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Cat merge
Hi there. Categories for discussion/Log/2017 June 28 has been open for a week now with no opposition — it seemed pretty clear-cut anyway due to the renaming of the league to Serie C. Would you mind taking action? Thanks. Vaselineeeeeeee★★★ 15:21, 5 July 2017 (UTC)
 * ✅. We have a modest backlog at the moment, see WP:CFDAC, but I saw no reason to delay this one. – Fayenatic  L ondon 22:24, 5 July 2017 (UTC)

Question about renaming process by bot
Good evening! In this discussion, User:Zfish118 worries about the practical consequences of a category renaming procedure. How big are these risks when it's done by a bot? Marcocapelle (talk) 19:59, 5 July 2017 (UTC)
 * If the understand the discussion correctly, Zfiah118 is concerned about the way small sub-sets of a category hierarchy get nominated at a time, rather than the whole thing. This problem could be reduced by using semi-automation e.g. JWB to nominate larger numbers of categories together. I don't think it's the implementation by bot which is a problem for him, but the piecemeal decision-making process. – Fayenatic  L ondon 21:01, 5 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Ah okay. Thanks. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:59, 6 July 2017 (UTC)

Wool
And a request: would you be willing to undo the closure of Categories_for_discussion/Log/2017_June_18 and relist it instead to give the alt rename a chance? Marcocapelle (talk) 05:59, 6 July 2017 (UTC)
 * I think a fresh nomination would be clearer. I have reworded the close as "do not merge" instead of "keep" so as not to rule this out. – Fayenatic  L ondon 07:13, 6 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Makes sense, thanks! Marcocapelle (talk) 20:41, 6 July 2017 (UTC)

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For all your great work on speedy CFDs

 * Oh, thank you for that. I know you had noticed one or two of the more interesting ones. – Fayenatic  L ondon 12:17, 12 July 2017 (UTC)
 * For the record, BHG, it wasn't only the Speedy page but most of CFD... thanks also to Marcocapelle who was closing many discussions as a non-admin. – Fayenatic  L ondon 10:10, 25 December 2017 (UTC)

Hi
Can you do the same thing to Category:Denver Broncos (AFL) players that you did to the other categories here. It's the same premise. The Broncos cat was just accidentally left out of the discussion. WikiOriginal-9 (talk) 20:24, 12 July 2017 (UTC)
 * I think this would need a full CFD nomination. IMHO a speedy nomination would not fit the bill, because some others were specifically excluded from the merge.
 * It seemed inconsistent to merge players from selected teams into Category:American Football League players but, as that was the clear consensus, I went ahead and did it. – Fayenatic  L ondon 22:07, 12 July 2017 (UTC)
 * The Titans and Texans ones didn't get emptied because there are others teams with the same name, so the (AFL) was needed to disambiguate them. Also, they would have been kept separate anyway because their previous names are different from their current names. For example, the Texans are now called the Kansas City Chiefs and the Titans are the New York Jets. All of the other AFL teams still use the same names, so that's why their cats were merged. It would look weird having a cat called "Dallas Texans/Kansas City Chiefs players". WikiOriginal-9 (talk) 23:25, 12 July 2017 (UTC)

Strigiformes
In this discussion, I wasn't sure what exactly you meant to change in Wikidata, so I haven't touched that part and it's probably something you can better do yourself. There is clear consensus in the discussion anyway. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:08, 13 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Thanks. For the record, I decided not to merge them after all, as some other language Wikipedias have dual hierarchies by scientific name and common name. – Fayenatic  L ondon 06:57, 22 July 2017 (UTC)

Ready for deletion
At CFDWM I've listed a number of categories that have been emptied and are ready for deletion. I've notified User:Explicit before, who hasn't responded however (maybe on holidays?). Marcocapelle (talk) 06:05, 26 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Hi Marcocapelle, we covered it between us. I deleted the establishments categories, and tidied up their century parent category pages. By the time I came back, Explicit had deleted most of the rest. – Fayenatic  L ondon 20:54, 26 July 2017 (UTC)

