User talk:Kudpung/Archive Jul 2013

Are you willing to let me back, having learned my lesson?
Hello Kudpung, I'm not evading the block you placed on me nearly a year ago. This is a large request. Would you be willing to consider letting me (Anderson), back? I've learned my lesson, i will follow all restrictions, I will stay away from WP:PERM and i will return to contributing to articles.

Thanks!--111.69.181.154 (talk) 05:00, 1 July 2013 (UTC)


 * Stalking a bit: This is evading by itself, but I'm not wanting to be bureaucratic about it. Personally, If I were to even entertain the idea, I would want to see a topic ban on CVUA and anything admin related.  And I would want to research a bit. I'm not convinced the competence is there.  It wasn't before. Dennis Brown &#124; 2¢ &#124;  WER  09:24, 1 July 2013 (UTC)


 * (From another talk page stalker) His request, via UTRS, has also been posted at Administrators' noticeboard/Archive250. Voceditenore (talk) 12:54, 1 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Kudpung, you're the last admin to modify his block. I suggest unlocking User talk:Anderson so he can respond there. Thanks, EdJohnston (talk) 14:57, 1 July 2013 (UTC)
 * I have commented on the ANI discussion. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 05:46, 2 July 2013 (UTC)

Need eyes on Emmanuel College (Queensland)
Hi Kudpung. Could you keep an eye on Emmanuel College (Queensland). Semi-protection expired yesterday and the IP (pretty obviously the litigant) immediately resumed edit-warring to use the article as a soapbox for his law suit. See my comments at Talk:Emmanuel College (Queensland). See also Articles for creation/Rowe v Emmanuel College (created by a user with the same name as the litigant). Best, Voceditenore (talk) 06:46, 2 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Page protected. There's not much  I  can do about  the AfC because I  don't  know how to  use the special tools they  have, but  you  might  wish  to  put a heads up  on  the WT:AFC for the reviewers in  case it  slips through. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 07:02, 2 July 2013 (UTC)

FYI
PantherLeapord (talk) 09:41, 2 July 2013 (UTC)

Just to let you know
I have mentioned you on my talk page. XOttawahitech (talk) 23:43, 3 July 2013 (UTC)


 * Yes, I saw it  already. My  own  thoughts are that  banned/indeffed and clearly retireed users are not  what are supposed to  be on the 'missing  editors' list. That  list  is essentially for prolific users who, for some reason, have suddenly  stopped editing  and no longer respond to  messages or emails. Furthermore, Wikipedia projects are not  able to  create walled gardens, anyone can post  on  any  areas that  are under the tutelage of a project whether invited or not. Cheers, Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 23:49, 3 July 2013 (UTC)

Adoption
Hiya,

I see that User:Avinendra is awaiting adoption. I've already confirmed, and he said he would want someone to adopt him. Would you be free to do that?

Also, could you tell me how many more adoptees would/could you take? Just so I know if I've to forward any more adoptees to you :)

TheOriginalSoni (talk) 11:41, 4 July 2013 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the confidence, but I  don't  do  adoptions. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 13:13, 4 July 2013 (UTC)


 * Okay now I'm confused. I think I did see you offering an adoption to a user somewhere, which is why I was under the impression you did.
 * Also, could I interest you into taking an adoptee or two? :) TheOriginalSoni (talk) 13:31, 4 July 2013 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the confidence again, but I don't do adoptions and never did. You're probably confusing  me with  someone else. My  schedule with  Wikipedia is already  full  to  overflowing, and although it  appears that  I  am  on Wiki 24/7 (I very  often am) I  do also  have a very  busy  RL. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 13:38, 4 July 2013 (UTC)


 * No worries. Thanks, and sorry for the mistake. If I come across the post that ended up confusing me. I'll surely show it to you.
 * Also, I'll request you to consider doing so in the future. We just dont have enough people ready to help the transition of the newer editors :)
 * Cheers, and thank you.
 * TheOriginalSoni (talk) 14:40, 4 July 2013 (UTC)


 * Hello,
 * I noted that we were in requirement of CVUA instructors. Would my services for the same be required?
 * Also, I note that the CVUA Academy courses depend strictly on the adopter involved. I was wondering what would happen if we shift the way these courses are designed so its the same course at a unified location for everyone, and everyone lends a hand? Specifically, I was impressed with the efficiency with which User:Jackson Peebles has his adopt a user course running. TheOriginalSoni (talk) 08:16, 6 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Sounds like a good idea. I suggest  you  discuss it  with  Jackson. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 14:30, 6 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Eventually, I'd like to incorporate CVUA into my Adoption course. That'll take time, though, since they're so distinct.  However, anyone is free to edit my lessons if it makes them better!  Just like everything else here, it's collaborative.  Almost all of it is based on User:Go Phightins!, anyhow.  --Jackson Peebles (talk) 17:40, 6 July 2013 (UTC)


 * Hey Jackson,
 * I am of the opinion that the two courses must remain distinct from each other, at least for now. While adoption has a vandalism chapter of its own, CVUA is a good way to get those involved who might otherwise not be interested in learning everything/ doing everything here.
 * But I do like the idea of a structured course for CVUA.
 * TheOriginalSoni (talk) 19:39, 6 July 2013 (UTC)

My RFPERM
I thought it only seemed fair to give some explanation regarding my immediate use of STiki when I came to the project, and to ask a question of my own. I don't make much of a secret of my past on Wikipedia, but I've edited this site since 2007 (even admitting as much here). I lost the password to my previous account, so I created Signalizing. I decided to jump into RC Patrolling, after doing it on Wikia, and having done that previously on my original account (even having been approved to use VandalProof after 2 months of work). My understanding of Rollback is that it's no big deal. Is that a farce? I'm somewhat confused as to the rationale for my denial, and why there's such a disparity of standards between admins for granting a rollback button. Signalizing (talk) 01:00, 5 July 2013 (UTC)
 * I just wanted to mention that gaining rollback certainly wasn't my intention with this post. I merely wanted to understand the thought process and rationale behind the initial denial. Signalizing (talk) 01:11, 5 July 2013 (UTC)


 * These minor rights might not be a big deal, but you'd be surprised how many of the requests come from new users who are simply hat collecting. You've probably noticed that the vast majority of requests for perms get declined. Most admins probably don't look much further than the edit count tool and the contributions log to verify accurate vandal patrolling - quite understandably so. It would have helped significantly if you had provided the above background in your request. Right now accorded. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 01:16, 5 July 2013 (UTC)
 * You're absolutely right. In retrospect, I should have mentioned that initially, and I apologize for any confusion. I naïvely thought that the accuracy of my reverts, AIV reports, and time here would speak for itself. Out of sheer curiosity, what do you typically look for when you grant permissions, as far as an edit count goes? I've heard of admins declining requests unless they see 1,000 mainspace contributions. Signalizing (talk) 01:26, 5 July 2013 (UTC)

