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Electorates
Can I just say your work here is phenomenal? I wish you'd link the rest of your MPs, but it's so good to see all these older electorate articles getting (quite decent little) articles. The Drover&#39;s Wife (talk) 05:11, 29 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the message, Drover's Wife, much appreciated. You never know who actually notices articles you create. I have previously been linking existing politicians, but I'll try and link more politicians - who knows if those articles will ever be created though? I've updated Electoral district of Grenville with links! Diverman (talk) 07:28, 29 April 2013 (UTC)
 * You'd be surprised - we've covered NSW politicians back to 1922, so surely we can do the same for Victoria given a bit of time. The Drover&#39;s Wife (talk) 17:02, 29 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Great to hear about more politicians being added. I've been adding a few politicians (and others) using the public domain http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/The_Dictionary_of_Australasian_Biography as a source, I finished proof-reading it a few weeks back. I also have a few links to political resources on my user page; may be of use although you're probably using them already. The Victorian Parliament past members site is a good resource, although there are a few errors. I use the past newspapers in Trove to sort out discrepancies. Keep up the good work. Diverman (talk) 20:45, 29 April 2013 (UTC)

The job you're doing with those first Legislative Council electorates and in particular those maps really is fantastic. Most of those early county names are totally meaningless even to a nerd like me, so it's fantastic to be able to see at a glance where they actually were located. The Drover&#39;s Wife (talk) 09:41, 2 June 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for your kind words
Thanks for your kind words about the former Qld electorates. Alas, they come a bit late. I got nothing but complaints about those electorate articles from members of the Aus Politics projects so I decided to stop wasting my time with writing any more. Thanks for the tip about the Dictionary of Australasian Biography material on Wikisources; I didn't know about it. I mainly write on Queensland history topics and often consult the Australian Dictionary of Biography website, but of course it's copyright, so the DAB material will probably come in handy. At the moment though, I'm trying to categorise about 4000+ PD images from the Queensland State Archives over on Commons. Kerry (talk) 04:49, 7 May 2013 (UTC)

Ringwood
Hey, I've just noticed that Ringwood is the only recent Victorian electorate without an article (it got missed because all the links pointed to a Tasmanian electorate of the same name) - this is far more your area than mine, so any chance you might be able to whip up a quick something and fill the hole? The Drover&#39;s Wife (talk) 11:43, 7 July 2013 (UTC)


 * Ta! The Drover&#39;s Wife (talk) 21:41, 7 July 2013 (UTC)

A kitten for you!
Thanks for adding James Quinn. Just a few days ago I was doing a little work on some articles on early Catholic churches and he was redlinked. Initially I assumed that it was just a question of figuring out exactly what his article was called, but a lot of searching left me with the realisation there was no article. So thanks for adding it!

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James Quinn
I'm no expert on Catholic organisational structures, but according to the Diocese of Brisbane's history it would appear that it was always the Diocese of Brisbane but initially its geographic boundaries covered all of Queensland. Later separate dioceses were established for northern and central Queensland (presumably reducing the Diocese of Brisbane down to the southern part of Queensland). Then a separate diocese was established for Toowoomba. The current boundaries of the Archdiocese of Brisbane are shown here. So, yes, I think you are correct to call James Quinn the Bishop of Brisbane rather than the Bishop of Queensland. Kerry (talk) 00:46, 20 July 2013 (UTC)
 * here's a map of all the Catholic dioceses in Australia]. Kerry (talk) 00:58, 20 July 2013 (UTC)

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Tom Carrington
Hi, you may want to suggest a move of Tom Carrington (illustrator) to Tom Carrington as the primary topic, including a hatnote for the fictional character, if you think it is warranted. I'd support such a move. &mdash; TAnthonyTalk 18:39, 26 November 2013 (UTC)

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DYK for Michael Fenton (Australian politician)
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Thomas Moffatt
What an odd coincidence; after almost 13 years without an article, we both went to go and create an article on the same politician on the same day! Lankiveil (speak to me) 11:50, 16 January 2014 (UTC).

