User talk:Durrus

Manual of Style
I've noticed you are making a number of contributions in Irish music (and other areas related to Ireland). It looks like you have plenty of good content to contribute, but your edits don't conform to the Manual of Style. Wikipedia articles generally include a certain amount of "markup", rather than just containing blocks of raw text. Please have a look through the Manual of Style, or perhaps have a look at some other articles to see the general style that is used.

Also, your entry at Francis (Chief)O'Neill - Traditional flute player, music collector and publisher in Chicago 1848 - 1936 will probably be merged in with the existing article at Francis O'Neill. Please try to choose page names that have manageable titles (a user is unlikely to type in a page name like the one you created). Dsreyn 16:13, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

Judges of the High Court
Regarding your recent edits at the high court article do these judges only take civil cases as the paragraph indentation seams to imply this? Djegan 18:53, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

Julia Clifford
A tag has been placed on Julia Clifford, requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done because the article seems to be a biographical account about a person, group of people, or band, but it does not indicate how or why he/she/they is/are notable. If you can indicate why Julia Clifford is really notable, I advise you to edit the article promptly, and also put a note on Talk:Julia Clifford. Any admin should check for such edits before deleting the article. Feel free to leave a note on my talk page if you have any questions about this. Please read our criteria for speedy deletion, particularly item 7 under Articles. You might also want to read our general biography criteria. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag yourself. To contest the tagging and request that admins should wait a while for you to assert his/her/their notability, please affix the template  to the page, and then immediately add such an assertion. It is also a very good idea to add citations from reliable sources to ensure that your article will be verifiable. -- Hawaiian717 22:14, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

Outlines and extremely short entries
Please don't create "outline" pages, as you did for Padraig O'Keeffe and Glengariff (for example), or very short stubs like the one for Robert D. Fitzgerald. Even though the subjects may be notable, entries like these may get deleted before they get fleshed out. The problem is that other editors, not knowing the notability of the subjects, tend to assume a lack of notability and bring them to AfD (some of these could also get "speedy deleted"). It might be better to create fewer articles, but put a little more content into the ones that you do create.

Also, please try to become more familiar with style guidelines (as I mentioned previously). A few specific examples:
 * Top level headings should have two equal signs (not three).
 * An article shouldn't be chopped up (divided by headings) into a bunch of extremely short (one or two sentence) sections - see the Edward Bunting article, for example.
 * Please try to use full sentences rather than fragments.

If in doubt about proper style, have a look at existing pages and see how other editors are formatting things. Dsreyn 13:44, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

Irish musicologists
Hey Durrus, I just wanted to acknowledge the good work you've done on Irish Music articles recently, you certainly have broad knowledge of the topic and excellent local knowledge. Also thanks for contributing to the Crawford College of Art and Design article.

I've been doing a bit of clean up on articles you've created, having an interest in the subject I've enjoyed helping out and have been learning along the way. However, you might like to consider more the style you are writing in, perhalps maybe constructing a more narrative approach rather than making series of statments. That said, contributors of primary information such as youself are in a minority of wikipedia editors and are perhalps most important.

By the way did you see the Irish musicologists category User: Dsreyn created today. This is someting you might find usefull in linking up your (many) articles. See you --Coil00 23:27, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

Thank you for your kind comments, I feel that huge work has been done historically by people whose efforts have not been acknowledged and now is a good time to make their contribution to collecting and promoting knowledge more widespread Durrus 19:38, 15 July 2006 (UTC)
 * I agree, a project like this is a great way to provide some recognition for people you don't hear from too often; I like jumping around the categories and lists of wikipedia for this reason - you never know what buried treasure you'll stumble on! I'd be particularly interested in creating an article that gave an overview of the development  / timeline of the music over the centuries, both stylistically and in terms of instrumentation, but might be quite a large task, another days work, perhalps. Anyway --Coil00 21:24, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