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Fellows of the Faculty of Public Health Medicine
Please explain why you deleted Category:Fellows of the Faculty of Public Health Medicine. Your edit summary referred to "CSD C2", but there is no such criterion on the page to which you linked. Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 12:37, 31 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Thanks for picking this up. I assumed that the longer name was a mistake. I see now that the Faculty of Public Health Medicine was a former name, so I have reinstated and redirected the category. – Fayenatic  L ondon 12:43, 31 August 2017 (UTC)

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Category:Computing infrastructure has been nominated for discussion
Category:Computing infrastructure, which you created, has been nominated for possible deletion, merging, or renaming. A discussion is taking place to see if it abides with the categorization guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the categories for discussion page. Thank you. --Joy &#91;shallot&#93; (talk) 22:31, 5 September 2017 (UTC)

Kyrgyzstan categories
Hey, considering that there are several ethnic groups living in Kyrgyzstan (and its direct predecessor, the Kyrgyz SSR) beside the Kyrgyz, I think it's best to keep everything not clearly related primarily to the Kyrgyz ethnic group in the country level category.Anonimu (talk) 14:29, 9 September 2017 (UTC)
 * I'll copy the to Category talk:History of Kyrgyzstan. Let's discuss it there. – Fayenatic  L ondon 14:33, 9 September 2017 (UTC)

Mantic
As per your refusal of Prod here[] can you explain exactly what you mean (not disagreeing with you, just trying to understand)? I've looked through the Divination article, and I can't find any reference to "Mantic" there, nor can I see any reason why "Mantic" should redirect there. Again, not disagreeing with you, just confused! Thanks, Darkson  (Another fine mess!) 13:41, 12 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your note. I'll add more explanation at Talk:Mantic. Have you noticed "What links here" in the list of Tools in the navigation panel at the left? Because there are pages that link to Mantic, I thought it would be useful to keep it as a redirect. – Fayenatic  L ondon 06:47, 13 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Thanks for that, and the explanation. To be honest, I don't think I'd ever used the "What links here" button, so had completely forgotten it existed! Cheers, Darkson  (Another fine mess!) 08:01, 13 September 2017 (UTC)

about redirects
Someone said its ok, someone not. whom i can trust?Friendwip.kg (talk) 21:38, 14 September 2017 (UTC)
 * I replied at User_talk:Friendwip.kg. – Fayenatic  L ondon 08:56, 15 September 2017 (UTC)

why you empty category Kyrgyz
Do you have opposite meaning against [Category:Kyrgyz]?Friendwip.kg (talk) 21:52, 14 September 2017 (UTC)
 * You were invited (User_talk:Friendwip.kg) to participate in the discussion at Categories_for_discussion/Log/2017_August_14. I closed that discussion and implemented the consensus. – Fayenatic  L ondon 08:55, 15 September 2017 (UTC)

Biographies of filmmakers
Hello! Just a reminder, the Film project does not cover biography articles. Therefore, the WikiProject Film banner should not be added to articles about actors, directors and filmmakers. Those articles are covered by adding yes to WikiProject Biography instead. Thanks! Fortdj33 (talk) 12:33, 16 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Thanks, will do! – Fayenatic  L ondon 12:43, 16 September 2017 (UTC)

