User talk:Folic Acid/Archive 1

Hey !
Hey Folic Acid, How are you? I haven't "spoken" to you in a while. Anyways, just to let you know, no more TingMing socks have appeared so far, if he has, he's brought down his POV a lot...anyhoo, just wanted to tell you that I added you on Facebook (Just in case you think I some random person...well I am random but you get what I mean :D :P). Nat Tang ta 15:05, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Hey Nat! Yeah - I've been on a break for a little while, since I've been inordinately busy with work and my family.  Still, I can't let things slide too much.  I'm sure that even if the TingMing isn't around, someone like him is waiting in the wings for an opportune time to come and muck things up.  As for Facebook... do I even have a page?  If I do, it's been quite some time since I looked at it.  I probably ought to go see what's going on with it.  :)  Thanks for the note - great to hear from you!  --Folic Acid 12:08, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

Hi, stranger!
Yeah, thanks for that - I'll read your comments later. John Smith&#39;s 19:02, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Hello yourself! I hope I haven't missed too much.  The war against the forces of Ting really tired me out, so a bit of a wiki-holiday was in order.  Nice to see that there's still activity in our corner of wikiland.  --Folic Acid 19:06, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Well Ting is gone now, thank God! Even if he comes back he'll just be banned again. So our hard work in stopping him was not in vain. John Smith&#39;s 14:27, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

Thanks
Thanks. You give me too much credit. Hong Qi Gong (Talk - Contribs) 02:37, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

Re: Adminship
Hey Folic Acid, I thought about it, but I feel that I'm probably gonna get a lot of opposes because of some, now that I look back, questionable activities and comments. However, If you wanna nominate me, go for it :D. Nat Tang ta 13:44, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Roger that. I'll look into it.  :)  --Folic Acid 13:45, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

Cheers
Well, I shouldn't worry about it. Thanks for your support - you were very gracious. John Smith&#39;s 18:00, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

You sent me a message regarding vandalism to Red Wolf. I haven't ever viewed that page, and there is no one else that could have viewed or edited that page on my IP address. I'm just replying to see if it was a mistake or I am having some sort of security problem. I would strongly dislike being prohibited from editing in the future, so I'm just trying to clear this up and get some sort of confirmation. Thanks —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.213.15.120 (talk) 00:23, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

Wikimania in Atlanta!
Mike H. I did "That's hot" first! 22:38, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks for getting back to me! All you need to do is sign this page and tell us how you can help. Where you are, if you can help online or in person, things like that. Mike H. I did "That's hot" first! 20:24, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

Funny name
Hi there, I was amused to see your username. I'm currently working on folate metabolism! Tim Vickers 23:16, 22 September 2007 (UTC)

my recent act of vandalism
I am sorry but I have never seen the PLUR page of wikipedia before and I haven't vandalized it. There must be a mistake. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.120.71.246 (talk) 18:11, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

Thanks
Thanks for the welcome. I felt I needed a long vacation after the last major incident, glad to see that everything is still running (relatively) smoothly. -Loren 00:59, 7 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Yeah - nothing too big going on. The biggest China-related issue is the proposal to have China actually be the title for People's Republic of China and Taiwan be the title for Republic of China.  You can find those discussions on Talk:China and Wikipedia Talk: Naming conventions (Chinese).  --Folic '_ 'Acid   01:02, 7 October 2007 (UTC)

History of the Republic of China
Hello. Regarding the recent revert you made: You may already know about them, but you might find Template messages/User talk namespace useful. After a revert, these can be placed on the user's talk page to let them know you considered their edit was inappropriate, and also direct new users towards the sandbox. They can also be used to give a stern warning to a vandal when they've been previously warned. --LeyteWolfer 03:32, 9 October 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the support.
Hello Folic Acid,

Thank you very much for coming out in support of my RfA, which was successful. I especially appreciated the part about being an "excellent candidate!" ;)

