Philippines Los Baños/archive1. Moray An Par (talk) 03:24, 18 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Okay, I will watch-list this and see what they have to say. -- Diannaa (Talk) 18:37, 18 May 2011 (UTC)

Deviations
Thank you for the help with "Utah House of Representatives". Your edits were reverted, but now reinstated. There are many more of these, see Category:State legislative templates, almost all with gratuitous colouring. Frietjes (talk) 15:14, 18 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Thank you for the information. I will get back to the template project once our copy edit drive is over. The possibilities for improvement in this area are almost endless, and unfortunately we will have to fight for pretty much every change, so it is going to be a lengthy process. See you around -- Diannaa (Talk) 18:37, 18 May 2011 (UTC)

Mentor for copyediting
Hello, I am new to copyediting and am getting acquainted with the manual of style I was hoping you could help me become a good copyeditor. Ryan Vesey (talk) 17:38, 18 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Hi, and thank you for your interest in helping out with this project. The best place to start is this step by step guide to the specialised requirements of editing for Wikipedia. Once you have done an article or two, please let me know, and I will review them for you and give you feedback for improvements. Thanks! -- Diannaa (Talk) 18:33, 18 May 2011 (UTC)

Softblock
Hi Diannaa, Somebody posted this on my talk page: Shared IP at the Peabody Orlando hotel. Would you kindly soft block? --74.203.136.2 (talk) 13:30, 18 May 2011 (UTC) Please can you decide if it's warranted. Best, ► Philg88 ◄ star.png 20:28, 18 May 2011 (UTC)
 * There have been no edits for nearly a month from that IP, so no, a block is not justified at this time. Thanks for following up on this. -- Diannaa (Talk) 22:27, 18 May 2011 (UTC)
 * You're welcome. ► Philg88 ◄ star.png 23:47, 18 May 2011 (UTC)

mentoring_copyedit
I think the copy editing guild page says you're available for mentoring. Will you mentor me in participating in the May copyediting effort? I'm an experienced proofreader, but have no editing experience other than my few blogs and a handful of minor(mostly grammatical)here at WP. I'd like to help in this current drive and support some "instant editor growth" during it with your aide. While the mentoring page says you are available I notice that you just agreed to another earlier today. I'm hip to the step-by-step and am reading it as and after this post. Thanks. Mckaywiii (talk) 21:03,18 May 2011 (UTC)
 * It's no big deal; we are allowed to take two people. Thank you for your interest. People who are actually trained to do copy-editing and proof reading are a bit of a rarity around here so you are welcome. Please let me know when you have an article ready for review. :) -- Diannaa (Talk) 04:07, 19 May 2011 (UTC)

Just wanted to say...
...Thank you for undertaking the copyedit task on Scream. Darkwarriorblake (talk) 20:42, 19 May 2011 (UTC)
 * You're welcome. -- Diannaa (Talk) 01:07, 20 May 2011 (UTC)

Northern Virginia Swim League
Dianaa,

The other day you repeatedly removed a list of the names of hundreds of winners of NVSL diving championships dating 2009 back to 1960. I did not upload that list. It had been on Wiki for years, placed there by an official of the league charged with the task on behalf of the league and the winners. I myself merely added ten names - the years 1960 and 1967 which had been inadvertantly omitted from the league's permanent record decades ago, and corrected some spellings. I have proof of those 1960 and 1967 results from local newspapers, articles published within days of the events, info I HAD intended to include as citations the following day. The article has never had citations, so I was not overly concerned about one more day's time passing without any.

I'm sure there will soon be many winners who'll not be thrilled to find their names inexplicably jettisoned by someone who considered the post an "invasion of privacy". And I've suddenly lost the appetite for contributing any more of what I know to Wiki. That's a shame, too, because after over 200 hours of research through microfilm of local and national newspapers from 1945-70, and interviews of more than seventy former participants from those years, I probably know more about the early diving league than any other person. Now, rather than be accused in the future af actions I did not commit, I'd rather just wash my hands of Wiki and concentrate on self-publishing my findings.

Inatlast Arlington, Virginia, USA —Preceding unsigned comment added by Inatlast (talk • contribs) 03:08, 21 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Sorry you feel that way. I don't really have anything further to add to what I already posted on your Talk page. -- Diannaa (Talk) 03:10, 21 May 2011 (UTC)

Thanks!
Thanks for your help with the recent Starbureiy family of hoaxes. bobrayner (talk) 21:04, 21 May 2011 (UTC)
 * You're welcome. I see John has indeffed the Rajpaj account, so that will help slow things down. I will keep watch on the articles -- Diannaa (Talk) 21:43, 21 May 2011 (UTC)

Copyediting
Hello. Seeing as you're a member of the GOCE, I was wondering if you would like to give Moonrise (Warriors) a copyedit, as has been recommended in its GA review.  Bramble  claw  x   23:54, 21 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Ok, I will start when I get back from the gym. -- Diannaa (Talk) 17:32, 22 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Thank you! (I've also got User:Mlpearc helping out, but he says his area of expertise is spelling and links, so hopefully you can help out with the layout/wikifying type stuff). Thanks so much,  Bramble  claw  x   14:02, 23 May 2011 (UTC)
 * I did some copy edits. Do you want me to un-link the duplicate links in the bottom half of the article? -- Diannaa (Talk) 20:56, 23 May 2011 (UTC)
 * I think that would be a good idea. Thanks  Bramble  claw  x   22:39, 24 May 2011 (UTC)
 * GA has passed (yay)! I will go ahead and remove the duplicate links later tonight. -- Diannaa (Talk) 23:09, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

Slogging Through GAN
Hey :> I know there's a huge backlog over there and all that, but if I asked the most respected admin I know for his advice on how to get it reviewed it wouldn't be "jumping in line" or "canvassing" would it? He's as likely to fail it as pass it, and certainly might not even take on the case himself. He's a very good content creator and very neutral - should I ask for his help? This article's got so many references and I'm obviously the #1 pusher for GA over there. Any advice would be appreciated! Thanks... Doc  talk  03:28, 22 May 2011 (UTC)
 * I think it would be incredibly quick to review as it is in such good shape: references, images, prose, it's all good to go. The article is so interesting, who could resist? No harm in asking, that's what I think. -- Diannaa (Talk) 04:07, 22 May 2011 (UTC)
 * ✅. We'll see what "Fuhg" says - thanks for getting back to me :> Doc   talk  04:21, 22 May 2011 (UTC)

User talk:88.109.29.126 and AIV
Hi Diannaa. I started investigating and then blocked before I saw your comment. The IP in question had removed some vandalism warnings from their talk page, so it was not just a 3RR warning. They were also previously editing disruptively from another IP that also received a warning. Please feel free to let me know if you disagree with my block, though. Thanks! Paul Erik (talk) (contribs) 15:22, 22 May 2011 (UTC)
 * It was more the fact that they had stopped than the apparent lack of warnings. But I did not realise they had done more from a related IP. Thanks for notifying me. -- Diannaa (Talk) 15:27, 22 May 2011 (UTC)

lang-el template
Hello Diannaa! Just in case you won't see it, I've raised an issue with the italicization you introduced at lang-el, explained at the talk page :). Best regards, Constantine  ✍  21:27, 23 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Hi, thanks for the note. I have un-done the edit. -- Diannaa (Talk) 21:31, 23 May 2011 (UTC)

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Thanks
Thanks for copyediting another of my GA-candidates. Much appreciated! Also, if you don't mind, could you leave some feedback on a list I've nominated for FL-status? Thanks! Crystal Clear x3 05:01, 25 May 2011 (UTC)
 * I will look at it tomorrow. so tierd. -- Diannaa (Talk) 05:06, 25 May 2011 (UTC)
 * I have done some copy edits but I don't usually do FA reviews so I didn't leave any comments. -- Ninja Diannaa (Talk) 05:46, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

June 2011 Wikification Drive
Sumsum2010 · T · C 04:10, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

