User talk:Gillis

My talk page. I'll most likely reply back to your talk page.

Even though you are proficient in some language in my babelbox other than English I would prefer to have my messages here in English (eg. ei suomea och ingen svenska tack). Messages in other languages are okay in case you are not able to speak English.

Don't be shy!

//Gillis

Swedish wikipedia
Is this where you found Jansson's Temptation source? Can you find out who Lindstrom is in "Biff(Beef) à la Lindstrom?" I would be most grateful if you could. It's been driving me mad for months. --Mothperson 6 July 2005 14:28 (UTC)

Thank you!!! I will phrase it as a possibility, not a sure thing, but this is the very first information I've heard at all. I'm half-Swedish, but I can only read about a dozen words. I had to get the dictionary out to spell this next, and I can't find the a with a circle over it, but tack sa mycket. --Mothperson 6 July 2005 23:00 (UTC)

That mazarin/massillon thing has bothered me for some time, which is why I haven't added it yet. I have Larousse Gastronomique here, and they don't seem to make a connection with mazarin, although massillon is a definite. I should recheck this. They are different pastries in France. I wsn't sure if mazarin didn't have some connection to marzipan. --Mothperson 6 July 2005 23:09 (UTC)

ok

Martti Ahtisaari
I knew it took a Finnish speaker to get my bad joke. &mdash; J I P | Talk 16:42, 14 August 2005 (UTC)

Pakkoruotsi
I can't but agree, you have a point. I was unaware of the actual article about mandatory Swedish so thanks for correcting. Jdm

re: Pakkoruotsi
Yeah, I know it's a derogatory term, but in my opinion it makes sense to redirect it to Mandatory Swedish. It's certainly better than the way it was before, with separate articles on 'pakkoruotsi' and 'mandatory Swedish'. Besides, as I'm sure you know, 'pakkoruotsi' means 'mandatory Swedish'. :)

Now, I would actually have no problem with there being a redirect from nigger to black (race) if there already wasn't an article on nigger. It's a sort of synonym, so it's acceptable in my opinion (just as long as the implications of the alternative term are thoroughly explained in the article itself).

Now, I guess I would actually prefer having the mandatory Swedish article located at toinen kotimainen kieli or Swedish language teaching in Finland or somesuch, but I think those would sound a bit awkward as article titles. - ulayiti (talk)  22:57, 6 November 2005 (UTC)

Notable natives in Helsinki
I have to object to your reorganisation of the notable natives in Helsinki. They were previously organised alphabetically. You seem to have organised them by notability, which is more subjective and thus less appropriate for Wikipedia, and also more confusing, as the order is less apparent to the casual reader. &mdash; J I P  | Talk 22:02, 28 November 2005 (UTC)

helsinki climate
hi! thanks! yes, data treatment comes from my own work... although raw values come from a public service. i had to make a choice on what variables. i could use ºF for temperature as i could also use inches for rain. but not both. for example, one of the aims of this image is to understand how much "wet" a month can be in helsinki adjusting both yy scales according to a thorntwaite law. it is possible to make the same thing with inches and ºF... but a new graph should be made.

Hello!
Hello Gillis! You and I seem to be to the Helsinki article what User:Ulayiti is to the Turku article. We owe it to Helsinki to keep the article improved. Judging by your Babel boxes, you seem to be Finland-Swedish. I guess many people in the capital area are. Have you read Featured article candidates/Helsinki/archive1? J I P | Talk 19:38, 24 January 2006 (UTC)

Image:Helsinki climate.png
Hi, just a quick note about the graph... "downfall" isn't the right word, it should be precipitation.

Also, 10 degrees Celsius is 50 degrees Fahrenheit, not 51. -- ran (talk) 05:59, 15 February 2006 (UTC)
 * whops sorry, corrected this little hastly made image modification.

