User talk:Kelapstick/Archive 7

More. Too soon.
1 2 3 Hafspajen (talk) 13:48, 26 July 2015 (UTC)
 * The first one I deleted mainly because of the copy/paste. The last two I will leave to let the PRODs expire. Cheers, --kelapstick(bainuu) 13:53, 26 July 2015 (UTC)
 * OK. Thanks. Hafspajen (talk) 13:55, 26 July 2015 (UTC)

"free" concept
Am I understanding the "free" policy correctly, let's say there were a photo of Heather Barnett that was totally free on Wikipedia. So someone could take the image, put it on a T-shirt, and sell it without obtaining any clearances from the photo's creator or paying the photo's creator? But why do we as Wikipedians care to facilitate that?

Are there methods to speed the finding of free images? What are they? Greg Dahlen (talk) 17:22, 30 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Hi Greg Dahlen, you are correct. We as Wikipedians (or more broadly, Wikimedians, which covers all Wikimedia projects) is spelled out briefly at Mission. There are a couple of ways to get freely licenced images, in order of ease (I have found):
 * Take a picture yourself, and upload it.
 * Search Flickr for an appropriately licenced photograph (and if it isn't appropriately licenced, request the photographer/copyright owner to change the licence to something that matches our requirements).
 * Personally request (usually via email) the subject of the photograph provide a photograph of which they are the copyright owner, and licence it appropriately.
 * In all these cases, the photographer still owns the copyright of the image in question, but it must be licenced to permit its use for any purpose, including commercially. has had quite a bit of success with the third option, I have had some success with the second.  --kelapstick(bainuu) 17:58, 30 July 2015 (UTC)
 * kelapstick, when it comes to photographs, if someone puts a photograph on for example, a commons, and claims the photo is "free," how do we know that is true, do we just trust the person? Greg Dahlen (talk) 12:09, 1 August 2015 (UTC)
 * We pretty well have to trust the person, although there are ways that suggest it may be taken from somewhere else (screen resolution, EXIF data, quality, etc.) --kelapstick(bainuu) 12:34, 1 August 2015 (UTC)

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Are you here? Hafspajen (talk) 20:48, 2 August 2015 (UTC)
 * For a little while. --kelapstick(bainuu) 20:59, 2 August 2015 (UTC)
 * .I would need some help. This needs to be mainspaced somehow, dunno how. Merging the ... history and such...I think only an admin can, at least I do not know how. User:Hafspajen/The Lute Player Hafspajen (talk) 21:02, 2 August 2015 (UTC)

The User:Hafspajen/The Lute Player can be deleted as wll, maybe. Hafspajen (talk) 21:05, 2 August 2015 (UTC)
 * My dear, you know I am always open to performing a history merge for you, however I require the target . At present we have:
 * The Lute Player
 * The Lute Player (Caravaggio)
 * The Lute Player (Hals)
 * None of those look like the target (we also probably need The Lute Player (disambiguation)). --kelapstick(bainuu) 21:07, 2 August 2015 (UTC)
 * OPPS. Hafspajen (talk) 21:07, 2 August 2015 (UTC)
 * DAB page made, if you still require my assistance, I will be back in a couple hours. --kelapstick(bainuu) 21:09, 2 August 2015 (UTC)

The Lute Player (Gentileschi)...??? but wait ... blast, the problem is that the daughter also has a painting called lute player. Artemisia Gentileschi. several, actually.... this used to be called the Lute Player to... What do you suggest? Hafspajen (talk) 21:10, 2 August 2015 (UTC)
 * The Lute Player (Artemisia Gentileschi)
 * The Lute Player (Orazio Gentileschi)
 * Any same named by the same artist can be further named by year of painting? --kelapstick(bainuu) 21:23, 2 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Pictured above should be St Cecilia Playing a Lute with a hat note(s) at the top of both paintings.--kelapstick(bainuu) 21:24, 2 August 2015 (UTC)

Sometimes is called only Lute player. http://www.artemisia-gentileschi.com/luteplayer.html Hafspajen (talk) 21:30, 2 August 2015 (UTC)
 * And on top of everything there is this to. They just couldn't stop playing that blasted lute, now don't they.  Hafspajen (talk) 21:32, 2 August 2015 (UTC)
 * I guess we go The Lute Player (Orazio Gentileschi)... BUT I predict it will soon be changed by some less informed guy into The Lute Player (Gentileschi).... Hafspajen (talk) 21:34, 2 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Pick your choice, I let you decide. Hafspajen (talk) 21:43, 2 August 2015 (UTC)
 * I say go with the longer name, then make the shorter one a redirect to the DAB page, and have an entry for the daughter's page, that way the page can only be moved by an administrator, and the DAB page shows why it is at the longer title. --kelapstick(bainuu) 22:55, 2 August 2015 (UTC)
 * OK, go for it. Hafspajen (talk) 01:07, 3 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Please, if you decide wich one you take could you please take care of this nomination and remove the superflous titles? Can't do that now for a while... It's here-Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates/File:Orazio Gentileschi - Il suonatore di liuto (National Gallery of Art).jpg Hafspajen (talk) 01:28, 3 August 2015 (UTC)
 * THANKS, just saw you fixed it, I fixed the nomination. Many thanks. Hafspajen (talk) 01:38, 3 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Any time. --kelapstick(bainuu) 01:44, 3 August 2015 (UTC)

Category:Non-free files with orphaned versions more than 7 days old
Rally glad to see some one else works this cat too. I managed over 6000 rescales last month and was getting a bit sick of it. Nthep (talk) 13:28, 4 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Hi I had noticed your working on them, and had meant to drop by and mention it to you. Actually I checked in the category and it was empty, rather than sitting in the thousands, so I investigated who was doing RevDel in the File namesapce, which turned up you! It is one of the easiest administrative tasks one can do, yet is perpetually backlogged. I started looking at it in March (after reading about how easy it is while I was running for Oversight), and this year have done about 4,700 of them (in fact I think this year my file space contributions are over 60% of my total).  In June I campaigned about 2,500 of them over a period of about 3/4 days, man that was insane. I added the link to my Navbox under "Island of Misfit Toys", because it isn't always easy to find the category. I have found it usually grows by about 100-250 per day, so if I keep on top if it, it doesn't get out of control.  However I will be away from Wikipedia for about the next six weeks, so won't be able to do much in the area until September again. Cheers, and thanks for stopping by! --kelapstick(bainuu) 13:42, 4 August 2015 (UTC)
 * See you in September then :-) I see you live in NS but commute across NB and Quebec.  That's a heck of a commute.  You live up Amhurst way or deeper in NS?  I'm not Canadian but love Canada especially NS and NF so we visit every couple of years. Nthep (talk) 14:48, 4 August 2015 (UTC)
 * See You in September, sounds like a song cue to me. I do my commuting my plane, takes about a day either way. I am deeper in than Amherst, out towards the PEI Ferry. Cheers, --kelapstick(bainuu) 15:54, 4 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Pictou way? I got my picture in the Advocate three years ago. Nthep (talk) 16:36, 4 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Yup, I'm indeed in Pictou County. Small world isn't it. --kelapstick(bainuu) 17:15, 4 August 2015 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Mining industry of Tunisia
Hello! Your submission of Mining industry of Tunisia at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and some issues with it may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! Yoninah (talk) 20:19, 1 September 2015 (UTC)

