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Revert
Hello, Ealdgyth. I'm sure you know what I meant to do with that edit, so could you please teach me the best way to do it? Each wiki is different in that particular aspect, unfortunately. Should I use a wikisource link? A template? After more than 2000 translations, I'm pretty sure that external links are, by far, the most common way to quote the Bible here though... Thank you in advance. José Luiz talk 00:48, 13 July 2014 (UTC)
 * See WP:External links #2 where its stated that "External links should not normally be used in the body of an article." I also have two other concerns with that edit - one - if the source being quoted doesn't give the chapter and verse (and it's unlikely that it does since seems to be a quote direct from Cuthbert), then adding to the quote the verse number is original research. Two, the MOS frowns on linking within quotations - see Manual of style the section "Linking" where it's stated that "As much as possible, avoid linking from within quotes, which may clutter the quotation, violate the principle of leaving quotations unchanged, and mislead or confuse the reader." Ealdgyth - Talk 08:56, 13 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Ok. As tiresome as it may be just to make a point, let me try one more time. I'm not trying to quote anything or anyone; Cuthbert said Bede was doing it in the quote reproduced in the article ("And he used to repeat that sentence from St. Paul "It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God") and what I am really trying to do is clarify to the reader (most likely someone not as knowledgeable in this as you are) what sentence "[Bede] used to repeat... from St. Paul". As per OR concerns, what do you think of The Wanderer: Elegies, Epics, Riddles? I think it's not that difficult to find more scholars who made the association for the exact same reason using JSTOR for instance. Thank you. José Luiz talk 21:53, 26 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Unless the quotation (which starts "And he used to repeat..") also has that citation inserted in it, it is not correct to insert it. We do not insert stuff not in the quotation - which implies that the original source of the quotation said something. Quotations must be quoted exactly without extraneous information (I would prefer to remove the links to St Paul, but that's not as big a deal as inserting something not in the original). Ealdgyth - Talk 22:08, 26 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Pardon me for jumping in. José Luiz, I would suggest that you add a note, using the efn template, that gives this information.  It's the sort of thing a reader might be curious about, but it should not be inserted into the quote itself, and I don't think it's necessary to have it in the main text.  I'd suggest adding the note after the citation at the end of the verse. Mike Christie (talk - contribs -  library) 22:21, 26 July 2014 (UTC)

Mustang
Could really use some help with the latest pile-on over there by someone who questions the lead... The naming and capitalization stuff can just play itself out, but this latest one is in need of some eduction. Montanabw (talk) 07:09, 27 July 2014 (UTC)

Apologies
Sorry about my edit to Richard Barre. Somehow I missed the note and I assumed that the fact had simply been missed.-- Auric    talk  00:00, 4 August 2014 (UTC)
 * No worries. If the book on the green children wasn't so famous, I'd not even mention the speculations ... but... Ealdgyth - Talk 00:04, 4 August 2014 (UTC)

Potentially fun and minimal drama (if we knock wood quick)
I'm thinking about taking Rosie Napravnik to FAC. It's GA but I'm not even quite to PR stage yet, more asking if the topic is suitable and such. It's a BLP on a young woman (20-something) and I would value your opinions on the talkpage there. Montanabw (talk) 04:59, 4 August 2014 (UTC)
 * You're missing the fun at Talk:Stigand. And the semi-annual "polish" push on the older articles also. All depends on mother's days - today is a "my legs won't work" day. (Yesterday they were perfectly fine). We'll see what new fun she comes up with tomorrow ... it's always a new exciting excuse! (I'll try to look at the article at some point. Don't be afraid to ping me again). Ealdgyth - Talk 21:33, 4 August 2014 (UTC)


 * Having too much fun at ANI this week, heh. JLAN and I actually agree on something, it's been great fun! Montanabw (talk)  22:07, 4 August 2014 (UTC)

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WikiProject Good articles Future GAN Backlog Drive
Hello everyone! Hope you've all been having a great summer!

TheQ Editor recently proposed the idea of having another Backlog Drive in either September/October or November/December of this year. For those of you who have participated in the past two drives you know I was the one who organized them, however, come September, this will be my most important year in school so I will not be able to coordinate this drive (if it happens). TheQ Editor has volunteered to be a coordinator for the drive. If any of you would like to co-coordinator, please notify TheQ Editor on his talk page.