Translation
Hi, I found your talk page through using the Babel box. I'm just curious - someone edited my user page with the edit summary "Sienestys kannattaa", and as near as I can figure out, it seems to be Finnish. If it is, any chance I could get you to translate it for me? - dharm a bum 22:24, 9 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Thanks! Yeah, I have no idea what he was implying... but my curiousity is sated. If you're curious about the guy (or guys, it's a school IP) yourself, it's 213.214.155.64, and there's quite a bit of inventive vandalism on the talk page, including a long Finnish rant. Thanks again! - dharm a bum 23:45, 9 March 2006 (UTC)

TKK
Kumosit näemmä muokkaukseni Otaniemeläisistä. Vandalismia se ei ollut: teekkarijäynän käsite on Suomessa varsin tunnettu, ja jäynäkulttuuri ymmärtääkseni on vahvimmillaan TKK:ssa... toki opiskelen itse Turussa, omakätistä kokemusta ei ole. Mikäli Paavo Nurmen patsas Wasa-laivalla tuntuu uskomattomalta, se löytyy googlauksella.

Helsinki mistake
Oops - you're right it was a mistake, in fact a bug caused by Google Toolbar. I try and watch out for it but occasionally one slips through! Thanks — sjorford++ 12:37, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

Why do you keep reverting Michael Thomas/ Blacwatch page. I know the guy personally and these claims are all true. Why do you change them???????

5.5 % speak Swedish in Finland
Hello, here you asked for a source for the fact that Swedish speakers are only 5.5 % of Finlands population, here is an official, Statistics Finland's, source for that: http://www.stat.fi/tup/suoluk/suoluk_vaesto_en.html (Population structure -> Language -> 2005) So please do not claim that the number is 6 %: it simply is not true and is considered vandalism now that I have proven the correct number. In fact, it has been under 6 % for over 15 years. --Jaakko Sivonen 14:53, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

Mandatory Swedish & Students opinions
Siitä tekemästäni kahden kappaleen yhdistämisestä. Siinä tuli hieman uutta tietoa, ja nähdäkseni se paransi osion alkua. Tutkimuksen viittaava alkuvirke toi heti kattavasti ja tiiviisti selville opiskelijoiden positiiviset ja negatiiviset näkemykset ruotsiin ja sen opiskeluun, ja loppukappale oli perehdyttämistä syihin.

Lisäsin myös opiskelijoiden mielipiteisiin sen yksinkertaisen tiedon, joka oli lähdetutkimuksessakin, että opiskelijat eivät pitäneet ruotsin opiskelusta.

"Pupils’ attitude to the Swedish language was quite positive. By contrast, their attitude towards the study of Swedish was ambivalent: the study of Swedish was perceived as important in view of the future, continued studies and the working life but it was not liked."

Mielestäni opiskelijoiden mielipiteistä kerrottaessa on varsin aiheellista kertoa, että opiskelijat eivät pitäneet ruotsin opiskelusta. Maininta, että pakollisuus vähentää motivaatiota ei ole sisällöltään sama, sillä motivaation puute ei ole sama asia kuin ettei pidä opiskelusta. En siis näe syytä, miksi tuohon tutkimukseen viitatessa pitäisi jättää mainitsematta, etteivät opiskelijat pidä ruotsin opiskelusta, kun artikkelin kyseisen osion titteli kuitenkin on "student's opinions".

Lisäksi sanamuoto "part of education" ei nähdäkseni ole sisällöltään/sävyltään täysin sama, mitä tutkimuksessa ilmaistiin opiskelijoiden ajattelevan. Opiskelijat pitivät ruotsin opiskelua tärkeänä (mikä on melko yleisellä tasolla sanottu), mutta viittaaminen ruotsin pitämiseen "tärkeänä osana koulutusta" saattaa antaa kuvan, että opiskelijoiden mielestä ruotsin kuuluu olla (pakollinen) osa koulutusta. Opiskelijathan eivät kommentoineet tuolla ruotsin paikkaa opiskelussa, vaan yleisesti sen opiskelun tärkeyttä. Vrt. "[students] find German as a importat language to study" ja "[students] find German as an important part of education". Siinä missä ensimmäinen vaihtoehto kertoo opiskelijoiden asennoitumisesta saksan opiskeluun, kertoo toinen vaihtoehto opiskelijoiden asennoitumisesta saksan osuuten koulutuksesta. En näe syytä, miksei voisi kirjoittaa "[students] find Swedish as an importat language to study". Sisältö ja sävy ovat nähdäkseni lähempänä tutkimuksessa ollutta, eikä ilmaisu ole niin epämääräinen ja tulkinnanvarainen.