This
Is stupid. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fight_Vols,_Fight. Tagged for deletion.Hafspajen (talk) 17:11, 23 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Hmmm. Can't help you right how Haffy. Just logged into my main account for the first time in almost a month I think. And even then only for a few minutes. Still mid vacation. Daughters birthday today, so we are in town, making her spaghett for her birthday dinner,, in the midst of a heat wave. Need to go back to the trailer. At least it has proper air conditioning (and a pool and ocean). The pug is feeling the heat. --kelapstick(on the run) 18:19, 23 August 2015 (UTC)
 * OH, sorry. Keep pug in shade and have fun! Hafspajen (talk) 18:23, 23 August 2015 (UTC)
 * No worries. She's coping. And still pretty spry for a ten year old mostly blind, mostly deaf pug with epilepsy. --kelapstick(on the run) 18:28, 23 August 2015 (UTC)

DYK for Mining industry of Tanzania
Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 23:18, 30 August 2015 (UTC)

DYK for Mining industry of Tunisia
Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 12:02, 5 September 2015 (UTC)

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 * ✅, I guess. --kelapstick(bainuu) 19:44, 16 September 2015 (UTC)

RFPP
OK - thanks for looking into it. :) — Ched : ?  21:20, 20 September 2015 (UTC)
 * No problem, I will keep an eye over the next day or so as well. And let me know if there are any other issues. Cheers, --kelapstick(bainuu) 21:21, 20 September 2015 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

 * Much appreciated. --kelapstick(bainuu) 13:20, 24 September 2015 (UTC)

Generation Z
Could you unlock Generation Z? Oct 2nd was too long of a lock. It allows more experienced editors (who have privileged to edit locked articles) to make changes like the one today that is unfortunately unsubstantiated by the source. If you look at the editors history https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Phil_A._Fry with the article he/she seems to be invested in one point of view about the birth dates and continually makes the same edit over and over again over time. Thank you. 2606:6000:610A:9000:6520:6BF3:34B0:C822 (talk) 18:32, 24 September 2015 (UTC)


 * Hello? If we cant get a response from you then let's go to an admin. board. Pages shouldn't be locked with no dialogue.  Thank you. 2606:6000:610A:9000:D8BD:9D88:22E0:B373 (talk) 18:18, 25 September 2015 (UTC)
 * There is a talk page to discuss the article specifics at. --kelapstick(bainuu) 11:58, 26 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Although the IP is brusque, they do have a bit of a point. They've been working on Generation articles for years, are not averse to using the talk page, and semi-protecting gives the advantage to registered editors in a content dispute. --Neil N  talk to me 16:08, 26 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Feel free to reverse (or increase) my protection as you see fit . --kelapstick(bainuu) 16:31, 26 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks, appreciate that. --Neil N  talk to me 16:33, 26 September 2015 (UTC)

Help

 * Hey Kelapstick, so I come back to Wikipedia and find that someone's messed w/ my userpage. I can't edit it or anything, so a friend told me to ask an admin (which would be the reason of why I am currently asking you). I'm wondering if you would be so kind to revert my page to the previous edit.

Thank you, Shirugaki (talk)
 * , your page was deleted under criterion U5, misuse of Wikipedia as a webhost. The page you see now is your page on Meta (users without userpages have their Meta page show up instead) Without judgment on if deletion was correct, the proper thing to do in this case is request undeletion from the deleting administrator, in this case .  In any event, if it is undeleted, you should trim a lot of the material on the userpage, and have a read of the relevant guideline at WP:USERPAGE.  --kelapstick(bainuu) 16:20, 18 September 2015 (UTC)


 * Thanks a lot. Shirugaki (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 18:35, 30 September 2015 (UTC)

heading
New to wiki not certain about what citations are needed. Perhaps you can advise. Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by JBeeTito (talk • contribs) 23:23, 21 September 2015 (UTC)
 * No, this has been ongoing addition of spam/BLP issues. The bottom line is don't do it. --kelapstick(bainuu) 01:19, 4 October 2015 (UTC)

Peter Vaško
Could you undelete please article about Slovak footballer Peter Vaško. He made his professional debut for MFK Skalica against Spartak Myjava on 12 September 2015. . Thank you. IQual (talk) 16:09, 3 October 2015 (UTC)
 * ✅, --kelapstick(bainuu) 01:19, 4 October 2015 (UTC)

Protection of French language
Hello. Requests for page protection says semi-protected for three months, but the protection log for the page says protected for one month... Thomas.W talk 13:29, 18 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Ugh, Thomas.W, that page is killing me. First I thought I protected it, and it didn't go through, and now this. Alright should be three months now, thanks for bringing this to me.  Cheers, -kelapstick(bainuu) 13:32, 18 October 2015 (UTC)
 * It's now three weeks (8 November 2015), not three months (which would be 18 January 2016)... Thomas.W talk 13:36, 18 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Good god, I must need another coffee, why is three weeks even a standard option. Alright till 18 January. That should do it.  I've been looking at too many F5 files today, eyes are going crossed.--kelapstick(bainuu) 13:39, 18 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Go get some coffee, that's what I do when my brain starts slowing down. Thomas.W talk 13:40, 18 October 2015 (UTC)
 * I will, thanks again. Working on clearing my third backlog this morning, anyone who says we don't need more admins should have a look at Category:Non-free files with orphaned versions more than 7 days old every once and a while.  Only 860 more files to go! --kelapstick(bainuu) 13:43, 18 October 2015 (UTC)

Recreation of Ionuț Poiană
Earlier today you deleted this article. Would you mind telling me who recreated it? Thanks in advance. Sir Sputnik (talk) 20:49, 18 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Not at all Sir Sputnik, tt was created (this time, and the time previous) by .--kelapstick(bainuu) 20:52, 18 October 2015 (UTC)

File:Pokémon The First Movie.jpg
Which one is less risky: 360px or 323px? --George Ho (talk) 00:17, 19 October 2015 (UTC)
 * I restored the 323 version. --kelapstick(bainuu) 00:27, 19 October 2015 (UTC)
 * You've been asked a trick question, neither is risky. A 360 × 345 file is considered low resolution, the image has been extant since 2005.  George was notified in September about needlessly tagging already low-resolution images with non-free reduce, not just by myself, but by User:Masem who originally inserted the 100,000 pixel guideline.  George's action merely degrades image quality through the introduction of image artifacts.  A 360 × 345 image is already low resolution, reducing this to 323 × 309 is of no benefit to Wikipedia, it does not strengthen our fair-use case, nor does it further the mission. These edits should not be encouraged. - hahnch e n 19:41, 20 October 2015 (UTC)

