User talk:Fowler&fowler/Archive 31

Infobox images discussions
Just over a week ago, you suggested trying to widen the circle of editors commenting on the Benares infobox images discussion. There was an infobox images discussion regarding Hyderabad a few months ago, and our "friend" started a new one. I have posted notices about both the Benares and Hyderabad discussions at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Cities‎ and Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Indian cities‎. -- Toddy1 (talk) 21:38, 19 August 2023 (UTC)


 * Hello I had been mostly away from WP.  Will take a look at those discussions soon.  Thanks for doing this, btw.   Fowler&amp;fowler  «Talk»  02:25, 25 August 2023 (UTC)

Notice of Arbitration Enforcement noticeboard discussion
Hello. This message is being sent to inform you that there is currently a report involving you at Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement regarding a possible violation of an Arbitration Committee decision. The thread is Fowler&fowler. Thank you. Captain Jack Sparrow (talk) 15:24, 24 August 2023 (UTC)


 * I definitely didn't realize the riots article was under 1RR. If you're in the same boat, F&F, could you please self-revert? Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 15:30, 24 August 2023 (UTC)
 * The article banner says it quite clearly while making an edit; I doubt that repeated violations of 1RR by regular editors of the article (arguably the most frequent editor) have been excused prior on claims of ignorance, I doubt they would help now. Captain Jack Sparrow (talk) 15:35, 24 August 2023 (UTC)
 * I did self-revert. There is no warning when you rollback AGF.  Fowler&amp;fowler  «Talk»  01:39, 25 August 2023 (UTC)
 * You actually didn't self-revert, instead, you re-did the reversion that breached the restriction. You should self-revert your most recent edit. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 01:41, 25 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you. Have done so now.  Fowler&amp;fowler  «Talk»  01:55, 25 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Of my 210 edits in the article, only 29 have been made since 17 April 2020 when the lead took its present form. Of these 22 were reverts made during the last 18 months, in which no warning appears about 1RR.  The remaining nine had been made earlier.  I was honestly unaware that a 1RR restriction was in place.  Fowler&amp;fowler  «Talk»  02:00, 25 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you, Firefangledfeathers for catching it. Padurina (talk) 22:33, 25 August 2023 (UTC)

Smiles

 * I just noticed your very pastel signature. I think there might be some guidelines in place about signatures being readable by the sight impaired, e.g. the color blind,  that you might want to honor.   I don't know know what they are but I'm pinging a very knowledgeable admin who would surely know.   Fowler&amp;fowler  «Talk»  02:23, 25 August 2023 (UTC)
 * See the policy WP:SIGAPP: . I also am unable to read the signature as is. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 02:30, 25 August 2023 (UTC)
 * ok Z!t!@n «T@1k»  21:57, 25 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Have done! I insist on the talk page though Z!t!@n «T@1k»  22:00, 25 August 2023 (UTC)
 * UNLESS you also insist Z!t!@n «T@1k»  22:00, 25 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Very good! It is not for me to insist, but for us to be considerate to the viewing comfort of everyone.  It doesn't matter to me, but it probably does to those who have visual impairment.  Use your best judgment.  Fowler&amp;fowler  «Talk»  22:09, 25 August 2023 (UTC)
 * One way would be to switch the lime green and red (i.e. red on lime green) in the talk page version. Fowler&amp;fowler  «Talk»  22:14, 25 August 2023 (UTC)
 * T_T It's supposed to be cyan... Z!t!@n «T@1k»  23:41, 25 August 2023 (UTC)

I am now. :) Thanks for the message. Fowler&amp;fowler  «Talk»  21:45, 15 August 2023 (UTC)

Just FYI
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Edit on Kurmi
Though technically no policy bar us to use Naipul as source, just for establishing caste of a person (Naipul quotes from the autobiography of Jagan itself), i can understand your feelings associated with this page. You have created that article and i know its difficult for us to see our articles getting deteriorated. So, cheers, I won't add anything anymore. One thing, i have gone through some of your articles and i appreciate the way you have created them. I want to know, do you have British era images of other caste groups, like you have added on Kurmi and Jat. Admantine123 (talk) 15:33, 6 September 2023 (UTC)