User:Zigzig20s/Harvey Silbert
Hi. I see you've just paid attention to User:Zigzig20s/Harvey Silbert. I'd moved it to mainspace after it was nominated for AFD, as I felt I needed more time to work on it and moved it back to mainspace. However, do you think I should just delete it and save it privately on my computer? I do not have time for Wikidrama.Zigzig20s (talk) 15:18, 18 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Pardon me, I hadn't realised it had been nominated at AfD. I was checking links to a category that had been renamed, and I deleted or blanked some of the other user pages that I found, but your page looked fairly decent at first glance. I thought tagging it would at least prompt you to remember it and perhaps get it ready for publishing, if it's not already. – Fayenatic  L ondon 19:26, 18 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Should I just submit it? And if the community does not like it, I'll keep it privately on my computer.Zigzig20s (talk) 19:37, 18 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Did it work? But if it gets deleted, it doesn't matter. I won't fight this.Zigzig20s (talk) 19:39, 18 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Yes, submitting it has moved it to Draft:Harvey Silbert and apparently put it into a queue for attention.
 * Although it has lots of apparent citations, IMHO it doesn't state clear grounds for notability (WP:BIO). I suggest you make this as clear as you can. – Fayenatic  L ondon 21:51, 18 September 2017 (UTC)
 * He is certainly notable in Beverly Hills and Jerusalem. But I don't have time to argue for it frankly. That's why I'd parked it in userspace.Zigzig20s (talk) 22:07, 18 September 2017 (UTC)

Question at WP:VPT
Hello Fayenatic london. Please see Village pump (technical). Though your name isn't mentioned, I think you are the person being referred to. Presumably you noticed the still-active categories in the private copy. Thanks, EdJohnston (talk) 03:29, 20 September 2017 (UTC)
 * thanks for the heads-up. I have responded there. – Fayenatic  L ondon 11:45, 20 September 2017 (UTC)

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Category:Songs written by Drake‎
Are you proposing to add the other cats to the nomination? I'll make my comment on the nom in due course. --Richhoncho (talk) 14:04, 5 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Yes, please excuse my piecemeal editing today. Now at Categories for discussion/Log/2017 October 5, and I will tag the others. – Fayenatic  L ondon 14:33, 5 October 2017 (UTC)
 * No probs, I was just wondering if I should pick up the baton or let you continue. BTW, Thanks for the nom. --Richhoncho (talk) 14:55, 5 October 2017 (UTC)

Out of process deletions
You might want to intervene in this discussion and the linked follow-up discussion on the user talk page. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:31, 5 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I reinstated the categories. – Fayenatic  L ondon 23:34, 5 October 2017 (UTC)

Id like your opinion
Can I have you look at the draft for SharkLinux and maybe help me regarding its deletion. I had thought I put forward enough sources to satisfy notability standard in the deletion discussion, however, it was deleted (I ask that you review the archived discussion just to ensure things went as you would have expected) There is also some confusion on my part as the admin who deleted and restored to a draft advises that sources need to be referenced within the article to count towards notability which is at odds with my policy research. I would greatly appreciate your guidance. Marpet98 (talk) 06:02, 13 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Hi I agree with the admin's advice that you mention above. The page Draft:SharkLinux needs citations from better sources, see WP:Identifying reliable sources. If the sources listed in the Dropbox document (see Articles for deletion/SharkLinux) are good enough, then add them to the draft. Let me know when you have done it, and I will be willing to format them for you. – Fayenatic  L ondon 07:41, 13 October 2017 (UTC)
 * SharkLinux should not be confused with SharkOS at https://www.distrowatch.com/ LoopZilla (talk) 08:32, 13 October 2017 (UTC)
 * See further follow-up at User_talk:L3X1. – Fayenatic  L ondon 16:33, 29 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Additions were made. May I ask you to review? Marpet98 (talk) 12:53, 28 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Thank you for your assistance and contributions towards the SharkLinux rewrite. Are the improvements to content and additional citations substantial enough to remedy, at least to an acceptable level, the inadequacy of the previous version? Marpet98 (talk) 12:45, 31 December 2017 (UTC)

Category:Old Testament apocrypha
I don't know why you removed "Category:Old Testament apocrypha" from articles of biblical books associated with the Deuterocanon and just left "Category:Deuterocanonical books" alone, but I've placed back the category. If you have any concerns, discuss at the talk page of "Category:Old Testament apocrypha" per WP:BRD. Happy editing & Cheers! — JudeccaXIII (talk) 20:22, 26 October 2017 (UTC)
 * For the record, we continued this at Category talk:Old Testament apocrypha. – Fayenatic  L ondon 11:29, 31 October 2017 (UTC)