Untitled

 * Hi kelapstick. Musa Raza has violated the WP:3RR and has been creating pages of non-notable BLP to avoid AfDs. I request that this editor be blocked from further edits. Thanks. N0TABENE (talk) 21:02, 20 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Further discussion on N0TABENE's talk page. --Neil N  talk to me 21:25, 20 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks . --kelapstick(bainuu) 21:48, 20 October 2015 (UTC)

Sourcing issues?
Can you explain me what you meant by that? Supdiop ( T 🔹 C ) 01:38, 19 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Sure, did I actually say sourcing issues? Anyway, take an article like Balmanno Castle, three sources for the article, and the Courier is really the only "good" source I would say. That's not to say the others are "bad", but for a castle that old, I would expect there to be some better ones available. The articles are "fine", as far as getting started, but the issue I have with granting autopatrolled, is it gives the ability for someone to create a BLP which does not go through the patrolling process, which can be of great concern. --kelapstick(bainuu) 01:50, 19 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Ok, I understand. Thanks Supdiop ( T 🔹 C ) 02:23, 19 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Can't you trust me that I won't create blps without violating wikipedia policies and guidelines? I have made 6800 edits in my 6 months career and helped wikipedia very much. I reverted vandalism and unconstructive edits and reported many vandals to AIV. I am not interested in blps, I am interested in geography related articles. I have been trusted with rollback and pending changes reviewer rights. I may create blps in future but I know how to create blps because I review drafts in AFC and I am also new page patroller. Thanks Supdiop ( T 🔹 C ) 03:38, 19 October 2015 (UTC)
 * I am sure that I can, however, as mentioned, the guideline threshold is 25 articles, and I prefer them to be well sourced. What we have is 12 articles, that are not very well sourced.--kelapstick(bainuu) 11:58, 19 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Ok. Can you please supress my block logs? First two block logs are okay but second two are not because they are punitive blocks. Second block was made even after I said I won't ask again. It is a great example of punitive block. What was it supposed to prevent me from doing? Nothing, it prevented me from helping wikipedia for 3 days. I waited 3 days because admins thought I was not going stop but I said I will stop before the block. Please remove second block log. Thanks Supdiop ( T 🔹 C ) 12:31, 19 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Block logs cannot be suppressed/removed because they were "wrong". I am not even sure that there is even the technical ability to remove a log, only the edit/log summary, which may only be removed under the same criteria as any other edit summary (as per WP:REVDEL and WP:OVERSIGHT).--kelapstick(bainuu) 13:00, 19 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Can you edit summaries of block log? That would be great. You can write that "This is a punitive block" in the block summary. :D Serious question though - Can you edit summaries? - Supdiop ( T 🔹 C ) 13:11, 19 October 2015 (UTC)
 * There is no way to edit the summary of a block, in the same way there is no way to edit the summary of a regular edit. It can only be removed, and that would only happen if the summary was against policy (such as if it were grossly insulting). Typically what would happen if someone were blocked incorrectly, is they would be reblocked for a period of 1 second, with a note explaining why it was incorrect. That is the only way to make a note in someone's block log. Having said that, it is highly unlikely you will find someone who will reblock you to add a note such as that to your log, without getting permission from the original blocking admin(s). --kelapstick(bainuu) 13:17, 19 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Ok, thanks. I read somewhere that one can remove logs if they have access to wikipedia servers. Thanks for answers. - Supdiop ( T 🔹 C ) 13:26, 19 October 2015 (UTC)
 * That may be possible, however the people that have access to the servers are few and far between. --kelapstick(bainuu) 16:59, 19 October 2015 (UTC)


 * Hi Kelapstick, I think that I can be given an exception from 25 articles threshold because I am active in content creation and I am an experienced editor who knows what is what. NPPs don't have to review my articles, trust me. It will save lot of time for them. I created 6 articles in last 9 days and I have 7000 edits. Just because I didn't create many articles, doesn't mean that I can't create them. I want to create many articles from today onwards. Please grant me autopatrolled right. Thank you Supdiop ( T 🔹 C ) 09:41, 20 October 2015 (UTC)
 * You don't need autopatrolled to create articles. Articles such as Paraspori do not demonstrate that you know what Wikipedia's sourcing requirements are. So no, I will not grant autopatrolled rights, you can rerequest it at WP:PERM, but I am certain you will get the exact same response from any other administrator. --kelapstick(bainuu) 12:52, 20 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Thank you Kelapstick, I will not ask for that right for at least another 5 months. I will create many articles by that time and demonstrate that I understand sourcing requirements. I will also improve the articles I already created and you will have no hesitation to give me the right at that time. Thanks - Supdiop ( T 🔹 C ) 21:57, 20 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Sounds like a plan, feel free to come see me directly afterwards.--kelapstick(bainuu) 22:03, 20 October 2015 (UTC)
 * I am also planning to create some BLPs and get at least one article to Good article status. I was planning to do that from last 10 days, that's why I was asking for autopatrolled right. Anyway, thanks - Supdiop ( T 🔹 C ) 22:24, 20 October 2015 (UTC)

Mammootty
Renew PC? --George Ho (talk) 06:18, 23 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Another six months. --kelapstick(bainuu) 13:35, 23 October 2015 (UTC)

Need help....

 * This needs to be deleted, but NOT not BEFORE put in mainspace... You know, merging history and stuff. Please ... will you do it? It needs an admin. User:Hafspajen/A Boyar Wedding Feast - Hafspajen (talk) 15:10, 4 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Haffy, what does it need merging with? --kelapstick(bainuu) 15:38, 4 November 2015 (UTC)
 * It needs an article. Called: A Boyar Wedding Feast. The history needs to be merged from the draft into the article to be. Hafspajen (talk) 15:47, 4 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Oh, sure, that's easy, but you don't have to be an admin to do that. It's just a regular move.--kelapstick(bainuu) 15:48, 4 November 2015 (UTC)
 * ✅, next time just go to move (as you normally would) and change the "space" or whatever it's called from user to article, and remove the Hafspajen/ from the front. Then you can tag the redirect for deletion under U1.  --kelapstick(bainuu) 15:50, 4 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks! What is U1? Hafspajen (talk) 15:53, 4 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Requests for speedy deletion in your own userspace (for example, a redirect from your userspace to an article). When I moved it I just unchecked the box that says leave redirect, but you can only do that as an admin. --kelapstick(bainuu) 16:04, 4 November 2015 (UTC)
 * U1 ? Hafspajen (talk) 16:15, 4 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Yes, once you move the page, go to the redirect, and tag it with db-U1 or db-user. --kelapstick(bainuu) 17:18, 4 November 2015 (UTC)
 * AH. Hafspajen (talk) 18:00, 4 November 2015 (UTC)

2015 Arbitration Committee Statement
Hello,

It's only a small fix, but please be sure to confirm that you will fully comply with the criteria for access to non-public data in your statement. As you've already signed the new confidentiality agreement, mentioning that should suffice. Thanks, Mike V • Talk 04:04, 10 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks, --kelapstick(bainuu) 04:06, 10 November 2015 (UTC)