 * Thank you. The ethnology pictures are not mine, i.e. not privately owned by me.  They were taken from old books, available on the web.
 * I also enjoyed writing V. S. Naipaul. Section 1.6 makes a reference to that trip during which he met Jagan.  I read Middle Passage then.  Fowler&amp;fowler  «Talk»  18:53, 6 September 2023 (UTC)

Indian mathematics
The article indian mathematics was constantly vandalised by users by adding false information. User narayan ventakeshwar iyenger and Arjun Kumar Singh is constantly adding that unsourced reference that you have removed.It is doubt that they were of the same user. Leveinhockerkerala (talk) 10:41, 11 September 2023 (UTC)

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Jagged 85
jagged 85 edits are still present in many Wikipedia articles like nilkantha somyaji and Tantrasamgraha. Leveinhockerkerala (talk) 09:56, 14 September 2023 (UTC)


 * Thanks. I'll take a look at some of them.  Fowler&amp;fowler  «Talk»  11:00, 14 September 2023 (UTC)

It's time for Pakistan!
Hello Fowler&Fowler, I'm passionate about improving South Asian articles. Your contributions, especially with India, have impressed me. The article on Pakistan seems to be a mess - do you want to take a stab at it? Your expertise would be invaluable. Please let me know if you're interested. Best regards, Wrythemann (talk) 18:42, 19 September 2023 (UTC)


 * Hello. Thanks for posting.  As the top of my user page says, I have some other projects that I need to move to the front burner.
 * Wiki Project Pakistan editors have asked me the same question over the years (probably because I wrote History of Pakistan long ago and some pages on IVC- and neolithic sites in Pakistan), but, sadly, I'm flat out of time now.
 * Thanks again. Fowler&amp;fowler  «Talk»  00:03, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

General formatting
Hey, I'm sorry for the inadequate summary. I was using a user script called Auto Formatter for MOS formatting and the automated summary was "General formatting" piped to MOS. That caused the confusion. It was all just blank space deletions, ref name fixing and general trims. Just standard MOS beautification. Should've mentioned it in the summary. Thanks. The Herald (Benison) (talk) 17:17, 25 September 2023 (UTC)


 * Please leave a note on the various talk pages. I'm worried that in at least one, you've taken away the credit given to the primary author of a chapter in an edited book and distributed it among the editors.  I might be incorrect in that suspicioun, but please explain that bit on the talk pages. Thanks.  Fowler&amp;fowler  «Talk»  17:51, 25 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Must be a glitch with the script. Even ProveIt makes that sometimes, and I cross checks it wverytime. No probs. I'll go through them all. Thanks. The Herald (Benison) (talk) 17:54, 25 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Fowler&amp;fowler  «Talk»  20:06, 25 September 2023 (UTC)

Bhagat Singh
Have a look at these changes by an obvious caste POV pusher. Thanks. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 17:33, 25 September 2023 (UTC)


 * Thank you for helping out! Have taken care of it as best I could.  Fowler&amp;fowler  «Talk»  20:06, 25 September 2023 (UTC)

Brahmi
Will you also remove all the fringe studies by kak and others claiming indigenous origin as well? As none of those are mentioned in the "introductory texts" from the 90s either? Should there not be some consistency to what is removed or not? Metta79 (talk) 15:16, 3 October 2023 (UTC)


 * Please take to the article's talk page and tell us what you have been attempting to do. Please do so systematically.  The WP:ONUS as I explained is yours.  It is WP policy.  Such major revisions simply cannot be made in longstanding articles in run throughs with casual edit summaries.  Fowler&amp;fowler  «Talk»  15:19, 3 October 2023 (UTC)
 * i did take it to the talk page. Metta79 (talk) 16:17, 3 October 2023 (UTC)

About the pronounciation of Jawaharlal Nehru
I admit I was wrong too since the guideline says ISO 15919 and not IAST, but I was only wrong on one alphabet. So the correct transliteration would be neither of ours; it would be Javāharalāla Nēharū (note the ē).