Anyway, please feel free to contact me if you need help with any actions requiring administrative access. I will do my best to be of assistance to you. Cheers, --Aarktica 01:52, 10 October 2007 (UTC)
 * P.S. Could you please check your signature? It appears that there is a typo in the "Folic" section; it directs to User:Folic acid as opposed to User:Folic Acid. The lower case in "acid" does seem to make a difference. --Aarktica 01:54, 10 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Sure enough! Whoops!  --Folic '_ 'Acid  10:46, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

Hsu Tain-tsair
Hi Folic Acid. I'm wondering if you can check for any grammatical mistakes in the article Hsu Tain-tsair. If not, don't you think it's good enough for it to be a Good Article? Or do I need more sources?-- Jerry 19:25, 9 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Sure - I'd be happy to give it a look. --Folic '_ 'Acid  19:51, 9 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks!-- Jerry 20:56, 9 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Would you like me to make some edits to it, or would you rather do it? There are a couple of minor things that need to be fixed, I think.  --Folic Acid 18:52, 10 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Go ahead and fix the minor things, I think that'll be easier. If you see some major mistakes, feel free to fix them too!-- Jerry 19:06, 10 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Well, I'll fix minor things. I'll bring up anything major (like actual content) on the talk page.  --Folic '_ 'Acid  19:11, 10 October 2007 (UTC)
 * That sounds good to me.-- Jerry 19:59, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

Ok - I've made some smallish edits. What do you think? Also, I'd really like to get Republic of China up to Good Article status. Want to help with that? -- 13:19, 11 October 2007 (UTC)


 * I'll try.-- Jerry 13:29, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

Your sig
Per WP:SIG, signatures should not be transcluded. Either subst, or put the code into Special:Preferences. Dihydrogen Monoxide (H2O) 03:51, 14 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Ah - my mistake. Thanks!  -- Folic  Acid  03:55, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for commenting on my RFA
Thank you for commenting on my RFA, which was withdrawn. Whether you supported or opposed, I thank you for the suggestions for improvement. And please forgive me if my wording was a bit harsh, by oppose I meant opposing Wikipedia. Marlith  T / C  04:25, 14 October 2007 (UTC)
 * [[Image:Peace.gif|200px|thumb|Forgive me if I sounded a bit rude and boorish on the RfA, future discussions will not be like that again.]] Marlith  T / C  03:05, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

Joke
The joke comment was referring to the user, not you. I knew yours was a joke. --Haemo 22:44, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
 * That's what I figured, but you can never be certain with folks around here (as that guy indicates). :)  -- Folic  Acid  02:33, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

RE: AN/I
Thanks for taking care of User:Karnoff. I wanted to give the guy a chance, but he's obviously proved himself a troll. Keep up the good work. --Folic_Acid 14:12, 19 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Sure, no problem. Thanks! El_C 14:15, 19 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Incidentally, what is a Chipoll, anyway? I've mulled it over, and can't figure it out.  --Folic_Acid 14:18, 19 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Many have asked, my answer remains: see it as interpretive dance of chiprotest! El_C 14:20, 19 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Right. Carry on, then!  --Folic_Acid 14:42, 19 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Copy that! El_C 14:49, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

RfA
Dearest Supporter, Thank you for your participation in my RFA, which closed unsuccessfully with 39 supports, 15 oppose, and 1 neutral. I would have liked to gain some experience of being an admin, but it wasn't to be. At least I gained some valuable time there and will use my knowledge picked up to my next candidacy. I would like to say once again, thank you for voting and I hope to see you at my next request be it a nomination or self-induced, I hope I don't get as many questions!

