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Banksia grandis
I think you are the editor who added to this page the text "Species of nectarivorous birds that have been observed feeding on B. nivea include...." (03:15, 14 June 2009). I'm wondering what B.nivea has to do with this article. Could you clarify this please? Thanks, and best regards, --Derek Andrews (talk) 20:41, 28 July 2011 (UTC)
 * My bad; copy-paste error. I used that source (Food of Australian Birds) to expand many Banksia species articles, and must have used the B. nivea text as a template for other articles. Hesperian 23:45, 28 July 2011 (UTC)

Sugar pine
Hello Hesperian. You seem to know about plants. Recently I performed an 'uncontroversial move' of this article from Sugar Pine to Sugar pine. But doing a Whatlinkshere to Pinus lambertiana, the scientific name, I see that tree species like this one are very often named by their scientific name. Taking a look at List of California native plants it seems that about half the trees have English names with what looks like improper capitalization and the other half are under their scientific names. Do you have any ideas of what is best to do? Thanks, EdJohnston (talk) 20:38, 29 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Hmm. After looking at WP:FLORA and a few other articles it looks to me there is an equally strong case for Sugar Pine, Sugar pine and Pinus lambertiana. Better leave it before it gets any more confusing. EdJohnston (talk) 21:07, 29 July 2011 (UTC)


 * Hi Ed, they should all be at scientific names - I generally move where I find. Only a minority of plants have common names, and those that do often have several. For conformity it works best - see WikiProject Plants Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 21:10, 29 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks for discussing this, guys. I agree that moving to the scientific name would be ideal. I'm happy to update redirects, copy, and such where appropriate. Ringbang (talk) 22:01, 29 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Done. Hesperian 01:02, 30 July 2011 (UTC)

Speedy deletion
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Main page appearance
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North Island is the northernmost island in the Houtman Abrolhos, a coral reef archipelago in the Indian Ocean off the coast of Mid West Western Australia. Located approximately 14 km (9 mi) from the nearest island group, it is one of the largest islands in the Houtman Abrolhos, and is of the few to support dune systems. It has relatively diverse flora dominated by chenopod shrubs and fauna that includes the introduced Tammar Wallaby, around 7 species of reptile, and about 15 resident bird species. Discovered and surveyed in 1840, North Island has been a seasonal camp for western rock lobster fishermen since the beginning of the 20th century, and this remains the principal focus of human activity on the island. There is also a small amount of tourism, though for the most part it is reserved as conservation habitat for vegetation communities and rare birds. (more...)


 * Nice to see this on the main page today. --Melburnian (talk) 03:01, 12 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Ta. :-) Hesperian 05:15, 12 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Yes - a nice surprise on the main page.--Nickm57 (talk) 13:26, 12 August 2011 (UTC)

edit warring
You've been here long enough to know not to edit war, especially considering that you haven't said mot on the talk page. If you think trema (diacritic) should be moved, why don't you see if you can convince the rest of us? — kwami (talk) 05:40, 15 September 2011 (UTC)

Parmelia
Ray Oldham says that Stirling's tub picked up Reveley and his wife at Cape Town, is the list s'posed to show who was on the vessel when it left Blighty, or when it arrived? cygnis insignis 16:26, 12 October 2011 (UTC)
 * It couldn't be when it arrived, or Tully Davy wouldn't be listed. :-( I would imagine that it shows everyone who appeared on the register for the journey, regardless of when they got on or off. Hesperian 00:16, 13 October 2011 (UTC)

What do you think?
Hi H, what would you think of the title, Yucca brevifolia and Joshua Tree? That was rhetorical, but this is not: how about Sega Genesis and Mega Drive? --Born2cycle (talk) 17:18, 13 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Bloody ludicrous. My phone is a HTC Wildfire and HTC Buzz, I own a copy of Harry Potter and the Philosopher's Stone and Harry Potter and the Sorceror's Stone, and I used to drive a Nissan Cherry and Nissan Sentra and Nissan Sunny and Holden Astra. Hesperian 23:38, 13 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Hmmmm. Casliber (talk · contribs) 01:08, 14 October 2011 (UTC)

Persoonia rush...
Buffing Persoonia lanceolata and Persoonia levis. The taxo history is interesting and not much documented. If you wanted to do more on wikisource maybe the Persoonia segment from Flora Australiensis? Anyway, had a good talk to Peter Weston today. Casliber (talk · contribs) 12:38, 19 October 2011 (UTC)