Nähdäkseni myös on tärkeää mainita millainen Suomen ylioppilaskirjoitussysteemi on, sillä se tosiaan vaikuttaa suuresti siihen, kuinka moni valitsee kirjoitettavaksi ruotsin kielen. Vapaaehtoisuuden aste ei ole verrattattavissa esimerkiksi ranskan kirjoittamiseen, sillä ranska ei ole niiden neljän kokeen joukossa, joista kolme täytyy tehdä. Siten 88 prosentin kirjoittajamäärää ei voi pitää pelkästään opiskelijoiden kiinnostuksen tai mielipiteen mittarina, kuten sitä nyt tunnutaan käyttävän. Jos opiskelija pitää englannista ja reaalista, muttei matematiikasta eikä ruotsista, on opiskelijan valittava silti joko matematiikka tai ruotsi kirjoitettavaksi. Se, valitseeko hän matematiikan tai ruotsin ei kuitenkaan tarkoita, että hän pitää matematiikasta tai ruotsista. Opiskelijan on vain pakko valita kahdesta pahasta pienempi.

Meille se voi olla selkeää, mutta asiaan perehtymättömille ulkomaisille (ja jopa vanhemmille suomalaisille) se voi olla vierasta. Koska asia on monimutkainen, ei mielestäni voi jättää sitä selittämättä syyllä "too much information". Monimutkainen asia vaatii vähän pidemmän selityksen, eikä selitystä voi tiivistää siihen pisteeseen asti, että se antaa väärän kuvan vapaaehtoisuudesta ja opiskelijoiden kiinnostuksesta, kuten se nyt tekee. Olisin siis utelias kuulemaan muitakin perusteita kuin "too much information", että miksei ruotsin opetusta käsittelevässä artikkelissa saisi mainita ylioppilaskirjoitussysteemiä? Pistinhän siihen kohtaan artikkelia vielä linkin Suomen yo-kirjoitussysteemiä syvemmin selventävään artikkeliin.

Ja silmiini sanamuoto "experiment" ruotsin vapaaehtoisuudesta tässä yhteydessä on hieman outo, kun ohessa ei kerrota selkeästi mitä itse asiassa siinä vapaaehtoisuudessa testattiin. (Oppilaiden tuloksen paranemista? Oppilaiden osallistumismäärää? Kirjoitusten organisointia? Asenteiden muuttamista?). Lisäki nykyisellään sanamuoto vaikuttaa siltä, että testi tehtiin pysyväksi, ei että vapaaehtoisuus tehtiin pysyväksi (sillä kyseisen virkken subjekti on "experiment"). Virke siis vaikuttaa siltä, että vapaaehtoisuudella testattiin jotain, mitä ei kerrota, ja se testi tehtiin pysyväksi, testi siis jatkuu edelleen.

Mielestäni olisi vain selkeämpää mainita, että suomalainen yo-kirjoitussysteemi uudistettiin ja kertoa miten se vaikutti ruotsin asemaan sekä opiskelijoiden osallistumiseen.

Noin yleisesti ottaen artikkeli kaipaa selkeämpää jaottelua. Nähdäkseni esimerkiksi ruotsin asema yo-kirjoituksissa tulisi selittää artikkelin alussa samassa yhteydessä kuin ruotsin asema muussa koulutuksessa, ei siis opiskelijoiden mielipiteiden yhteydessä.Shubi 12:28, 12 August 2006 (UTC)


 * I replied on my talk page, where I will reply in the future too.Shubi 11:31, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

"Yes up until the 70´s the Suomalaisuuden liitto was a respectable discussion organisation, but then the leadership changed into a few radical leaders."


 * Urho Kekkonen also was a radical leader at the time. And apparently you do know something about Suomalaisuuden liitto. My key question is, do you have any reason why the article should not include their views?

"I've read their oppinions and those of their chairman Tala, and i clearly get the feeling teh famous statement by the organisation was no misstake, far from it."