Fromm WP:ROLLBACK: While there is no fixed requirement, a request is unlikely to be successful without a contribution history that demonstrates an ability to distinguish well intentioned edits with minor issues from unconstructive vandalism. There are no fixed guidelines for rollback and it  depends entirely  on  admin  discretion. It's something admins don't  discuss among  themselves, noted that  there are very few admins who  actually  work  on PERMS. Those who do  so  regularly  more or less appear to use similar criteria. What we look  for is an overall  edit  count  of around 500 or more to  article space with a couple of hundred correct  manual  reverts of clear cases of vandalism, and without  having  to  examine every  edit  to  see what  it  was. The ES is therefore very important,  even if using  Twinkle. We also  check  block  logs, and the users' talk  pages for other warnings because a degree of general maturity/competency  also  needs to  be determined. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 01:37, 5 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Thank you for your prompt responses and for trusting me with the tool. Signalizing (talk) 05:09, 5 July 2013 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!
Wow! Thanks :) Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 15:09, 5 July 2013 (UTC)

How to put Status Legend
How to put the Status Legend of me in here just like yours? Can you help me to put mine just like yours, but different Status Legend. Thanks.

Jianhui67 (talk) 17:29, 5 July 2013 (UTC)


 * Copy the contents of the grey box below and paste it into  your vector.js page. Clear your browser cache,  then reload your talk  and user pages. It  should work. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 17:41, 5 July 2013 (UTC)

/* Status changer puts a coloured blob in the top  bar  of your user page and talk  page to  notify  users of your online status */ //////////STATUS CHANGER // Creator: Misza13 // Credits: Voyagerfan5761 for some minor improvements // Modified by Xenocidic to simply use /Status as a one word indicator, // Modified by Kraftlos to include Sleep status // compatible with for display addOnloadHook(function { //Check if the config is defined  if (typeof(statusChangerConfig) == 'undefined') {    statusChangerConfig = {}  }  if (typeof(statusChangerConfig.statusList) == 'undefined') {      statusChangerConfig.statusList = [ 'online', 'busy', 'around', 'offline', 'sleep' ];  }  if (typeof(statusChangerConfig.statusPage) == 'undefined') {      statusChangerConfig.statusPage = 'User:' + wgUserName + '/Status';  }  //Add the links  for (var i=0; i<statusChangerConfig.statusList.length; i++) {    var stat = statusChangerConfig.statusList[i];    var message = (stat === "sleep") ?  link = "asleep" : link = stat;    addPortletLink( "p-personal", //target tab - personal links wgServer + wgScript + "?title=" + statusChangerConfig.statusPage + "&action=edit&newstatus=" + stat, //link URL stat, //link text "pt-status-" + stat, //id of new button "I'm " + message + "!", //hover text "", //???     document.getElementById("pt-logout")); //add before logout button  }  if (location.href.indexOf("&action=edit&newstatus=") == -1) return; //Are we here to auto-edit the status?  //Get new status  statusRegExp = /&action=edit&newstatus=(.*)/;  var status = statusRegExp.exec(location.href)[1];  //Modify the form  document.getElementById('wpTextbox1').value = status;  if (status == "sleep")  { status = "sleeping"; }  document.getElementById('wpSummary').value = wgUserName + " is now " + status +".";  document.getElementById('wpMinoredit').checked = true;  //Submit it!  document.getElementById('editform').submit; });

//

What is the vector.js page? Jianhui67 (talk) 16:32, 6 July 2013 (UTC)

Why don't you just do it for me? Jianhui67 (talk) 17:29, 6 July 2013 (UTC)


 * Perhaps because of the notice on the top  of this talk  page (the one about  being  busy) which  I  would expect  users to  respect, except  for urgent  issues requiring  my  intervention  as an admin. There's nothing  urgent  about  your  request, but  if I  get  time over the weekend, I'll  see what  I  can do. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 17:49, 6 July 2013 (UTC)


 * Then I thank you in advance. Jianhui67 (talk) 18:03, 6 July 2013 (UTC)


 * I have created the page for you at  User:Jianhui67/vector.js and inserted the code. You  must  now go  to  your user preferences (I can't  do  that  for you) and check  that  you  are using  the 'vector' skin as your default  skin  for viewing  and editing  Wikipedia. Then clear your browser cache. It  should work, but  if it  doesn't, don't  hesitate to  ask  another user who  uses the same script,  such  as user:Callanecc. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 18:05, 6 July 2013 (UTC)

NPR School
Hi Kudpung, I'm  Kudu ~I/O~ and I was wondering whether you could take me on as a student for WP:NPRSCHOOL. I've done a bit of NPP in the past but I've never felt completely experienced, so I'd like to learn it better.  Kudu ~I/O~ 16:29, 6 July 2013 (UTC)
 * HI KuduIO. Thanks for asking, but  right  now I'm  simply  too busy  to  take on  any  extra work. You  could try  asking one of the instructors at  the WP:CVUA. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 16:32, 6 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Hi Kudpung, no problem, I completely understand. I don't think CVUA will help though: I already have counter-vandalism experience, it's mostly the deletion process about which I know less.  Kudu ~I/O~ 16:43, 6 July 2013 (UTC)
 * In which  case, if you thoroughly read, understand, and inwardly  digest the pages at  WP:NPP, WP:PAGCUR, WP:DELETION, WP:COPYVIO, WP:COI, and WP:NOTABILITY, you  should be OK. I  don't  mind answering  the occasional  question. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 16:56, 6 July 2013 (UTC)

Anna Frodesiak's foray into PERM
Hi Kudpung! Sorry to bug you with this, but it would really help me get started.

Which of the following would be least hazardous if I made a bad approval decision?


 * '''Autopatrolled
 * '''Reviewer
 * '''Rollback
 * '''File mover

I've started looking at approved and declined rollback requests. I may be ready to work on that. This would be what I would look at. Please let me know if I'm on the right track.


 * History of reverting vandalism (min 200)
 * Clear understanding of what constitutes vandalism
 * Edit count and to a lesser extent time served
 * Talk page and archives showing no/few complaints about edit warring

You recently wrote "...You have only made only 216 edits to mainspace, and though 170 of them are legitimate reverts, far from all of them are for vandalism...." Is there a counter for that?

Cheers, Anna Frodesiak (talk) 21:53, 6 July 2013 (UTC)


 * Hi Anna. None of them are really  hazardous and you're not  likely  to  make a mistake.