The reason behind the Indic scripts by Wikipedia's guidelines is not because of the language of origin, but rather the country. The guideline is only for Indian names to avoid bias towards any script, and not due to technical reasons (for example, Nepali names are written in Devanagari and Bangladeshi names in Bengali because they are the only official scripts of their countries). So it doesn't matter whether Nehar is from an Arabic, Persian or Urdu origin. Jawaharlal Nehru was an Indian so it's gonna follow the guideline nonetheless. I don't make the rules, it is just how it is. You could have both if you want, as long as it doesn't look complicated.

PS. You asked why Noam Chomsky or Azerbaijan can have respell but Jawaharlal Nehru can't. I looked up both and found no respell on either of their articles. Not related to the topic, just putting that out. Pur 0 0 (talk) 14:48, 4 October 2023 (UTC)

Hello
Why were my edits on Subhas Chandra Bose undone? Firekong1 (talk) 14:36, 6 October 2023 (UTC)


 * Please open a thread on the article's talk page please. Fowler&amp;fowler  «Talk»  17:18, 6 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Of course. The thread is here:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Subhas_Chandra_Bose#Category Firekong1 (talk) 00:29, 7 October 2023 (UTC)

Dominion of India discussion
Hi, just wanted to let you know that I'm learning a lot from the ongoing "debate" and the sources you're providing. Thanks. Mr Serjeant Buzfuz (talk) 15:43, 10 October 2023 (UTC)


 * Thank you for the kind words. I try. Fowler&amp;fowler  «Talk»  10:30, 11 October 2023 (UTC)

Chandra Bose
You apparently couldn't see what is grammatically wrong with "he along with Maghfoor Ahmad Ajazi and other leaders were arrested and put behind bars". "He" is the subject of the sentence; "he" is singular. The verb must match the subject. If you leave the sentence as it is, you have to change "were" to "was". Alternatively, you change the wording to make "He, Maghfoor Ahmad Ajazi and other leaders" the subject of the sentence. So I'll be re-doing the correction I just made. Deb (talk) 14:02, 11 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Sorry Deb, but you are wrong in this instance. "He" is not the subject.  The actual subject of the verb is "he along with Maghfoor Ahmad Ajazi and other leaders" so a plural verb is required.  Try asking "who or what were arrested" and you'll see that it must be Bose, Ajazi and others.  There's also another problem; phrasing it as "he, Maghfoor Ahmad Ajazi, and other leaders" is at best ambiguous.  It would appear to be a parenthetical phrase: "he (Maghfoor Ahmad Ajazi) and other leaders" which is wrong, "he" is Bose not Ajazi.  I'm sorry, but I shall be correcting the error back to the original. Martin of Sheffield (talk) 14:30, 11 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Martin of Sheffield - but I have already fixed the problem - and uncovered a more serious problem (that the source only supports that Ajazi was arrested on the march). -- Toddy1 (talk) 14:35, 11 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Yes, I saw when I tried to rollback Deb's changes. You were working on the article whilst I was working on the talk page.  The article is clearer now. Martin of Sheffield (talk) 14:42, 11 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks all and apologies to all!
 * I made that first edit on my phone soon after waking up this morning. In other words, I was still semi-comatose.
 * As for the article, unfortunately, I had got only as far as the previous paragraph. I can tell by the sources used.  (I did add the Nirad Chaudhuri quote, though, his satirical skills in full form. Unfortunately, that sort of Standard Indian English is hard to find in Indian writing any more.  As I've said before, Sidney Greenbaum had once expressed the hope that Indian English might become a regional variety, if not in the manner of Canadian and Australian English, at least in that of Caribbean English&mdash;hopefully codified in grammars and dictionaries.  Unfortunately, the internet killed that idea.)  Fowler&amp;fowler  «Talk»  18:43, 11 October 2023 (UTC)
 * PS The paragraph also says that Bose became the CEO of the Calcutta Municipal Corporation in 1924. I had always thought CEO was an Americanism. But the OED places its birth in Australia:
 * "Chief executive officer, the highest-ranking executive of a corporation or other institution. 1914: Of course I am the chief executive officer but I only execute by instructions... ‘Then all our beautiful shrubs are to be spoilt,’ sobbed the telephoner. ‘Not at all, my dear young lady,’ the C.E.O.'s voice was tear laden too. Independent (Footscray, Australia) 7 November"
 * It would be interesting to know if it had really made it to India by 1924. Fowler&amp;fowler  «Talk»  19:01, 11 October 2023 (UTC)