 * Yes, you got a feeling. You interpret. We cannot go around making arguments based on our "clear feelings".

"I have also heard of journalists who have recieved actual threats after critisizing the organization in public."


 * I'd like to hear more of this, if you have reference.

"I am familiar with Goodwins law, and it is about unfair comparisons to nazi germany(not neo-nazism)."


 * No, it's about comparsions to Nazis and Hitler in general, and does not state that such a comparsion is always invalid.

"This one just isn't unfair when someone (however you feel like explaining it) clearly physically threathens a minority in a country, that's fascims by definition to me."


 * Somehow minister of justice did not perceive it as a "clear physical threathening". And you should read the article about fascism. It is much more than just "threatening of a minority". Also, the statemant by the President of Suomalaisuuden liitto concerned oppressors, not Finland-Swedes in general. If you want to intepret all Finland-Swedes as oppressors, perhaps it tells something about you. (And I might add that the supposed Bishop Henry that Lalli is claimed to have slain was English, not Swedish.)


 * Threatening a minority does not alone make someone fascist. Being a fascist does not alone make someone a neo-nazi. So it's a long step to accuse the organisation of being neo-nazi.

Shubi 22:20, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

Finnish monarchs
well, the name of that article says "Finnish", not any sort of "Finlandic". Finnish nzmes would suffice. I will oppose any cluttering. We may rather take Finnish names< away and refer to biography articles of those rukers, where their names surely will be presented in all relevant languages. Or leave just the Finnish name versions to the list as additional information. I am not so "politically correct" as to require all Swedish translations to articles of ENGLISH Wikipedia, at cost of cluttering them hopelessly. Finlandais 22:12, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

3RR warning
Please mind the 3RR on article about Martti Ahtisaari. Please note that it is against wikipedia rules to revert article more than 3 times in any 24 h period. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 137.205.132.197 (talk) 23:14, 8 February 2007 (UTC).
 * I am aware of the three reverts rule, clearly you aren't, as it does not apply to unsourced vandalism toliving person's biography pages. As i have provided several sources for proof about the fact that the reverted nazi allegiations are fake it just is simple vandalism. Gillis 23:45, 8 February 2007 (UTC)


 * Sorry, but you obviously dont understand that sourced material cannot be removed like that, and it certainly is not vandalism. It is clearly against policy of wikipedia to assume that reverting according to your own, biased (and possibly racist) views does not count. Sources were provided, and they are as good as any you have provided. It is also against wikipedia policies to mark edits that you dislike as "vandalism" - such insults are blatant personal attacks.

Please see Wikipedia's no personal attacks policy. Comment on content, not on contributors. Personal attacks damage the community and deter users. Note that continued personal attacks will lead to blocks for disruption. Please stay cool and keep this in mind while editing. Please stop. Wikipedia is not censored. Any further changes which have the effect of censoring an article will be regarded as vandalism. If you continue in this manner, you will be blocked from editing Wikipedia.


 * I've prooven the sources to be false. Therefore it is not sourced material, period. I see you clearly know some of the gadgets here at wikipedia, why not sign in with your name instead of going around anon smacking templates accross my talk-page? Gillis 16:19, 9 February 2007 (UTC)


 * Take care with the Martti Ahtisaari. The other low-edit count users are using talk. It's safer to wait a while else you will trip up on 3RRs even if you are well meaning in reverting stuff. I'm nearly on 3RR on this; as it's IP and new users and it's a BIO page maybe better to ask for page protection ? Ttiotsw 01:54, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

Join the discussion, please
We are working hard on bringing the Vasa-article up to FA-standards. This includes focusing on serious content and avoiding trivia. You seem to agree yourself that this factoid is rather trivial, but you don't seem to be willing to compromise. Henrik and I have both advanced arguments as to the inappropriateness of a very parenthetical and stylistically awkward mention of a student prank that had very little impact on the perception of the ship outside of Finland. You should try to actually argue your case without accusing us of being "purist" or misrepresenting the event as being highly notable.