Atlas of Australian Birds
The edit history shows that you made a number of edits to Atlas of Australian Birds. A Good Article Review has been started on this article. You might like to make improvements to the article. Snowman (talk) 22:51, 21 November 2011 (UTC)

Happy Xmas
Thanks mate! And you. Hesperian 05:51, 25 December 2011 (UTC)

Australian Systematic Botany article access?
Hey. I was wondering if you might have access to this new article in Australian Systematic Botany: Wege, J. 2011. A taxonomic revision of the Stylidium despectum group (Stylidiaceae) from southern Australia. 24(6) 375-404 http://dx.doi.org/10.1071/SB11020 ; I don't seem to have access via my university. Hope you had a nice holiday! Rkitko (talk) 20:27, 28 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Hi! Yep, check your email. Hesperian 02:17, 29 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks! Much appreciated. Rkitko (talk) 13:30, 30 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Any time mate. Hesperian 00:32, 31 December 2011 (UTC)

btw
hope you had a good christmas - all the best for the new year - cheers SatuSuro 00:34, 31 December 2011 (UTC)

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Same old topic
Hi Hesperian. Happy New Year. The same old topic raises its unverified head again with the discovery of a "Portuguese Swivel Gun." See Nat Geographic Jan 10, 2012 An anon user has just alerted me. Doubtless someone will want to add this as an "important find" to various pages. Nickm57 (talk) 08:57, 10 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Ha ha! What we need is a source that points out that this is a "perennial favourite" proposition for which people are constantly proferring putative new evidence that fails scrutiny. This is nearly what we need:
 * "Persisting in an ongoing trickle of parochial books (see Trickett 2007 for the latest) is the unyielding theory that the first non-Aboriginal discoverers of Australia were Portuguese mariners who mapped part of the continent in the early sixteenth century, preceding the Dutch by almost one hundred years. This theory has never been disproved – and thus strictly speaking it is still possible it will be corroborated in the future with new evidence – but on the other hand, dozens of articles and books have brought us to a point where the one thing we know for sure is that there isn’t a skerrick of non-circumstantial evidence to support this theory (King 2008; Richardson 2006). It is yet another theological edifice, all neon lights and no foundations. Despite the scholars in this field generally agreeing there is no compelling evidence supporting this theory, it remains popular amongst non-historian consumers of history."
 * And a happy new year to you too. :-)
 * Hesperian 10:30, 10 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Hesperian 10:30, 10 January 2012 (UTC)


 * Now getting mileage in book-viral-face (fb) :(  SatuSuro 22:55, 10 January 2012 (UTC)

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Lightbot
I've looked at the discussion, and at Bots/Requests for approval/Lightbot 13, along with examples of the trial run, after which the bot was approved, and I'm not clear why the bot was blocked. You appear to be saying that the bot was not approved to change "manually converted units with calls to convert". The application was based on Bots/Requests for approval/Lightbot 3, which contains: "Converting units using convert, simplify that template, correct errors with its use. This includes adding and modifying the convert template." Reading the discussions and the trial, it appears that one of the stated aims of the bot was to replace manually converted units with convert, and after a trial in which the bot did just that, the bot was approved. Can you explain the thinking behind your block?  SilkTork   ✔Tea time  14:58, 16 January 2012 (UTC)
 * FYI, there's also a brief discussion about the bot's status at Wikipedia_talk:Bots/Requests_for_approval. ASCIIn2Bme (talk) 16:14, 16 January 2012 (UTC)

SilkTolk, you're missing the distinction between "converting units using convert" (for example, converting "2.5 mi" to " 2.5 mi ") and "replacing manually converted units with calls to convert" (for example, converting "2.5 mi (4.0 km)" to " 2.5 mi "). Your trial run diff doesn't speak to the latter. It is the latter that I object to. And it is the latter that, as far as I can tell, was brand new, undiscussed, unapproved, highly controversial functionality.

Also, you've only linked to the unblock discussion; the main discussion is [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Lightmouse&oldid=455122541#Dynamic_conversion_deemed_bug. here].