Ellen Hutchins
A tag has been placed on Ellen Hutchins, requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done because the article seems to be a biographical account about a person, group of people, or band, but it does not indicate how or why he/she/they is/are notable. If you can indicate why Ellen Hutchins is really notable, I advise you to edit the article promptly, and also put a note on Talk:Ellen Hutchins. Any admin should check for such edits before deleting the article. Feel free to leave a note on my talk page if you have any questions about this. Please read our criteria for speedy deletion, particularly item 7 under Articles. You might also want to read our general biography criteria. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag yourself. To contest the tagging and request that admins should wait a while for you to assert his/her/their notability, please affix the template  to the page, and then immediately add such an assertion. It is also a very good idea to add citations from reliable sources to ensure that your article will be verifiable. --ais523 15:47, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

Suggestions for improvement
Your articles are of a higher quality than many I notice on newpage patrol, but as you asked for some suggestions, here are some: Good work, though; keep it up! --ais523 17:08, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Read MoS:BIO for more information on the correct way to format biographical articles.
 * Create drafts of articles until they are long enough to move to the main namespace without fear of being speedy-deleted. You can do this in a user sandbox at User:Durrus/sandbox.
 * Add categories to make the articles easier to find; for instance, Category:Irish people would be appropriate for Ellen Hutchins, and Category:Lists of Irish people for Irish Botanical Artists. You can add a category by wikilinking to it at the bottom of a page.
 * Try to keep within the Naming conventions; Irish Botanical Artists should probably be at List of Irish botanical artists. The 'move' link at the top of each page (next to the 'edit' and 'history' links) lets you rename a page.

John A Oliver
should be reinstated, one of the most influental civil servants in northern ireland 60s 70s more work to be doneDurrus 07:54, 24 July 2006 (UTC)
 * I'm sorry, I don't know what article you are talking about. Can you please provide the exact name? Stifle (talk) 12:44, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

i understood that you had deleted the article statted yesterday, JOHN A. OLIVER, Northern Ireland Civil servant Durrus 14:43, 24 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Ah, I see. John A. Oliver was deleted as it was an article about a real person which did not assert the notability or importance of that person. If you would like the article restored, please provide some evidence that Mr. Oliver reaches the standards for inclusion at WP:BIO. Alternatively you may make a listing at Deletion review. Stifle (talk) 15:17, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

Durrus Village
Perhalps the Durrus Cheese article should be moved to Durrus Cheese and the Durrus Village to Durrus? I quite like that cheese, but I think the village came first and is more notable --Coil00 22:33, 25 July 2006 (UTC)


 * I agree can you organise same, p.s. where are you from ? Durrus 22:36, 25 July 2006 (UTC)


 * That's done. I don't want to say online where I'm from - but - if I said Mort Kelleher tought me accordian a few years back you might guess ; ) I'm a big music fan and going through a trad phase at the moment, trying to learn about its development, which is why I've knocked across your pages. Especially I like Seán Ó Riada, Planxty & Iarla Ó Lionáird (three pages I'd like to work on fairly soon). Anyway --Coil00 23:06, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

Re Sean O Riada, Tomas O Canainn's book is good. I vaguely remember O@Riada arriving at UCC in his jaguar with the Cuil Aodha choir to give a concert at the La Retraire Durrus 07:27, 26 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Hey again, thanks for the tip on the O'Canainn book, tracked down a copy in amazon last night, looking forward to reading it. Quite a sad story toward the end I expect, Cuil Aodha is quite close to me, often drunk in the Mills pub, and knew one of the sons in college. Can't quite picture him a jaguar though! That does NOT tie in with the image I have of him!! --Coil00 20:08, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

I should mention that the jag was i I think fairly old andbrown. I think I have a cutting somewhere from the old Sunday Press of O Riada in Cuil Aodha with a shotgun the country gent. His mother lived for many years in Dorgan's Road in Cork Durrus 21:18, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

He he, an 'old & brown' jag is still a jag...though I can imagine him with a shotgun somehow ;)

Hey, could I give a few tips about editing -


 * - fill in the edit summary, maybe just a quick note on what changes you made: it makes it easier for other editors (and yourself) to see at a glance what changes have been made since they last visited


 * - use the 'show preview' button when making edits, rather than a series 'save page' edits, again its no big deal but it just makes the edit summary tidier when there are'nt same day multiple edits

Other than that keep up the good work - did you see the Botanical Artists article has been listed in Uncategorised good articles. --Coil00 21:36, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

Hi, any suggestions for the botanical article/category. Can you advise on using the sandbox for creating an article over a few dats ?Durrus 07:39, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

Created the botanical art category but am wondering if 'botanical gardens' are a subcategory of 'botanical art'? Or are they related at all? Also, what do you think about moving Historic Cork Gardens to List of botanical gardens in Cork.