 * Autopatrolled has a recommended threshold of 50 mainspace articles (DAB pages and redirects are not taken into  consideration). The quick way  I  do  it because my  Internet  is slow, is to click on  'created' and then go down the list  loading  each  one in  a new browser tab. That  way, when I clicked on  them all, the first  few pages have started loading. I  generally  discount short  stubs because they  don't  have enough content  to  demonstrate a broad knowledge of  content  policy  and guidelines. I  look for good format, perfect  referencing, no  bare URLs, no  maintenance tags, reasonably good English, proper punctuation,correct  and capitalisation in  the page name;  in  fact  there should be no issues that  a new page patroller would have tagged for.  I  also  check  to  see if any  images uploaded by  the creator comply  with  regulations. With  longer articles, it's wise to  look  at  the edit  history because all  the user may  have done was to  initially  create a stub, and some imperfections may  have been added by  others. I  very  rarely  accord the right  for under 50 creations, and I  judge whether or not  it's a case of hat collecting - autopatrolled is not  a 'right'  or a privilege, or a badge of merit, it  provides no  technical  advantages or tools for  the user.


 * Reviewer has a low threshold, but it's essential  to  check  that  the user does not  have a history  of bad edits themselves. Look for warnings on  their talk  page and talk  page archives. Generally anyone with  less than 500 edits (IMO) would not  have accrued sufficient  experience.


 * Rollbacker: generally as you  have said above. Again, I  look  to  see if they  are not  just  hat  collecting (often  the case in  younger editors). I generally  look  for a minimum of 500 edits to  mainspace with  at  least  200 uncontested reverts of blatant  vandalism. Apart from  the edit counter, there is no  other tool as far as I  know, but  I  select '(articles)' from  their edit contributions, then copy and paste the list  into  a powerful  text editor and look  for the word 'reverted'. That  gives me a list  of edits with  'reverted' in  the edit  summary, and then I  start  checking  through.


 * File mover: Don't worry  too  much  about  that  one. It tends to  sort  itself out, and even I  don't  accord the rights there because I  don't  want  to  tread on  the toes of the image savvy admins who  take very  good care of it.


 * AWB: There is a clear cut set of guidelines for this. It's not  a user right. It's simply  that  the actual request  page for it  is transcluded to  PERM.


 * Some requests are suspicious enough to  check  for recently  declined requests. Sometimes editors will  make a batch of requests at  once for all  the rights, you  can probably  guess what  I  do  there. Sometimes socks  will  use their accounts to  ask  for rights and place a positive NAO with  their other account - (this occasionally  happens with  editors who  have a long-term agenda and want  to  escape the new page patrol  system). If  questions are not  answered after about  3 days the request  is is generally  declined as not  being  urgent  enough.Sometimes NAO  comments are helpful, (see: this but  they almost always come from  wannabe maintenance workers. There is no real need for them, they  are rarely  helpful  because we have to  recheck  everything  ourselves anyway, and PERM is not  an RfA style election  process. I  generally  ignore such  comments,  but  occasionally  they  are from other admins who  are expecting  a second opinion.    The one example is user:Armbrust  who   has been doing  an excellent  job for years of archiving, and generally  looking  after the pages. His knowledge of policy  is good, and his non admin  closures are usually  spot  on so  we leave him  alone to  get  on  with  it. You  can probably  guess what  I  do  with  those. I  don't  expect  every  admin  is as pedantic as I  am, but  I  hope  this helps. Good luck. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 01:49, 7 July 2013 (UTC)
 * If I may: rollback used to be a right granted with care, but regular Twinkle, which anyone can get a hold of, comes with it. So essentially the granting or not granting of rollback has become pretty meaningless. Biggest thing is to see if the user seems to understand a. what vandalism is and b. that IP editors are editors too (typically it's IPs that get rolled back like there's no tomorrow). Good luck in your new job, Anna. Drmies (talk) 01:56, 7 July 2013 (UTC)
 * I have always believed that  it  is important  to  establish if requests for perm are not  simply  hat collecting. My  experience of having  closed hundreds of requests is that  many  of them  clearly  appear to  be. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 04:14, 7 July 2013 (UTC)

Thank you both for the guidance. I've got a bit of offwiki on my plate so will get started as soon as I can. :) Anna Frodesiak (talk) 09:27, 11 July 2013 (UTC)

Question
Am i still able to use Talkback on an editor's page if i leave them a message on an article talk page? Regards,--Anderson - What's up? 03:44, 7 July 2013 (UTC)
 * You may, as long  as it's relevant  to  an article you  are editing  and not  for social  banter.Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 03:47, 7 July 2013 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!
Thank you :) Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 06:25, 7 July 2013 (UTC)

re:What the heck?
This is about views, not edits. We're being spammed, or perhaps even attacked. I'm not sure.  Serendi pod ous  06:54, 7 July 2013 (UTC)

You've got mail!
Jackson Peebles (talk) 23:02, 7 July 2013 (UTC)

Saturn
I recently added and sourced that saturn has 62 moons and not 20. Do you (In your opinion) think that that is a good way to prevent disagreement on the number of moons the planet has? I can undo my change to Saturn if you disagree. Regards,--Anderson - What's up? 05:08, 8 July 2013 (UTC)
 * I'm not  going  to  read the entire web site at  to  locate the exact source of your citation, but  if somewhere in  there the exact nmber ist  stated, then I  think  you would be free of any  contentions claims otherwise. If  your edit gets reverted however, remember that under the terms of your unblock you must start  a discussion  on  it  on  the article talk  page before you  do  anything  else.  Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 05:21, 8 July 2013 (UTC)

You might find this interesting
Regarding a discussion you dropped in on at cullen's page. Gtwfan52 (talk) 08:10, 8 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Yes, well, just  feeling  sorry  for an editor is not  a reason to  accept  an AfC. I  often really  feel  bad about  having  to  delete some articles, as my  talk  page archives will demonstrate, but  the problem  clearly  lies at  the door of the Foundation  who  will not  accept  the priority  for the development of  a proper landing  page for new, new article creators that  clearly explains in  simple terms what they  may  and may  not  create -  as a lot  of recent  discussions  will  show. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 08:25, 8 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Agreed. Gtwfan52 (talk) 08:27, 8 July 2013 (UTC)

Restore Dax Networks Page.
Hi, You are requested to restore Dax Networks Page. Company is top 3 networking company in India and provide all networking solution including high end Enterprise Networking solution etc. Company is more than 25 yeas old, which is significance of notability. (125.63.75.30 (talk) 09:14, 8 July 2013 (UTC))