Cheers,

Hesperian 02:07, 17 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the link. I think the issue later spotted by Smalljim (21:59, 10 October 2011) about Lightbot ungrammatically rewording sentences is enough not to allow it to continue. ASCIIn2Bme (talk) 03:58, 17 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Plus this one is amusing. ASCIIn2Bme (talk) 04:07, 17 January 2012 (UTC)

MSU Interview
Dear Hesperian,

My name is Jonathan Obar user:Jaobar, I'm a professor in the College of Communication Arts and Sciences at Michigan State University and a Teaching Fellow with the Wikimedia Foundation's Education Program. This semester I've been running a little experiment at MSU, a class where we teach students about becoming Wikipedia administrators. Not a lot is known about your community, and our students (who are fascinated by wiki-culture by the way!) want to learn how you do what you do, and why you do it. A while back I proposed this idea (the class) to the community HERE, were it was met mainly with positive feedback. Anyhow, I'd like my students to speak with a few administrators to get a sense of admin experiences, training, motivations, likes, dislikes, etc. We were wondering if you'd be interested in speaking with one of our students.

So a few things about the interviews:
 * Interviews will last between 15 and 30 minutes.
 * Interviews can be conducted over skype (preferred), IRC or email. (You choose the form of communication based upon your comfort level, time, etc.)
 * All interviews will be completely anonymous, meaning that you (real name and/or pseudonym) will never be identified in any of our materials, unless you give the interviewer permission to do so.
 * All interviews will be completely voluntary. You are under no obligation to say yes to an interview, and can say no and stop or leave the interview at any time.
 * The entire interview process is being overseen by MSU's institutional review board (ethics review). This means that all questions have been approved by the university and all students have been trained how to conduct interviews ethically and properly.

Bottom line is that we really need your help, and would really appreciate the opportunity to speak with you. If interested, please send me an email at obar@msu.edu (to maintain anonymity) and I will add your name to my offline contact list. If you feel comfortable doing so, you can post your name HERE instead.

If you have questions or concerns at any time, feel free to email me at obar@msu.edu. I will be more than happy to speak with you.

Thanks in advance for your help. We have a lot to learn from you.

Sincerely,

Jonathan Obar --Jaobar (talk) 01:16, 10 February 2012 (UTC)

Main page appearance: Banksia cuneata
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Banksia cuneata is an endangered species of flowering plant in the Proteaceae family. Endemic to southwest Western Australia, it belongs to the subgenus Isostylis, which contains three closely related species with flower clusters that are dome-shaped heads rather than characteristic Banksia flower spikes. A shrub or small tree up to 5 m high, it has prickly foliage and pink and cream flowers. The common name Matchstick Banksia arises from the blooms in late bud, the individual buds of which resemble matchsticks. The species is pollinated by honeyeaters. Although B. cuneata was first collected before 1880, it was not until 1981 that Australian botanist Alex George formally described and named the species. There are two genetically distinct population groups, but no recognised varieties. This Banksia is classified as endangered, surviving in fragments of remnant bushland in a region which has been 93% cleared for agriculture. As Banksia cuneata is killed by fire and regenerates from seed, it is highly sensitive to bushfire frequency; fires recurring within four years could wipe out populations of plants not yet mature enough to set seed. Banksia cuneata is rarely cultivated, and its prickly foliage limits its utility in the cut flower industry. (more...) UcuchaBot (talk) 23:01, 5 March 2012 (UTC)

Nomination for deletion of Template:Wikisource portal
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DYK for Banksia oblongifolia
The DYK project (nominate) 01:44, 27 March 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Eucalyptus robusta
Materialscientist (talk) 16:05, 20 April 2012 (UTC)

File:Banksia integrifolia on the Main page.jpg listed for deletion
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Good luck with that
What a remarkably astute comment! There is so much .... errrr ... "rhubarb" on wp that it is refreshing to read something that has been thought about before it was written. You make a good point. Clearly, I need to put more effort into engaging my brain before opening my mouth. Thank you for bringing this to my attention. Despite the fact that I believe what I said, you remind me that It Ain't What You Do (It's the Way That You Do It). Cheers, Pdfpdf (talk) 10:22, 20 May 2012 (UTC)