Bryan Gunn
@FAC, and needs ce help. ;) 125.162.150.88 (talk) 15:11, 26 May 2011 (UTC)
 * missed the above; happy weekend. 125.162.150.88 (talk) 15:12, 26 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Hi. I brought by laptop and can pick away at it when I have time. Regards, -- Ninja Diannaa (Talk) 00:11, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

Future wrestling
Re. Administrators'_noticeboard/IncidentArchive697

I know you said you'd keep an eye on this,

Just to keep you aware;


 * Articles for deletion/WWE Capitol Punishment resulted in 'redirect' but WWE Capitol Punishment is, currently, a live article. I've asked the closer, User_talk:King_of_Hearts.
 * Articles for deletion/Slammiversary IX was closed as 'no consensus' (keep) - I have queried this, User_talk:Deryck_Chan

 Chzz  ► 20:46, 27 May 2011 (UTC)


 * The 2nd of those, I've listed at DRV, Deletion review/Log/2011 May 27.  Chzz  ► 21:11, 27 May 2011 (UTC)
 * OK. Thanks -- Ninja Diannaa (Talk) 03:20, 28 May 2011 (UTC)

The same user has recreated a PROD-deleted article, today; I've listed it at AfD, Articles for deletion/KOK Europe GP 2011 in Lublin. I don't know the best action to take; possibly a warning, but I can see a competence block on the horizon. I won't warn them myself - it already looks a bit like I'm 'victimising' them, because I've PROD/AfD'd several of their creations - although, I hope, appropriately. Please advise. (No rush on this though; hope you're having a nice break). Cheers,  Chzz  ► 00:21, 30 May 2011 (UTC)
 * It looks like this is just the tip of the iceberg, as there is a whole series of articles, for example KOK Europe GP 2011 in Chişinău. Have a look at the template and you can see that there are articles for events dating all the way back to 1993. The more recent articles are a mass of red links, and the material is all unsourced. Their insistence on including these articles, ahead of time, leads me to believe that they are promotional. There is probably a conflict of interest. How about filing a report at the Conflict of Interest notice board? Perhaps we can enlist help from someone with more experience in this field. -- Diannaa  (Talk) 00:40, 30 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Another way to go might be to do a mass AFD nomination of everything linked to in the K-1 Events template that has no sources. For example, this one chosen at random is self-sourced as the sources listed are both their own websites, one in Ukranian and one in English: KOK World GP 2010 Battle of the Dnieper. Creator was User:SM020886 and the article was created three weeks after the event in this instance. Every single athlete on the fight card is red-linked. If you want to proceed with this idea, we should research this, and find out how many articles there are, who created them and when, and which ones have sources, and which ones have notable athletes. Then the people at AFD will get a better idea of the scope of the problem. I am almost done with the copy-edit drive and will be able to help you pull the info together in the next few days if you would like to proceed with this idea. I actually have no experience at AFD so you will have to help with filing the thing. Let me know what you think. I gotta get to bed so I will ttyl. -- Diannaa (Talk) 05:13, 30 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Sure, no rush. I'm gonna see what happens with that DRV I mentioned above; if that gets booted out, I'll be dropping this stick and shrugging, and avoiding any more wrestling articles. (I mean that in the calmest, most WP:FUCK-ish, honest way; it's something I think is 'wrong', but it ain't worth me getting worked up about)  Chzz  ►  07:20, 30 May 2011 (UTC)
 * The Keep responses at Articles for deletion/KOK Europe GP 2011 in Lublin show a deep misunderstanding of how Wikipedia is supposed to work. It's up to you, Chzz; the task is huge and might not even be do-able. It's like trying to enforce accessibility guidelines for color; most people don't even understand what the problem is. -- Diannaa (Talk) 14:18, 30 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Invalid keep !votes should, of course, be disregarded by the closing admin. And if they're not, DRV should sort things out. However, a) that takes weeks, by which time the event might've become notable, b) if deleted, someone might recreate it (as happened here), c) if DRV fails to agree with this precept, then frankly, I'm fucked. I do what I can to sort it out, but there's a limit, which I'm rapidly approaching, where I have to give up.  Chzz  ► 05:13, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

Music list
Saw the list, liked it, stole it! lol - click my smiley ¬) (back after Grand Prix) Chaosdruid (talk) 12:03, 29 May 2011 (UTC)
 * :) -- Ninja Diannaa (Talk) 14:52, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

Fun with files!
 S ven M anguard  Wha?  07:20, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

Hi
Hi there! I'm The Train Enthusiast, a newbie here on Wikipedia. I was patrolling Recent Changes when I noticed your edit to a page that had to do with the guild of copyers (something like that, can't remember the exact name). What does the guild do, and what are their backlog drives for? TheTrainEnthusiast (talk) 00:18, 31 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Hi, Train Enthusiast, and welcome to Wikipedia. What you saw was the Guild of Copy Editors. We work on copy editing articles, and every second month we run a copy editing drive to help eliminate the backlog of articles needing copy edit. Please click on the link for further information. Thank you for your interest. -- Diannaa (Talk) 00:21, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

Lol - Hard weekend?
Oh dear, looks you did the same as me lol, luckily mine was only changing my watch :¬)

"30 days hath September, April, June and November..."

Hope you had a good weekend, I love the Ninja Diannaa moniker - imagining you in all-black running around silently copyediting posters and public notices without anyone spotting you made me laugh... Chaosdruid (talk) 03:35, 31 May 2011 (UTC)


 * The weekend was the true definition of epic awesomeness! It must remain a Secret where we were and what we were doing, though, as we are ninjas! ►►— Ninja Diannaa —► (Talk)


 * You ? lol, maybe we should get you this for your car on your Wikibirthday Chaosdruid (talk) 04:49, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

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Server errors just as I was trying to update
Hi

I have been trying to update my stats since 23:50 but oould not due to server access errors.

I have logged in on the secure server now, but cannot dump my edits to the last article as the pages will not load on the normal server. If I quit Firefox I will lose all my edits!!! :¬(

I have just updated my stats, but need to update the table as well, 13x 5k and 91,648 total words.

Bloody computers! I have my hammer at the ready! Chaosdruid (talk) 00:25, 1 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Okay, I got the corrections done to the Barnstar sub-page and the main page leader board and tally are also updated. I hope you can save that last editing session! -- Diannaa (Talk) 00:38, 1 June 2011 (UTC)


 * The penultimate one went through in the end, after 35 mins or so, but the last one is just sitting there with a blank tab and the little green circle spinning round with "connecting" next to it. I know if I go back a page it will go back to pre-editing.
 * I have opened the section again though and am redoing it just in case! lol I don't like the secure server as none of the copy and paste links work properly... I'll try and get this saved/done again and then join you for last minute work on the drive stuff. Chaosdruid (talk) 00:48, 1 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I have started a page here for barnstar calculations and will let you know when I am ready to knock off for the evening, so we don't have edit conflicts. -- Diannaa (Talk) 00:56, 1 June 2011 (UTC)
 * K - things seem back to normal now, phew! I copied it into Word and did it there instead, that was a weird hour and a half - the server page reported no problems, although I did get kicked out of the IRC channels as well...did you see the pics in the section above? (here)
 * Oh of course :) I like the costume, it is super excellent. However I regret to inform you that Ninjas do not inform that public of their whereabouts via bumper stickers. It is simply Not Done. -- Diannaa (Talk) 01:32, 1 June 2011 (UTC)[[Image:Me_in_EADAS_gear_1985-6.jpg|90px|thumb|]]
 * Lol :¬)
 * I used to do public displays as a Viking (yup, thats me ->) back in the late 80s (in full kit with sword/axe fighting etc.), we always announced our whereabouts with belches and shouting so that the locals could have time to run and hide...though sometimes the odd one would stay for a quick beating... not really the same approach as you ninjas lmao Chaosdruid (talk) 02:23, 1 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Love the pic! We saw a similar display in Edinburgh last summer; not Vikings but burly chaps dressed up in primitive clothing for the tourists. Must upload a pic one day. Anyway, I have now turned my brain to mush by doing math whilst drinking Bailey's and am going for a dog-walk. If you would like to carry on with assigning barnstars please go ahead as I am outa here for a while. Just go to the link above and imitate what I did with the first few participants. Thanks -- Diannaa (Talk) 02:30, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

Well, I managed two (I think I did them correctly?) and then a req editor posted his replies to my copyedit notes on my talk page so I have to deal with that before bed...