Barnstar for extensive South Australian state politics contributions

 * Thanks Timeshift9 — Diverman (talk) 02:50, 29 January 2014 (UTC)

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1859 maps
Can I ask what your source was for the map of the 1859 Victorian Legislative Assembly districts? I've been to both the State Library and the State Archives and they don't have maps for 1859. Did you actually obtain them from a map? Or did you reconstruct them from the descriptions in the 1858 Act? Intelligent Mr Toad (talk) 05:04, 27 February 2015 (UTC)


 * Hi, I based the maps mainly on descriptions in the 1858 Act and maps in the State Library for 1856 districts. Many 1856 districts were identical or split by the 1858 Act; the district definitions can be compared in the original and 1858 Act. Diverman (talk) 12:50, 27 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your reply. That's what I thought. I just wanted to make sure there isn't a cache of maps somewhere I haven't located. Intelligent Mr Toad (talk) 14:11, 27 February 2015 (UTC)

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 * Thanks for requesting the help; I only changed my ID when prompted by the system - apparently they are trying consolidate userIDs across platforms and I wasn't allowed to retain "Diverman". I just selected a new name when prompted. DivermanAU (talk) 06:44, 23 March 2015 (UTC)
 * DerHexer has replied on their talk page. Stickee (talk) 10:51, 23 March 2015 (UTC)

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EB1911 wstitle/url
When you upgrade an EB1911 or Cite EB1911 to wstitle from title, as you did here, can you also remove the url parameter? It becomes redundant, and it triggers an occasional quality control AWB run (which I use to check when I make the mistake myself). Thanks. David Brooks (talk) 00:29, 26 April 2016 (UTC)


 * Sure, I’ll keep that in mind. I also fixed up a few more that I’d upgraded recently. I thought at the time that the url can still be useful — but seeing it causes issues, I’ll remove it. Regards, DivermanAU (talk) 03:06, 27 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Thanks. The URL is still in the history, and in the endgame it will be a single click from the entry in WS mainspace to the Page space equivalent, which contains the scanned page. David Brooks (talk) 06:12, 27 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Oh, there's no need to delete the Volume and Page number (PBS and I are agreed on that). They can be helpful, and are passed through the template stack and appear in the text of the footnote. It's only the URL that becomes noise. Sorry if I misled you. I'll revert your changes to Benvenuto Cellini. David Brooks (talk) 06:29, 27 April 2016 (UTC)

Thank you for the work you are doing on including links to EB1911 on Wikisource. However when you add a link to as you did here here and here pleas include the EB1911 article name within the template. This is because if the Wikipedia page is moved in the future the links within the template will still point to the correct page. Also if in the future the Wiksource EB1911 artilce is moved it will be easier to identify the affected templates on Wikipedia. In other words in including the Wikisource article name is a "fail safe". I have just been through adding names to over 600 and will add the name to half dozen or so that have been altered since I started the task. -- PBS (talk) 21:16, 21 June 2016 (UTC)

In the case of the article Chatelaine (chain) using the default without a parameter in links to 1911 Encyclopædia Britannica/Chatelaine (chain) which does not exist one has to use. BTW in most cases I have replaced with the inline  (adding a short=x parameter to keep it brief, and volume=) as that it fits with the guidance in WP:MOSSIS "" -- PBS (talk) 21:33, 21 June 2016 (UTC)


 * Thanks PBS, I'll do that in future edits. DivermanAU (talk) 03:16, 22 June 2016 (UTC)

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Template:Cite EB1911
Thank you for this edit. I have made a slight adjustment. I have removed inline=y, because the parameter inline=y changes the wording of the prescript of Template:EB1911 from "" to "":

As Template:Cite EB1911 does not have a prescript the parameter inline=1 has no affect on the display but it
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 * Thanks! My bad. DivermanAU (talk) 21:18, 25 April 2017 (UTC)