Bhaskara ii
There are major problems in Bhaskaracharya article.


 * The sub section of calculus in the section of mathematics is given as

In computing the instantaneous motion of a planet, the time interval between successive positions of the planets was no greater than a truti, or a 1⁄33750 of a second, and his measure of velocity was expressed in this infinitesimal unit of time.

But no reference is given to support it.

He also showed that when a planet is at its farthest from the earth, or at its closest, the equation of the centre (measure of how far a planet is from the position in which it is predicted to be, by assuming it is to move uniformly) vanishes. He therefore concluded that for some intermediate position the differential of the equation of the centre is equal to zero
 * In that same sub section it is given as

With no reference to support it. Myuoh kaka roi (talk) 13:36, 12 October 2023 (UTC)

I don't think your reversion of my edits was justified.
" 09:20, 20 October 2023‎ Fowler&fowler talk contribs‎ 287,227 bytes −29‎   Restored revision 1180953964 by Codegeass123 (talk): Polar opposite: You are not the first one who has attempted to play Gotcha with the lead sentences in vital WP articles.  Take your concerns to talk.  Please also read WP:Lead fixation updated since your last visit undothank Tags: Twinkle Undo"

As requested, I am bringing my concerns to your talk page.

Would you mind explaining what I did wrong? I do not understand what you mean by "attempted to play Gotcha". I read WP:Lead fixation, but I do not see how it is relevant to your reversion of my edit. Could you explain how it is relevant? Polar Apposite (talk) 14:24, 20 October 2023 (UTC)


 * I didn't mean my talk page. I meant the article's talk page.  Explain there why your edit is needed.  That's all.  The WP:ONUS is yours, not mine.  Fowler&amp;fowler  «Talk»  14:45, 20 October 2023 (UTC)

British possessions
Took a turn at it. Mr Serjeant Buzfuz (talk) 21:34, 21 October 2023 (UTC)


 * Yes, I saw. Will post something soon.  Fowler&amp;fowler  «Talk»  21:53, 21 October 2023 (UTC)

Question re:Kashmir map version issues
Hi! So while reviewing my watchlist I noticed a discussion from July at Talk:Gilgit-Baltistan about a map issue on Commons.

So I was curious and was wondering the issue ever raised with the offending user in an effective manner?

I see that the user maintains a centralized talk at Wiktionary. Looking through the diffs of that time period I see nothing related (with the exception of an uncivil message by someone else that appears to be about a general warning about behavior on Wiktionary itself).