HAHAHAHA FOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL! I am SO going to vote for you.
 * I just blocked someone who wrote like that. You gotta love him, right Kelapstick?--Bbb23 (talk) 05:41, 10 November 2015 (UTC)


 * Didn't sign. IP troll. 8-/ Softlavender (talk) 05:50, 10 November 2015 (UTC)

Thank you! Now please gimme some more people to vote for. Yngvadottir (talk) 06:43, 10 November 2015 (UTC)
 * , I am sure you will, just to spite me., I will see what I can do, I really wish you would run this year, but I can see why you wouldn't (yet, maybe next year). I have commented to a few I would like to see run, and I am not sure how many (if any) outgoing will be running again. , If I am elected, I expect you to block Drmies, I am sure that you can come up with something.--kelapstick(bainuu) 10:00, 10 November 2015 (UTC)


 * You can block him for collaborating with me and speaking about it, that seems to be criminal these days, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:56, 10 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Yes, well you're dangerous company to keep Gerda. Thank you for stopping by, and thank you for being merciful in picking a short discussion for me to give a non-answer to. Of course provided the correct answer (whatever that means). But what you describe is why, for better or worse, Wikipedia will never be finished. --kelapstick(bainuu) 11:25, 10 November 2015 (UTC)


 * I mercifully picked Joseph, not Laurence Olivier where I was taken to AE nor Jean Sibelius where my "ban" is mentioned, + always the idiot box and other niceties, but I am the one who needs to be improved, if necessary by blocks, - look for "dangerous" on my talk ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:59, 10 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Just to show you how objective I am, I keep forgetting who is on which side of the infobox debate. I think I remember which side I'm on, but even that's difficult. Drmies (talk) 15:20, 10 November 2015 (UTC)

Good luck!! Lady of  Shalott  17:36, 10 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Much thanks ! --kelapstick(bainuu) 18:38, 10 November 2015 (UTC)


 * OK K-stick, I have no idea what I'm doing. Please fix me. Drmies (talk) 02:02, 14 November 2015 (UTC)
 * , it's not very intuitive, but click on the blue boxes (there are three of them) on your candidate page, and replace the contents with the template that is in the page (or just get rid of the . Then save the page(s). You have to create your question, candidate, and another page (can't remember all of them, but there are four total, including the one you already did.)--kelapstick(bainuu) 02:04, 14 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Actually I think you may want to start over, you create your candidate page first (with nothing) then your statement page (with your statement), then the others. --kelapstick(bainuu) 02:07, 14 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Strike that, I just blanked your statement from the candidate page, that goes on your statement page, which you will create with the blue box i mentioned, but it uses the REVISIONUSER template, so you have to do it yourself, or it won't work.. --kelapstick(bainuu) 02:09, 14 November 2015 (UTC)
 * I saw all that, the three boxes and stuff--but I got there only after I created something first. What was I supposed to type in that first page? Drmies (talk) 02:12, 14 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Nothing, it's a collection of templates. Looks like you are on the right track now. --kelapstick(bainuu) 02:13, 14 November 2015 (UTC)
 * You have to create the other two pages (just create and save I think) then transclude your candidate page to Arbitration Committee Elections December 2015/Candidates.--kelapstick(bainuu) 02:15, 14 November 2015 (UTC)
 * OK, I think I did it, and I just avoided having to answer one particular question. I wonder how much pastry I'm going to get. Thanks for your help, old pal, you sexy ArbCom member you. Drmies (talk) 02:34, 14 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Ha, well that remains to be seen. Speaking of pastry, I just passed on an authentic Mongolian buuz recipe to, you want it? it comes with pictures and a video. --kelapstick(bainuu) 02:39, 14 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Wait, you're putting the moves on another woman with pastry, and I come second? Please. I mean, yes, please! Sippi is really learning culinary moves and this could be fun. I'm ordering yak milk and butter already, just to make sure. Drmies (talk) 02:42, 14 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Yeah I am going to make it when I get back form Indonesia. Having said that, one of the guys who worked for me in Mongolia used to put the dumplings in boiling water (from the kettle), add some coffee creamer, then drape a used tea bag across them.  Then he would offer me some, I would respectfully decline. Should be in your email shortly.--kelapstick(bainuu) 02:46, 14 November 2015 (UTC)

Nomination of Erick Schat's Bakkerÿ for deletion
A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Erick Schat's Bakkerÿ is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Articles for deletion/Erick Schat's Bakkerÿ until a consensus is reached, and anyone is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion notice from the top of the article. bonadea contributions talk 10:53, 16 November 2015 (UTC)

inre this edit
Pardon me, but HUH?  Schmidt,  Michael Q.
 * Apologies Michael, Mr/Ms. IP has been asking around who would make suitable candidates for the ongoing Arbitration Election. Your name had come up, and I had agreed you would make a good candidate. However everyone forgot to mention it to you, I suppose. Cheers, --kelapstick(on the run) 21:41, 16 November 2015 (UTC)

Template:Db
Hi Kelapstick. Please reduce the protection on from indefinite TE to indefinite semi/sysop to bring the protection in line with the other db templates. Thanks. —&thinsp;JJMC89&thinsp; (T·C) 12:28, 26 November 2015 (UTC)
 * ✅. --kelapstick(bainuu) 19:27, 26 November 2015 (UTC)

Signpost inquiry
Kelpstick, I've emailed you via the Spanish WP, since I've run over my daily limit here. Tony  (talk)  05:01, 18 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Hi, I had to fish the emai out of junk. Which doesn't usually happen for Wikipedia email for me. I'll have a look, but I just got internet access back, been in the jungle for a couple days. --kelapstick(on the run) 09:56, 19 November 2015 (UTC)
 * I hope you're ok and out of the jungle, Kelapstick. A reminder that we'll need your response, if you're participating, within about eight hours. Tony   (talk)  02:56, 20 November 2015 (UTC)
 * I'm still in the jungle, I just happened to get internet yesterday. I don't think I'll have time. In reality I'm probably to late now. --kelapstick(on the run) 07:59, 20 November 2015 (UTC)

ArbCom elections are now open!
MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 16:32, 23 November 2015 (UTC)

Kinross Gold
I don't know if Kinross Gold is still on your watch list but it has undergone a large amount of edits by User:WSDavitt. The article now includes statements like "Kinross is on the verge of insolvency", "Continuing Kinross' practice of overpaying for assets", "Due Diligence Was Grossly Inadequate", "Shareholders Were Misled About the Value of Assets Being Acquired", "Unreliable Estimates of Proven and Probable Reserves ", and so on, mostlty unreferenced. To me there seems to be an agenda there by the editor in question. What do you think? Calistemon (talk) 04:46, 21 November 2015 (UTC)
 * A look at the history tempts me to revert the article to this version from 13 October 2014, the last one before this edit spurt starting on 16 August 2015.Calistemon (talk) 04:49, 21 November 2015 (UTC)

User talk:WSDavitt The information is based on the publicly available documents from Kinross Gold's public securities filings and newspaper reports. Nothing controversial. —Preceding undated comment added 04:59, 21 November 2015 (UTC)