EB1911
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There are lots of other templates, but their use is less common. I have a number of them in a chaotic listed on my notes page: User:PBS/Notes (see also: WikiProject Wikisource/Citation Uniformity)

There is a consensus that the details provided by these templates for citation are too much for "Further reading" and particularly "External links" sections. So a switch "short=x" is provided to remove some of those details:
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 * Hi PBS — Thanks for the info, I've been keeping track of articles referencing Catholic Encyclopedia via Category talk:Articles incorporating text from the 1913 Catholic Encyclopedia with no article parameter for a while. I've done some work on reducing numbers in this category and adding wstitle in the past, but have been focusing on EB1911 recently. DivermanAU (talk) 22:15, 9 October 2018 (UTC)

EB1911 is no longer a mystery
I believe you added the final EB1911 article names to knock the Category:Wikipedia articles incorporating a citation from the 1911 Encyclopaedia Britannica with no article parameter down to zero. Congratulations! David Brooks (talk) 16:20, 2 November 2018 (UTC)


 * Thanks for that! There were 8001 articles in that category on 31 Jan 2015 when I started to reduce their number. Others also contributed to reducing the number of articles in that category, mainly PBS and Suslindisambiguator. DivermanAU (talk) 19:31, 2 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Congratulations to all. That is an impressive achievement. -- PBS (talk) 21:42, 3 November 2018 (UTC)
 * user:Slowking4 also needs an honourable mention. -- PBS (talk) 21:55, 3 November 2018 (UTC)
 * My own minor contribution was a side-effect of the EB1911 verification project, but of course that has diminished as the rest of you have fixed all the remainder! David Brooks (talk) 02:04, 4 November 2018 (UTC)

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EB1911 - Category:Wikipedia articles incorporating a citation from the 1911 Encyclopaedia Britannica without Wikisource reference
Dear DivermanAU. I am talking to you because I saw your recent edits on the article James Hamilton, 1st Earl of Abercorn concerning the way how Encyclopedia 1911 (EB1911) should be cited. In these edits you:


 * 1) replaced EB1911 URLs pointing to Internet Archive sources with URLs pointing to WikiSource in the sfn tags in the text;
 * 2) similarly replaced the URL in the citation template for the cited EB1911 volume in the "Notes and references" section; and
 * 3) removed the entry "Category:Wikipedia articles incorporating a citation from the 1911 Encyclopaedia Britannica without Wikisource reference" in the category list.

Please do not misunderstand me, I am a newby and will gladly follow the guidance given by seasoned Wikipedians such as you, especially when I understand the reasons and see the advantages.

I recently had a discussion about how to cite EB1911 with David Brooks and he decided to tolerate the way I did it and created the mentioned category for such cases. I am glad to see that you preserved my indications of column and line in the sfn, which David Brooks initially removed, and also preserved my use of the Citation template, which David Brooks replaced with the "Cite EB1911" template, at least in the article Antoine Hamilton. Does this constitute a change of policy? have you discussed this with David?

If so, this change of policy does not seem to be reflected in the house-style of the WikiProject_Encyclopaedia_Britannica project, which makes no mention of the possible use of column and line and still seems to prescribe the use of Cite EB1911. I know about this house-style because David told me to look at it. Should this style not be prescribed in the Wikipedia Manual of Style (MOS)? Backbenchers like me will not normally read prescriptions given in projects. We struggle to learn and follow those in the MOS. I also feel that important changes in style should be communicated to all editors; but perhaps they are and I just do not know where to look for such information? If we are not told, we are of course likely to interfere with your work or continue to add text written in outdated styles.

By the way, I nevertheless still feel that Wikisource, which was probably playing an essential role still a couple of years ago, has been overtaken by the efforts made by the likes of Internet Archive, who have improved their coverage and quality significantly. I feel that Wikipedia should focus on its encyclopedia and leave the storing and capturing of the sources to others. I understand that it hurts when such an amount of work is stopped and finally thrown away. Someone seems to have quite recently been adding facsimile images to some (or all?) of the EB1911 in Wikisource.