Rudget Contributions 09:21, 25 October 2007 (UTC)

Tojo
Hi, and thanks for the help. Toko (aka Keith Bridgeman) is a long term banned vandal who tries to promote his crappy products on Wikipedia. He suffers from some sort of delusion of genius ("My site [is] infinitely better [than Wikipedia].", "My knowledge of [...] is way beyond yours and all of the other amateurish editors put together", etc.) and a lack of basic social skills ("wanker, pedophile, sex offender, faggot, asshole, looser, lesbian," etc.). Since i have blocked by now probably close to 200 of his sockpuppets in the last 2 years and removed his adverts, he does not like me. Like i care. Details are on WP:TOJO. Thanks for your help. -- Chris 73 | Talk 18:59, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Wow - impressive! I had no idea he even existed.  I have to give the guy credit - I imagine it takes an enormous amount of persistence (or pique) to create over 400 socks.  Anyway, I'm glad to lend a hand.  Cheers --Folic_Acid 19:02, 22 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Heh - thanks Chris. I think it's more amusing than anything.  Funny what people like to waste their time on.  Congratulations on achieving notoriety, Tojo.  I hope it does you some good, somehow.  --Folic_Acid 03:38, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

RfA thank-spam

 * Congrats from me as well! Good luck with the mop and bucket!  :)  Folic_Acid 14:08, 24 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I have a lot to learn, but hope to wear them both proudly. --Kizor 14:23, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

"Frivolous" 3RR?
Ya think? When you popped in on my page, you perhaps should have checked a little further up, including this. -BC aka Callmebc 17:44, 24 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Actually, I kind of liked that - it was clever. :)  Anyway, I didn't call them frivolous, I called them premature, since they haven't actually violated 3RR yet.  It is a revert-war, though, and that's only going to get you and them into trouble.  Since it's a content dispute, I'd recommend an RfC.  Cheers, Folic_Acid 17:48, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

China
Hey I started a new discussion here on the China renaming issue. Could you please give some of your opinions too?-- Jerry 22:17, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

Requests for arbitration/Sadi Carnot
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An Arbitration case in which you commented has been opened: Requests for arbitration/Sadi Carnot. Please add any evidence you may wish the Arbitrators to consider to the evidence sub-page, Requests for arbitration/Sadi Carnot/Evidence. You may also contribute to the case on the workshop sub-page, Requests for arbitration/Sadi Carnot/Workshop.

On behalf of the Arbitration Committee, David Mestel(Talk) 19:19, 29 October 2007 (UTC) David Mestel(Talk) 19:19, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

In Remembrance...
--nat Alo! Salut! Sunt eu, un haiduc?!?! 01:23, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Cheers Nat - I really appreciate it. Folic_Acid 01:25, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

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 * Thanks! I've been toying around with the idea of joining for a while, but wasn't really sure where (or how) I could contribute.  I suppose jumping in with both feet is the best way, so here I am.  Cheers Folic_Acid 17:46, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

RFCU
FYI -- I had earlier initiated an RFCU for Anothersliceofhistory -- so your request is redundant. Thanks. &#8756; Therefore | talk 23:28, 6 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Oh -- and the valid reason for RFCU is code E: 3RR violation using socks which if this is the same user, falls right into it. &#8756; Therefore | talk 23:30, 6 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Yeah - I noticed that you'd created one after I had. But, since it asked for the puppeteer's RFCU (and the other guy is the older account), I figured I'd let it stand.  Folic_Acid 23:33, 6 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Puppet master isn't only defined as the older account. In this case, I took the initial editor to the page. These two (one?) performed their tag teaming also on the Louisiana Family Forum page. In that case, it was successful (for now -- it's on my todo list). And I disagree (respectively, natch) with your choice of Code -- this is clearly an 3RR dodge (if it proves true). Thanks. &#8756; Therefore | talk 23:39, 6 November 2007 (UTC)


 * To be clear, you added yours after mine. &#8756; Therefore | talk 23:40, 6 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Yes, indeed I did, as I said. :)  In any case, I'm sure this will get sorted out.  Folic_Acid 00:29, 7 November 2007 (UTC)
 * EDIT: Actually, it seems I cut myself off in mid-sentence.  What I meant to say previously was "I noticed that you'd created one after I'd already entered mine" - I hadn't checked to see if you'd already started one until I'd already finished entering mine  Doesn't really matter - they'll end up in the same place.  :) Folic_Acid 00:31, 7 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Sorry -- I understand now. Thanks! &#8756; Therefore | talk 01:06, 7 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Not a problem - it was my mistake. Looks like it's been consolidated into yours, so that should be good.  Folic_Acid 01:39, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