Red House, one of my fav Jimi tracks :¬) Edinburgh? I thought you were a Canuck? (don't take that the wrong way, Frasier was a hero of mine - no not that simpering psychoanalyst, the mountie lol - as well as a close friend being Dene, 1/2 Chipewyan/1/2 Dogrib, from Yellowknife) Chaosdruid (talk) 03:01, 1 June 2011 (UTC) Hmm I may have responded too strongly to the editor, must be off to bed now as it is past 04:30 - dawn is here and the sun is nearly up again lol, g'night, I will continue where you leave off when I awaken... Chaosdruid (talk) 03:42, 1 June 2011 (UTC)
 * We were in Edinburgh for a visit. I am Canadian. Here, I'll prove it: Tim Hortons, Corner Gas, Bob and Doug McKenzie. The work you did on the barnstar page was exactly right. I will do a few more and then turn in also. Thank you for your help :) -- Diannaa (Talk) 03:45, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

MofM and The Utahraptor
Hi

I was just trawling through the stats, came to Master of Mayhem and checked the last two articles - as they were over 2000 words each.

I have penalised again and removed the articles to the top "not done" section. The diffs are and.

The first is obviously not complete, the second one is particularly notable as Utahraptor had just done an extensive copyedit a couple of days beforehand.

That also begs the question, why did UR not update their drive page totals? (and should we do it for them?) - It had a copyedit needed tag on it, UR ce'd it, but there is only one article in their stats ?!?

As you are the most experienced I will let you work out that one :¬) Chaosdruid (talk) 13:56, 1 June 2011 (UTC)


 * K, apart from The UR's thats all of them done, we did have a missing leader board award but I found it and corrected!
 * Just for a laugh I thought I would try and clear all the remaining 2009 ones right now, then found they were a load of big lists and manga too lol :¬( Chaosdruid (talk) 14:22, 1 June 2011 (UTC)
 * It is true that I performed a copy edit on Investigator's brochure; however, I did not finish, as the article had many blank sections and I could not finish an article in that condition. That's why I added the ombox on the top of the article and the GOCEreviewed tag on the talk page. That's why I didn't update my total on the drive; I could not officially complete the copy edit. The Utahraptor Talk/Contribs 15:57, 1 June 2011 (UTC)


 * Ah, fair enough, you did do a lot of work on it in several sections though, which are creditable (as per a normal section ce banner?) :¬) Chaosdruid (talk) 16:39, 1 June 2011 (UTC)
 * I don't think Master of Mayhem was expecting a barnstar anyway; they dropped out when we found their work was inadequate. So we just have to hear from Utahraptor and we can start handing out the barnstars. Thank you very much -- Diannaa (Talk) 22:51, 1 June 2011 (UTC)
 * (response to this message): Whether I wish to be credited or not does not matter, as even with this statistic included I did not copy edit enough words to acquire a barnstar. I remember now that there is a stats page on which Guild drive stats are posted. Yes, I do wish to be credited as having copy edited this article, even though it was only in part. The Utahraptor Talk/Contribs 18:33, 3 June 2011 (UTC)
 * I will add 1427 words to your word count. It matters for rollover words for the next drive. :) -- Diannaa (Talk) 21:32, 3 June 2011 (UTC)

Want to thank you
Hi. My username is Timeinabottle8615. I am new to wikipedia. I cannot thank you enough for your recent edits to The Raleigh DeGeer Amyx Collection. I am trying to clean it up but have been having a tough time getting things right. Again, thank you so much. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Timeinabottle8615 (talk • contribs) 01:47, 2 June 2011 (UTC)
 * No problem, glad to help.

My listing amongst the barnstar recipients of the May 2011 Copyediting drive.
Greetings, Diannaa! I'm here because I wanted to point out that I'm not listed with the participants who copyedited a 10K article, here, but I copyedited a 10K article during the May 2011 Guild of Copyeditor's backlog elimination drive; Early Earth Federation mobile suits in the Gundam universe. I listed myself in the leaderboard at 5th place under the 5K articles category because I had read that a 10K article counts towards that category as two 5Ks. Anyway, the article, as per an AfD discussion, has been redirected to a similar article on its topic, but if an article that was copyedited but later redirected still counts, do I also get a 10K barnstar? Wilhelmina Will (talk) 22:41, 2 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Yes, you do. Sorry about that; this just got missed. I will add it to the barnstar document. -- Diannaa (Talk) 00:37, 3 June 2011 (UTC)


 * (ec) Done - Personally, I would have perhaps approached it a little differently, placing a  on the talkpage and removed the copyedit needed entry from the multiple issues banner on the article page. There is little point in spending that much time on an article that already has all votes for delete or deleting the text leaving a redir.
 * I know that means you wouldn't have got the 10K, but it would have freed up around 2 or more hours of your time to work on a 10K article that deserved it, perhaps Bomberman Jetters at 12,142 words - one of the two remaining September 2009 articles; that would have also got you a 2009 credit :¬) Chaosdruid (talk) 00:37, 3 June 2011 (UTC)
 * You know, that's a good idea! That'll really help in next month's drive. Thanks! :) Wilhelmina Will (talk) 02:27, 4 June 2011 (UTC)

Newsletter
Hi

The newsletter seems fine to me.

I have left a note on The Utahraptor's talk page to clarify if they definitely do not want credit for the article we discussed above.

Hope you are getting some relaxation in before getting stuck into the Wikification drive! Chaosdruid (talk) 01:57, 3 June 2011 (UTC)


 * I am finishing up an article from the Requests page, shoot me now. Thanks for checking out the newsletter. Once a few people have done the proof-reading we can hoepfully get SMasters to send it out using AWB. We also gotta get the barnstars done over the weekend; it looks like Tea with Toast is on wikibreak so if we could split it 4 ways that would be great. -- Diannaa (Talk) 02:12, 3 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Sure - I am at work until late afternoon but should be free by the time you get up, around 15:00 UTC if you get a lie in ¦¬) or if I have late deliveries to do, around 21:00 UTC - free all Sunday tho. Chaosdruid (talk) 22:13, 3 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Great! We will wait and see who is available to help, and then we will know how to split them up. Thanks. -- Diannaa (Talk) 22:15, 3 June 2011 (UTC)
 * I just remembered the coordinator positions are due to expire at the end of June, so we will have to do an election, as well. We can run nominations for the first half of June and run the election in the second half of June. I will add something to the newsletter. -- Diannaa (Talk) 01:30, 4 June 2011 (UTC)

Request for copy-edit
Hi Diannaa. Hope you're well. I was wondering if you could do a copy-edit on this. I know I'm doing a lot of Simpson articles recently, and I hope I'm not causing you any nuisance. Novice7 (<b style="font-family:Arial; color:DodgerBlue;">talk</b>) 10:49, 3 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Sure, I will look after it. -- Diannaa (Talk) 21:24, 3 June 2011 (UTC)