With many thanks, Johannes Schade (talk) 10:02, 16 August 2019 (UTC)


 * Dear Johannes, I did discuss with David Brooks about using Wikisource instead of archive.org scans, he thought it was a good idea see his talk page . The advantage of Wikisource over a scan are numerous: searchable text, links to other EB1911 articles; links to the EB1911 1922 edition articles (where they exist), categories. etc. (edit —linking to the "page" at Wikisource still shows a scan of the article and allows your method of using the line numbers to be usable.)


 * The mentioned "Category:Wikipedia articles incorporating a citation from the 1911 Encyclopaedia Britannica without Wikisource reference" was created in 2011 to track Wikipedia articles that need to have a Wikisource ref. and was not to be used manually (see its history). The numbers a few years ago were over 1300, now there are under 200.


 * Wikisource is used widely as a reference for EB1911 in Wikipedia, there are over 11,000 articles in Category:Wikipedia articles incorporating text from the 1911 Encyclopædia Britannica and over 19,000 articles in Category:Wikipedia articles incorporating a citation from the 1911 Encyclopaedia Britannica with Wikisource reference. Are you suggesting these all be changed?


 * The scanned images at archive.org can be useful and I use them from time to time. Perhaps include a link to there from the articles you've mentioned.
 * Edit — I've thought of a compromise Johannes, if you edit an article and refer to the EB1911 and the archive.org scans, would you mind using the {cite encyclopedia} template and not {cite EB1911}? The latter causes an entry in the tracking "Category:Wikipedia articles incorporating a citation from the 1911 Encyclopaedia Britannica without Wikisource reference" if "wstitle" is not used. Could you also please include an external link to the Wikisource article (if one exists) if you do use the {cite encyclopedia} template? Thanks. Regards. DivermanAU (talk) 22:40, 16 August 2019 (UTC)


 * Dear DivermanAU. Thanks for offering a compromise. You propose that when citing EB1911 using Internet Archive, I should comply with the two following rules:


 * Rule 1: Use the "cite encyclopedia" template and never than the "cite EB1911" template, which will be for exclusive use with Wikisource;
 * Rule 2: Include an external link to the Wikisource article


 * The first rule makes a lot of sense. Can you please also allow the "citation" template with the "encyclopedia" parameter. I know I have used it for EB with the "dictionary" parameter, I propose to go through the articles where I cite Internet Archive for EB1911 and correct this error.


 * The second rule strikes me as unreasonable because it confuses the reader. How should the reader understand that there is a need for an entry of a link to Anthony Hamilton in the "External links" section of the article about James Hamilton? When I saw this first I thought it was an error. Why do you need this external link? If the bot cannot be improved and absolutely needs (at least for now) to find an "cite EB1911" entry after having encountered a sfn or with Chisholm 1911 in it, then I would, as a compromise, rather have that entry in the list of references in the "Notes and references" section immediately under the corresponding entry for the EB1911 in Internet Archive. I think this is less confusing for the user. What do you think? Johannes Schade (talk) 17:53, 17 August 2019 (UTC)


 * Hi Johannes, regarding the first point (not really a "rule"), sure use "citation" if suits you better. As regards the second point the external link I added is not needed, my intent was to make the Wikisource version available easily from the article. I used the link to "Anthony Hamilton" to replicate the link you added to him using citation template. If the EB1911 article about Anthony is not relevant, remove the external link and the citation to him. I agree it may be better to include the Wikisource entry in 'Notes and references". Regards, DivermanAU (talk) 20:32, 17 August 2019 (UTC)