Missing WS password
Hullo, you replied to to a piece I posted elsewhere about my failure to logon WS. The various responses makes me think if I were to register now on WS as 'APWOOLRICH', instead of 'Apwoolrich' and then get changed to this on WP, and the other wikis I am on, the problem will be solved, for I can then do cross wiki registration. Kind regards. Apwoolrich (talk) 09:08, 25 May 2012 (UTC)

of interest
Vaguelly remember you spent some time working on soil structure in the Perth Basin, I got these profiles recently in Jandakot, hope you can use and give some details about Thx Gnangarra 10:32, 29 May 2012 (UTC)


 * Wow, that's really interesting. I'll try to find time to dig out those soil books. Hesperian 00:13, 30 May 2012 (UTC)

Banksia ilicifolia
I'm buffing this now, if you feel like taking a look. If not, no biggie...Casliber (talk · contribs) 01:32, 1 June 2012 (UTC)


 * In case you didn't see, Banksia ilicifolia is now featured. I saw a great grafted Banksia nobilis in Peter Olde's garden a few weeks ago - which got me thinking that it'd be good to buff that article to GA - so if you do feel interested in harvesting studies etc, I'll be buffing it at some stage. Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 00:50, 2 July 2012 (UTC)
 * planted --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:54, 1 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Cool. Well done, Cas. Hesperian 00:17, 2 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Now if Gnangarra got a photo of oligantha one spring....that'd be good to roll onto FAC and all three would be done (chuckle). Casliber (talk · contribs) 11:44, 4 November 2012 (UTC)
 * That would be pretty awesome.... Hesperian 11:54, 4 November 2012 (UTC)

Midnight Oil
Thank you for moving the Midnight Oil article back to its proper title. I had just discovered it had been moved, breaking hundreds of links, and was trying to figure out what to do. - Salamurai (talk) 03:40, 1 June 2012 (UTC)

More on our favourite theory
G'day Hesperian. A keen but anonymous editor has appeared on the theory of Portuguese etc...page. Would you join me by having a look at this? CheersNickm57 (talk) 21:44, 19 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Good - nice and clean. CheersNickm57 (talk) 05:14, 20 June 2012 (UTC)

I left a note at...
... Talk:Invasive plants of Australian origin, a page that you created. -- Alan Liefting (talk - contribs) 02:36, 28 June 2012 (UTC)

Category:Lists of Australian biota
Category:Lists of Australian biota, which you created, has been nominated for possible deletion, merging, or renaming. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the Categories for discussion page. Thank you. Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 18:03, 4 October 2012 (UTC)

Precious

 * Gawsh, thanks. Hesperian 11:17, 7 November 2012 (UTC)

Androstachys
I've declined some of the deletions. The policy is may be deleted not must be deleted,. For some of the specialized articles, nobody else is very likely to create them & they do not show the peculiarities for which he was originally blocked. ,

You probably disagree. If you think I'm very wrong I suggest we discuss it here as least drama.And then if necessary at AfD.  DGG ( talk ) 04:54, 2 December 2012 (UTC)
 * I'm not around much at the moment and have no idea what has been going on. Judging from what you've written, Paul has been caught socking again, and someone has AfD'd a bunch of articles on the grounds they were posted by a banned user. In my experience the problem with Paul is in his interactions, not in his contributions to the encyclopaedia. I'm happy to back your judgement on this. Hesperian 12:04, 2 December 2012 (UTC)
 * I finally had a look at this. I can't figure out why these articles have suddenly been nominated for deletion after all this time. It just seems absurd to me. Hesperian 00:49, 4 December 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Angophora hispida
Materialscientist (talk) 02:56, 17 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Golly, thanks... but I don't think I created or substantially expanded this one. Hesperian 03:43, 17 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Yeah you did - take a look at the history. You're just a WA snob who denies liking eastern state plants ;) Casliber (talk · contribs) 05:00, 17 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Okay, I had a look. Eug created it. I have made a few small edits to the taxobox, categories and stub tags; zero edits to the text. Sorry Cas, I know you hate to take all the credit for your excellent work, but you're going to have to this time. Hesperian 05:28, 17 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Damn that edit history! Makes it impossible to hide under a bushel.--Curtis Clark (talk) 06:04, 17 December 2012 (UTC)
 * I know - I must have hastily looked at the last 50 edits and forgotten it had an older page...oh well. I fixed that now....Casliber (talk · contribs) 11:17, 17 December 2012 (UTC)

Merry Xmas

 * Thanks Cas, have a great one yourself. :-) Hesperian 07:18, 25 December 2012 (UTC)
 * trying....Casliber (talk · contribs) 07:23, 25 December 2012 (UTC)