Cheers, RadioactiveBoulevardier (talk) 09:06, 22 October 2023 (UTC)


 * Luckily, the high-res map File:Kashmir region. LOC 2003626427 - showing sub-regions administered by different countries.jpg has not been fiddled with. But we all have to keep our eyes peeled, as the map appears in many more Kashmir-related pages (e.g. districts and district capitals) than the previous lower-res version did.
 * So, editing that map, while keeping the file's name the same, could do much more damage, encyclopedically.
 * I don't know if I've answered your question, but that is where things stand. Fowler&amp;fowler  «Talk»  09:24, 22 October 2023 (UTC)

Company rule
Should the flag and coat of arms of East India Company be used in the infobox of the article Company Raj? Lamba Chaura (talk) 14:19, 1 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Thank you. Will fix.  Fowler&amp;fowler  «Talk»  16:37, 1 November 2023 (UTC)
 * The flags and other bells and whistles of info box upliftment have been removed. Fowler&amp;fowler  «Talk»  12:22, 4 November 2023 (UTC)

Please have a look at
Please have a look at Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/DaDeadzombie. You will remember them from Talk:Varanasi -- Toddy1 (talk) 09:56, 4 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Thanks. I have just woken up.  I need some caffeine in my blood and brain before I can think.  The beans have been ground and the concoction is dripping in the coffeemaker. I will take a look when I'm restored.
 * I'm not surprised. He/she/they were an easy one, but there are others who engage in WP:Civil POV pushing, share their diffs with each other, and obfuscate beyond belief.  Fowler&amp;fowler  «Talk»  12:06, 4 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Have a look at these changes. Use of 'Kashmir (XYZ-administered)' is cluttering the lead in my opinion. Secondly, do we need all these in the lead sentence? Regards. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 10:34, 14 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Yeah. That page is a content fork, maybe even a POV-fork.  It should be AFD'd in my view, but it won't happen now. It has been around for too long.  Fowler&amp;fowler  «Talk»  02:14, 15 November 2023 (UTC)
 * The Kram (surnames) section, for example, is OR. The entire section should be removed. It seems to be full of Kashmiri Pandit POV, bordering on fantasy.  Fowler&amp;fowler  «Talk»  02:26, 15 November 2023 (UTC)

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Need your help
Hi there, Can you please reply here, Need your assistance!. 2400:ADC1:477:8500:C07:E7EE:3D56:FA35 (talk) 17:42, 1 December 2023 (UTC)

Thank you
Hey there just dropped by to express my thanks for all the hard work you have put in for over a decade into the South Asian topic area you have been the only editor (seriously you are the only one) who has tried to keep a semblance of neutrality in an ocean of pro Indian and Hindutva propagandists its hard and many do not even bother as they dont want the harassment and stress when fighting over a billion brainwashed keyboard warriors from India but you stuck it out and made some great changes and contributions on various articles this new saga of Indians trying to turn every war into a victory (Indo-Pak 1947 war point in case) for India will never end they are just too many of them and they coordinate behind the scenes with edits using multiple accounts and editors backing each other everyone admin/editor knows this but again they dont want to entangle themselves in the toxic Hindu nationalist cyber wars which are so common now on Wikipedia.

You stated Wikipedia has become a joke its far worse than that its misinformation hotspot now and when it finally does lose its remaining credibility and is thrown into the garbage where it belongs you are one of the few editors that can hold there head up high and say they you used it not for propaganda or historical revisionism but for good. I wish you all the best Fowler Wikipedia does not deserve you let it rot and fester as a propaganda tool for these low lifes of the BJP/Hindutva gang take care farewell. Mrdabalina (talk) 19:48, 4 December 2023 (UTC)

Indo-Pakistani War of 1947
Hi there. I understand that you edited the Indo-Pakistani War of 1947–1948 page to restate a UN-mandated ceasefire but then undid such to show an "inkling of Indian-nationalist bias", and I understand your frustration. However, despite the mass bias shown across this encyclopedia, its best you undo this self-reversion and restore it to the scholarly consensus. Thanks. MrGreen1163 (talk) 23:12, 4 December 2023 (UTC)


 * If the page gets reverted again, it will come to that for others to deal and you won't need to worry about it, and that will shown the "inkling" of bias as you stated beforehand, however undoing your self-reversion will at least maintain the scholarly consensus for the time being. Thanks. MrGreen1163 (talk) 23:14, 4 December 2023 (UTC)