Tobias stuff
Wikipedia_talk:Categories_for_discussion/Archive_16. I don't what followed that. cheers. &mdash; Spaceman  Spiff  00:47, 29 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Apparently no action was taken to revert the changes. I will nominate the top of the hierarchy for review.
 * Have you got these?
 * Special:Contributions/85.181.255.44
 * Special:Contributions/78.55.200.192
 * Special:Contributions/85.182.25.35
 * Special:Contributions/85.181.242.105
 * – Fayenatic  L ondon 08:42, 29 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Those definitely look like him, I don't usually block unless it's an active IP at that time as it won't affect him but just some poor soul comes along to it after him (not very likely though). I pinged on the AN discussion, and I think these moves are exactly where his script helped (and I've completely forgotten how or where it is) but maybe he can help based on the timings of the Eldizzino account. Also, I stay away from cats except in straightforward cases precisely because I don't want to mess things up further. cheers. &mdash; Spaceman  Spiff  11:14, 29 October 2017 (UTC)
 * More:
 * Special:Contributions/77.179.110.153
 * Special:Contributions/85.178.112.88
 * Special:Contributions/85.181.157.239
 * – Fayenatic  L ondon 11:13, 31 October 2017 (UTC)


 * That's him, I blocked the latest one, but the others are no longer in use by him. cheers. &mdash; Spaceman  Spiff  11:26, 31 October 2017 (UTC)

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Attested not introduced
I emptied the cat because the proper word for languages is attested not introduced. I thought I did put that in note somewhere.--Bellerophon5685 (talk) 14:59, 3 November 2017 (UTC)
 * I'm not convinced that "attested" applies to constructed languages.
 * for info, this is about https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Category:Languages_introduced_in_1887&action=history . Just in case you do agree with the above, I could merge the decade hierarchy that you set up (Category:Languages by decade of introduction and the 7 decade categories) to the corresponding "attested" categories under WP:C2E, if you consent. – Fayenatic  L ondon 22:06, 3 November 2017 (UTC)
 * I think it would be best to just merge the "introduced" into the "attested" as that is the more precise term.--Bellerophon5685 (talk) 23:28, 3 November 2017 (UTC)
 * as user:Swpb has not consented to merging the hierarchy that he created, feel free to propose a merger at WP:CFD, but please do not empty categories out-of-process. – Fayenatic  L ondon 15:31, 13 November 2017 (UTC)
 * As Fayenatic said, I'm not convinced either that "attested" applies to constructed languages, given the typical meaning of the word. I'd be fine changing the tree to Category:Constructed languages by decade of introduction / Category:Constructed languages introduced in the XXXX's to make the distinction clear. — swpb T go beyond 16:46, 13 November 2017 (UTC)
 * To me this appears to be a Distinction without a difference - attested, if I understand correctly, is usually meant to mean "found" as in earliest sample or the first time it is identified by linguists. Conlangs are different because they can have a specific year when they were introduced by their founders. However, the number of conlangs being so small in comparison to "natural languages" would make creating a specific cat for them relatively small, and probably not enough for year introductions. It makes more sense to me to merge the two together in whatever is the most widely used term. I thought that was attested.--Bellerophon5685 (talk) 17:06, 13 November 2017 (UTC)
 * I'm just not sold. I think there is a real difference. If you feel strongly about merging, you'll have to get consensus at CFD. — swpb T go beyond 18:58, 13 November 2017 (UTC)
 * I think renaming to "constructed languages introduced..." would be helpful. Would you agree to merging the Category:Languages by year of introduction hierarchy to the decades and to the other parent e.g. Category:1839 introductions? The one-page categories look unlikely ever to be better populated. – Fayenatic  L ondon 23:44, 15 November 2017 (UTC)
 * I.e. keep Category:Languages by decade of introduction and its subcats, and merge the year cats to them, but keep them separate from the "attested" cats? Yes, that would be fine. — swpb T go beyond 14:17, 16 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Yes. Given the consent above, I've moved this hierarchy to Category:Constructed languages by decade of introduction. – Fayenatic  L ondon 18:17, 18 November 2017 (UTC)