Ack, I really do feel I've been too officious, particularly with you. Sometimes my discussions don't sound as friendly as I prefer being. I apologize for that and do realize that you are being helpful. Usually I try to be more patient to the newbies. I just hate edit wars and avoid them whenever possible so that is probably the root cause of my "severity", as it were. Thanks! &#8756; Therefore | talk 01:56, 7 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Bah! Think nothing of it - it's a non-issue.  I've worked in politics long enough to have developed a thick skin, so no harm done.  :) Folic_Acid 02:13, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

Another RfA Spaming
 Thank you for constructive criticism in my recent RFA which did not pass at (18/27/10). I will be sure to improve my editing skills and wait until someone nominates me next time. Thank you for you comments! Tiptoety 00:24, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

OhanaUnited's RfA
<div style="border-style:solid; border-color:blue; background-color:lightgreen; border-width:1px; text-align:left; padding:8px;" class="plainlinks"> Thanks for voting at my RfA. Unfortunately, the result stands at 51 support, 21 oppose and 7 neutral which means that I did not succeed. As many expressed their appreciation of my works in featured portals during my RfA, I will fill up the vacuum position of director in featured portal candidates to maintain the standards of featured contents in addition to my active role in Good articles. Have a great day. <b style="color:#0000FF;">OhanaUnited</b><b style="color:green;">Talk page</b> 04:20, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

Archiving
Thanks for the archiving -- way too tiring to have to edit that monster! Although I quibbled with your rewrite, I would be happy to support it. &#8756; Therefore | talk 20:09, 8 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Yeah - it was getting a little unwieldy. I actually thought about moving the PFF discussion to its own page, but figured that'd be more confusing.  Anyway, quibble away - I'm just trying to help boil the thing down to something we can all live with.  And thanks for keeping a cool head, despite the unpleasantness.  :) Folic_Acid 20:11, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for your patience and help on the David Vitter page
Thanks for your input -- I always appreciate a "saner" voice participating providing some perspective. You helped tremendously to corral the editors (including me, natch) into a more even-handed approach. Thanks! &#8756; Therefore | talk 23:26, 8 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Anytime - always happy to help. :)  Keep up the good work.  Folic_Acid 23:38, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

Your comment
Thanks for sharing your concern with me, FA. I've not edited any articles in order to "promote myself or the interests of any organization." My intentions are completely honorable and forthright. I strive for a NPOV.Araphel 03:44, 9 November 2007 (UTC)
 * I'm glad to hear it. However, I remain concerned that your close association with LFF may color your views, your own intentions notwithstanding. I don't want to prevent you from sharing your own ideas, but rather, wanted to make you aware of this particular guideline. Folic_Acid 04:49, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

Some thankyou spam, glorious spam
Thankyou for supporting my successful rfa which closed with 58 supports. If i am honest i am rather humbled by the unanimous support and i hope to live up to everyones expectations. If you ever need any help, don't hesitate to ask. Thanks again. Woodym555 15:40, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

Vitter RFC redux
Thanks for the kind words and the star, FA. I hope I don't have to go though that again any time soon. O_o When reviewing some of my comments, I could kick myself for getting a bit hot under the collar -- particularly towards you. I had gotten into such a defensive mode that I failed, at first, to discriminate between the less than contributive, collaborative voices and the helpful ones. I too am pleased with the result and wouldn't have gotten there if not for your guidance, corralling Araphel and myself into productive editors. Thanks again. &#8756; Therefore | talk 22:17, 12 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Anytime, my friend, anytime. I gave you the star because while I'll agree you were a bit abrupt at the beginning, I was very impressed that you have the guts to admit it - that's an uncommon and most welcome trait in an editor.  And not only that, you had the patience to work through a difficult piece with some less-than-accomodating single-issue editors. You definitely earned the star. Keep up the good work! Folic_Acid 03:12, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

My (Remember the dot)'s RfA
I never thanked you for participating in my RfA a couple of weeks ago. Thank you for your support, though unfortunately the request was closed as "no consensus". I plan to run again at a later time, and I hope you will support me again then.