 * . Sorry, but I  will  only  entertain  a request if it  made by  the creator. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 09:21, 8 July 2013 (UTC)

What can I do to get noticed?
Are there any good things I can do within my unblock conditions for people to notice me in a good way, not for the disruption I caused last year? Regards,--Anderson - What's up? 00:37, 9 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Unfortunately probably not. People do  not  join  Wikipedia to  get  noticed. Those who  get  noticed are mainly those who  make a nuisance of themselves and the admins who  have to  do  something  about  it. Some users get  noticed because they have done things to help change major policies, or help  develop  new technical ideas, or have very  special  skills, but  these are things that  come with  being  on  Wikipedia for a very  long  time. Most  people are quite happy  to  simply  edit, make their contributions quietly, and enjoy an inward pride in  being  part of a great  project. A bit  like the Peace Corps. If  you  work  consistently  and well on  the articles you  like,  you'll  get  noticed and appreciated by  the people around you there. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 01:20, 9 July 2013 (UTC)
 * This is a comment by a talk page stalker: There is negative notice, and there is positive notice. The way to get positive notice is to produce new, well-written, well-referenced articles on notable topics; and to improve, expand and reference existing articles; and to participate in policy discussions in a thoughtful, low-key way; and in general, to work diligently every day to improve the encyclopedia. Avoid drama with a ten foot pole, thank other positive contributors, and assist new editors. After a few months of such activity, you will find that you have gained some well-earned respect. I wish you well.  Cullen 328  Let's discuss it  01:33, 9 July 2013 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the suggestions.--Anderson - What's up? 20:48, 9 July 2013 (UTC)

User:Mike Searson and promotional material
I noticed that you closed the request for action regarding Mike Searson as being merely a content dispute and not requiring admin action. I beg to differ because IMHO it is not merely a content dispute. If it was I wouldn't have brought it to ANI. Instead it shows the double standards that apply here on en-WP. The articles created by Mike Searson are blatantly promotional, and so is the material added by him to various weapons related articles, so promotional that it would have been swiftly deleted with no discussion if the articles had been created by an "ordinary" editor, or an "ordinary" editor had added the material to a number of articles, but since Mike Searson, apparently, is a well known gun writer off-wiki his "peers" on gun articles are letting him get away with it, which can be clearly seen on the AfDs. I would also like to point out that I'm not the only one who has removed the material from the articles for being promotional, it has also been done by other editors who, like me, are more "vandalism fighters" than "gun nuts". Thomas.W  talk to me  08:59, 9 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Hi Thomas. I still  think  this is a content  dispute and there are other noticeboards that  can be approached before admin  action  is necessary. Our mission  is to  diffuse rather than escalate unnecessarily. That  the articles are now at  AfD is sufficient, and there you  will  get  your  verdict (I've even voted on  one of them  myself). I  think 'double standards' is taking things a tad  too  far -  I  know nothing  about  the editors involved, nor am I  an expert  on  the subject  matter. That  said, if there are any  future incidents that  require direct  admin intervention, you  are welcome to  open  a new case,  and if the articles are deleted at  AfD, it  may  support your future claims. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 09:09, 9 July 2013 (UTC)

Polite Request
I, Retrolord, would sincerely appreciate it if you would stop holding discussions about me or commenting on them without notifying me, I don't do that to you, so please don't do it to me.  ★ ★ RetroLord★ ★  04:08, 10 July 2013 (UTC)
 * You do. And I won't  be told by  you  what I  can do  here in  the interests of helping  users to  be better editors. You  have banned me from  your  talk  page (in  a most  immature manner), so  it  would be polite if you would finally reciprocate. Thanks. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 04:17, 10 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Okey dokey. I can see you're not terribly interested in responding in a civil manner. I'll ask again, please stop holding conversations about me on other peoples talk pages, Its happened twice that I know of, probably more, please stop it.  ★ ★ RetroLord★ ★  04:19, 10 July 2013 (UTC)
 * You need to  take a lesson or two  in  civility, my  friend. I will  now be asking  for another admin's opinion on  this. Now just stay out of here,  please.  Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 04:24, 10 July 2013 (UTC)

Your posting at a recent RfA
I'm at a loss as to what could have happened here:. Do you have any idea how your edit could have included a posting there I'd not made? AndyTheGrump (talk) 15:47, 10 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Totally unintentional. I think  I  know what may happened, but  I'll  investigate in  the morning  and let  you  know. Gotta put  the kids to  bed. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 16:13, 10 July 2013 (UTC)


 * Good morning Andy (afternoon or evening wherever you  are). I've looked into  this. I  won't  bore you  with  all  the technical  details as it was my  fault and not  a software glitch. Thanks for noticing it, correcting  it, and letting  me know about  it. It's an editing  error I've never made before, and it's most  unlikely  to  occur again. Apologies for any inconvenience caused. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 02:30, 11 July 2013 (UTC)


 * Ok, thanks. AndyTheGrump (talk) 02:36, 11 July 2013 (UTC)


 * I was going to put up a fake block template here, for "impersonation", but felt it better to not test to the boundaries of Kudpung's humor today ;-) Dennis Brown &#124; 2¢ &#124; WER  11:34, 11 July 2013 (UTC)
 * PantherLeapord (talk) 11:51, 11 July 2013 (UTC)

IRC office hours for wiki-mentors and Snuggle users
Hi. We're organizing an office hours session with the Teahouse to bring in mentors from across the wiki to and discuss it's potential to support mentorship broadly. The Snuggle team would appreciate it if you would come and participate in the discussion. We'll be having it in on '''Wed. July 17th @ 1600 UTC'''. See the agenda for more info. -- EpochFail (talk &bull; work), Technical 13 (talk), TheOriginalSoni (talk) 18:27, 12 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Hi! I just wanted to post a reminder that this discussion will be happening in about 24 hours.  If you haven't already used Snuggle, I recommend giving it a try before the meeting.  I'll be in  a half hour early to answer any questions you have.   -- EpochFail  (talk &bull; work) 15:50, 16 July 2013 (UTC)

Thai station naming
Hi there, I noticed you were in Thailand and I wondered if you could help me with a small Thai language problem. I brought up an issue here because there seemed to currently be no standard way for station articles in Thailand to be named. It seems the accepted convention for station articles is to try and name the articles as they are referred to in their local language (if the words 'railway station' are proper nouns then the article should be named 'X Railway Station', if not, the article should be named named 'X railway station'). It'd be a great help if you could just clarify how train stations are referred to in the Thai language. Cheers! Jr8825 •  Talk  04:03, 13 July 2013 (UTC)