Proposed category structure for Deuterocanonical books
Please join Category talk:Deuterocanonical books. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:25, 13 November 2017 (UTC)
 * I don't understand what you have written there. Please can you clarify it? – Fayenatic  L ondon 15:12, 13 November 2017 (UTC)
 * please also see Category talk:Hebrew Bible for precedent discussions. Categories that are just about the Protestant Old Testament, which is the same as the Jewish Tanakh, are now called Hebrew Bible. The Old Testament categories were retained as parents over Hebrew Bible and OT Apocrypha (which included deuterocanon).
 * I accept that there should have been more signposting to that discussion. Meanwhile, please would you revert your changes to the OT hierarchy? – Fayenatic  L ondon 15:21, 13 November 2017 (UTC)
 * I have reverted the changes pending the discussion. See second attempt. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:12, 13 November 2017 (UTC)

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Category:Works based on the Book of Esther has been nominated for discussion
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Deletion
Can you please delete the other subcategories at Categories_for_discussion/Log/2017_September_13? Thank you. ―Justin ( koavf ) ❤T☮C☺M☯ 23:57, 24 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Can do, but I'm still checking backlinks to the first one! This is a prime opportunity to blank some obsolete drafts. – Fayenatic  L ondon 19:13, 25 November 2017 (UTC)

Ministry of Commerce (Pakistan) & List of federal agencies of Pakistan
Hey. I see you renamed the Ministry of Commerce and Textile Industry to just Ministry of Commerce, and also reflected such change on the page List of federal agencies of Pakistan. The website of the Government of Pakistan lists all its respective Ministries, and as you can see there is a single Ministry of Commerce and Textile Industry, with two divisions: Commerce Division and Textile Industry Division. So could you revert your changes? Thanks. --110.93.236.75 (talk) 08:40, 27 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Thank you for correcting me, and for providing a citation. I have moved the page back, as requested. – Fayenatic  L ondon 09:27, 27 November 2017 (UTC)
 * k cool --110.93.236.75 (talk) 09:34, 27 November 2017 (UTC)

Category:Old Testament apocrypha places has been nominated for discussion
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News and updates for administrators from the past month (November 2017). Administrator changes
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Archive Sent by MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 20:57, 2 December 2017 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

 * Thank you! And thanks again Joeytje50 for WP:JWB which makes light of repetitive work! – Fayenatic  L ondon 19:21, 4 December 2017 (UTC)

Darius the Mede
Shouldn't that be under Hebrew Bible people instead of Words and Phrases? Editor2020 (talk) 23:52, 6 December 2017 (UTC)
 * OK, that makes sense. I thought you had removed it on the grounds that the page name was English not Hebrew - sorry if I misread you. – Fayenatic  L ondon 23:55, 6 December 2017 (UTC)


 * No problem, but Hebrew Bible people was removed by another user as a subcategory of Monarchs of the Hebrew Bible. Editor2020 (talk) 02:52, 7 December 2017 (UTC)

Improper discussion
You have closed and therefore participated in an improper discussion: Categories for discussion/Log/2017 October 12. Why do I say it was improper? Because there was no notification placed on the categories affected. As a watcher of at least one of those and thus watching, I would have been notified. The creators of those categories would have been notified. This would have presumably brought them into the discussion. It certainly would have brought ME into the discussion had it not been conducted essentially in secrecy. The minimal discussion over the course of more than two months, only from high volume editors who live in the minutia of wikipedia back rooms, shows the lack of publicity of this discussion affecting so many categories. You didn't create this system, but you help validate this improper technique, created to achieve an outcome rather than a fair discussion. This system must get changed.

