User talk:Jmabel/Archive 61

Peer review for the Spokane, Washington article
Hi, Jmabel. I was wondering if you would be up to peer reviewing the Spokane, Washington article. The article recently reached good article status, but didnt do so well as a featured article candidate. Anyway, I know your busy right now doing the Seattle FAR stuff, so dont feel rushed; but if you are interested in reviewing the article sometime in the not-too-distant future, just holler back on my Talk page so I can stop scouting out reviewers. Thanks! Anon134 (talk) 08:11, 27 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Actually, I'm not working particularly on the Seattle FAR, but I'm very busy on other stuff. Also, I don't particularly know much about Spokane, and I haven't kept current with the constantly shifting FAR standards. - Jmabel | Talk 15:41, 27 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Thanks anyway Jmabel. Good luck with that other stuff! Anon134 (talk) 21:47, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

DYK for Washington Talking Book & Braille Library

 * Thanks. Pretty certain this brings me up to at least 75 DYKs I've created or expanded (wasn't counting early on). - Jmabel | Talk 22:47, 1 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Corrected count: that seems to be 73 of my own, plus three other people's I nominated, - Jmabel | Talk 00:54, 30 September 2009 (UTC)

Request for proofreading
Hi! Sorry to bother you with this, but it's really hard to find anybody who's es-4, listed on Proofreaders-es, and still actually contributing to WP. Could I persuade you to check a translation for me? It's a short excerpt from Lope de Vega's Isidoro de Madrid, in Homo unius libri. My translation is in the footnote. The language is a little archaic, and it's in verse, so this was a challenge for me and I could use your input (especially for the line «como van dejando atrás», which I translated to maintain the meter rather than literally). Thanks, if you're willing to help! --Unconventional (talk) 22:32, 1 February 2009 (UTC)

I think most of what you have is reasonable. I think you were a bit thrown by «como van dejando atrás»; I'd go for


 * For a noteworthy student is he
 * Who is [the student] of a single book.
 * For when they were not filled [Or perhaps more clearly For were they not filled]
 * With as many extraneous books
 * As they leave behind,
 * Men would know the more
 * Because they studied from fewer.

- Jmabel | Talk 22:44, 1 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Definitely, "were they not filled" is better. Thanks! I didn't see tantos...como that way because of the comma after agenos, but punctuation is less stable than spelling, even, so you're probably right. Also, I had chosen "less" rather than "fewer" for the meter, but "fewer" really is better. Thanks again! --Unconventional (talk) 23:51, 1 February 2009 (UTC)

Empire of Brazil - again
Hello! I´m back! I´m going to read the Empire of Brazil article´s discussion to see what are the issues, but if there anything else that you would care to tell me, I´m glad to help! - --Lecen (talk) 20:50, 2 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Yes, I´ve noticed that there are some untranslated sentences. I´m reading all the text to see all possible issues. I´m going to work on them, don´t worry. Thanks once more for your help with the translation and proofreading! Good day! - --Lecen (talk) 10:10, 3 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Hey, hello again! I have translated a new section of the Empire of Brazil article. It´s the "Imperial Armada" section on "Armed Forces": http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Empire_of_Brazil#Imperial_Armada Could you help me out with this one? If yes, once you´ve fixed any mistakes, I´ll put the sources. As always, thank you very much, - --Lecen (talk) 22:26, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

