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Emancipation Proclamation
Can you figure out why the infobox has tekst in Danish? I'm sure the fault is not in the article, but I can't see anything in Template:Infobox U.S. Presidential Document. Thanks...! Drmies (talk) 02:50, 2 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Drmies, if longtitle is not set locally, it pulls the 'title' property from Wikidata - which in this case is Danish. There doesn't seem to be a way to suppress display without a specific local value set, which seems to be an error in the template's design. Nikkimaria (talk) 03:22, 2 November 2020 (UTC)

WikiCup 2020 November newsletter
The 2020 WikiCup has come to an end, with the final round going down to the wire. Our new Champion is, the runner-up last year, who was closely followed by. In the final round, Lee achieved 4 FAs and 30 GAs, mostly on cue sport topics, while Gog achieved 3 FAs and 15 GAs, mostly on important battles and wars, which earned him a high number of bonus points. was in third place with 4 FAs and 8 GAs on football topics, with close behind with 19 GAs and 16 DYK's, his interest being the buildings of New York.

The other finalists were, , and. The final round was very productive, and besides 15 FAs, contestants achieved 75 FAC reviews, 88 GAs and 108 GAN reviews. Altogether, Wikipedia has benefited greatly from the activities of WikiCup competitors all through the contest. Well done everyone!

All those who reached the final will receive awards and the following special awards will be made, based on high performance in particular areas of content creation. So that the finalists do not have an undue advantage, these prizes are awarded to the competitor who scored the highest in any particular field in a single round, or in the event of a tie, to the overall leader in this field.


 * wins the featured article prize, for a total of 14 FAs during the course of the competition.
 * win the featured list prize, for 5 FLs in round 4.
 * wins the featured picture prize, for 3 FPs in round 3 and 5 overall.
 * wins the featured article reviewer prize, for 23 FAC reviews in round 5.
 * wins the good article prize, for 45 GAs in round 2 and 113 overall.
 * wins the topic prize, for 33 articles in good topics in round 2.
 * wins the good article reviewer prize, for 100 good article reviews in round 2.
 * wins the DYK prize, for 22 Did you know articles in round 4 and 94 overall.
 * wins the ITN prize, for 63 In the news articles in round 4 and 136 overall.

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Northumbria flag
Can you take a look at please. Dudley Miles (talk) 20:11, 8 November 2020 (UTC)
 * there's no good reason to put the provincial flag with the kingdom - the fact that a personal banner of one king was gold and purple doesn't really support the usage of a red and gold flag. The text in the article is also a copyvio - since it's pretty much word for word what's in the "source". There's nothing that makes the image relevant to the article on the kingdom. And the other image is sourced to a deadline. --Ealdgyth (talk) 20:41, 8 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Can you edit accordingly? I have done so already and I do not think it would help to get into an edit war. Dudley Miles (talk) 21:39, 8 November 2020 (UTC)

Can you have a look...
Forgot to use ping, do you mind commenting at this fa hook discussion? Maury Markowitz (talk) 14:01, 12 November 2020 (UTC)

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Walter de Lacy
Sorry for that. I didn't realize Wightman was being used not only for the marriage of the niece, but also the previous sentence about the wife. Agricolae (talk) 15:53, 23 November 2020 (UTC)
 * No worries. It's not always easy to figure out sometimes... heh. I'm watching the constable article, btw ... so will weigh in if needed. -- Ealdgyth (talk) 15:54, 23 November 2020 (UTC)

Reference-punctuation spacing script
Hi! I noticed Special:Diff/990119024, which was partially to remove space between references and commas/periods. I have a userscript to automate part it (to an extent) which you might like, located at User:DemonDays64/Scripts/Ref tag spacing. 02:36, 24 November 2020 (UTC)

I read your ACE2020
How dare you break the mold of group think and express an independent POV as a free thinker, especially in today's WP climate?! That's a sure fire way to be on the fast track to a t-ban or site ban. (Uh oh, mentioning climate might cause the CC police to slap a DS alert on my TP). All humor aside, thank you for sharing! I knew there was something very special about you that I have always appreciated and admired, other than the horse stuff. Have you thought about an ArbCom candidacy? Anyway...thank you for giving me a moment of renewed faith in the system.  Atsme 💬 📧 11:56, 27 November 2020 (UTC)
 * That-a-way --> User talk:SandyGeorgia Sandy Georgia (Talk)  13:53, 27 November 2020 (UTC)

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Too tired today
Sorry Ealdgyth, I'm too tired to look for those diff's today I told you about..I need to rest.... - GizzyCatBella  🍁  01:06, 1 December 2020 (UTC)