I never use the sandbox to be honest, I think the preview option is enough, lets you check over spelling, grammer etc before saving. But you could use your user page as a testing ground: save versions of the article there until you are happy with it and then cut and paste into the main article. Anyway, what a morning! --Coil00 10:54, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

an invitation
I notice that you're an active contributor to Music of Ireland, and wonder if you'd be interested in joining this WikiProject? Your input would be most welcome! --Kaini 04:32, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

Thank you very much, I would be delighted, what do I do?
Durrus 11:39, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

Help requested
I have done some work on the history of the Durrus/Environs area is ther a problem in posting this as a new item?Durrus 14:08, 6 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Not as such, however, everything must be verifiable, don't write an article if it's original research, and you are not ready to cite reliable sources. Equendil Talk 15:47, 6 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Also please expand the entry about Durrus before starting a new entry such as History of Durrus, there's plenty of room for a "history" section there. Equendil Talk 15:49, 6 October 2006 (UTC)
 * The history section is way too long to be absorbed into the main Durrus article (article is now 35kb), and deserves it's own dedicated page. The best solution is to give a brief outline of the history on the main page, headed by a "Main article" tag. That said the format needs a lot of tidying up, Durrus you have made great contributions to Wikipedia, and I'll guide you on this; here are a few handy style guides that you might follow to make the entries more logical and easier to read:
 * Use of Heading, Sub Headings and Lists: The contents box at the top of each aticle has a heirarchy of "==Heading==" or "===Subheadings===". The usual amount of headings is about 5, and maybe, for longer articles the first heading would have 8-10 subheadings. But it depends on overall article size - see: large or small. Elements of lists should not be denoted either by a blank line or by a subheading, the better break is to use the * symbol followed by a space before each element: example.
 * References: Rather than citing the full detail of your source in the body of the article, use the following templates:
 * - If sourcing from a book use the ref tag and the format "Author surname, author first name, "book name", book publisher, book page. isbn number]] eg Brinley, Lanting, "The dating of fulachta fiadh", "Burned Offerings, 1990, Wordwell, p55-56. ISBN 0-5002-7809-1.
 * - If sourcing from a webpage use this format.
 * To find the code to make these citations appear at the bottom of the page go to Fulacht fiadh, choose edit for the References section and copy and paste the text to your article, just above the 'external links' section.
 * Writing Style. I notice you tend to make statements of fact, followed by fact. Maybe try writing in a more narrative way, at present your style is more of an abrupt, footnote type. The easiest way to get the hang of this is to read similar articles to the ones you're creating and, well, just copy them. For example Bayham Old Abbey is an excellent short, but engaging, article that well expreses relevant info without decending into trivia or lists. To find such articles, jump around the categorys until you find an editor with similar knowledge to yours, and well watch and learn.
 * Preview: Use the preview button to look at how yor contribution looks, both grammatically and visually.
 * Anyway, these are not criticisms at all, just guides, and as I've said before, your dept of knowledge is very much welcome in the community. Happy editing Coil00 23:22, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

Many thanks for you help, I will try and take it on board. - Durrus 20:34, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

Re: Durrus and District History. The most important thing to do here is reduce the article size. There is great detail here, but some of it is trivial and the length make reading the article a daunting task. Also you might consider giving a overview in the first paragraph, before the contnts box. To learn how to do this see here. Slan Coil00 11:50, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