 * Wow. I am at a loss. Calistemon, I just did a mass revert. I recall that Prof Wong had a coi as well. But I may be misremembering. Revet back to where you think is best of you like. I've been in Indonesia for the last week and I'm not sure when I will get back to a proper computer to write a good message, would you be able to handle that? There may be some merit in some of the sources, but I'm not able to check each one individually at the moment.
 * WSDavitt if you think that dumping corporate corporate earnings under the heading "Unreliable Estimates of Proven and Probable Reserves - 6.0 Million Ounce Adjustment - 2010 to 2014" is in any way meeting our neutral point of view policy, you are grossly mistaken. --05:06, 21 November 2015 (UTC)~
 * I will try to keep an eye on it but I think your revert was appropriate given the amount of weasel words were in the article at the time. WSDavitt, please have a read of WP:WEASEL, it will explain why phrases like "Kinross is on the verge of insolvency" are inappropriate unless supported by a reliable source. You might find out more about reliable sources at Identifying reliable sources. Most of your references were from Kinross Gold itself, a primary source, which should be used with caution according to WP:WPNOTRS. Calistemon (talk) 06:04, 21 November 2015 (UTC)

Hello, I'm WSDavitt. Thank you for your feedback. Regarding Kinross Gold and the section "Tasiast Acquisition - One of the Largest Securities and Accounting Frauds in Canadian History" referenced to this the better references are the Canadian court decisions dealing with this issue. See Bayens v Kinross - https://www.canlii.org/en/on/onsc/doc/2013/2013onsc6864/2013onsc6864.html?searchUrlHash=AAAAAQAGYmF5ZW5zAAAAAAE&resultIndex=7 and https://www.canlii.org/en/on/onca/doc/2014/2014onca901/2014onca901.html?searchUrlHash=AAAAAQAGYmF5ZW5zAAAAAAE&resultIndex=9. These cases were referenced in the article (but have being deleted). Please note the cases in Canada and the US were settled and tens of millions dollars were paid out by Kinross. Kinross has not offered any meaningful explanation for the $8 billion of losses incurred during the 3 or 4 years after the Tasiast acquisition.

Hi, it's WSDavitt Thank you for your comments. Regarding the 6.0 million ounce decrease in reported gold reserves at Paracatu, the amount of reserves are reported in the Annual Reports published by Kinross. This isn't a controversial issue. Is your preference to describe this a "significant changes" in the reported reserves rather than "unreliable"? I am interested in your comments and would like the deleted content in the article restored. The Kinross story related to Tasiast is a very interesting story including a class action lawsuit, bribery allegations, etc. My post notes the inconsistencies in statements made by Kinross at various points in time. (talk) 13:04, 21 November 2015 (UTC)

Hi, it's WSDavitt Regarding Kinross' financial position I note that the credit rating for Kinross was downgraded earlier this year. The Ba1 rating is non-investment grade. This supports the statement that Kinross has insolvency concerns. In addition, the gold price has decreased significantly. See https://www.moodys.com/research/Moodys-Downgrades-Kinross-to-Ba1-Outlook-Negative--PR_320647 WSDavitt (talk) 19:18, 21 November 2015 (UTC)WSDavitt
 * The source you list for this does not state in any form that "Kinross is on the verge of insolvency", its a conclusion you have drawn which contravence WP:WEASEL ("Weasel words are words and phrases aimed at creating an impression that something specific and meaningful has been said, when in fact only a vague or ambiguous claim has been communicated."). As a matter of fact, the source states "Kinross has very good liquidity", which completely contradicts your claim rather then support it. Calistemon (talk) 22:53, 21 November 2015 (UTC)

OpenPAT
Hello Kelapstick. I agree with you that the "Vandalism" section should be on the talk page. Thanks for pointing that out. I also agree the page should be protected because of edits today. However, what does that mean for updates? does that mean we have to go through you to for example update the project status section if it changes? User talk:Npcomp 07:16, 27 November 2015 (UTC)
 * you don't have to go through me personally, you can add an edit request to the talk page, such as Edit fully-protected, along with the requested change. --kelapstick(bainuu) 08:38, 27 November 2015 (UTC)

An apology
Hi Kelapstick, Bit random but I wanted to apologize for this comment earlier today, Reading it back now it comes across rather shitty which wasn't my intention at all so I apologize for that,

To be absolutely honest this week's been absolute crap and well I've been snappy with everyone so please don't take it personally,

Anyway sorry again, Thanks and Have a great day :) – Davey 2010 Talk 22:32, 3 December 2015 (UTC)
 * No apology necessary, I took no offence at all. Thanks for stopping by. Cheers, --kelapstick(bainuu) 23:19, 3 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Ah okay well I'm glad I didn't offend you :), No worries, Thanks, – Davey 2010 Talk 23:24, 3 December 2015 (UTC)

User: Drmies
How did you undid one of my contributions because it a category vandalism which is inappropriate for Drmies user page. Why did you reverted it back to bad way it have secretly explained in my head. I just found out that the other editors on anon classified Drmies as a racist some while ago which is bad. I suggest you change it back way it is with some explaining to do or i will revert back that i changed. I know Drmies is a good editor and a administrator but i don't want Drmies userpage to look so bad with bad offensive and misleading categories which will mislead some editors or gone off looking his userpage for good. Who will change it me or you --<b style="font-family:Helvetica Neue;color:#FF4500">Angry Bald English Villian Man</b> Chat  23:16, 6 December 2015 (UTC)
 * All of those categories were added by Drmies; it's not category vandalism. If you have an issue with them I suggest you bring them up with Drmies. --kelapstick(on the run) 23:20, 6 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Drmies would like uninvited people to not screw around on their user page. No one should mess with other people's comments, ahem. Drmies (talk) 02:26, 7 December 2015 (UTC)
 * I never could master the semicolon. --kelapstick(bainuu) 03:30, 7 December 2015 (UTC)
 * It's not easy. I had a hard time with it my first year in the US--punctuation goes differently overseas. Now I can't look at Dutch writing without pulling out my red pen. How's the weather? Is your Christmas tree up? Do you get to go home at all? Drmies (talk) 14:57, 7 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Weather is a consistent 15-20 during the day. And rain almost every day. I don't get home till mid February, but there are "trees" up all over the place. As for our tree at home, I put it up before I left (because I had to bring it in from the garage), however it's only decorated as high as the kids can reach for now (although that may have changed since last night). --kelapstick(on the run) 18:28, 7 December 2015 (UTC)

Congratulations (and you've got email)
Welcome to the 2016 Arbitration Committee. A few moments ago, you should have received an email from me asking you such simple questions as what email address you want to use for committee business. Welcome! Courcelles (talk) 19:51, 9 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Thank you, I should be able to get back to you this afternoon. --kelapstick(bainuu) 20:33, 9 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Congrats! :-)  Smallbones( smalltalk ) 21:07, 9 December 2015 (UTC)


 * Congratulations! Don't get too burned out. Mz7 (talk) 21:50, 9 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Congratulations Kelapstick :). – Davey 2010 Talk 21:57, 9 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Congrats, Kelapstick, and thanks for stepping up to improve the project. NorthBySouthBaranof (talk) 01:11, 10 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Much thanks all! --kelapstick(on the run) 05:11, 10 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Congratulations and Best Wishes Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 14:36, 10 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Congrats. :) --Tito Dutta (talk) 21:25, 10 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Congrats! Looking forward to the next few years. ~ Super  Hamster  Talk Contribs 21:36, 10 December 2015 (UTC)

A cookie for you!
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L235 has given you a cookie! Cookies promote WikiLove and hopefully this one has made your day better. You can spread the WikiLove by giving someone else a cookie, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past or a good friend.