 * I do  indeed live in  Thailand and have doe so  for many  years. However, I  never use the trains. All  railway stations have their name in  English  on  the front  of the building, but  it will  be a couple of days before I  can drive past  one and find out  how they  do  this. No  urgency as far as MoS is concerned. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 07:13, 13 July 2013 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the reply, it's not drastically important, but if you could do so it'd be a great help. Thanks! Jr8825  •  Talk  07:39, 13 July 2013 (UTC)
 * BTW, there is no guarantee however, that there is any  consistency  between the many  railway  stations in  Thailand. There is not  even any  consistency  in the transliteration  from  Thai  to  Roman  script! Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 07:53, 13 July 2013 (UTC)

Sockpuppet for Thmc1 Found! REPLY APPRECIATED!
This is to alert you that user MazabukaBloke is definitely a sockpuppet for Thmc1, see sockpuppet investigation log WP:Sockpuppet_investigations/Thmc1/Archive. His block evasive IP 173.63.176.93 was just blocked off YESTERDAY for misinformation in an edit war against another block evasive(66.108.119.85) on the "Chinatown, Manhattan" article. Now he's already reverted the latest edit by 66.108.119.85 with the username MazabukaBloke. An examination of his log will show virtually the same edits, same style, same grammar to the same articles as IP 173.63.176.93. 3 sockpuppet investigations later he's still editing on WP. I strongly suggest that you block off this IP(temporarily, although I'd prefer permanently) as a continuation of your investigation against him in 2012.MBaxter1 (talk) 17:58, 13 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Hi Baxter. Your message is your first edit  since 10 months. With  only  6 edits to  mainspace in  3 years, I  would suggest that  you probably have more time to  add this to  the SPI case than I do. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 23:43, 13 July 2013 (UTC)

Thank you!
Thank you so much for taking the time to answer the question here, I was busy with some queries, IRC, Snggle and reviewing CVUA guidelines for new instructors, so my answer was not helpful as much.. Yes I signed up as a CVUA instructor as per your advice :) But again, thank you for taking the time to post such a nice and helpful answer! Thank you! Prabash.  Akmeemana   02:08, 14 July 2013 (UTC)

Cybolton and Techatology
They appear to have a sockpuppeteer and sockpuppet relationship. Cybolton was created on 21:39, 15 June 2013 and Techatoloy was created about two hours later on 23:43, 15 June 2013. Both began editing Philippines related articles. Techatology awarded Cybolton a barnstar on July 2. Next came the real problems. An article by Cycbolton was rejected at AfC on July 5 and Techatology, on the same day, accepts it. If you compare their contribution histories and the pattern and timing is clear. I was going to report this to SPI, but they are so backup I thought I would let you know since I saw that you already had a discussion with Techatology.--I am One of Many (talk) 18:00, 14 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I'll look  into  it. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 00:43, 15 July 2013 (UTC)

Sockpuppet investigations/
It appears you accidentally created an SPI request on a redirect. I have reverted it for you. Cheers, Tiptoety  talk 02:44, 15 July 2013 (UTC)

This may be a bug -  AFAIK, I  followed the instructions implicitly by  using  the submission  window. I'll try  to  do  it  again and I  would appreciate it  you  would watch. Thanks. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 02:48, 15 July 2013 (UTC)


 * You were very close. You simply missed inserting the sockmaster's username after the "/".  Tiptoety  talk 02:50, 15 July 2013 (UTC)


 * I can't  see that. I am obviously  missing  something  although I  have filed dozens of SPIs in  the past. Can you past  an example of the code here please. Thanks. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 02:58, 15 July 2013 (UTC)


 * I believe you are trying to file an SPI on Cybolton. So, the name of the case should be Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Cybolton. You can achieve this by using Twinkle.  To do this go to User talk:Cybolton and click on the TW button at the top, from there just follow the directions. If you do not use Twinkle, go to WP:SPI and scroll down until you see the input box that reads "Investigation (case) to create or re-open:", enter Cybolton, and push "Click to open investigation". Let me know if you need further assistance. Cheers,  Tiptoety  talk 03:03, 15 July 2013 (UTC)


 * Doh, stupid me!. BTW, I don't  appear to  have that  Twinkle script -  where is it? Thanks for all  your help  ;) Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 03:10, 15 July 2013 (UTC)


 * That's alright. We all have brain farts. And as far as Twinkle goes, you should be able to enable it via your preferences.  Cheers,  Tiptoety  talk 03:12, 15 July 2013 (UTC)


 * I actually  have dozens of Twinkle features, especially  ones only  available to  admins, but  I  can't  see one in  any  of the dropdowns that files SPI  cases. I'll  check  it  out  in  my  Twinkle prefs. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 03:15, 15 July 2013 (UTC)


 * Oh, when you click "ARV" a drop down box should appear. Within the drop down box should be an option to file a sockpuppet case. Tiptoety  talk 03:21, 15 July 2013 (UTC)


 * Thanks. Gosh, it was well tucked away -  I  could have searched for ages to  find that. Thanks again :) Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 03:33, 15 July 2013 (UTC)

Sborkel
Why did you delete my page Sborkel?

I put a lot of time into it, why do you delete it?

This is simply an outrage, and I demand an explanation

-Mr. Keizman
 * It was deleted as a hoax; even if it wasn't, the subject simply wasn't notable enough for inclusion. hmssolent \You rang? ship's log 11:03, 15 July 2013 (UTC)


 * Mr Keizman, please read the messages on your  talk  page and then you'll  understand. Thanks. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 11:05, 15 July 2013 (UTC)

Do you know how much time it takes after I send a request not to delete the page until I get a response? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Alon Keizman (talk • contribs) 11:10, 15 July 2013 (UTC)


 * NO time at all - the deletion  of such  pages is almost  instantaneous. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 11:14, 15 July 2013 (UTC)

There was an article about him on a major news website can I send you a .jpg file of the article (I took a screen shot of it when it was published) -Mr. Keizman


 * Thank you  for the offer, but  there won't  be a Wikipedia article about  it  any  time soon. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 11:21, 15 July 2013 (UTC)

Why? But I have proof!!! Can you answer me? I have proof that y story is authentic! I simply don't understand how someone can just say that the thing my life is concentrated around of which is simply un-true!