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At the time this message was sent out, the backlog was at 520 nominations. Since May, the backlog has been steadily increasing and we are currently near an all time high. Even though the backlog will not disappear over one drive, this drive can lead to several others which will (hopefully) lead to the day where there is no longer a backlog.

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RS question
I'm doing a GA review of Evolution of Worcestershire county boundaries, and was hoping you could tell me if you think this is a reliable source. The sources it footnotes to seem OK, but can a local history group without formal academic sponsorship be an RS for our purposes? Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 17:12, 23 August 2014 (UTC)
 * FOr GA, yeah it's fine. It's probably even fine for FA... if nothing better is available. Better than some sources. Ealdgyth - Talk 20:56, 23 August 2014 (UTC)
 * OK, thanks. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 21:28, 23 August 2014 (UTC)

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GA Cup
Hello everyone! We hope you have all been having a great summer!

As we all know, the recent GAN Backlog Drives have not had any big impact on the backlog. Because of that, me (Dom497), Figureskatingfan, and TheQ Editor have worked on an idea that could possibly finally put a dent into the massive backlog. Now, I will admit, the idea isn't entirely ours as we have took the general idea of the WikiCup and brought it over to WikiProject Good Articles. But anyways, here's what we have in mind:

For all of you that do not know what the WikiCup is, it is an annual competition between several editors to see who can get the most Good Articles, Featured Article's, Did You Know's, etc. Based of this, we propose to you the GA Cup. This competition will only focus on reviewing Good articles.

For more info on the proposal, click here. As a FYI, the proposal page is not what the final product will look like (if you do go ahead with this idea). It will look very similar to WikiCup's page(s).

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WikiCup 2014 August newsletter
The final of the 2014 WikiCup begins in a few short minutes! Our eight finalists are listed below, along with their placement in Round 4:


 * , a WikiCup newcomer, finished top of Pool A and was the round's highest scorer. Godot is a featured picture specialist, claiming large numbers of points due to high-quality scans of historical documents, especially banknotes.
 * 1) is a WikiCup veteran, having been a finalist every year since 2010. In the semi-final, he was Pool B's highest scorer. Cas's points primarily come from articles on the natural sciences.
 * 2) was Pool A's runner-up. Czar's points come mostly from content related to independent video games, including both articles and topics.
 * 3) was Pool B's runner-up. Another featured picture specialist, many of Adam's points come from the restoration of historical media. He has been a WikiCup finalist twice before.
 * 4) won the WikiCup in 2012 and 2013, and enters this final as the first wildcard. She focuses on biology-related articles, and has worked on several high-importance articles.
 * 5) is the second wildcard. George's points come primarily from meteorology-related articles. This year and last year, George was the first person in the competition to score.
 * , the third wildcard, was the 2010 champion and a finalist last year. His writes mostly on military history, especially naval history.
 * , the fourth and final wildcard, has participated in previous WikiCups, but not reached any finals. Bloom's points are mostly thanks to did you knows, featured lists and good articles related to sport and national symbols.

We say goodbye to this year's semi-finalists. ,, , , , and  have all performed well to reach this stage of the competition, and we hope they will all be joining us again next year.

There are two upcoming competitions unrelated to the WikiCup which may be of interest to those who receive this newsletter. The Stub Contest will run through September, and revolves around expanding stub articles, especially high-importance or old stubs. In addition, a proposal has been made for a new competition, the GA Cup, which the organisers plan to run next year. This competition is based on the WikiCup and aims to reduce the good article review backlog.

There is now a thread for brainstorming on how next year's WikiCup competition should work. Please come along and share your thoughts- What works? What doesn't work? What needs changing? Signups for next year's competition will be open soon; we will be in touch. If, at this stage of the competition, you are keen to help the with the WikiCup, please do what you can to participate in review processes. Our finalists will find things much easier if the backlogs at good article candidates, featured article candidates, featured picture candidates and the rest are kept at a minimum. As ever, questions are welcome on Wikipedia talk:WikiCup, and the judges are reachable on their talk pages or by email. Good luck! If you wish to start or stop receiving this newsletter, please feel free to add or remove yourself from WikiCup/Newsletter/Send. and 22:09, 31 August 2014 (UTC)