Thanks again! —Remember the dot (talk) 06:38, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

re: Sockpuppetry
Thanks a lot! I will add my comments. --PalaceGuard008 (Talk) 22:00, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

Re: China
✅ --nat Alo! Salut! Sunt eu, un haiduc?!?! 14:08, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

And Re:ANI
Thanks! nat Alo! Salut! Sunt eu, un haiduc?!?! 14:24, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
 * You're welcome. Frankly, I'm a little surprised that went on for as long as it did.  Maybe it is a legitimate cultural difference, but given that this is English Wikipedia, I'm guessing we adhere to English/Canadian/American standards, where such things are about as obviously bad as you can get.  Oh well.  Folic_Acid 14:32, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

sockpuppetry #2
Thanks for your support Folic. It's greatly appreciated. What annoys me is that, after looking through his "evidence", I realised that this isn't even a sockpuppet case - even if both of those editors are me, it still wouldn't be sockpuppetry. Grr. --PalaceGuard008 (Talk) 13:07, 15 November 2007 (UTC)


 * (lol - edit conflict on my own talk page? That never happens!)
 * My pleasure. Seems like a no-brainer issue to me.  You're a much more valuable editor than Jacky/Peter/, and frankly, I want to avoid another Sumple incident, even if we are occasionally on the opposite sides of issues.  I much prefer having having reasonable and intelligent editors like you to discuss things with, instead of POV-pushers with an agenda like our friend here (even if he does know some "renowned sinologists.")  :) Folic_Acid 13:16, 15 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Thanks again - the sockpuppet case has been closed. And for the record, I live nowhere near Chatswood. Both of the IPs the sockpuppet brought up were indeed me. I don't think editing once or twice without bothering to log in is a hanging offence. Anyway, just glad this is over. Thanks again! --PalaceGuard008 (Talk) 11:27, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

Thanks!
Howdy Folic Acid, thanks for participating in my request for adminship. I am happy to say it was successful, 55/0/0, and I am looking forward to getting to work. Thanks for your vote of confidence. By all means, feel free to check in on my work to come. Suggestions and advice are always appreciated.

--TeaDrinker 05:12, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

RfA
I considered not spamming talk pages but not saying "thanks" just isn't me. The support was remarkable and appreciated. I only hope that I am able to help a little on here. Please let me know if I can help you or equally if you find any of my actions questionable. Thanks & regards -- Herby talk thyme 12:38, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

Republic of China
Hey, I think the article is probably good enough to become a GA, but the whole China/PRC/ROC issue just totally makes the article unstable. Keep up the good work, though.

I'm wondering if you can give your opinion on the requested move of Premier of the Republic of China to President of the Executive Yuan. My point on this is simple (and I don't know why anyone would oppose the move): We're moving it to the official name, as the result of not being able to move it to the most common name (Premier of Taiwan; NPOV issue). And I should also inform you that the current name is neither the common or the official name. Thanks Folic.-- Jerry 01:00, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

BTW, the discussion takes place here.-- Jerry 01:02, 8 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the feedback! I'll keep plugging away at it, but I'm not sure how or if we'll be able to resolve that issue to everyone's satisfaction.  As for the proposed move, I'll try to get over there tomorrow.  Cheers Folic_Acid 03:02, 8 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Jerry - I left my feedback about the Premier issue (though you probably won't like it). Sorry I couldn't support you on this one.  Folic_Acid 03:47, 12 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Hey Folic, I think you misunderstood my point. I replied to your comment, maybe you'll change your mind :)-- Jerry 20:43, 17 November 2007 (UTC)

Please note the following
Talk:Chiang Kai-shek Memorial Hall

The article will need a re-write and page move next week. John Smith&#39;s (talk) 16:42, 22 November 2007 (UTC)

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Hi Folic. There's a new discussion on the ROC naming issues again at WP:NC-ZH. I hope you will participate in the discussion. Here's the link: Wikipedia_talk:Naming_conventions_%28Chinese%29.-- Jerrch 00:38, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

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Thanks for joining Military Intelligence
Since another of my interests is pharmacology, I'm chuckling about your username, and wondering if methotrexate is to you as Kryptonite is to Superman. Methotrexate is a very useful drug, but it works by suppressing folic acid.