Fulacht fiadh
I'm trying to expand out an article on Fulacht fiadh, but am having difficulty finding sources; there's a few good websites, but they tend to be fairly repetitive. Could you point me in the direction of a few good books, or maybe other sources that you know of. I notice in your archaeology contributions that you have very specific origion data, and I'd like to get access to such info for these articles. - Coil00 20:47, 7 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Hi, Try the Archaeological Inventory of County Cork, Vol 1 West Cork, p.79, it indicates that they are Bronze Age, 4,000 in Ireland, 2,500 in Co Cork, also try O Drisceoil, D.A. 1988, "Burnt Mounds: Cooking or Bathing?, Antiquity 62, 671-680, you could also ring Dr. Neill Buttimer of the History Department of University College Cork, while it is not his aarea he is very helpful and might point you in the direction of an expert in the Archaeology Department, Durrus 21:10, 7 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Thanks for that, I did pick up copy of Power's book a few months back, but have been unable to track down O Drisceoil's. Where did you find it? Also, out of curiosity Durrus, what is your academic background? - Coil00 21:30, 7 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Hi, I do not have a copy of O Drisceoil's article, I would say that any university library would get it for you if you tell them you are a "scholar". I went to College in Cork in the 1970s and am a lawyer,  I have an amateur interest in history and things of that nature and over the years have bought a lot of books that I now find very useful for articles etc.  Slan Durrus 21:48, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

Award
I'm really flattered I dide't know there was such a thing. You probably came acros the early 19c. Cork groupings Windle, Caulfield etc antiquarians, a lot of them were business people as was Paddy O'Keeffe of Bantry a truly great local historian, are you still in Cork or have you departed I am mostly in Dublin but spend a lot of time in West Cork Durrus 22:12, 7 October 2006 (UTC)


 * I gave you that star because from following your articles I have found a lot of areas I hand'nt been aware of, and have since been sparked by. However, I am concerned by you editing style, it's a small matter, and easily fixed, maybe I guide you through a clean up of Durrus and District History, or even a chat over a pint some day. - Coil00 22:28, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

Thanks, if you are in Dublin give mea ring Durrus 22:32, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

Openion
I took near Waterville last August. What is it, the remains of a ring fort or an unusally large Fulacht fiadh?? - Coil00 23:03, 7 October 2006 (UTC)


 * I would say ringfort, Fulacht fiadha I would have thought are a lot smallerDurrus 23:10, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

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Durrus and District History
Hi, The Durrus and District History article is growing really fast. Can you maybe shorten the article and not add so much? It is quite hard to read it. --Kristod 19:43, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

Hi, what would you suggest be moved ? Durrus 20:15, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

Hello! Please read Summary style for information about splitting a page in to smaller sub-pages and leaving summaries of the seperated information on the main article page. 160k is too long for an article size; this adversely affects some browsers, causing the page to be split and making articles impossible to read. (aeropagitica) 20:20, 14 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Durrus, as an observation, you should construct your articles in a more narrative style. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not a reservoir of facts. You need to concern yourself with the end user of your edits, someone who is looking for a readable summary of the topic, not unformatted bibliographical inforamtion.
 * It would seem you don't read back over edits you've made; quite a few are riddled with puncuation errors, spelling errors, illogicial sentence fragments, and out of context clauses. This would explain the multiple "clean up" request being made by other editors.
 * I would guess that articles are being created with regard to source, rather than topic. Also you need to state your sources. I say this both because its a fundemental requirment of the the project, but also, because, and to be fair, they are excellent, and I'm interested in tracking them down.
 * Hope I'm not coming down too hard, just trying to unlock the capablity of a potentially valuable editor, and you have always seemed receptive to both critism and suggestion. For what its worth, I can't spell to save my life, and am constantally corrected by other editors.
 * Durrus, you need to slow down, read and reread your articles, think about their structure, language, read others articles, and damn it, start copy editing.
 * My experience of Wikipedia is about 20% adding primary info, 80% copyediting. Anyway, thats my 10c. - Coil00 20:58, 14 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Fair commentDurrus 21:39, 14 October 2006 (UTC)
 * These are not critiisms, more suggestions for room for improvement. I WANT you to stay with the project, albeit with a more foucsed and editorail approach. It's a common occurance in Wikipedia, those with facts at hand tend to wade in, fact fact fact, leaving us miserable copy editors with weeks of untaglement to sort out :)
 * BTY, it's usual to respond to messages by answearing in the users own talk page. No hard feelings eh - Coil00 00:52, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

Hi Durrus. You may have noted that at least two of the Durrus and District History articles have been nominated for deletion. To be honest I have to agree that - in their current form - the articles are not entirely appropriate to the project. There is an incredible amount of "content", and - because it seemed like such a waste - I've been trying to read and make some sense of the articles. With a view to salvaging. Such that they could be improved to a form that would remove them from the AfD radar.