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Input in a discussion
Granted this was 2 yrs ago, but I thought you should check out this particular discussion concerning Pen & Sword. --Kansas Bear (talk) 05:19, 30 November 2020 (UTC)
 * I long ago decided I wasn't going to do much with the Classical Greece & Rome wikiproject because I disagree with them on their usage of primary sources. So I'm not going to weigh in on them debating a modern secondary source while they still defend using primary sources in their FAs. -- Ealdgyth (talk) 13:57, 30 November 2020 (UTC)
 * I understand. --Kansas Bear (talk) 15:18, 30 November 2020 (UTC)
 * P&S isn't scholarly, that's a given. But they aren't uniformly awful either. Like most things, they are a mix, a lot depends on the author more than the actual publisher. Even Oxford publishes some howlers...-- Ealdgyth (talk) 15:24, 30 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Well, I usually go by who authored the source, since according to WP:SPS the author has to be an expert in their field to be considered a reliable source(unless I have that wrong). Therefore, if the author has a doctorate in the classics(for example) then I would expect them to be seen as an expert in that field.
 * What are "howlers"? --Kansas Bear (talk) 17:14, 30 November 2020 (UTC)
 * A "howler" is a gross error, a blatantly incorrect statement. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 09:02, 2 December 2020 (UTC)
 * There have been a few OUP books mentioned on the Fringe Theories noticeboard about pseudoscience topics, I don't recall all of them, unfortunately. -- Ealdgyth (talk) 17:19, 30 November 2020 (UTC)
 * The Oxford Dictionary of National Biography in particular is notoriously sloppy when it comes to howlers and even slower when it comes to publicly admitting their howlers. (It's now more than a decade that I pointed out to them that William Huskisson wasn't even the first person to be killed in a rail accident in Eccles let alone in the world, yet his ODNB biography still describes him as "the first fatality of the railway age".) As regular readers of my talkpage will know, the "it must be a reliable source, it's published by a university press!" argument is a particular bugbear of mine; a lot of these places (including Oxford University Press) are commercial outfits with contracts to publish the academic works of a particular institution, and have no more of an inherent reliability than any other publisher. (Yes, the OUP publish Parliamentary Affairs; they also publish Warrior Monkeys and the Rescue Quest.) With all sources, you need to look at the author, not the publisher. With SPSs you also need to ask yourself why it's being self-published; sometimes something is self-published because the author is a genuine expert who wants to share their knowledge but knows it's not commercial enough to interest a mainstream publisher, but sometimes it's because the author is a crank who doesn't want to go through a mainstream publisher whom they know will fact-check them before publishing. &#8209; Iridescent 18:07, 30 November 2020 (UTC)
 * The Oxford Dictionary of National Biography in particular is notoriously sloppy when it comes to howlers and even slower when it comes to publicly admitting their howlers. (It's now more than a decade that I pointed out to them that William Huskisson wasn't even the first person to be killed in a rail accident in Eccles let alone in the world, yet his ODNB biography still describes him as "the first fatality of the railway age".) As regular readers of my talkpage will know, the "it must be a reliable source, it's published by a university press!" argument is a particular bugbear of mine; a lot of these places (including Oxford University Press) are commercial outfits with contracts to publish the academic works of a particular institution, and have no more of an inherent reliability than any other publisher. (Yes, the OUP publish Parliamentary Affairs; they also publish Warrior Monkeys and the Rescue Quest.) With all sources, you need to look at the author, not the publisher. With SPSs you also need to ask yourself why it's being self-published; sometimes something is self-published because the author is a genuine expert who wants to share their knowledge but knows it's not commercial enough to interest a mainstream publisher, but sometimes it's because the author is a crank who doesn't want to go through a mainstream publisher whom they know will fact-check them before publishing. &#8209; Iridescent 18:07, 30 November 2020 (UTC)

WP:BLANKING
Regarding this edit of yours. I don't think that WP:BLANKING pertains to comments on an outstanding unblock request. By the very nature of such a request it is a discussion that theoretically should have taken place on the forum where the block was decided upon, and only for reasons of practicality it takes place on the editor's talkpage. Removing a pertinent comment from the discussion on such a block is counter to common sense and harms a fair evaluation of the unblock request.

I am willing to raise this question at a later time at the talkpage of WP:BLANKING for inclusion as an official exception to the rule, but would ask you to undo your removal of my comment till such time. Debresser (talk) 17:35, 7 December 2020 (UTC)
 * No, I won't. If you want a second admin opinion, I welcome that, but frankly your comments strike me more as WP:GRAVEDANCING than anything else. I don't see any exception for "comments about a block by a third editor" exceptions in WP:BLANKING. Be the better person - let it go. -- Ealdgyth (talk) 17:41, 7 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Ha, ha. I wasn't familiar with WP:GRAVEDANCING. Let me correct you: I just want to make sure the dead stay dead.
 * I already wrote above that there is no such exception, but that I think there should be, and am willing to raise that issue at WP:BLANKING.
 * I am willing to be the better person, but is that in the interest of this project? I certainly hold that it isn't. I expressed my opinion, you deleted it, so as far as I am concerned, future repercussions of that decision are on you... Debresser (talk) 21:28, 7 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Excuse me... let me get clarity here - is "future repercussions of that decision are on you" supposed to be a threat? Or what exactly do you mean? -- Ealdgyth (talk) 22:47, 7 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Of course not. I mean that if the community will have future problems with GPinkerton because admins did not consider what I explained in that edit you reverted and unblocked him, then you will have moral responsibility for that grief. Debresser (talk) 00:23, 8 December 2020 (UTC)
 * KEEPDECLINEDUNBLOCK comes pretty close to what I mean that an exception is needed. Debresser (talk) 00:36, 8 December 2020 (UTC)
 * For fairness sake, I want to inform you that I did in fact open a discussion just now at Wikipedia_talk:User_pages. Debresser (talk) 00:55, 8 December 2020 (UTC)

One of your Wulfstans is apparently controversial
Thought you might find this vaguely amusing. Let's hope that it doesn't get a bunch of weird edits now. Risker (talk) 01:45, 10 December 2020 (UTC)
 * That made me dizzy. (Enjoy your 15 minutes of fame, while I am enjoying RCC 2 !)  Sandy Georgia  (Talk)  02:00, 10 December 2020 (UTC)

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 * X We all celebrate a festival by whatever name at this darkest period of the year, a deeply uniting phenomenon! so a happy festival to you my friend and colleague, and to all you love! Si. Simon Adler (talk) 03:33, 24 December 2020 (UTC)

Thank you, and to you!
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Happy Holidays
Hi Ealdgyth, thanks for the card. Here's wishing you all the best for 2021. SarahSV (talk) 03:47, 27 December 2020 (UTC)

Thank you :)
Thank you for the card Ealdgyth :), so nice of you. All the best to you as well. - GizzyCatBella  🍁  04:02, 27 December 2020 (UTC)