The Raleigh DeGeer Amyx Collection
Right! I'll have to fix the reference to the Yellow Gold Rolex Datejust. Working on that this weekend. Have another question, too. I hope it will take only a little of your time. A page on which you made some edits recently (The Raleigh DeGeer Amyx Collection) has been nominated for deletion, but I can't understand why. Is there any way you could take a look at it, and possibly either discern why user ttonyb (talk) says it should be deleted, or if possible, point me to someone with a lot more experience than this user that can shed light on the page. Help! :) Timeinabottle8615 (talk) 20:52, 3 June 2011 (UTC)
 * The reason given was that the subject matter does not meet the notability guidelines for inclusion in the encyclopedia. He says the subject fails to garner any Google hits either under straight hits or under news-specific hits, and that he was unable to establish independent, verifiable, secondary reliable sources for the article, and therefore the subject is not notable enough, as Wikipedia defines it, for inclusion in the encyclopedia. Tony is a trusted user who has been with us since 2007, with over 80,000 edits on this wiki (that is a lot). There is nothing I can do to help with this, because either the subject is notable enough or it is not notable enough. Other users will comment over the course of the week, and then an administrator or other trusted long-term user will make the decision. Only administrators can delete articles. Please feel free to continue to improve the article while the discussion in happening, but do not remove the AFD tag. Thanks. -- Diannaa (Talk) 21:21, 3 June 2011 (UTC)

Weird goings-on
Hi! I got one other message regarding a block notice...but no block. I always place the block first before I place the notice. I'm nurgling around during some downtime here at work and we're having a problem with one of the routers. It's causing all sorts of weird reactions, including false virus alerts. Thanks for letting me know. PMDrive1061 (talk) 22:57, 3 June 2011 (UTC)
 * How odd. Thanks for letting me know. -- Diannaa (Talk) 23:03, 3 June 2011 (UTC)

Yes, the River Knows
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q9RJi2zOLaY&feature=related


 * Are you stealing my favorite bands from my brain? The Doors, Zep, Nirvana, The Who. Tell me you hate Jethro Tull, Eagles and Beatles I'll take the tinfoil cap off ;> Doc   talk  04:42, 4 June 2011 (UTC)
 * A lot of the Beatles stuff now sounds seriously over-produced, though you must agree they were about the most influential band there ever was. We were into Tull back in the day but I don't listen to it any more. Eagles? Meh. -- Diannaa (Talk) 05:00, 4 June 2011 (UTC) Oh, by the way, Jim Morrison was practically my dad, listend to him more than my real dad, took his words to heart in many ways.
 * Okay - R.E.M. (especially the first several albums). Hate 'em: cap comes off for sure. And as for Morrison: been to his grave and chilled with the other fans there in Père Lachaise ;> Doc  talk  05:08, 4 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Who is this REM? have never listened to em what-so-ever. I could not even tell you the name of one of their songs. So I have no opinion. -- Diannaa (Talk) 05:16, 4 June 2011 (UTC)
 * They're quite good. Cheers :> Doc   talk  05:21, 4 June 2011 (UTC)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZGwDYBWEDSc


 * So Doc, I listened to some R.E.M. and found the music lacking in complexity and pretty devoid of emotional content. Most of the songs don't have any key changes or even a proper bridge. In a word: Drek. Now, what was this about a foil hat? -- Diannaa (Talk) 19:01, 4 June 2011 (UTC)


 * Well, you got four of my favorite bands in common: we all have diverging tastes. One of my favorite Nirvana songs is this one - definitely not one you hear on the radio often. The foil hat was just my twisted attempt at lame humor. Cheers :> Doc   talk  05:05, 5 June 2011 (UTC)


 * No, the foil hat, I get the joke; you are worried that you might actually like me and have stuff in common with me, which totally gets in the way of your finely-honed sense of vendetta. Well sorry, the world is not always black and white. Nevermore That's the album I listen to. I like all the tracks on that album except "Polly". They don't play much Nirvana on my radio station: listen online. -- Diannaa (Talk) 05:31, 5 June 2011 (UTC)


 * Heh - I never didn't like you, and have never said otherwise. I don't dislike him for that matter: but IAR is often seriously misconstrued. There are rules at work, rules when driving a car, rules of public conduct: we all have to live by the rules. We can't run down the street naked even if we really, really wanted to. I hate stopping for stop signs when there's no one around, but I stop for them because if I don't, that will be the time I get a ticket. Don't believe the hype - I'm not here mainly for "the hunt". No vendetta, I promise. Your music posts are almost always good - I enjoy seeing them! Cheers Doc   talk  05:59, 5 June 2011 (UTC)


 * Well this sure looks like vendetta to me, . So sure, people should follow the rules, but it's not appropriate for you to be hunting him all over Sout-East Asia with the hopes of reporting him to Arbcom for violations of his restrictions. That's vendetta. Please, as a personal favour for me, just stop now. Sincerely, -- Diannaa  (Talk) 15:25, 5 June 2011 (UTC)


 * It's out of my hands, and never was in my hands to begin with at all - but I can guarantee to you that I haven't contacted any admin concerning this situation off-wiki anytime recently. Many moons ago I sent an e-mail to one admin; but I stayed completely away from the A/R/C case. What I can guarantee is that I never commented on this thread with anything concerning him, only music. Of course I am trying to "break the ice" with you as a result of that situation, but remember that we are both extreme late-comers to this situation, since I joined the project in Feb. 2008 and you joined in Oct. 2009. He predates us both by a long shot. Like two co-workers that opposed each other in a trial: we both work for WP (and its rules) and should respect each others' differing opinions on this matter and move on. I have no problem with that at all and don't know why he should have been brought up in this thread. If I can't talk to you about music or the Bundy article without him coming up, I don't know what else to say. Best, Doc   talk  06:30, 6 June 2011 (UTC)

GOCE drive newsletter
Sent on behalf of the Guild of Copy Editors using AWB on 08:20, 4 June 2011 (UTC)

RevDel request
Revdel requested for recent IP edits (vandalism) at Edward Norton, naming a private person and providing enough location information to allow identification. Appears to be standard adolescent pranking intended to embarrass the target. Thanks. Hullaballoo Wolfowitz (talk) 14:57, 4 June 2011 (UTC)
 * ✅ -- Diannaa (Talk) 15:30, 4 June 2011 (UTC)

The Bugle: Issue LXIII, May 2011
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A question
Hello, Diannaa! I stumbled upon your user page while doing some work for the Wikification drive. I notice that you're a member of WikiProject Military History, so maybe you can answer a question for me. I was about to Wikify Radiation Training when I grew suspicious of its content. It doesn't reference any outside sources, and when I Googled it to see whether it really is what the article says it is, I found no related results. I did click the external link in the article, which is only a blog. Have you ever heard of "radiation training" (not to be confused with radiation safety training) or encountered it in other military articles you've edited? I'm a new user, so I don't want to overstep my boundaries and tag it for deletion if it really is legitimate and just unreferenced. I do, however, suspect that the whole article is just original research. What do you think about it? Armadillopteryx (talk) 04:41, 5 June 2011 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure it's related to the military at all. It looks like original research, or a seldom-used terminology. Without sources it is pretty unverifiable. When I check Google I can't find anything on it, either. The article is sitting there unedited and unread since it was placed in the encyclopedia. Nominating it for deletion is a good idea. -- Diannaa  (Talk) 04:49, 5 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Okay, thank you. Armadillopteryx (talk) 04:54, 5 June 2011 (UTC)

10ks
Hi Dianna,

Just had a look at WikiProject Guild of Copy Editors/Backlog elimination drives/May 2011/Barnstars. Just for the record, Kingdom of Galicia was 10,643 words. Cheers, --jjron (talk) 13:52, 5 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Oh, cool! Thanks for catching this mistake. I will update the records. -- Diannaa (Talk) 15:28, 5 June 2011 (UTC)

Bstars, elections etc.
Hi

Hope you had a good weekend as well - mine turned a bit sour on me lol, we had work problems which meant I spent 14 hours driving around England on Saturday ferrying staff around and then had to spend another 3 hours on Sunday which messed my whole internet weekend up, as I had a visitor for most of the rest of the day. I have got today off though to make up :¬)

I think that's all the bstars done and I have removed my votes (DOH! *blushes*) from the elections page.