Your views
Hey Jmabel, it's been a while. I appreciate your giving your views regarding GrizzledOldMan's complaint about my deletion of certain comments I considered to be soapboxing - I've always respected your thinking. In light of that, what do you make of these very recent edits by GrizzledOldMan: They look suspiciously like WP:POINT to me. Jayjg (talk) 04:26, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Absolutely. He is doing exactly what I criticized you for. Please feel free to quote me on that; do you wish me to revert his edits and restore your remarks, rather than do so yourself? In any case, though I still urge you not to expunge other people's remarks. You have not put yourself on the best footing in this matter. - Jmabel | Talk 04:30, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Well, he's not doing exactly what you criticized me for. I removed comments that actually were soapboxing, whereas he removed my comments merely for the purposes of WP:POINT (or perhaps tit-for-tat). In any event, I appreciate your offer, but I've already reverted him. Jayjg (talk) 04:33, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
 * And he continues: Jayjg (talk) 05:08, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
 * I failed to see how your comments added anything to the discussion - hence soapboxing. You have no right to claim superiority in being able to judge what is or isn't soapboxing. GrizzledOldMan (talk) 11:11, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Excuse me: if that was addressed at me, I made no comments except those on personal talk pages and on the admin noticeboard telling you both to stop deleting each other's comments. If that was addressed at Jayjg, please take your attacks on each other elsewhere than my talk page. He came here with an appropriate message to show me that the issue was not entirely one-way. You came here to take a swipe at him. The latter is out of line. - Jmabel | Talk 15:48, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

DYK for Terry Pettus
76 - Jmabel | Talk 15:49, 10 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Corrected count: that seems to be 74 of my own, plus three other people's I nominated, - Jmabel | Talk 00:54, 30 September 2009 (UTC)

German nature parks
Hey amigo. Thanks for the translation on that one! Cordialmente! Dr. Blofeld       White cat 23:06, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

Your comment
Hi Jmabel. Thanks again for commenting on my Talk: page, but I'm not really sure what it was in reference to. Did something happen while I was away from Wikipedia? Jayjg (talk) 03:41, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

Novel
Hi Jmabel. Nice to see that you are still on board. Actually I feel like quitting - not wikipedia but my present job under the burden of too much correcting work. Over the past weeks I have re-written the old Novel-article. The quality standards had improved so much, and I had always regretted how I ended this article around 1750. I had also felt: this is difficult to continue with all the national literatures popping up around 1800. Should I open different strands or should I assume universal periods - all which I did not like. Giving lectures on the history of literature I finally felt I could give it a new try thinking of the interaction novelists could reach in the field of literature and its debates during the last two centuries. One could step into the 19th century with its debates of national literature and from there into the 20th with its market of global debates and see how authors of fiction addressed these debates. Eventually I rewrote the entire thing. This is the present version novel and this is the one with the last headlines still giving their original statements (I am in a discussion here on these last headlines, that does not need to bother you...)

What I want to ask you (and hardly dare) is, whether I could have your help again as a copy editor to change my awkward German (and by now all too academic) English into something high schoolers, will understand. I'd again try to state things clearer wherever I remained opaque. Yet often the intelligent reader immediately realises what I wanted to say (whilst I do not realise that I did not). This thing has been a bit of work, but eventually I enjoyed the risk to step beyond what I had done. I'd be really happy if it became something entirely wikipedic - an article on the importance of novels in the discussions that surround us. Ah, awkward, it's snowing outside. I should get home and return to my correction work. Hope you are well, --Olaf Simons (talk) 14:21, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
 * I'll try to take a shot some time in the next week or so. - Jmabel | Talk 15:56, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
 * I'll enjoy looking over your shoulder (was borne with the wrong language in my mouth, sorry for that), --Olaf Simons (talk)