Unfortunately however - per comments above by other users with relation to MOS and "narrative style" - there is a vast amount of work to do. And - being unable to take it on - it may be better to start again. Per Coil00, a considerable amount of work would be required to summarise/edit the content to an encyclopedic standard.

Please don't take this as a criticism (as I offer this as a means of support to help ensure your previous work isn't in vain), but in it's current form the articles are not reader friendly. There is no apparent relationship between the sections, or context, and therefore no cohesion for the reader.

Each of the 3 articles appear to be just a mass of "snippets" from census data, land ownership records and historical documents that are unrelated to each other. Per Coil00 (and the guideline that Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information) WP articles need to offer a context. It is therefore not appropriate to "dump" random data from historical texts and leave it up to the reader to make sense of it all.

It may be a bit late in the game (given that you did not react to the other users who suggested a review 8+ months ago), but if you need some advice on how best to go about salvaging your material, please let me know. Le meas. Guliolopez 18:05, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

I note that your articles are listed for WP:AFD. They are potentially good articles, but are not (in my view) suitable in this form for WP. I hope you will ensure that your work is saved elsewhere. It should then be uploaded (as a number of spearate pages) to a dedicated website. This should then be summarised into a WP article.

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John O'Donovan
Thank you for correcting me on that error. --Maelnuneb (Talk) 19:30, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

Ta failte romhat, you'r welcome as we say
a junior in high school. I hope that I will be an excellent addition to the Wikipedian team, Thank you.

Irish parliaments
Hi, your recent cut and paste job on Irish House of Commons makes no sense what so ever. Irish Parliaments 1692-1800 is not a suitable name for an article. Why the arbitrary cut-off point at 1692? Ideally, each parliamentary session should have its own article, as has been done for Patriot Parliament. I acknowledge the fact that you provided much of the original data for Irish House of Commons, but the complete lack of any formatting make it wholly useless to Wikipedia users. I'm afraid I'm going to have to cut and past back from Irish Parliaments 1692-1800 to Irish House of Commons. In the future, please discuss any major moves like this with other users on the relevant talk page.--Damac 20:09, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

Hi,

I consider the period 1692-1800 to be the core period of the old Irish Parliament, and as such has a logic. The main article is long and could do with appropriate modification. You may very well be correct in suggesting that teach Parliamentary session have its own page. At some future stage it would be worthwhile to try and compile a membership list for each session and this will have an obvious effect on readability. Look forward to hearing from you and the others in this regaard, Slan Durrus 22:36, 21 October 2006 (UTC)
 * I understand that he page as it stands is getting long. However, we cannot simply chop up pages according to our own considerations. Do historians consider 1692 to be the beginning of a new period in the history of the Irish House of Commons or is it just yourself? Apart from that, there is a problem in how you named the article (and this is a problem with most of the article you have created). On Wikipedia, lists should always be named "Lists of ..." for a start. Perhaps what needs to be done is to see how the history of parliaments and their members have been done for other countries. By doing that, we can build on past experience.
 * Anyway, it's great to see that somebody else has a great interest in this period of Irish history. --Damac 06:12, 22 October 2006 (UTC), Dia Dhuit,

1692 marks the date that stability commenced after the upheavals of the 17th. Century culminating in the Battle of the Boyne and for better or worse consolidated the British conquest in ireland. The Parliament so established had a character in terms of the composition of its members background which remained constant until its abolition. Taking up your suggestion maybe the 19th Century template for the Westminster Parliament could be used. Are there enough volunteers out in cyberspace to take sessions of the Parliament and compile lists of members? Chonaic me ar do website go bhfuil Gaelige agat. An bhfuil fios agat conas a chuir an 'fada' ar focail nuair a bhionn tu ag usaid an computer? Slan Durrus 07:08, 22 October 2006 (UTC). Have a look at 1st New Zealand Parliament as a possible template. Durrus 13:50, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