File:Knaresborough Castle.jpg
I had a question about the above file that you. I originally uploaded that, probably early in 2006, and it was later copied over from my Flickr account by the bot. I was curious as to why you deleted and redirected the one I uploaded rather than the duplicate the bot uploaded? Cheers. CambridgeBayWeather (talk) 08:39, 11 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Oh! I just deleted the one that was tagged as a duplicate. Would you like me to reverse it? Hesperian 10:03, 11 January 2013 (UTC)
 * I figured it was something like that. If you can reverse it that would be great. Also if you could I found which was uploaded by the bot and the redirect. There are also two duplicates,  and  but the originals are still there. Thanks. CambridgeBayWeather (talk) 13:29, 12 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Done. Hesperian 13:03, 14 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks. CambridgeBayWeather (talk) 23:38, 14 January 2013 (UTC)

Categorization of Banksia redirects
Hi, I happened to notice that there are a lot of Banksia redirects from one scientific name to another that are tagged as. However, this was meant only for redirects from a common name to a scientific name according to its documentation and Template:R template index. The tag should now be the newer. Peter coxhead (talk) 08:02, 16 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the information. Hesperian 09:23, 16 January 2013 (UTC)
 * oooh, that's good ta know....Casliber (talk · contribs) 11:04, 16 January 2013 (UTC)

what a pleasant suprise
seeing your moniker onthe watch screen thingermebobby, revisiting some of the scenes of yesteryear and all... SatuSuro 08:48, 20 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Heh. I still check in every day. Usually multiple times. Just not editing at the moment. Rock on! Hesperian 10:07, 20 January 2013 (UTC)
 * yeah a vast slab of marie celestes floating towards the edge (as in vertical drops)... tinkering on the titanic deck chairs with the more interesting textual patterns, sirens at all times of day and night, surreal patterns of ishihara glowing in the dark... etc etc. other than that quite sandy... and a lot of dog poo SatuSuro 08:05, 21 January 2013 (UTC)

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State Politicans
I know how much you love our old pollies. I'm having some problems with an article which I created on Thomas Davy (politican), whilst I have based it mainly on various obituarys for him - it seems that the article is too closely aligned to the ADB article. I was hoping that a second set of eyes could help out. Dan arndt (talk) 08:14, 27 February 2013 (UTC)

IBRA7 maps
Hi Hesperian, I appreciate that you're presently having a break from Wikipedia. However, I'd value your help and wondering if I could tap into your expertise to either create new maps (or teach me how to create the maps) that allow for changes, introduced during 2012, for IBRA7. Is this something you're willing to help with? Rangasyd (talk) 11:29, 17 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Hi Rangasyd. I am still around but not contributing much; I am busy on a sister project these days. These IBRA region articles were quite a passion for me at the time, and that passion sustained me through the complicated process of obtaining a freeware GIS, learning how to use it, downloading the IBRA data and various other free datasets, and creating an image for each region. It was a big job, and I've now forgotten 90% of what I learned in doing it. I would like to promise to help, but deep down I know that I wouldn't get around to much. Hesperian 11:40, 17 March 2013 (UTC)
 * On second thoughts, let me have a further think about this. It wouldn't have to be done the same we I did it last time. I have some python code lying around for turning GIS vectors into SVG. Perhaps I could script something up.... Hesperian 11:42, 17 March 2013 (UTC)


 * Lol - go on - give it a go - we need something for the oceanic side of things... all the oceanic 3 dimensional stuff :) - long abandoned - it still needs picking up the pieces from about 5 years ago... sats 14:53, 17 March 2013 (UTC)

Recent page moves
Hi Hesperian,

You may wish to update User:Hesperian/Notes/Botanists, which I noticed coming up under "what links here" after I moved some pages. I have done the following:
 * Moved: Johan Peter Falck to Johan Peter Falk
 * Moved: Henry Borron Fielding to Henry Barron Fielding
 * Moved: Old version of Friedrich Vierhapper to Friedrich Karl Max Vierhapper
 * Created from redir: A new version of Friedrich Vierhapper

I don't think I've moved any others, but I can't be sure of my memory. If I find more I'll let you know. Hamamelis (talk) 11:56, 17 March 2013 (UTC)


 * Ta. Hesperian 11:58, 17 March 2013 (UTC)


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