Unhelpful talk page comments
Hi Jmabel. Regarding our previous discussion, I noticed on another page that the editor in question appears to make a comment that was mostly a gratuitous personal attack on two editors, one of whom wasn't even active on the Talk: page. In this situation what would you recommend doing? Jayjg (talk) 00:03, 17 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Sorry, I don't have enough context to really know the significance of that, nor enough time right now to work it out, but it looks like he's taking a completely egregious swipe at you. I guess in your shoes I'd either ignore it or take it to AN/I as a civility issue that he's going around randomly insulting you. - Jmabel | Talk 00:37, 17 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Well, it was at around the same time he made this extraordinary comment, parts of which he subsequently struck through. I'm not sure it would be worth taking him to AN/I. He has his rabid defenders, who view any attempt to get him to stop insulting other editors and continually soapboxing on Talk: pages as a political attempt to muzzle him; notwithstanding the fact that his comments only detract from the credibility of their positions. Sigh. Jayjg (talk) 01:44, 17 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Again, just ignoring him could be the best choice. But assuming that Isarig was not your "meat puppet", I think it would also be reasonable to bring it to AN/I and say that you want him either he substantiate his accusations (e.g. via an RFC) or refrain from making them, since they amount to personal attacks. On a few occasions (though it hasn't come up recently) I've done just that with someone who was attacking me. - Jmabel | Talk 02:47, 17 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Yeah, it's not worth the effort. I take heart in the fact that even his defenders are getting tired of him. Jayjg (talk) 04:09, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

Purse Seiners
Hi, this is in reply to your questions on my talk about, regarding purse seiners being in the category of fishing ships. First, the definition of a "ship", as I understand it, is related to this saying: "A boat can carry another boat, but a ship cannot carry another ship". So the size of the vessel is the determining factor, in this case. For example, the fishing boats I worked on commonly carried other (smaller) boats, and a ship could be loaded up with a number of the large fishing boats as well. However, you could not load one of those ships onto another ship (too large to be supportable out of the water).

A "purse seiner" is a vessel that does a specific job: purse seining. In Alaska, the sizes of our seiners is regulated by the state, they cannot exceed a certain length. In Peru, however, the restriction either isn't there, or it allows for a much larger size of vessel. They have ships that are purse seiners.

So there are two different dimensions here, what the vessel is primarily used for, and how large it is. These are not necessarily related in this case.

I hope this helps! Wadsworth (talk) 20:28, 17 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Thanks. So there are seiners that are ships. That's all I needed to know. (Living in Seattle I'd seen only the ones on the same scale as for Alaska.) - Jmabel | Talk 22:53, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

Gas Works Park in Seattle on NRHP?
Hi Jm ... Many moons ago (September 2, 2007), you added Gas Works Park in Seattle to National Register of Historic Places listings in King County, Washington (here's the diff). I searched the NPS NRIS database and can't find this site. Do you know for certain that it's listed on the NRHP? If so, can you provide a source? I realize that this goes back a ways and that you may not recall, but I figured it couldn't do any harm to ask. Any information you could provide is appreciated. Thanks in advance. --sanfranman59 (talk) 23:46, 24 February 2009 (UTC)

Interesting. Perhaps it is not on the list. http://www.nationalregisterofhistoricplaces.com/WA/King/districts.html says it was added in 2002, and I would have thought that would be reliable. Says "Also known as Seattle Lighting Co." if that's any help. On the other hand, Preservation Seattle says it was nominated in 2002, but "The nomination was well-received but did not meet the technical requirements of the National Park Service at this time." I don't know who to believe. - Jmabel | Talk 02:02, 25 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the reply. nationalregisterofhistoricplaces.com is a commercial site and not official. Their list seems to include any site for which an application has been submitted regardless of whether the application ultimately resultrf in the site being listed in the register. I thought perhaps that was your source. Given that the Gas Works site does not come up in a search of the NRIS database and the quote you cite from historicseattle.org, I'm going to remove it from the list. Thanks again for the information and happy editing! --sanfranman59 (talk) 04:35, 25 February 2009 (UTC)

Nazi, Swastika References Being Purged from Syrian Social Nationalist Party
Would you mind having a look at the problem of the Syrian Social Nationalist Party's Nazi history and swastika flag being systematically deleted/vandalized? This removes an important aspect of neutrality from the article. References from many reliable sources are provided. See its talk page. The edits are being done by users with IP addresses from very similar domains. Thanks, Histopher Critchens (talk) 21:04, 25 February 2009 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Dave Lewis (musician)
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Invitation to Meetup/Seattle6, a focus group
Hello. I'm part of a research group at the University of Washington (Seattle campus), and my group is reaching out to Wikipedians in the Puget Sound area. We're hosting a focus group designed to gather information on what Wikipedians would like to know about each other when interacting on Wikipedia. Our end goal is to create an embedded application that helps people quickly know more about others' history and activity on Wikipedia, and we feel our design will be much more useful if it's based on insights of users like you.