-Sborkel's trainee
 * Read WP:N and WP:RS. As far as things stand, your pet bear does not belong on Wikipedia. hmssolent \You rang? ship's log 11:32, 15 July 2013 (UTC)


 * That's enough now, thank you. PLease read Your first article - there will be no  more replies here. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 11:35, 15 July 2013 (UTC)

Cybolton
Appearently, you have blocked Cybolton for being a sock of Cybolton. Could you fix that for me? buffbills7701 02:18, 16 July 2013 (UTC)


 * ✅. BTW, please see WT:AFC for various comments about reviewing quality and user experience. Thanks. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 02:35, 16 July 2013 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!
Well, I'm  probably  not  always that  patient or polite with people who  don't  deserve my  time, but I'm  always happy  to  help  users whose efforts I apperciate even if they  get  stuff  wrong  ocasionally; you  are always welcome here :) Thanks! Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 09:39, 16 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Don't worry, I won't penalise you if you get rude/uncivil with people who obviously aren't here to contribute to the project. ✉→ Arctic Kangaroo ←✎ 09:42, 16 July 2013 (UTC)

Thanks, but...
Thanks for your note on my talk page. You are very kind, but I have no aspirations along those lines right now. --MelanieN (talk) 14:23, 16 July 2013 (UTC)

Deletion of two articles
Hello, I wanted to know if there is any way for you to restore the articles Viavarejo and Nova Pontocom? The two are well known Brazilian companies, and the information in the articles was verifiable. Thanks, Ubron (talk) 15:32, 16 July 2013 (UTC)


 * Unfortunately no, and for several  reasons: the articles were created by  an untrustworthy  user, so  there is no  reason  to  trust  the content; they  ware promotional  and  could also  have been deleted under WP:G11; and additionally, notability was not  asserted through reliable independent  sources for companies according  to  requirements at  WP:ORG.  You  are welcome to  start new articles to  replace them,  but they must comply  with  our criteria. If  you  need any  help, let  me know. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 22:44, 16 July 2013 (UTC)

Email
Hi there. I've sent you an email, can you take a look at your earliest convenience. Cheers. Steven  Zhang  Help resolve disputes! 00:44, 17 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Hi Steven. No need for email  discretion  on  this. There is really  not  a lot  to  fill  in. Everything is in the editing  histories, talk  pages, and archives. Basically very  keen but very young with corresponding maturity and cognition issues. We have agreed, after a long  discussion  between admins to  accord a new chance under a very  precise set of editing  restrictions. If  you  feel  up  to  it, I  see no reason  why  you  should not  go  ahead, and I am  sure you  will  do  a good job. Regards, Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 01:03, 17 July 2013 (UTC)
 * OK, cool. Is he under any formal mentorship agreement or is there an admin that is keeping an eye on his activites? Steven   Zhang  Help resolve disputes! 01:18, 17 July 2013 (UTC)


 * The key message is here, but  to  get  up  to  speed I  suggest  you  take a moment  to  read the entire talk  page and the AN archive I linked you  to. As you  will  see, adoption  was not  a condition, but  it  was strongly  recommended. Several  admins are keeping  an eye on  things and will  probably  be quick  on  the trigger if there are any breaches of the condits.Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 01:34, 17 July 2013 (UTC)
 * I apologize for butting in, But there is NO WAY i would breach any of my conditions, Under any circumstances. I apologize for my tone, But i'm trying to make clear here that i will never breach my conditions.-- Anderson   I'm Willing To Help  23:05, 18 July 2013 (UTC)

I'm having problems with footnotes
On Talk:Saturn, We agreed that saturn has 150 moons and I've referenced it. However, I'm having a lot of trouble trying to cite it. The reference name is "The population of propellers in Saturn's A Ring". How would i cite this as a footnote?-- Anderson   I'm Willing To Help  00:44, 17 July 2013 (UTC)


 * H:FOOT give a lot of examples of markup, while WP:CITE  is far more informative. You  might  also  wish  to  experiment  with  the Cite button  in  the toolbar of the standard editing  window. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 01:41, 17 July 2013 (UTC)


 * Anderson, you might also want to look at WP:Citation templates. I fixed the ref and left a note at Talk:Saturn. I'm happy to see you're now trying to be a productive editor and I hope you don't go back to your ways when you were User:Scott Delaney. Good luck. Mojoworker (talk) 05:14, 19 July 2013 (UTC)

TalkBack
-- Anderson   I'm Willing To Help  01:43, 17 July 2013 (UTC)

TalkBack
slv (talk) 04:09, 25 July 2013 (UTC)

Talkback
I left a handy NASA link on the TP if you want to have a look at it.-- Anderson   I'm Willing To Help  02:58, 17 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Well, I don't  really  have time, but  I've provided all  the suggestions I  can. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 03:20, 17 July 2013 (UTC)

Am I ready for rollback now?
Hello,I think now I'm ready for rollback.Since my request was declined, I have kept working on RC patrolling.Now I've reached a reasonable number of vandalism reverts,and I have learned from a mistake I made recently.I'm not very good at writing articles,so I would like to help this project by fighting vandalism.As I said in my RFPERM,I want rollback in order to use Huggle,and do it more efficiently.Because my previous request hasn't been archived,I don't know if it's good to start a new one.So I'm asking for your opinion on this matter. L smll  07:16, 17 July 2013 (UTC)
 * I've added the Rollback tool to  your account. Please read Rollback very  carefully before using  it. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 16:35, 17 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Thank you.I'll read the documentation of Huggle,too. L smll  04:56, 18 July 2013 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!
Thank you very  much  Anne. Although I hasten to  say  that  it  was not  by  intention to  'organise' anyone ;) Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 05:29, 18 July 2013 (UTC)

Thai skills
Hey Kudpung. I'm trying to round up some help translating some pages over at MediaWiki into Thai. After spamming the active editors from the th-N category, no luck. Do you know of any likely candidates? Regards, PEarley (WMF) (talk) 06:04, 18 July 2013 (UTC)


 * No I don't  unfortunately. I  spent  a long  time last  year trying  to  get  the Thai  Wiki organised here in  Thailand, but there was little support so I gave up. You  might  like to  ask user:Deryck Chan if he knows anyone, but  at  the moment  he has his hands tied organising  Wikimania Hong Kong (where I will  also  be in  a couple of weeks). Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 07:08, 18 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Okay, I'll give Deryck a shout. It's interesting, th.wiki has quite a few active editors, but seems to be a bit more insular than some of other wikis of comparable size. Anyways, thanks for the advice, and have fun in Hong Kong. PEarley (WMF) (talk) 22:20, 18 July 2013 (UTC)
 * I almost  forgot -  there is the guy, ผู้ใช้:Taweetham ,I  met  with  in Bangkok. he was the only  one who  came to  the meeting. He's an arb on the Thai  Wiki, speaks fluent  English and lives in  Australia; You  can ping  him on  the Thai  Wiki here or on  en.Wiki at User talk:Taweetham. You  may  also  wish  to  mail him  at  either of his accounts. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 23:25, 18 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Excellent, Kudpung. I'll go say hello. PEarley (WMF) (talk) 23:33, 18 July 2013 (UTC)

Username Change?
Would my conditions disallow me from changing my username?-- Anderson   I'm Willing To Help  22:48, 18 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Technically it would be possible, but  in  view of the current restrictions, and your previous use of other accounts, I do  not  think  it  would be wise until  your 6-month probationary  period has expired because Anderson  is  the name we know you  as and the signature that  we are watching  under that  name. You  are welcome to ask  the other admins who  are watching  your  case, but  please refer them  to  my  comments here. Thanks. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 23:19, 18 July 2013 (UTC)

Deletion of Eren Niazi - Please help
Kudpung, I would like to know why you deleted Eren Niazi's wiki page. We were JUST now working on having someone help with references, as I am not a coder, and just asked politely in the Teahouse for help. To take the site down entirely after hours of extensive work is a bit bold and hurtful. We weren't harming anyone with the information. Not to mention this man is giving away technology to charities and deserves an opportunity to be seen and heard.