Congratulations on your election to the Arbitration Committee! Interestingly, FYI, you had the second-lowest number of opposes out of the entire election. Congrats, and I look forward to working with you (as a clerk)!

To spread the goodness of cookies, you can add {{subst:Cookie}} to someone's talk page with a friendly message, or eat this cookie on the giver's talk page with {{subst:munch}}!

L235 (t / c / ping in reply ) 03:17, 10 December 2015 (UTC)
 * It is an interesting set of numbers for sure. Thanks, looking forward to it as well. --kelapstick(bainuu) 03:19, 10 December 2015 (UTC)

Edit Quest!

 * Doubt I will have the time this week. --kelapstick(bainuu) 01:10, 17 December 2015 (UTC)

Selection in Arbitration Committee
Hello Kelapstick, congratulations on your appointment to the WP:AC. I am sure that you will serve the committee to the best of your abilities. Keep up the good work. Cheers, Arun Kumar SINGH (Talk)  17:56, 15 December 2015 (UTC)


 * Hi Kelapstick. I would like to join with these congratulations. Beagel (talk) 18:29, 15 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Much thanks to both of you. Cheers, --kelapstick(bainuu) 19:28, 15 December 2015 (UTC)


 * Congratulations! Or is it condolences? In either case, THANKS. Lady  of  Shalott  02:40, 19 December 2015 (UTC)

Commiserations
Oh dear, oh dear. Bishonen &#124; talk 19:30, 15 December 2015 (UTC).
 * My dear, this all could have been avoided, had you run yourself. Unless I have done something else wrong already. --kelapstick(bainuu) 19:40, 15 December 2015 (UTC)

Wikiclaus Cheer !

 * You sure know how to do Christmas cards Michael. A merry Christmas and Happy New Year to you! --kelapstick(on the run) 11:12, 20 December 2015 (UTC)

Best wishes for the holidays...



 * Thanks Haffy, a Merry Christmas, and all the best for the new year to you as well. --kelapstick(bainuu) 19:41, 23 December 2015 (UTC)

78.26's RFA Appreciation award

 * My pleasure, welcome aboard. If you have any questions, feel free to drop by. --kelapstick(bainuu) 20:30, 24 December 2015 (UTC)

Talk:Arraial da Ajuda
Hello Kelapstick. Similarly, I also see no need to keep it. Anyway, do as you please and thanks for the warning. --HVL talk 14:19, 24 December 2015 (UTC)

Season's Greetings

 * Why thank you, and a Merry Christmas, and happy new year to you as well. --kelapstick(bainuu) 20:29, 24 December 2015 (UTC)

Sockpuppet account(s) of Caidin
The account you blocked a few minutes ago, Vhs-dvd-vhs2, is pretty much guaranteed to be the most recent sockpuppet account of Caidin Johnson. The references to "Wubbzy Song" and "BreakABall" are amongst his current tactics. You might want to add the "Wikipedia sockpuppets of Caidin-Johnson" category to the user profile page so it's tagged properly.

There's another account you might want to look into. Idkradical96 made an edit to one of the same pages (Bubble gum) 39 minutes prior to the edit by the Vhs-dvd-vhs2 account, but that account was created within 4 minutes of the last edit by the Idkradical96. Another similarity is the interest in the state of Florida, which is where I've been able to figure out where Caidin is located. If the Checkuser report shows the IPs of both accounts are from the same geographical area, then it becomes very likely that both accounts are his.

Caidin has been just as much of a problem over on Wikia's wikis, so I've been helping out with trying to fend him off over there. If requested, I can supply a list of the accounts he's used on Wikia. There's a few patterns in his choices, which might help with detecting him here. Some are pretty much blatant, such as "IAmCaidin" or "CAIDIN2000Returns". —RRabbit42 (talk) 01:32, 29 December 2015 (UTC)

Please
Could you help me by taking a look at the article about Clara Henry. I dont understand why the External links section doesnt show when I save the edits. Regards,--BabbaQ (talk) 19:51, 29 December 2015 (UTC)
 * , you were using rather than or for your references. Should be fixed now.--kelapstick(bainuu) 19:54, 29 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Thank you for your assistance!--BabbaQ (talk) 19:54, 29 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Any time. --kelapstick(bainuu) 19:55, 29 December 2015 (UTC)

Baseball with pending changes not taken off when article is semied indef
The article Baseball appears to have pending changes while it has indefinite semi-protection. Can you please remove the pending changes? (Perhaps add a reason that says "Persistant vandalism: restore indef semi, too much vandalism") Qwertyxp2000 (talk &#124; contribs) 01:06, 30 December 2015 (UTC)
 * ✅, it really should have had no effect, since semiprotection is a higher level of protection that PC1, however it is redundant. --kelapstick(bainuu) 01:31, 30 December 2015 (UTC)

Signpost Arbitration interview request
Excuse me. I am lead writer for the Signpost's "Arbitration Report" and am wondering if you would be interested in answering some interviews questions as a newly elected Arbitrator. The questions will be asked through email, unless answering them here would be a more suitable choice. GamerPro64 22:37, 29 December 2015 (UTC)
 * That depends, are the questions as ridiculous as the last set of ArbCom related questions the Signpost put out? Feel free to email them to me.--kelapstick(bainuu) 22:41, 29 December 2015 (UTC)


 * Thanks, I saw the ones you left on GW's talk page, I should be able to get to them tonight/tomorrow. Cheers, --kelapstick(bainuu) 04:02, 30 December 2015 (UTC)

Best wishes for the holidays...