Peter Isotalo 10:29, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

I'm very sorry, and I mean this in the best possible way, but your quotes "And honestly, it is not so much the matther of the factoid as the matther of principle of your personal crusade to own an article here." and "I agree this could fit better wlsewhere but there is no separate recovory article and no trivia section yet." makes your insistence to keep the factoid feel WP:POINTy. I implore you to take a step back, consider whether this has grown into a matter of principle, and a bit of a crusade against Peter (who can be a bit abrupt). Again, I mean no disrespect, but I'd like you to look at it from a fresh point of view for a second: "Is this improving the article?" is always the most important question. Needless conflicts are very damaging to a volunteer community, so hopefully we can go back to improving articles instead. :) henrik  • talk  12:23, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

reply from the italian goliardia
Hi Gillis,

My apologies for not coming back to you sooner. Actually it is a good idea, although there isn't any goliardia in Rome since the 70s. You are welcome to contact me at rcu72@remthisnospam.libero.it to discuss about your idea

Best regards, --Robert72 13:11, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

Hitler's manner of speaking
Hi Gillis!

You added to the page about Gustaf Mannerheim how Hitler's speech, while informal, was that of a member of the working class. It sounds plausible, but would need a reference. Do you still have the source at your disposal? Regards --Tellervo 09:20, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

Hejsan Gillis!
 * Fine that you have already put down a reference! Sorry, that I did not notice it! I changed
 * the wording of the comment on Hitler's style of speech by Jurgen Schielke to something I consider better English, - feel free to change it if you wish. The content is the same. I added "And revealed Hitler's limited education". Cheers! --Tellervo 11:48, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

On C.G.Mannerheim's use of the Finnish name of his first name, Kustaa
Hi Gillis,

I personally feel, that Mannerheim used Kustaa during his regency as a way to ingratiate himself to the Finnish speaking population of Finland. He was conscious of the handicap he had as a cosmolitan person who had served 30 years in the Russian army. He was an exotic foreigner in the eyes of ordinary citizens of Finland. I do'nt think "Kustaa" denotes a wish to be a monarch, nor a pseudo-monarch. He was definitively not a supporter of democracy, but he respected the will of the people. What do you think? --Tellervo 09:09, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

Sorry for some changes
I went through a part of your article about "Pakkosuomi/pakkoruotsi". I changed twice the term "Swedophones" to Swedish speaking Finns, as I have not found that word earlier anywhere. Feel free to complain and revert, if you feel like.--Tellervo 15:48, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

Vasa (ship) at FAC
Since you've shown interest or made some contributions to Vasa (ship), I'd like to notify you that it has been nominated as an FAC. Your insights and comments would be much appreciated there.

Peter Isotalo 14:11, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

Farkas
Shouldn't the second equation be$$A^Ty=b\,$$ for some $$y\geq0$$? That is how I remember it. Encyclops (talk) 05:39, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

Det var i alla fall två fel till du inte hittade. Jag ger dig 48 timmar före jag rätta dem. pl —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.251.113.138 (talk) 20:10, 22 September 2008 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Gunnar Nordström
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DYK for Gunnar Nordström
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MDI
Hi. I just wanted to let you know why I removed the entry on this disambiguation page. There's a few reasons actually. There's no article for "Ministerium des Innern" and nothing links to it. The two existing articles that you'd listed also did not mention that term. It's for these reasons that disambiguation isn't necessary for that item. Just thought I'd let you know. More info on "dab" pages at MOS:DAB. Have a good day,  Dawnseeker2000   19:08, 25 February 2011 (UTC)

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File:Helsinki climate.png listed for discussion
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Wilhelm Wahlforss
Hey man, I was browsing Wikipedia a while back and found a page about Wilhelm Wahlforss, and was curious as he is a direct family member of mine. My friend suggested that I look into the people who edited the page to maybe talk to them, and it just so happened that you had a talk page! I saw that you created the page, so I'm kind of interested to know how you know him? I see that you studied at the same place so I guess that that's why you wanted to write about him, but I'm super curious :). Thanks in advance! — Preceding unsigned comment added by SBRruh (talk • contribs) 00:44, 30 April 2021 (UTC)