Adding a 'fada'
Durrus, when your editing a wikipedia article, there is a 'Wiki markup' box just below the edit summary thing - has all the characters you need - in both lower and upper case. If you click on the required character in this box, in appears in the text above. Hope this helps! Slán. - Coil00 23:20, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

Muchas gracias! Slán Durrus 08:50, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

CSD tagging
Just to let you know that a couple of articles you recently created have been tagged for speedy deletion (not by me, BTW) Mr Stephen 15:54, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

Parliament of Ireland constituencies
Thank you for your work on the Parliament of Ireland constituencies. I expanded Athy (Parliament of Ireland constituency) based on some other constituency articles. You may want to use the current version of the article as a template when creating other constituency articles. For constituencies within County Cork, use Cork City (Parliament of Ireland constituency) as a template. --TruthbringerToronto (Talk | contribs) 19:11, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

Interesting Link
Tought you might be interested in this. Coil00 23:29, 28 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Go raibh maith agat ach níl an Gaelainn ach cuisioch agam! Durrus 09:52, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

Peer review
I've put forward an article I've been working on for peer review. The usual process here is for other editors to make suggestions for improvement to an article in areas such as writing quality, comprehensivness, highlighting sentences that aren't written from a neutral point of view etc etc. It's a wood/trees excercise really, when you work on a single article for a period you loose objectivity, and start to overlook obvious weaknesses. So you request a peer review, and other editors give you a punt to refocus. Whatever; if you could have a look over, and anything that strikes you as badly written, missing, unnecessary etc etc please place comments here. I realise it's a forum for criticism, rather than praise, but try not to be too brutally honest eh? ;) Wiedersehen - Coil00 01:48, 12 November 2006 (UTC)


 * I know nothin about Nick Drake but the article seems very comprehensive to me. Do you say signed 'up' to a record company as in Island Records?  Slán Durrus 16:08, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

Sean Cuill
fits the criteria for speedy deletion for the following reason: ' non-notable'  216.194.0.154 01:21, 21 May 2007 (UTC) --Android Mouse Bot 2 01:42, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

Aindrias Ó Caoimh
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Your back!
Welcome back again Durrus. Anything strange since I spoke to you last? Was in Durrus last Saturday by concidence; went travelling to Macroom, gougane barra, bantry, durrus, had some guinness, sheaps head, back up again to glengarriff, had some guinness, healy pass, kenmare, guinness, Ladies View, Muckross, killarney, guinness, macroom and home again. And it rained all f***ing day. Ceoil (talk) 23:46, 4 February 2008 (UTC) Despite the rain it seems a very appealing journey here in Dublin,  I'V been working on the local history of the Muintervara peninsula, ttrudge, trudge! very few sources but enjoy it, have done the odd contribution to Wikipedia maybe look at some of the legal articles! Slán leat Durrus (talk)

Cleanup of Durrus and District History Modern
Durrus, I am about to begin a cleanup of the article you had initiated, Durrus and District History Modern. It has been tagged for cleanup since October 2006; over three years ago. I realize, from the History page of the article that almost all of the content of the article has come from you.

For this reason I would very much appreciate your help with the cleanup if possible, if you are still active on Wikipedia.

The two main problems that I see with the article are unverifiable text and extraneous text. You have provided a lot of references. Unfortunately they are not inline citations, which are required per Wikipedia policy, and I do not have the resources to personally access your references to create inline citations.

For this reason I anticipate a lot of the text will be deleted in order to make the article more accessible while reading. All versions of the article are, however, archived by Wikipedia. So, if any of the material has to be added back into the article with inline citations it can be readily accessed. - Idunno271828 (Talk &#124; contribs) 10:12, 27 December 2009 (UTC)

Hello
Back again Durrus? Long time no talk. Ceoil (talk) 11:24, 27 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Are you still stuck up in Dublin? My sympathies if so! Ceoil  sláinte 22:58, 25 February 2010 (UTC)