Are you standing for the lead-coordinator role? If not, I am afraid I am going to have to add that you are (and put several votes in there!) Chaosdruid (talk) 14:24, 6 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Hi there! Yeah, I can carry on in the Lead coordinator role (I will add a note to that effect on the election page), but I am gonna try to spread the work around more than has been done in the past. Well I better log off, I have to be at work in 30 mins. TTYL -- Diannaa (Talk) 14:29, 6 June 2011 (UTC)

GOCE coordinator elections
Is the Guild going to have another coordinator election soon? The Utahraptor Talk/Contribs 16:32, 6 June 2011 (UTC)
 * yes; there was an announcement at the bottom of the most recent newsletter. A link to the election page: WikiProject Guild of Copy Editors/Coordinators/2011/2. Are you thinking of running? That would be super-- Diannaa (Talk) 18:37, 6 June 2011 (UTC)
 * I might run, it all depends on whether or not real life stays relatively smooth for me. The Utahraptor Talk/Contribs 21:09, 6 June 2011 (UTC)

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I got the cc lic, & ul it to ~  К3вину  ( RSVP ) ( What ) 16:30, 8 June 2011 (UTC)
 * That is good news :) Thank you for letting me know. -- Diannaa (Talk) 20:07, 8 June 2011 (UTC)

Updating the Guild
Hi, Diannaa, I noticed that you manually added a tab for the July 2011 Backlog elimination drive to every single GOCE page. Wouldn't it be easier if we made the tab bar into its own Guild subpage (kind of like this page) and just updated that so it wouldn't be so tedious to update the tab bar? The Utahraptor Talk/Contribs 22:49, 8 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Hi Utahraptor. Thanks for the suggestion. Each tab set is unique to that page, as that is how we get the proper tab highlighted to indicate which page you are currently on. So I don't think that idea would work for this style of tab set. There might be a way to do it though for all I know :) I just dont have teh skills. -- Diannaa (Talk) 22:57, 8 June 2011 (UTC)
 * So I'm on the right track then...I'll keep thinking. The Utahraptor Talk/Contribs 23:01, 8 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Ok, thanks. We also run up against a barrier with this particular tab set: each set can only have nine tabs. So the subset for the Drives is now full, and we will have to create another subpage for some of them, creating an archive of some kind, before we set up the September drive. -- Diannaa (Talk) 23:05, 8 June 2011 (UTC)


 * I think I've thought of something. Perhaps we could put links to all of the 2010 drives into one subpage, and links to all of the 2011 drives into another subpage, and we could create two tabs, one for 2010 and one for 2011, linking to those subpages. Does that sound good? The Utahraptor Talk/Contribs 23:17, 8 June 2011 (UTC)
 * That would definitely work. It would take a long time to run out of tabs using that method. Or, we could put a tab for as many drives as we have space for (seven drives) and a tab for the FAQs and then a tab called "Drive archives" that leads to a page similar to this page. Which way do you think would be easier to set up and maintain? I suppose there are other methods too -- Diannaa  (Talk) 23:31, 8 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Both ideas are good and will most definitely work, but I think my idea would be easier to set up. If you think about it, with the drive archive idea, you'd have to remove the link to the oldest drive from every Guild subpage every two months, but with my method, you'd only have to update the tabs once a year, rather than once every two months. As soon as I finish eating dinner, I'll get to work setting up our new idea. The Utahraptor Talk/Contribs 23:34, 8 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Or, perhaps we could use the method I thought of first, and when we run out of room, we can switch to your idea. The Utahraptor Talk/Contribs 23:38, 8 June 2011 (UTC)
 * The tab set will have to be updated monthly regardless, because we need to have a tab for the current drive on the main drive page. We could put a tab for each year's drives that goes to an archive page for that year. That will use up four tabs (current drive, FACs, 2010, 2011) and won't have to worry about running out of tabs until 2016 or something. Let me know what further ideas you think of. -- Diannaa (Talk) 00:01, 9 June 2011 (UTC)
 * I've thought of something even better. Instead of having separate subpages for each year, why don't we just have one Archive subpage and add the archives for each year as sections in the Archive subpage rather than actual subpages? For example, instead of WikiProject Guild of Copy Editors/Backlog elimination drives/Archives/YEAR, we could do something like WikiProject Guild of Copy Editors/Backlog elimination drives/Archives. This way, the tab set, aside from the archive tab, won't fill up at all, and we won't have to update each tab manually each month. The Utahraptor Talk/Contribs 02:59, 9 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Yes. We have an archive like that for our old newsletters: WikiProject Guild of Copy Editors/Newsletters. The one archive page could hold any number of years' worth of links, as the page size would virtually never get too large. -- Diannaa (Talk) 03:03, 9 June 2011 (UTC)

I have created the page here, and have tagged all relevant pages. The Utahraptor Talk/Contribs 13:58, 9 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Thank you very much! This system will be easier to work with. :) -- Diannaa (Talk) 14:08, 9 June 2011 (UTC)

Since You Became "Involved"...
has multiple issues, including harassment of, WP:OWN, WP:COMPETENCE, probable WP:SOCK and pretty blatant trolling. Do I need to take this to AN/I for "enlightenment", or would you just be a dear and address this issue as an administrator? I would appreciate your input on this matter. Cheers :> Doc   talk  05:43, 11 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Add - I didn't see your warning to them after they posted this comment before I brought this up to you - thanks for doing that. This user strangely decided to address Crohnie instead of me with this edit. Baffling, harassing and clear indication of a seriously incompetent editor who can't even bother to check their own block log or determine who is or isn't an administrator. And the comments on my talk page following this are just more disruption. Cheers... Doc   talk  06:05, 11 June 2011 (UTC)
 * I will have a look right now. -- Diannaa (Talk) 13:41, 11 June 2011 (UTC)

Diannaa's analysis
There is not enough for a block here right now. That's the short story. Though DeadSend4 will probably not last on this wiki as they seem temperamentally unsuited. I looked through a lot of the diffs for the block they received in April and they are not one of the people who get it. And the edits to the Cate Blanchett article are not improvements; they are the opposite of improvements. But I am not gonna edit there so I can remain available to help admin-wise if needed. Ok. Now I am going to fearlessly wander into TLDR territory here, and give you three an analysis of the recent events and what could have been done differerently to avoid or minimise the drama.

DeadSend4 returns to the wiki after a months absence and posts on Crohnie's talk demanding that she fulfill a promise to collaborate on the Blanchett article. But when he begins to actually edit the article, it becomes apparent that what he has in mind is a full re-write. The article does not actually need a full re-write and doing one when it is not needed will actually not be a helpful thing to do. People don't like wholesale changes. What you need to do here, is if you have further sourced information, add that to the article along with your sources and leave the rest alone.

DeadSend4, a quick look at Crohnie's edit history in the last six weeks or so would have showed you she is not actually doing intense work on articles at this time. Crohnie did not collaborate with other editors on the Blanchett article or any other article during the last six weeks so the notion that you are intentionally being excluded from ongoing discussions is untrue. (It is also untrue that she was somehow responsible for your block.) Your whole approach here was wrong; you come across as demanding and needy, and people are not going to want to work with you on articles if you exhibit these unpleasant traits, so sorry.

When Crohnie sees the posts by DeadSend4 she responds, but she also reports the post to several other users. This leads to a bunch of drama on several different talk pages. DeadSend4 apologised at one point, but rather than accepting the apology and getting on with writing an encyclopedia, Crohnie copies the remarks to her talk page and invites people to continue this non-productive discussion for yet another day. This behavior has predictable results: DeadSend4 posts an incredibly ill-considered remark on her talk page. (He then removes the worst part of the post when asked to do so.) So the take-away message to Crohnie: you over-reacted here when you solicited help from four different users, and made the editing environment here worse, not better, with your reaction to DeadSend4's behaviour. When someone apologises in the future, please grab that opportunity to graciously stop teh drama.

Doc9871, some of your actions have been helpful here, and some, not so much. I admire your intention to protect your friend from what you perceive as an attack, but your remarks were a little too judgemental and aggressive, and this fed the drama machine rather than shutting it down. The last exchange on your Talk shows that both you and DeadSend4 insist on having the last word. If he gets the last word, it doesn't mean he was right. If doesn't mean anything at all, in fact. You could just disengage. I do it all the time. Not so hard once you get the hang of it.