Overwhelmed, I still might have lost, but instead I and the other people who have so named the categories as a mirror of each other were excluded by the deliberate technique of NOT NOTIFYING THE AFFECTED ARTICLES or ASSOCIATED EDITORS. Locating, , , isn't that hard. Yes and  did participate.

The point I would have made is the entire discussion was about changing the word "people" with "athletes." The problem this created is that there are many coaches, meet directors, administrators and officials, to name a few, also included in those geographical based categories. Some also are athletes but not all of them achieved notoriety in that one role. And there are potentially more to be added who would fit such a situation, these categories are incomplete, as most are. Now some will be excluded because they are not known as athletes. Others look improperly included and are subject to some editor noticing that fact then ultimately removing them. I didn't get the chance to make that point. Trackinfo (talk) 11:49, 17 December 2017 (UTC)
 * From the closure reason I can see that there is still the opportunity to recreate the T&F people categories if there are sufficient non-athletes in that grouping (i.e. people category will contain administrators, coaches, business people etc, with athletes being a subcategory). I think the main intention of the discussion was to stop there being inconsistencies with some states having "people" categories and other ones having "athletes" categories, rather than making a judgement on whether one or the other was useful or not. All major American sports use that structure already. If you think there are enough non-athletes to make the "people" ones worth the while then feel free to create them, Category:Sport of athletics people would be a good place to start from { SFB 18:21, 17 December 2017 (UTC)


 * If the category pages were not tagged, I should have closed the discussion as "procedural close". However, they were indeed tagged, e.g. Arizona, Virginia . Ten renamed categories and two retained categories have WikiProject Athletics banners on the talk page, and therefore appeared in that project's Alerts listing, see permalink and Archive. I know for a fact that 24 category pages were tagged, because they were the final contents of Category:Categories for discussion from September 2017 which became empty after I processed the close of that CFD.
 * CFD discussions can be closed after seven days. This one was open from September to December, so you had ample opportunity to notice it and participate. I'm sorry that you missed the edits to the pages on your watchlist and the Alerts, and that you did not receive a backup notification directly from the nominator; the latter is seen as good practice but is not a procedural requirement.
 * After closure, I set up Category:American track and field people by state or territory with the existing categories for Pennsylvania and Wyoming, which should make it easy for you or other interested editors to re-create any that are needed. Also, Black Falcon did take the trouble to list the members of the categories who are coaches. – Fayenatic  L ondon 22:37, 17 December 2017 (UTC)
 * I see that you have set up one more state category so far. Can I take it that you now accept that the closure was not improper? – Fayenatic  L ondon 11:30, 20 December 2017 (UTC)
 * I'm used to the futility of these discussions. Other expected parties have been heard from, now.  I am trying to move forward to correct the problems caused.  I still believe it was done without proper notification.  It doesn't matter how many months you leave an notice hidden in some obscure location, if you don't notify ALL the affected ARTICLES until it is too late, you have not given reasonable notice.  That is a systematic problem beyond execution of this one CfD. Trackinfo (talk) 16:48, 20 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Well, at least you are no longer claiming that the category pages were not properly tagged. It has never been a requirement to tag any articles about a category, and it would usually be impractical to tag all of them, so your idea of reasonable notice does not overlap with mine. Best wishes for a calm Christmas and a reasonable new year! – Fayenatic  L ondon 22:27, 24 December 2017 (UTC)

Categories for discussion/Working/Retain
It looks like one of this recent patch killed AWB on Windows XP. So it's unlikely I will be able to operate my bot any longer. (Unless I can find cost-efficient Windows 10 laptop.) Armbrust The Homunculus 12:54, 19 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Thanks for letting us know, Armbrust. I manually processed the batches that had been listed there, and what I thought was sufficient of the talk pages.
 * Hope you come into possession of suitable hardware soon-ish. Best wishes for Christmas and a happy new year. – Fayenatic  L ondon 22:22, 24 December 2017 (UTC)
 * I ordered one, and it will arrive probably next week. PS: Happy new year to you too. Armbrust The Homunculus 23:13, 28 December 2017 (UTC)