Please contact me immediately, as I am the brand manager and am trying diligently to get this done.

Also, my email is.

I have the same information in a word document that went up online. And if you feel you can help us create a satisfactory wiki page, I would love the help.

(c (talk) 22:19, 19 July 2013 (UTC))
 * Hi. You may  not  have noticed above, but  this is a weekend (in  my  time zone) and as we are all  volunteers here, we are not obliged to  ado anything  'immediately'. I  will  be happy  to  look into  this when I return to  my  desk. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 14:33, 21 July 2013 (UTC)


 * Hi. Curiosity got  the better of me because although  I  have deleted several  thousand pages, a request  like yours is extremely  rare, so  working  from  my  mobile device, I  can tell  you  this much: The prose  of the deleted article was blatantly  promotional, reading  in  fact  like a bio for a social  networking  site ot B2B listing. The only links were to  self populated social  networking  sites, and there were no  referenced independent  sources whatsoever that  would make the aticle comply  with  our notability  criteria. The article, exceptionally, was taged for deletion  by  one of our most  experienced and most  senior admins, and deleted by  myself, also  a very  experienced dministrator, so  the uncoordinated opinions of two  admins are unlikely  to  be wrong. Moreover, I  notice you  use the plural  'we' -  please note that  teamwork  from  one account is not  allowed. That  said, I  urgege you  to  read our Plain and simple conflict of interest guide before considering  a new draft. If  you  decide to  go  ahead, I  would stronlgly  advise looking  for WP:Reliable sources first. Regards, Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 14:47, 21 July 2013 (UTC)


 * Thank you, and please not the use of the word "we" is literally me and I was coordinating with the subject of the article, not a team. Also, I went onto the teahouse to find reputable source of people who understand how to add the references.  I actually copied and still have the html code from the previous wiki that sites only a few references.  I not only wanted help adding new references but also legitimate images. I agree, it did look like a b2b bio, and that was why I needed help. I am new to wiki and did not realize that you can create a "draft" first before taking it live, nor did I know about TALK pages.  Let's just say I am seeking to hire someone who can fix the article and get it approved for the site. As if it weren't for my edits, Eren would still have his wiki, and as you know, timing is everything.  As we speak, he is getting a lot of attention for his work in the past (good attention).  Is there any area where editors take on projects like this? We have the old code, new draft, reliable sources, images, etc. I look forward to hearing from you. (24.130.158.23 (talk) 17:37, 21 July 2013 (UTC)


 * Hi. I have indeed noted, and will stress again  that  'we'  means that  you  are coordinating  your  efforts on  behalf of the subject  of the article. Timing  is unfortunately also  not everything when  building  an encyclopedia - Wikipedia is not  a news site.  There are only  two   instances when anything  here must  be done quickly  and those are deletions in cases of serious breach  of copyright and/or libelous content - which  are two of the reasons why  any  tagged article, especially  unsourced biographies, are swiftly  deleted. While I  will  admit  that  Wikipedia fails to  properly  inform  new users of what  they  can and cannot  do  here - it's  is an issue which  we, the tens of thousands of regular volunteer editors have been trying  to  explain for several years to  Wikimedia, the site's owners who are reluctant do  do  anything  about  it - we must  strictly uphold the principle that  Wikipedia is not  a platform  for advertising  or promotion. And that's why  your insistence on  urgency and timing  emphasises the fact that  an update or a recreation  of an article about Eren Niazi is part of a campaign. Please be absolutely  sure to  familiarise yourself with  Plain and simple conflict of interest guide, our Copyright rules),  and our Image use policy beofre creating  a new draft  in  your  user space where undere certain  circumstases it  may  also  be summarily  deleted. There is no  'space' for users wishing  to  edit  for hire or reward; while some users may  do  it, it's generally  dissaproved of and any  articles thus created still  have to  pass the scrutiny  of those who  patrol  for unwanted articles and content - again, please read our COI  policy  again  very  carefully.  Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 23:06, 21 July 2013 (UTC)


 * I have made some minor edits to  your  draft, and left  some imnportant  notes at  User talk:Shadesofrespect/Eren Niazi. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 23:56, 21 July 2013 (UTC)

I understand that urgency is not something that I can request. The only reason why I was asking is because if I hadn't edited or updated the OLD wiki site, that was there since 2009, nothing would have happened. And it wouldn't have been deleted. It took 3 years for Eren to get approved for Wiki. So I guess the question I have at this point is, can we put the OLD code back? This is not part of a campaign. He had a wiki longstanding and knew it needed updating. I admit that I had never done this before, and so I asked the TeaHouse for help. I have placed his former site on my create page. Can this go back up? In the mean time, we are hiring someone to help us over the next 12-24 months to improve it, again not urgency. Please advise, as it would be a shame for the man who pioneered Open Source (without him we wouldn't be here on Wiki) to not have his old page back (not the one I had up). (Shadesofrespect (talk) 21:26, 24 July 2013 (UTC)


 * Provided there is no promotional or libelous content, no  copyright  violations (text  copied from  other sources)  and no  spam links, you  can pretty  much  do what  you  like in  your user space draft, but  please see the notes I  left  at  User talk:Shadesofrespect/Eren Niazi on  notability  requirements and sourcing. When you feel it  is ready  to  be moved to  mainspace please ask  me or another admin  to  review it. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 00:32, 25 July 2013 (UTC)

List of largest lakes of Europe
I tried to add some info on some finnish lakes in the list, but apparently talk pages with actual content will be deleted. I've no wish to create a user name, nor do I know if you consider non-english wikipedias a reliable source. 85.76.147.178 (talk) 05:56, 21 July 2013 (UTC)

Deletions without warnings --
I too don't suffer fools gladly.