Opportunities to disengage:
 * Crohnie: the best time to drop this was when he apologised. Instead, you copied the remarks to your talk, which only kept the drama rolling.
 * Doc: you could have disengaged at any time, by letting DeadSend have the last word. Just quit poking him.
 * DeadSend4: Same. Continuing to return to Doc's talk page and posting unproductive remarks and then laughing about it is trolling.

Ok, behavioural changes for DeadSend4: People won't want to work with you if you seem demanding or needy. People don't like wholesale changes to the articles for no reason. Talk page discussion should not be "I'm going to make a wholesale re-write if no one objects". What you need to do is propose your changes, one at a time, and give a valid reason for your change. If you can't come up with a valid reason why your version is better than the old version, then don't change it. Don't even propose it. Take the time to learn a bit about the people you are collaborating with on articles. Look at Crohnie's edit history and you will see her actions are in a holding pattern right now of protecting a few favourite articles from vandals and participating in political discussions. That's all. It is obvious her health is precarious and you would be better off taking that into account when dealing with her, or at least demonstrating that you have taken the time to find out that fact. It would show that you care, and would lead to a more pleasant editing experience. Would you speak to an ill person  in real life? Think about it. Refusing to walk away from the discussion and repeatedly posting on Doc's talk page was a form of trolling; your mocking laughing tone demonstrates that. There is not enough for a block at this time, but you're in a precarious situation here, and need to demonstrate that you are capable of improving the encyclopedia and of working well with others, or your time here will soon draw to a close. -- Diannaa (Talk) 15:09, 11 June 2011 (UTC)


 * Since DeadSend4's page is on my watchlist, I found this too. This looks like a succinct summary of the goings-on in the last few days, and when DeadSend4 asked me for advice I cringed at the section that occurred on the article talk page.  I had not seen what happened on Doc's talk page, though I did see and reply to one such section on Chronie's page while I was there regarding the relationship between a particular editor and DeadSend4.  If this does still end up going to AN/I, however, please let me know as I will feel it an ardent duty to participate.  CycloneGU (talk) 15:27, 11 June 2011 (UTC)


 * Thanks Diannaa, I could have handled this a little bit better but I have to admit my shock at being called out like I was after being pretty inactive for awhile. I contacted Tenabrae because I saw this editor had a situation earlier while I was gone so I was hoping things could be calmed by this editor, wrong call I guess, sorry.  As for the others, I have earned their respect and they spoke on my behalf due to their experiences with me.  After I calmed down and got a bit more strength I read Doc's talk page and realized that DeadSend4 was feeding off the attentions, both good and bad.  That is when I decided to archive and strike things and to also ask Doc to do the same thing so that an end could be put to all of this.  I am personally done with it all.  I agree that the article does not need a rewrite and said so long ago thus my request for the user to talk to the active editors on the article, which at that time was not me.  I just did some vandal corrections but overall I was pretty quiet during this time with all articles.  Thank you again and I hope this all finally stops.  -- Crohnie Gal  Talk  17:35, 11 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Thank you CrohnieGal, for taking my criticisms with good grace. Your comments above are perceptive and accurate. I am just going to wrap up some edits and will be off to do some RL things for a few hours. TTYL -- Diannaa (Talk) 17:58, 11 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Maybe she can take your "poking" IP-hopping pal's criticisms of her with as much good grace after she was "dumb" enough to wish him well. I know I wouldn't. No reason whatsoever for him to show up there but to disruptively harass in a situation completely unrelated to him. I'll never understand your unwavering defense of him wherever he rears his head, but like I've always said: you don't know him like I do. Cheers, and thanks for the advice... Doc   talk  08:17, 12 June 2011 (UTC)


 * it's not so much that the project has failed, it's that the community has failed: too many worthless participants. 222.124.91.230 (talk) 09:30, 12 June 2011 (UTC)


 * I know I could have handled things better but I also know I didn't do anything wrong nor did I start all of this garbage. But now I have to read a WP:Soap below that isn't stopped and the above about being useless.  I don't know why you aren't taking control of all of this but someone needs to or is it the goal of everyone to make sure there are less editors here?  I'm going to look around but I think it's AN/i time to sort this out and I hate going there.  Thanks to all of you for making it so fun to be here, not.  I have earned the rights to be treated with civility and no personal attacks.  Since my return that's all I'm getting is uncivil behavior and personal attacks.  I'll let you know when and where the AN/i post is if it's not there already.  Be well, -- Crohnie Gal  Talk  12:02, 12 June 2011 (UTC)


 * Just an FYI, I have removed the two threads from my archives and have requested help from an administrator since you don't seem interested in helping stop all of this. I'm sorry but I did nothing to deserve the treatment I am receiving and deserve help to get it to stop.  -- Crohnie Gal  Talk  14:12, 12 June 2011 (UTC)


 * Actually Crohnie, I thought the DeadSend4 thing was going quite well. You don't have to read or respond to the epic thread he posted below. I have already responded by offering to critique his re-write of the lead, and have posted something on the article talk page. He has not yet responded to my input, and has been idle for nearly a full day now. I will send you an e-mail. -- Diannaa (Talk) 15:27, 12 June 2011 (UTC)


 * Sockpuppet investigations/Jack Merridew
 * Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement
 * 222.124.91.51 (talk) ;) 06:27, 13 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Thank you for the links. Best wishes, -- Diannaa (Talk) 19:49, 13 June 2011 (UTC)
 * See WP:Votestacking. You looking for some support, possibly? We know how these comments will go. Doc   talk  06:52, 13 June 2011 (UTC)

Response from DeadSend4

 * "What you need to do is propose your changes, one at a time, and give a valid reason for your change." You guys never ever ever ever ever read what I have to say! What kind of trash is this? You don't like that I want to re-write the entire article? Do you not see the examples of other LONGER articles? This is seriously ridiculous. None of you, NONE, of you see what I've been trying to add to the Blanchett article. This is what happens, someone complains about me, then someone looks through my edits and THINKS they know the situation, and now to hear that 'Cate Blanchett article are not improvements; they are the opposite of improvements.' Show me these non-improvements show them to me right now! Do me a favor and look at the difference between 2006 and present on Christina Aguilera's article and YOU tell me if I made non-improvements. This is disgusting that I am still being treated like this, you wonder why I get so upset and it's because all of you think you know the situation. What's worse, my edits are taking a backseat, not only that, now I'm being told that my edits make no sense. This is just stupidity and ridiculous. I want to make edits to the article not constantly having to defend myself. Diana, I don't appreciate you saying that my edits are not improvements. Do me favor and look at some of the edits I made before making a mess of a statement. I thought out of all the people attacking me (excluding CycloneGU who has helped me), you'd have some sense, but nope. DeadSend4 (talk) 17:35, 11 June 2011 (UTC)


 * You are all against me, I get it now. It's HILARIOUS you guys say "oh the article doesn't need a rewrite" really? You don't think it does. I didn't want to do this but since NO ONE EVER READS WHAT I WRITE I'm going to repost this. Again, I've been told 'don't post in caps' 'don't post in bold' 'don't do this blah blah blah', but you are all so blinded by how much you hate me that you ignore everything else. Oh and I also get the 'you shouldn't write in such big texts, it's hard for me to read' so is it because ya'll are lazy? You guys are from another world if you think I'm about to let you tell me the article doesn't need a re-write, who are YOU to say that when it does need a rewrite and you never bothered to look at what I contributed to the page.


 * READ THIS FOR CHRIST SAKE!


 * As many or those who don't many of my edits have been reverted, most notably Nicole Kidman and this very article. My |last edit was reverted due to "overlinking, information in the article didn't match the link" along with other issues that were brought up. Now maybe said things are true, but I did not purposely include that and if there are any mistakes that I am not aware of please inform me so we can go through with the article. I have several things I want to expand in the article as can be seen in my edit. I would like to start a detailed, section by section, sentence by sentence (if needed) to discuss my proposed changes, opinion and collaborate coming to a happy medium that satisfies our feelings towards this article.