 * Thanks ! --kelapstick(bainuu) 19:36, 29 December 2015 (UTC)
 * OH, ah, you did noticed it, even if it was hidden.... Hafspajen (talk) 19:36, 29 December 2015 (UTC)



Hello Kelapstick
Thanks again for your help over at User_talk:Magog_the_Ogre. I made a new list. The Quixotic Potato (talk) 22:46, 8 January 2016 (UTC)
 * I will have a look, thanks. --kelapstick(bainuu) 22:47, 8 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Thank you. I think some of these pages are quite fascinating, in a way, but they are not very useful imho. The Quixotic Potato (talk) 22:51, 8 January 2016 (UTC)
 * I am going through them, a lot can be deleted. I certainly don't mind you bringing this up here, but you can also nominate for deletion (either speedy deletion or via MfD) if you like as well. --kelapstick(bainuu) 22:54, 8 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Thank you! At the moment it is easier for me to ask you to determine which ones should be deleted for which reason but I will try to learn all the different templates (U5/G6/G11 et cetera) to delete stuff, and when to use which one. The Quixotic Potato (talk) 23:07, 8 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Well sure, that's easier for you, ha! I have deleted most of them. A lot of those accounts could be blocked for shared and/or corporate accounts. But they are so old, that it's hardly worth the effort. Thanks for dropping these off. --kelapstick(bainuu) 23:09, 8 January 2016 (UTC)


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 * User talk:Finatics/sandbox
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Response to mail
Hi there, seen you email. Thanks for that, I think it was just a troll. No, it's not my name, not even close. The only interaction I had with the IP was after it made edits to a page, I fixed one of the headers from "Books Published" to "Books published", and one of the headers was giving a nesting of =, so I fixed it to ==, explained in an edit summary why I was making the changes. I guess the IP didn't like what I did, reverted and left the message. It's funny how some people get upset even when you make small common manual of style edits. Cmr08 (talk) 01:34, 9 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Sounds good, It's undone. Thanks, --kelapstick(bainuu) 01:50, 9 January 2016 (UTC)

2016

 * Thank you, and all the best to you and the missus in 2016 as well. --kelapstick(bainuu) 00:45, 31 December 2015 (UTC)

Happy New Year, Kelapstick!
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Happy New Year! Kelapstick, Have a prosperous, productive and enjoyable New Year, and thanks for your contributions to Wikipedia. Liz <sup style="font-family:Times New Roman;"><b style="color:#006400;">Read!</b> <b style="color:#006400;">Talk!</b> 20:52, 1 January 2016 (UTC)


 * Send New Year cheer by adding {{subst:Happy New Year fireworks}} to user talk pages.

2016
<div style="background:grey; padding: 10px; border-top: 3px solid red border-bottom: 3px solid red 8px; font-size: 110%; font-family:Tahoma; text-align: center;">  Michael Q. Schmidt  talkback '''is wishing you a Happy New Year! This message celebrates the season, promotes good cheer, and hopefully makes your day a little brighter. So please spread cheer by wishing another user a Happy New Year, whether it be a good friend, someone with whom you had disagreements in the past, or just some random person.
 * Thank you, I am over five hours in, and it still feels like 2015! --kelapstick(bainuu) 20:41, 31 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Like the sound bite?  Schmidt,  Michael Q. 20:50, 31 December 2015 (UTC)
 * I don't have speakers at the moment, will have to check this evening. --kelapstick(bainuu) 20:53, 31 December 2015 (UTC)

Katch 22
I wonder if you could restore the deleted revisions of the page Draft:Katch 22? I had nominated it for deletion and then was conversing with the creator and another editor with an interest in editing it, and I forgot about the MfD before I went away for a few days. I see it's been deleted, and an older draft moved over the page from the creator's user space. Since it seems they intend to continue working on it and the deleted version is much better (and includes other declined AfC submissions) I think it would be better to restore the larger article. Thanks for your help. Ivanvector 🍁 (talk) 16:48, 2 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Ugh. That's going to be a bit of a mess. I'll have a look tomorrow if someone doesn't beat me to it. --kelapstick(bainuu) 20:34, 2 January 2016 (UTC)
 * ✅ - with a note on their talk page. --kelapstick(bainuu) 21:29, 3 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Thanks, and sorry about the mess. Happy new year! Ivanvector 🍁 (talk) 14:59, 4 January 2016 (UTC)

Final Years End DOG Show !!!!
Hafspajen (talk) 21:07, 30 December 2015 (UTC)
 * I saw the edit summary on my watchlist and said to myself, "Cool, will be in a dog show, wonder if she will win best of show".  Darn, it's just more photos of dogs without any toy poodles.  My two poodles think you don't like them.  Hmmm, I wonder what the popular dogs are in Mongolia?  Bgwhite (talk) 22:16, 30 December 2015 (UTC)


 * Dogs aren't that common in Mongolia, just mutts mainly. I haven't been to Mongolia in over two years though, I have seen some strays here in Indonesia. --kelapstick(bainuu) 22:21, 30 December 2015 (UTC)


 * I like the yawning wolf. I recognize myself in it. Except that if I were a dog I'd be a mangy mutt. Drmies (talk) 15:05, 9 January 2016 (UTC)

Improper edit beneath page protection
Just so you know this edit is problematic because it corrects the page to your preferred version and is an example of an abrogation of WP:ADMINBESTPRACTICE. You can either choose to revert the page or protect the page, but not both.

jps (talk) 19:12, 29 December 2015 (UTC)


 * , I do not have a preferred version. There is an active RfC on just that subject, and I returned it to the status before the RfC. At the end of the RfC, it can be changed to whatever is decided.--kelapstick(bainuu) 19:34, 29 December 2015 (UTC)


 * Whether you have a preferred version or not, the fact is that you 1) protected the page, and then, 2) reverted after you protected. That simple course of action necessarily means you took a side in the edit dispute, whether you intended to do that or not, and because you have admin tools you are able to make your choice be the accepted version. There is no precedent or rule or standard practice that says one has to "return" a page to a "status before the RfC" when protecting a page. This is just a preference you have for the way forward. jps (talk) 19:40, 29 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Actually there is, its our protection policy. Since protecting the most current version sometimes rewards edit warring by establishing a contentious revision, administrators may also revert to an old version of the page predating the edit war if such a clear point exists. The clear point is prior to the RfC, which is what the dispute was about. Rather than simply revert, as there were a pair of unrelated edits by QuackGuru, I just changed the part in dispute back to the status quo before the RfC. --kelapstick(bainuu) 19:50, 29 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Your identification of the status quo in necessarily taking a side in the dispute. The WP:PREFER policy says "may" intentionally. It is not at all clear that the point prior to the RfC is the proper point of departure since there is no policy that says that text has to be static through a RfC. jps (talk) 20:05, 29 December 2015 (UTC)
 * I was brought there while patrolling RFPP because there was a "slow burning edit war", I reverted the subject of dispute to the point before the edit war, as permitted by our protection policy, which coincided with the status before the RfC. I used administrative discretion. The fact that you don't like the outcome does not make me wrong in my actions. --kelapstick(bainuu) 20:11, 29 December 2015 (UTC)

Please understand that "administrative discretion" in this case looks to those of us like myself who object to your reasoning as a kind of heavy-handed "I get my way because I have the tools" argument. jps (talk) 20:23, 29 December 2015 (UTC)

According to you the text should be per status quo. It was in the lede before. It was removed in 2015. Please restore to the last consensus version before it was removed. QuackGuru ( talk ) 20:44, 29 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Per this post, which tracks with diffs that "biomedical" never included "and health" in the lede, shows the reasoning for the RFC. The change was edit warred in, and some of it still remains. kelapstick did not abuse anything, but returned part of the page to its pre RFC stable version. WP is not governed by might of numbers in a revert war, but by discussion and consensus. Waiting for the close of the RFC is a sound administrative decision.  AlbinoFerret  20:55, 29 December 2015 (UTC)