Welcome to the task force! There hasn't been much discussion on the task force itself, but there are comments on articles. Before the task force was formed, there were discussions on the main Project list about what became the hierarchy of articles under intelligence cycle management. There are some miscellaneous intelligence activities, such as financial and medical, which I haven't decided where to place in the hierarchy.

It's been frustrating but rewarding to revise, into a hierarchy of articles not dominated by conspiracy theory, Central Intelligence Agency.

See my userpage for a full list of the intelligence and special operations topics on which I've worked.

Howard C. Berkowitz (talk) 15:05, 25 February 2008 (UTC)
 * It's my pleasure! Intel has long been a pet fascination of mine (as has pharmacology, until I realized that I hate math), so I'm happy to contribute what I can.  I'm sure beating back the tin-hats is a full time job, so I'll do what I can.  --Folic_Acid 16:24, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

The Matrix (no, not the movie. Scary
Howard - I like the look of this! However, if you don't mind a couple of suggestions, I've tweaked your matrix a little. For the most part, I've added DIA as a collector and processor. The ODNI doesn't really do much in the way of processing raw intelligence, while the DIA does. Also, I noticed that there's no mention of collection from the various military branches - was that intentional? -- Folic_Acid | talk 19:01, 7 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Originally, the matrix was just to address a question of Ernx, but there seems to be interest in making it more solid. Let me make several comments, in no special order.


 * ODNI is in some odd roles. I didn't distinguish between analysis and estimates; if I did, the National Intelligence Council is in ODNI and is really the only IC-wide estimates agency. Some of its individual reports are more analysis.


 * Where things get even trickier in ODNI is that the National Open Source Enterprise is there, and does do open source collection, as with the Foreign Broadcast Information Service (which swallowed the DoD Joint Publications Research). Arguably, OSINT goes at least from collection and processing, to some analysis; I've had a couple of contracts to do OSINT-only as a reality check for some all-source analysts at an agency that I was told I had no need to know. I don't know if the former CIA Domestic Contact Service has moved there or is still in NCS.


 * Some of the cross-functional Centers/Executives, like Counterterrorism, Counterintelligence, and Counterproliferation do some processing.


 * Now, the military. In fact, if I expand this significantly, I'll go below the level of the service when they have a major activity for a discipline -- say, Air Force Foreign Technology Division (FTD), which I think has been renamed, for TECHINT. The Air Force also runs a MASINT center, more for education although the MASINT god still is in DIA. Army has the lead medical intelligence function, although there's probably some in the CIA Office of Scientific Intelligence (again an old name), and the NIC has done worldwide disease analysis.


 * I agree NCS has not been promoted. Still, to be comprehensive rather than hierarchical, it's a major component that is at least quasi-independent. How it relates to what was the Special Collection Service, previously Division D, is something I don't know, but I think SCS, a joint CIA-NSA operational activity, needs to be there, and perhaps some of the military collection activities.


 * Still thinking about it all, though. I started a userspace page on it, User:Hcberkowitz/Sandbox-ICmatrix, which doesn't have your tweaks yet.

Howard C. Berkowitz (talk) 19:25, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

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Thanks for your message. Would you please explain in more detail why a more detailed article would cause an even bigger storm?

I thought that would be the neutral way of describing what the term means, instead of constantly getting into arguments whether "Republic of China (Taiwan)" is indeed the Republic of China or it is only past stage of the "4 stages of the ROC".--pyl (talk) 09:55, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

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