Still in the big smoke out of action since last summer with a dose of the big C, thankfully after treatment got the ok but will be some time before I am back to myself. Only now have the interest, time and energy to go back to former persuits.Durrus (talk) 23:32, 25 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Well I'm very sorry to hear that Durrus, but glad that you are on the up and up. Its always a good sign when the old interests are back in the frame, and it must be a relief that your energy levels are returning (that can be the hardest step). Some time that you are back in the real capital we might share a pint of black. I'm a sine è (off patrick's bridge) man myself. When did you see the exhibit at the Guggenheim? Ceoil  sláinte 00:10, 26 February 2010 (UTC)

Go raibh maith agat! Looking at the catalogue from the Guggenheim, it was an exhibition of 900 years of Russian Art and we were there in November 2005, from memory it was an enormous exhibition the catalogue is very extensive. Durrus (talk) 14:07, 26 February 2010 (UTC)

Geragh
Hi again Durrus, you left me a mgs a few weeks back about George 6, but on my user page, not talk page, so I missed it sorry. How is all, Dublin treating you well. Re the Geragh, its an interesting story, how it came about, and of course now a beautiful if bleak and poinant nature spot. My great grand aunt's house was flooded to make way, and you can till see the chimey if you are passing the four mile bringe outside Macroom, near where you can see the remenants of the bridge poking out of the water. When you have the time and energy, its a new article the two of us could colloberate on, I have lots of litrature stored up, Kevin Corcaran etc, we could have a fine article on our hands. All the best. Paul. Ceoil 12:20, 19 February 2011 (UTC)

Hi Paul,

Nice to hear rom you.

funny how the brain works, the eocation of the Geragh brought back to me the recent Lee floods and I remembered a book I read recently about Paddy Moriarty ex head of the ESB. He was being quizzed in the 70s about flooding of the Lee Valley and Cork City and the part of Inniscarra Dam in the process, he gave no quarter and thought that St Finbarr was an absolute eejit to have founded a city in the middle of a march prone to floods. The book by the way is a hagiographical volume of the type favoured in the former Soviet republics reading it and the praise of the hero you forget the massive overmanning appaling industrial relations which charactised his time in that organisation, he is credited with changing it but looking back amazing that the country tolerated it for decades. Good appendix in the book about Moriarty's foreign travels he was really imppressed by Vietnam very readable.

As you may have surmised I am doing a lot of reading recently finding the period 1920-1980 interestig some new books with different perspectives.

Slan

Durrus (talk)
 * Durrus, is that book on the esb a few years old, c15-20 years old? it sounds familiar and I think I might have it - my father was a farmer but involved with the esb when they were a state contolled, like th banks now sadly. Hey, you keep on promising, but never give me a shout when you are in the Cork city, It would be nice to meet for a chat. I worry, and did your fight with the big C work out. Slan agus is mise, Paul. Ceoil  00:56, 20 February 2011 (UTC)
 * I know the book I read it yeah very readable, quite the character. There is another book, and its somewhere in my attic, written by an american hyro guy sent to russia in the mis to late 30s to learn about their knowledge of electricity. During the height of the terror, but he had no clue about that, but its faciniating because he the american got on with everyone and it gives a real insight into the russians lives at the time. The russians were flattered by american power and money at the time, so he was entertined by the likes of Beria and Khrushchev, whithout knowing what monsters they were. He found them very well mannered. Ceoil  01:10, 20 February 2011 (UTC)

Hi,

The book is 'Paddy Mo' by Owen McCrohan the book by the American sounds good. I was in the old USSR in the dying days of Gorbachov and my abiding memory is humger very hard to get food and when you did there wase'nt a lot of it. The regime for some reason was not too fond of beer so all the kids were drinking Georgian brandy by the half pint or vodka, I did however see people queing up on the side of the street with beer tankards for a beertanker to pull up bit like a petrol tanker and when all was drunk they disappeared. Must say that Leningrad as it then was is an absolutely beautiful place especially the Hermitage.

Got over the big C deo gratias but picked up a hospital infection that made ribbons of my heart month in hospital open heart surgery etc anyway getting over that hence not in the Southern Capital since last summer. Election looks interesting wonder if we will have a moment like the wipe out of the old Irish Parliamentary Party in 1918?

Slan

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 * Were you in Cork over the season? Ceoil (talk) 00:24, 30 December 2011 (UTC)

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