I'm hoping that the chance to help out local researchers, to engage in lively face-to-face discussion with other Seattle Wikipedians, and to contribute to Wikipedia in a new way will entice you to join us. The session lasts 2 hours and snacks are provided - one is April 8 (Wednesday) starting at 6 pm and the other is April 18 (Saturday) starting at 10 am. (Sessions will be held on UW Seattle campus - directions will be sent after registration.) Your contribution will be greatly appreciated!

Willing and able to help us out? RSVP here. Want to know more? Visit our user talk page. Please help us contact other local Wikipedians, too! Commprac01 (talk) 00:59, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

invitation
You're invited to sign up as a founding member, at WikiProject Council/Proposals ! :) doncram (talk) 07:21, 15 March 2009 (UTC)
 * WikiProject Historic Sites is opened up. I took the liberty of assuming your support for the wikiproject meant you wanted to join as a member, and I copied your signature to the Members list on the main page.  Please visit and add to, or remove, your listing there.  It would be great to hear about what you're interested in the Wikiproject becoming, in your member comment and/or at the Talk page, shortcut wt:HSITES.  Thanks for your support! doncram (talk) 17:26, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

AfD nomination of Rajiv Lather
An article that you have been involved in editing, Rajiv Lather, has been listed for deletion. If you are interested in the deletion discussion, please participate by adding your comments at Articles for deletion/Rajiv Lather (2nd nomination). Thank you.Please contact me if you're unsure why you received this message. Jay (talk) 03:32, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

Real Change
Hey Jmabel, thanks for adding this recent info to the Real Change article. I noticed, however, that a number seems to be missing (I guess through an editing typo): " has declined somewhat, to __ percent." Would you be able to fill that in if you still have the report handy?

Best, r ʨ anaɢ talk/contribs 04:25, 22 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Thanks. Fixed. - Jmabel | Talk 04:28, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

Nicolescu
I cut what seemed an extraneous detail on his exam score; moreover, we don't use his quoted words, so it's now plausibly not a copyvio (at least it's as acceptable as you can get using only one source). Granted, that source doesn't seem to meet WP:RS, but a quick search turned up nothing more useable. I don't mind further cutting, but right now it's fairly basic. - Biruitorul Talk 05:39, 24 March 2009 (UTC)
 * All righty, good to hear. - Biruitorul Talk 05:45, 24 March 2009 (UTC)

Synagogues and Jewish congregations in Washington
Wonderful page. I do hope you will add the appropriate buildig and congregation to Oldest synagogues in the United StatesHistoricist (talk) 14:03, 24 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Did what I could there. I wasn't particularly looking for "oldest" when I had a reference book in hand, so there may be other candidates by other definitions. - Jmabel | Talk 16:02, 24 March 2009 (UTC)

Greenwater, Washington
Thanks for the heads up regarding the map. It was caused by a little quirk with a few communities that straddle county boundaries, where the program I used to create the maps misreads a part of the city as being within the neighboring county and creates a map of it, even though it doesn't really exist. I replaced it with the correct map of the city in Pierce county. The incorrect map should be nominated for deletion on Commons. Shereth 03:21, 27 March 2009 (UTC)

Vintage seattle
http://www.vintageseattle.org/ Not sure if you've seen this, for possible leads on stuff, or just to enjoy. I just found it, and thought of you and another friend that might enjoy it. :) rootology ( C )( T ) 05:54, 2 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Yup, I know these folks, and have intermittently used their site. But thanks for pointing it out: if I hadn't known it, I'd certainly have wanted to. - Jmabel | Talk 16:31, 2 April 2009 (UTC)