 * Many of you who reverted or had a problem with my edits didn't have the time to revert at least one of my edits that had correctly sourced information. So it would be better if I just take my own time to contribute the hours of my own work into this article. I've mentioned this before, I think the major reason as to why my edits are reverted is because of the overwhelming amount of information I include during the duration of two/three days (I don't do this all at once as I've been told I do). It's kind of when an old person watches a very intense action film, they are so overwhelmed and confused with what's going on they shut off the TV and leave. Not that I'm comparing anyone to old people this was the only analogy I can think of and I had just seen a recent SNL skit. ;) People see my edits and would rather revert the whole thing rather than break it down themselves. It happens. It can also be interpreted as me trying to "overrate" or "PR" their articles. But that I'm not. I'm only trying to give the article more useful information rather than the non-informative sentence that reads, "She starred in the film The Good German released in 2004." Where my edit mentioned it was a film noir, opposite George Clooney and was a commercial and critical failure. That was an edit that was reverted. Although it expanded the miniscule sentence to include more useful information whether good or bad. Just an example of the many things I would like to contribute to this article. The amount of sentences and citations I add overwhelms everyone so I'm doing the next best thing and writing here I'm sure many of you will collaborate and thus making this article better than it currently is.


 * As of today I'm not going to add anything into the article I am going to wait and see what everyone's feelings and opinions are. As well as showing me examples of some of the mistakes I may have made in the article. With that said, I want everyone to take a minute and quickly glance and skim through the following articles of these actresses if you haven't. Amy Adams, Mila Kunis, Kristen Bell, Scarlett Johansson, Anne Hathaway, and Keira Knightley. What do all these actresses have in common? They are all young (aside from Adams) and have all been acting much less than Blanchett and lastly their pages are filled if not double with information, properly sourced with no hanging sole sentences in their articles. Adams in particular is sectioned and has her films and awards noted along with many other pieces of information. Again, these are all actors who have barely broken into mainstream Hollywood, and even at that have not reached in my opinion the same amount of critical acclaim that Blanchett has been receiving since 1999. Though Hathaway and Adams have recently been receiving acclaim. What's my point? These actresses have lengthy well-executed and written articles, Blanchett does not. It still looks messy and there are many citations needed (many of which I found and properly sourced but were reverted). So I am 100% certain no one here would like to keep her page short and expand it (which is what wiki does). Especially because she's one of our most respected actresses of our generation. So now that you have gone through their articles you can see the difference in format. I invite you all to help me and help the article in giving it the attention that it needs. It only took me 2 days to contribute what I did and will probably take up to half a month if we collaborate but it will be worth it in the end. :) I await all of your responses to my expansion project. Have a great weekend. DeadSend4 (talk) 17:49, 11 June 2011 (UTC)


 * To Doc, honey, if you can't stand the heat then stay out the kitchen. Remember you came TO ME, I never knew who you were, and now you run and whine about me. Man up and fight your own battles. DeadSend4 (talk) 17:44, 11 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Hi, DeadSend4. I will post an analysis of your changes to the lead on the Blanchett article later (watch for it on the article talk page). Right now I am working on an article from this list. I am one of the few volunteers who is working on those copy edit requests, and one of the people who runs that wikiproject, so your request will have to be fit in with my other responsibilities. And right now I have a long list of important RL chores such as yard work, dog walk, banking, and grocery shopping to get through, so I'll TTYL. -- Diannaa (Talk) 18:30, 11 June 2011 (UTC)


 * Ok thank you. It shouldn't have to resort to this, but anyways, just to let you know, what I've posted on the talk page is just a fraction of what I want to do with the article. I look forward with working with you, finally someone who is willing to collaborate with me. DeadSend4 (talk) 19:08, 11 June 2011 (UTC)


 * I won't be able to stay with you on the article over the long term. I have too many other things already on the go. Please consider applying for a mentor. There is a list of available people at Adopt-a-user. -- Diannaa (Talk) 19:29, 11 June 2011 (UTC)


 * Of course, I wouldn't want you to do that anyways, just as long as you see where I'm coming from. I just want to be able to work on the article as I have been wanting and trying to do. I just was shocked when you said that the edits I'm proposing aren't important when there's other articles (who mind you are less relevant that Miss Blanchett) who has loads of information and bulk. But somehow, my edits are undeeded. Just seems like something really fishy is going on. Weeks ago I was told not to make edits because I'm being disruptive and what not. Now that I'm posting on the discussion page another excuse comes up, "well you're edits aren't really needed." Which makes me ask, do you even want me to contribute in the first place? At least that's what I'm getting. Again, not speaking about you, but to others who read this. DeadSend4 (talk) 19:59, 11 June 2011 (UTC)


 * Diannaa has a WONDERFUL idea with the mentor suggestion. I don't think I could go that far on the basis of editing this type of article, I'm more a source of advice for how to behave on Wiki (even if I make small slipups from time to time myself, I can go back and say don't do this ^_~).  As Diannaa suggests, having someone mentor you, especially during a period you think people are reverting your edits just because it's you, lets you get into a better and more respected editing behaviour.  It's also multiple people working together on the same article, and if someone later tries to revert it, I'd be curious to see what happens to him. =)  CycloneGU (talk) 22:00, 11 June 2011 (UTC)

new email
--Demiurge1000 (talk) 18:32, 11 June 2011 (UTC)

Re Aishwarya Rai
Oh! Sorry I didn't notice the page being edited already. -- Commander (Ping Me) 17:06, 12 June 2011 (UTC)
 * No problem. I am done for the time being, but the article is very close to GA material, so I will continue to work on it in the near future. Please make sure the required citations are all in place as this was the reason it failed last time. -- Diannaa (Talk) 18:12, 12 June 2011 (UTC)
 * For now I've remove many non-reliable sources and cited the article wherever necessary with proper citations. The reviewer feels the lead section could probably be expanded. Can you just have a look at the article. Does the lead looks good or something can be done. Regards! -- Commander  (Ping Me) 04:31, 18 June 2011 (UTC)
 * I think the lead is adequate; we can wait and see if the reviewer thinks your additions are adequate. The L'Oreal thing is unsourced right now. I don't know which sources are considered reliable, Please source it. I am doing some more copy edits too. -- Diannaa (Talk) 05:01, 18 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks a lot for your work :) In the meanwhile, you may have a look at this list. I'm planning to make it a featured list someday. -- Commander (Ping Me) 07:38, 18 June 2011 (UTC)

Your friend wins
Hi, please take notice of this. I'm sure you, never mind it doesn't matter, I'm leaving because you and others want me to. Have a nice life, -- Crohnie Gal Talk  13:52, 13 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Replied via e-mail. -- Diannaa (Talk) 19:34, 13 June 2011 (UTC)

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GOCE coordinator elections 2
I noticed that there are only four candidates this time, and since there's four positions, I think we need at least one more candidate. Perhaps we could keep the nominations open for an extra five days, along with keeping the voting period open. What do you think? The Utahraptor Talk/Contribs 00:54, 16 June 2011 (UTC)
 * I could go either way. Please ask SMasters too. Thanks -- Diannaa (Talk) 00:59, 16 June 2011 (UTC)
 * We're reaching the end of the extended nomination period, and we still only have four candidates. I'm about to nominate a few different users. Do you think we should create a template for this? (we could put it at WikiProject Guild of Copy Editors/Coordinators/Nomination, or something along those lines) The Utahraptor Talk/Contribs 18:50, 20 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Sure, that's a good idea. Thank you. -- Diannaa (Talk) 19:52, 20 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Alright, I've created the page. Before I send it out to the people I want to nominate, though, can you have a look at it? Thanks. The Utahraptor Talk/Contribs 21:15, 20 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Ok, I have done a minor copy edit, it's good to go. Thank you for taking the time to think of this and see it through. :) -- Diannaa (Talk) 23:32, 20 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Nominations have been sent out to User:Slon02, User:Lfstevens, and User:H3llkn0wz. Just a heads up, we might have to extend the nomination period again to give the three a chance to respond. The Utahraptor Talk/Contribs 23:35, 20 June 2011 (UTC)
 * OK. -- Diannaa (Talk) 23:45, 20 June 2011 (UTC)
 * On an off subject, I've created a redirect page for our coordinator page here. Just thought I'd let you know. The Utahraptor Talk/Contribs 23:47, 20 June 2011 (UTC)