 * Dear DivermanAU. I have decided that it is wiser to follow your lead as a senior Wikipedian and I have changed all EB1911 citations in Antoine Hamilton to point to Wikisource. Please have a look and tell me whether you are satisfied. I will go through the other ones and do the same there, once you have approved. However, for the future and for other references that are available in Wikisource, especially DNB, I would want to learn whether there is a rule limiting the freedom of WP editors to choose the source they like. I have looked a bit and found no such rule in the MOS. I still do not understand why you and David Brooks decided to change my EB1911 citations from Archive to Wikisource. With thanks for your patience. Johannes Schade (talk) 13:22, 22 August 2019 (UTC)


 * Dear Johannes, I saw your edits on Antoine Hamilton, looks pretty good. It supports your use of line numbering, doesn't create an entry in the "Category:Wikipedia articles incorporating a citation from the 1911 Encyclopaedia Britannica without Wikisource reference" and still shows the Wikisource text (and scanned image). Wikipedia, being a collaborative effort, doesn't have many hard and fast rules — but does have guidelines. There are several projects in Wikisource to store and organise reference material e.g.1911 Encyclopædia Britannica, Encyclopædia Britannica, Ninth Edition, Appletons' Cyclopædia of American Biography, The Encyclopedia Americana (1920), Catholic Encyclopedia (1913) etc. and it makes sense to use information there. There is a WikiProject first created in 2002 to standardise the use of information from EB1911 and the Template:EB1911 which was designed to use Wikisource (when the article is available there). When the EB1911 template is used and "wstitle" is not, an entry automatically appears in "Category:Wikipedia articles incorporating a citation from the 1911 Encyclopaedia Britannica without Wikisource reference" as mentioned before. That is a tracking category and several people (including myself) use it to focus on the Wikipedia articles which need Wikisource reference. I've spent a lot of time recently in reducing the number of articles in that category, it's talk page documents the numbers over time. Some of your earlier edits made articles re-appear in that category, after I had previously added the Wikisource entry in the EB1911 template to remove it from the category. Hope that is some help to clarify the situation. DivermanAU (talk) 03:36, 23 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Dear DivermanAU. I suppose this solves the problem. With many thanks. Johannes Schade (talk) 06:52, 23 August 2019 (UTC)

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Hi DivermanAU, I replaced the formatting for the disambiguation links on Lock. Per WP:INTDAB, all intentional links to DAB pages are routed through a title containing '(disambiguation)', to distinguish them from DAB links made in error. Leschnei (talk) 13:43, 14 November 2020 (UTC)

Members of the Victorian Legislative Assembly, 1883–1886
Please check my recent edit of Members of the Victorian Legislative Assembly, 1883–1886, which was intended to fix an issue with your edit of this article of 21:03, 11 May 2014. Cheers! —Anomalocaris (talk) 23:39, 15 June 2021 (UTC)


 * , thanks for fixing that article. I'm not sure about the details but I see from the Electoral district of West Bourke I added a ref. for Samuel Staughton Sr. on 12 February 2015, so maybe there was doubt in my mind about his membership when I did the 2014 edit on the article you fixed. Incidentally, I see the Victorian parliament website for past members has changed (to https://www.parliament.vic.gov.au/about/people-in-parliament/re-member), so I updated it in both articles mentioned above. I also see there's now an article for Samuel Thomas Staughton Sr. Regards, DivermanAU (talk) 01:14, 16 June 2021 (UTC)


 * Glad to help out, and thanks for taking it the rest of the way. Just so you know, that  markup, lacking a table cell pipe, caused a Fostered content lint error, and that's how I came to this page, and as the page history was short, it didn't take long to track down the original markup and where it went bad. We can always use more volunteers fixing this and other lint errors. See WP:Linter for more on how you can help! Cheers, —Anomalocaris (talk) 06:31, 16 June 2021 (UTC)

"R. H. Anderson" listed at Redirects for discussion
An editor has identified a potential problem with the redirect R. H. Anderson and has thus listed it for discussion. This discussion will occur at Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 October 25 until a consensus is reached, and anyone, including you, is welcome to contribute to the discussion. Hog Farm Talk 19:17, 25 October 2022 (UTC)

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