 * WP:PREFER is policy and it says an admin can revert to the point before an edit war began. There was an ongoing edit war.  Kelapstick correctly protected the page because of an edit war.  Again per WP:PREFER, it says, ...administrators may also revert to an old version of the page predating the edit war if such a clear point exists.  Kelapstick had the protection expire when the edit war will be resolved by the RFC.  It is common practice to lift page protection when consensus is reached.  This is what the RFC will do.  Notice, there was NO mention of the RFC for the why and how of page protection.  Kelapstick has not been involved in the RFC and acted as an uninvolved admin.  He acted because of a request at WP:RFPP.  One of ~20 such requests Kelapstick acted upon that day at RFPP.
 * It has NOTHING to do with the RFC. It is independent of the RFC.  It all about an edit war and Kelapstick has followed policy. Bgwhite (talk) 21:57, 29 December 2015 (UTC)
 * It is good that Admins are accountable and that such judgments can be questioned.
 * OTOH, decisions that are matters of immediate judgment by someone in the field ought to be given some deference. It is better to act from reason than to hide from fear.  We need Admins who are proactive, and not to perversely punish the vigilant.  I think Kelapstick was close enough to the action and policy, and made a reasonable interpretation.  It can be reviewed and corrected, but only if it is plainly wrong in light of a full and reasoned later review.  <b style="color:#060">7&amp;6=thirteen</b> (<b style="color:#000">☎</b>) 22:48, 29 December 2015 (UTC)
 * I would strongly recommend that admins who protect pages don't revert back to previous versions after (or immediately before) applying the protection. I think that applying the section of WP:PREFER which allows but in no way requires this kind of behavior is way too close to a license to invite controversy and pushes the already problematic aspect of page protection into a regime of neutrality blurriness with respect to WP:INVOLVED. Of course, admins will circle wagons in these situations, but an easier way to avoid it is to just do the protection and let the conflict become resolved afterwards. Reverting after protecting a page is the equivalent to a cynical push on the scale (even if that was not the intention of the admin). jps (talk) 18:39, 30 December 2015 (UTC)

Congrats
Congrats on your shiny new fez. When do we get to see a photo? Bgwhite (talk) 05:08, 8 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Unfortunately Commons:Category:Eleventh Doctor doesn't have any with the fez. I have to get one to go with my tweed jacket and bow tie, because bow ties are cool. --kelapstick(bainuu) 05:10, 8 January 2016 (UTC)
 * I see wearing the bow tie because he is an academic.  I see you more as the Indian Jones type... off around the world seeking golden treasures.  I'm in a big, oversized t-shirt with food stains all over because I'm a slob.  When you gather for your first Arbcom social, I think you should all wear a clown outfit.  Atleast that is how most people see Arb people as. Bgwhite (talk) 23:47, 8 January 2016 (UTC)
 * I do own a hemp Tilley hat (surprised that's still red), that looks like an Indiana Jones hat. Lifetime warranty (they replaced one for me for free already).--kelapstick(bainuu) 00:03, 9 January 2016 (UTC)
 * It's only right-wing academics and jokers who wear bow ties. I wear something European that is too tight for me. Drmies (talk) 01:46, 9 January 2016 (UTC)
 * I really wish you hadn't said that... --kelapstick(bainuu) 01:49, 9 January 2016 (UTC)
 * My beauty is my curse, dear Kelapstick. You can dream of it and enjoy it; I have to live with it every day. It would be better if I had to work for it; as a Calvinist I could then say I earned it. Alas--'tis all God-given, comes to me without effort. Drmies (talk) 15:07, 9 January 2016 (UTC)
 * After getting over the waves of nausea, I really wish I had your great witticism.  Bgwhite (talk) 19:54, 9 January 2016 (UTC)

Yardarm
No such thing really, I'm just suggesting that, regardless of all the evidence of incivility, there's clear evidence of abuse of admin tools based on involved blocks. If you don't see that, or agree with that, I understand, but as I said, if that's how this plays out, that's why Arbcom is a laughing stock. The very least you lot can do is to get the guts to examine all aspects of this behaviour. Just because this editor appears to be some kind of a hero at rejecting bad editors, it doesn't mean he should be allowed to (a) curse unreservedly and (b) block while involved. The Rambling Man (talk) 20:41, 17 January 2016 (UTC)
 * I agree with your two points, and I would like to try to take care of it via motion first to see if we can solve the (a) problem, leading to a change in behavior, rather than a full case (which may come in time). With regards to the (b) problem, I hope that we can handle that as part of the motion as well. --kelapstick(bainuu) 20:54, 17 January 2016 (UTC)
 * If there's insufficient support at this case to pursue it, how does that happen? You are all declining to accept it.  That will end with no action, right?  The Rambling Man (talk) 20:59, 17 January 2016 (UTC)
 * If a full case is declined, a motion can be raised by any arbitrator, is my understanding. --kelapstick(bainuu) 21:09, 17 January 2016 (UTC)
 * It's part of the evidence of abuse that forms this case. That you and the other arbs have conveniently overlooked it is shocking.  The Rambling Man (talk) 21:21, 17 January 2016 (UTC)

Proficient
"Proficient" (italicized, too). Did you mean "prolific"? "Prodigious"? Bishonen &#124; talk 21:38, 18 January 2016 (UTC).
 * No, I really meant proficient. I don't think that proficiency in profanity is under dispute, italics suggested I may have been putting it... mildly. I speak in codes, unfortunately, nobody (including myself) has the codebook. --kelapstick(bainuu) 21:41, 18 January 2016 (UTC)
 * I really need to get myself a This users utilizes profanity at an expert level infobox. --kelapstick(bainuu) 21:43, 18 January 2016 (UTC)

CIWS- FM
Hi there, I noticed my page has been locked. I have some new information to post on the page and wondering what the process is to unlock the page. I am new to editing pages and realize that there has been multiple attempts to edit today from different accounts. We did not intend to use multiple accounts and would like to use this account to make changes. Thank you!

Scooter19762016 (talk) 01:10, 20 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Responded on user's talk page. --kelapstick(bainuu) 01:17, 20 January 2016 (UTC)

Pings
I see you have a sneaky plan to stay ahead of me in the article competition! Usually I can figure out why an edit intended to generate a ping didn't, but this one confused me. Then I realized it's because you edited with your mobile account but the sig links here to your main account. I'm pretty sure that shouldn't work. Does it? Opabinia regalis (talk) 09:56, 25 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Hmmmm. I thought it should work as long as you used tildes. self ping to test. --kelapstick(on the run) 10:26, 25 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Looks like it doesn't work. Well that's disappointing. --kelapstick(bainuu) 10:35, 25 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Pings are so great, until you find the edge cases where they totally suck. Opabinia regalis (talk) 17:31, 25 January 2016 (UTC)
 * I may have to change my sock signature. --kelapstick(on the run) 21:37, 25 January 2016 (UTC)

Arbcom
Hi Kelapstick,

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