Writing world history
i didn't no the authors on Writing world history and added some. 81.106.67.236 (talk) 18:55, 2 April 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for the picture
Meridian_Playground_(Seattle) SchmuckyTheCat (talk)

Thank you...
...for your hard work translating List of Latin American cities by population. Much appreciated here. --Wavehunter (talk) 17:13, 12 April 2009 (UTC)
 * You're welcome. It was actually an easy one. - Jmabel | Talk 17:50, 12 April 2009 (UTC)

Duwamish (tribe)
Hi, I got your comment on my talk page and looked at the article. It certainly is vastly improved. Good work! Gr8white (talk) 05:10, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

German Unification article
Hi Jmabel, I'm in a quandary about the German unification article. It needed a lot of work, and I read your comments on its discussion page. I've done a bit of "tweeking" I guess you could call it...it's vastly longer, and more elaborate. I'm confused about what else to do, however, how to get it "approved," etc., and then what? as an experienced wikipedia person, can you help me? It is on my user page....Auntieruth55 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 20:11, 13 April 2009 (UTC).
 * Responding at User talk:Auntieruth55. - Jmabel | Talk 00:20, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

I'm still confused about how to do some of this stuff. But there is a problem still with the unification article. The map that includes some of the German colonies also includes a notation about "Little Venice" in present day Venezuela, and the dates are some time in the 16th century. This seems a bit (more than a bit) odd to me, and that map should be edited, or removed. I couldn't figure out how to remove it, or edit it. Possibly the map is in a template? How and who do I go to re that? Auntieruth55 (talk) 14:59, 15 April 2009 (UTC)

Talk:Pete_Seeger
I responded to your comment. Bearian (talk) 18:47, 29 April 2009 (UTC)

Selleck, Washington
A vivid and fascinating article. Regards. Haploidavey (talk) 22:25, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

English to Spanish user warning request
Hello, User:Academic Challenger suggested that you may be able to help with a language barrier problem I have. There is a discussion at Administrators' Noticeboard/Incidents regarding a spanish speaking user uploading copyrighted material in bulk. Rather than simply block the user (which I would do if I was sure the multiple warnings had been received clearly), I would like to be able to establish some contact before escalating the situation. Could you post a message at User talk:MRDU08 explaining our copyright policy and the situation he or she is in? I think that the most recent message left could serve as a good template. Thanks in advance for any help you can render. Protonk (talk) 22:39, 10 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Done, to the best of my ability. I'm not as solid on English-to-Spanish as vice versa, but I think it should be clear, if perhaps imperfect. - Jmabel | Talk 00:31, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Thank you. Protonk (talk) 01:09, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

Ashkenazi Jews
Not sure how active you are these days? We have a troll over on Ashkenazi Jews. Would you have a look? Metzenberg (talk) 01:04, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
 * I made a couple of comments, but I don't really want to wade in with both feet. - Jmabel | Talk 05:49, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

DYK for Selleck, Washington

 * Thanks. That should make 77 confirmed DYKs for me. - Jmabel | Talk 17:57, 16 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Corrected count: that seems to be 75 of my own, plus three other people's I nominated, - Jmabel | Talk 00:54, 30 September 2009 (UTC)

DYK for Joseph Wicks

 * 78! - Jmabel | Talk 16:50, 19 May 2009 (UTC)


 * (Uh, 76) - Jmabel | Talk 00:54, 30 September 2009 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Lincoln High School (Seattle, Washington)
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DYK for Lincoln High School (Seattle, Washington)

 * 79. - Jmabel | Talk 15:45, 28 May 2009 (UTC)


 * (Uh, 77) - Jmabel | Talk 00:54, 30 September 2009 (UTC)