With this, there are now only four candidates again. H3llkn0wz isn't interested and Lfstevens hasn't edited since last month. Do you just want to pull the plug on the elections now, since it doesn't look like we're going to get any more nominees? The Utahraptor Talk/Contribs 01:06, 22 June 2011 (UTC)
 * No, let's just close the nominations and then let the election run till the original close date, or until we are sure no one else cares to make a post. There was a blurb in this week's Signpost so we need to leave it open so people have the opportunity to comment. -- Diannaa (Talk) 01:48, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

Restore request
Could you please restore a file you deleted on April 20? It is File:AeroMéxico Logo.svg, which was removed by an IP vandal user. The template was restored but not the image. Thank you so much. ۞  Tb hotch <sup style="color:#555555;"> ™  &  (ↄ),  Problems with my English?  02:20, 16 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Ok, all done. Regards, -- Diannaa (Talk) 02:33, 16 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Thank you. ۞   Tb hotch <sup style="color:#555555;"> ™  &  (ↄ),  Problems with my English?  02:48, 16 June 2011 (UTC)

Why did you delete File:KeithCampbell.jpg
I took that ORIGINAL digital photo myself from an ORIGINAL photo my father took (he was Keith's mechanic). It's totally original work and I said so when I uploaded it - why the delete?!? Please put it back! I went to some trouble to dig that photo up too... Grrr!!! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cuneas (talk • contribs) 03:44, 16 June 2011 (UTC)
 * The problem is that the copyright for the image is owned by your father, as he was the original photographer. You need to get an OTRS ticket attached to the file showing that you have his permission to upload it here and that he is allowing it to be reproduced under one of our licenses. Instructions for obtaining the required OTRS ticket are available at COPYREQ. If your father is deceased, the copyright for the picture is now owned by his heirs. In the United States, pictures do not fall into public domain until 70 years after the death of the photographer. Rules are different in other countries. To ensure that the picture is not deleted again, I suggest you send an e-mail to the OTRS team and get the required ticket, even if he is deceased and you are his heir. -- Diannaa (Talk) 14:28, 16 June 2011 (UTC)

Thanks!
Thanks for the copy-edit on Super Meat Boy! -- Pres N  18:09, 17 June 2011 (UTC)
 * You're welcome. Good luck on your FA bid. -- Diannaa (Talk) 19:28, 17 June 2011 (UTC)

1952 Vincent Black Lightning



 * http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2lCH5JgWCZY&feature=related
 * Del McCoury bluegrass version: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YW-w0KgE-8s
 * I'd not heard the Del McCoury version, excellent! <span style="font-family:monospace, monospace;">pablo 08:49, 18 June 2011 (UTC)
 * I actually prefer it to the original; they play both on CKUA. Those musicians are loaded with talent. -- Diannaa (Talk) 14:29, 18 June 2011 (UTC)
 * They certainly are. I confess I'm not altogether wild about the vocals, but everything else is just fantastic. Have a soft spot for the original though, I spent hours figuring out how to play it (and willing my fingers to work faster!) when I first heard it. <span style="font-family:monospace, monospace;">pablo 15:48, 18 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Yeah, those vocals are a little too nasally, especially the opening few bars. I did not know you play guitar. Cool beans. -- Diannaa (Talk) 15:55, 18 June 2011 (UTC)
 * The fiddle, mandolin and banjo breaks make up for it though. I do play, but suffice to say my version of that song is a lot simpler than ol' Beardy's - there's just too damn many notes! <span style="font-family:monospace, monospace;">pablo 16:05, 18 June 2011 (UTC)
 * It's been an interesting experience, posting the songs. What strikes me is the fact that so many of the ones I think are five-star material deal with topics of loss or longing or death. Those are the ones with big emotional impact for me, so that's one reason why they make the list. But it's been an eye-opener for sure. -- Diannaa (Talk) 16:19, 18 June 2011 (UTC)

Thank you
Thank you for the copyedit. It is very much appreciated. Moray An Par (talk) 06:57, 18 June 2011 (UTC)
 * You're welcome. --User:Diannaa(Talk) 14:25, 18 June 2011 (UTC)

Background of the Spanish Civil War
Thank you for you efforts so far. I think I can go through the main body of the article with that in mind; however, I have an additional problem in the lead with regard to length. It is already pushing the acceptable limit, and I'm worried further explanation would make it too long. Since you're more experienced, is it possible you could have another look specifically at the lead? I've looked it at enough times myself to see what can removed, but it generally comes at the loss of simple sentence structure which is another problem. Grandiose (me, talk, contribs) 19:43, 18 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Ok, I will have a go at the lead right now, so don't edit for a bit. -- Diannaa (Talk) 19:45, 18 June 2011 (UTC)
 * I have worked through the lead and marked one item for clarification there, and two things for clarification in the opening paragraph of the next section. Perhaps if we work through it together this way we can get it done in time? I am going off-wiki for a few hours and will check in with you later. -- Diannaa (Talk) 20:28, 18 June 2011 (UTC)
 * OK, well I think I've taken care of those bits. I would certainly (attempt to) clarify anything you mark up, so that would be good if you could. Might be worth asking Jezhotwells (the reviewer) about what he thinks he needs doing for the article to pass GA. He made some quite emphatic comments. Might save you/us some work. Grandiose (me, talk, contribs) 20:53, 18 June 2011 (UTC)

GOCE elections
Sent on behalf of the Guild of Copy Editors using AWB on 07:47, 19 June 2011 (UTC)

I dont know how to contact you this was the only way i could think of to get your attention
I saw that you and other admins had taken down my changes on pankration. I wishing to know how edit the page with out getting marked as vandalism. Some of the current informtion up is misiformation propigated by modern Mixed martial artists to gain more crediblity and many of the sources they cite are baised and use pseudo historical information as fact, such as Shaolin creation myth and alexander the great possibly bring greek martial arts to india and then they assume that it went to china through buddhism(all these scenrios are high unlikely to any seriosu historian and athropologist). I've recently been in touch with member http://www.acta-archeo.com/html/4-11582-Nos-recherches.php to obtain a more accurate image of the ancient sport. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.193.187.148 (talk) 03:31, 20 June 2011 (UTC)
 * The reason the edit was reversed is because you removed a chunk of fairly well-written and well-sourced content and replaced it with a paragraph that expresses your own point of view. -- Diannaa (Talk) 03:39, 20 June 2011 (UTC)

Can I atleast change that part where they try to claim similarity to modern MMA that has no physical evidence to back up, while the many pictoral evidence left by the greeks show in great detail how they fought. the archeological society i got my information from has this up their researched section in french

"The Greek pan, Pankration, and kratein, having the control, is a discipline of combat "total" that disappeared after the fall of the Roman Empire. Defined by Plutarch and Philostratus to the 2nd century as "an imperfect wrestling and boxing union", it is yet in its meaning ancient, defined and consists of a set of postures, techniques and rules specific and very different from what is today located in the so-called fighting in modern Pankration (UFC, Vale Tudo,...)."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jx7Zb3z8RQs http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=scGmiyvtAhA — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.193.187.148 (talk) 13:37, 20 June 2011 (UTC)


 * YouTube is not actually considered a reliable source. Do you have any other sources you could cite? -- Diannaa (Talk) 19:48, 20 June 2011 (UTC)