FAQ on Talk:British Raj
After seeing your trials and tribulation of resolving the "flag issue" that has been going on for years, I thought it was time to create an FAQ section to end the nonsense. But can I copy what you said for my draft: Briefly, the Raj was an empire a loose-knit federation of areas that were administered by the British (called British India) and over 500 princely states which flew their own flags, and which were at best only indirectly ruled. The 🏎 Corvette 🏍 ZR1(The Garage) 01:33, 9 December 2023 (UTC)


 * Pinging @Fowler&fowler The 🏎 Corvette 🏍 ZR1(The Garage)</b> 01:35, 9 December 2023 (UTC)

Balakot air strike
wanted an opinion here a Indian user has come with the Indian express newspaper as a legitimate source to remove long standing lead section regarding Indias false claims on shooting down an f-16 non consensus at all and the reasoning as expected is just as weak based on conspiracy theories. Mrdabalina (talk) 10:38, 10 December 2023 (UTC)

Kashmiris
Hi, is it necessary to use the phrase 'XYZ-administered' in the infobox like this? Looks cluttered in my opinion. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 16:52, 16 December 2023 (UTC)

Season's Greetings

 * Thank you, Johnbod, and the same to you. A beautiful card it is. Fowler&amp;fowler  «Talk»  03:45, 24 December 2023 (UTC)

Moved some files to Commons
Hi! I have moved some of your great files to Commons:
 * File:DurraniEmpire1793shepherd.jpg
 * File:India british expansion 1805a.jpg
 * File:Pope1880BengalPres2.jpg
 * File:Pope1880BombayPres2.jpg
 * File:Pope1880BritishIndia1.jpg
 * File:Pope1880MadrasPres2.jpg
 * File:Pope1880NorthWesternProv2.jpg
 * File:Pope1880Oudh2.jpg
 * File:Pope1880Rajputana2.jpg

Some of them was moved to Commons earlier with a bad license. So I transferred them again so now they should have a good license. If you agree you can remove the Keep local.

I think all the maps from 1909 Imperial Gazetteer of India are good to move too (per c:Category:The Imperial Gazetteer of India). --MGA73 (talk) 16:47, 11 January 2024 (UTC)

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File:KashmirPundit1895BritishLibrary.jpg
Hi! Why do you think that this photo should not be copied to Commons? As far as I can tell it is PD in India and in the US.

I do not know if you saw (User_talk:Fowler%26fowler/Archive_31) but I moved some photos to Commons before. --MGA73 (talk) 18:51, 2 March 2024 (UTC)

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Christ University
Hello there. seems to be adding content that reads like a news article. I had reverted, but they seem to keep reverting back the content rather than addressing the issue. I am not very active, so please intervene on this issue. &mdash;  LeoFrank  Talk 15:17, 24 March 2024 (UTC)
 * You are both in violation of WP:3RR. Please stop at once and discuss the issue before an admin spots it and takes action.  See your talk pages. Martin of Sheffield (talk) 15:28, 24 March 2024 (UTC)

Happy Easter
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Exporting a map of India to Wikimedia Commons
Hey, Can I export a part of this map of India to Wikimedia Commons? I'm writing an article on the history of Rohilkhand, and couldn't find any other map showing Rohilkhand along with Oudh state and other neighbor states in clear detail. SO I plan to crop it in part and upload to WikiMedia Commons.

It will be great if you can grant me the permission to do so. Ashishb04 (talk) 16:22, 1 April 2024 (UTC)

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SH Prater
Hello, I noticed your changes to the information I provided on Stanley Henry Prater - sorry I am not very familiar with how wiki works.

Stanley was my grandfather, his youngest daughter Gwynneth is my mother. I have gained most of my information from my mother and grandmother and various documents they have passed to me. I am pretty positive about Stanley's heritage from the DNA of both myself and my mother. Happy to pass on any information required AlisonBPS (talk) 18:10, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

Precious anniversary
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