What you deleted was the CONTENTS of the volume Overland to the Islands.

Will you be deleting the CONTENTS of other volumes to which CONTENTS have been added!?

CONTENTS of volumes are straightforward statements of fact. They are not "interpretations" or "opinions" needing verification.

Shouldn't you find out what is being done before acting!? JNagarya 00:47, 22 July 2013 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by JNagarya (talk • contribs)


 * Please be civil, provide links to what  you  want  revising, and sign your posts. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 01:15, 22 July 2013 (UTC)

1. It is civil to know what is going on before deleting. It is the opposite to not bother knowing before acting.

2. There is no need to provide links to what I want revising, because that is not what I am doing. The "article" you deleted was the CONTENTS of a volume of poetry. It is not an "interpretation" or "opinion" "article". Have the courtesy to know what is -- and isn't -- going on before throwing your overly-confident (I'm being polite) weight around. JNagarya 03:10, 22 July 2013 (UTC)


 * FWIW: Correctly deleted per: WP:A1: Not enough context to identify article's subject. The onus is on you to  create pages that  conform  with  policies and guidelines before you  post  them  to  mainspace - it's not up us to  us to  do  your  cleaning  up  for you. If  you  wish  to  have a happy  experience on  Wikipedia and get  friendly  advice when you  need it, I  suggest  you  change your attitude.  Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 01:24, 22 July 2013 (UTC)

I recommend you change your attitude, injstead of bullying those who are doing work about which you clearly know zilch. But why should you boter knowing anything about that in which you are a bull in a China shop meddler? -- you obviously already know it all by means of divine insight and ESP.

The "article"'s "subject" is identified at the top of the "article": CONTENTS. It's really easy:

1. Go to the Denise Levertov page.

2. Scroll down to Bibliography-- which I am in the process of developing -- "Primary works," then click on a title link. That will take you to the "article": the CONTENTS of the volume of that title.


 * Very good advice. -- Brangifer (talk) 01:32, 22 July 2013 (UTC)

You might determine what is actually going on before clicking your two cents together, and asserting a presumption as a conclusion.

By contrast with you two know-it-alls, responses from those who deal with poetry are to the opposite effect. JNagarya 03:10, 22 July 2013 (UTC)


 * JNagarya has just raised this at ANI. AndyTheGrump (talk) 01:37, 22 July 2013 (UTC)

Yes, I have: one meddler interfered by trashing the Contents of one title, and adding a "redirect" that takes one back to the page one is already on. He is so hypercourteous that he has ignored my explanation as to the nature of the "article" -- TABLE OF CONTENTS of the volume to which linked -- and request that he undo the "redirect".

One other recommnded an immediate delete without notice to me, and without first determining what would be deleted, on the off chance that he could be in error. And a second person deleted it -- without first determining what would be deleted, or notifying me of the fact on the off-chance that he could be in error. Such presumptuousness is not indicative of approachability or cooperativeness.

And I don't suffer fools even ungladly.

What I don't need is rude lectures on how I'm to be courteous from those who haven't the sense to determine what is going on before highhandedly meddling in other's work.

JNagarya 03:11, 22 July 2013 (UTC)


 * That's enough here, and if you  have a justified reason  for contesting  a deletion, please take it  to  the appropriate noticeboard for deletion  refunds (and that isn't ANI). Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 03:31, 22 July 2013 (UTC)

Asking a question
Does people blanking sections considered as blatant vandalism? They had no reasons why they blanked them, so I reverted them back. And another thing, does people deleting speedy deletion or prod template considered also? Jianhui67 (talk) 11:46, 22 July 2013 (UTC)
 * (tps) Not necessarily. Editing for new editors can be tricky, and editors have accidentally blanked a section. Best to assume AGF and ask if they need some help. Removing a prod is not considered vandalism (with some rare exceptions). Anyone can, for any reason. Removing a speedy is not supposed to happen, but new editors may be unaware of the rules, so best to AGF and explain.-- SPhilbrick (Talk)  13:35, 22 July 2013 (UTC)
 * No, it was not new editors who did those things I reverted. It's various IP addresses which have not created an account. So I don't know whether that counts or not. Jianhui67 (talk) 13:52, 22 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Does admins have the information to count how many blatant vandalism reverts I did? If yes, then can you please help me to count the number of blatant vandalism reverts I have? Thanks. I currently know you are busy now. So if you have time, please do it for me. Jianhui67 (talk) 11:32, 23 July 2013 (UTC)


 * If there is such a tool  I don't  know about  it. Probably  manual  checking  is the only  way. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 12:44, 23 July 2013 (UTC)


 * I really want to be a rollbacker so I will now work very hard to revert vandalism. But due to school life, I can only do this at night. For some days, my school hours is 7.35am - 6.30pm. My target is 150 legitimate blatant vandalism reverts and I'm going to apply soon. I'll do 10 to 15 reverts per day. Jianhui67 (talk) 14:15, 23 July 2013 (UTC)

Mazurek Dąbrowskiego move
Hi Kudpung! I see that you have deleted Mazurek Dąbrowskiego "to make room for an uncontroversial page move". I believe you that as an admin, should have checked the talkpage of the article in question. With three move requests this was hardly an uncontroversial move. Could you please explain why you chose to allow it? I think it would be better if the article was moved back to where it was and a new proper move request was opened to discuss whether the move is necessary. — Kpalion(talk) 19:42, 22 July 2013 (UTC)


 * There appeared to be no  consensus in  the discussions so  please take it  up  with  User talk:Rzuwig who  tagged it BRD. If  it  needs restoring  again, let  me know. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 22:55, 22 July 2013 (UTC)

Socking
Hi Kudpung, could you help with something? In a thread on my talk page (User_talk:Mark_Arsten) a user has noted that he's being harassed by an IP hopping vandal. He suspects it's User:Cvlwr (I saw your name on the user's talk page). Could you advise if a range block would be possible here? Thanks Mark Arsten (talk) 23:11, 22 July 2013 (UTC)
 * You are most  welcome to  do  a range block. This user is a massive problem, and I'm  of the opinion  that  long  range blocks are the only  solution, and to  keep  doing  it  until  someone complains legitimately  of having  been caught in  the blocks. You'll  see the extent of it  at  Sockpuppet investigations/Cvlwr/Archive. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 23:24, 22 July 2013 (UTC)

hi
how are you doing.Bucio17 (talk) 15:49, 24 July 2013 (UTC)


 * Welcome to Wikipedia. I'm  fine thanks, but  please remember that  Wikipedia is not  a forum  or a social  networking  site ;) Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 00:06, 25 July 2013 (UTC)

Question
Are all of my edits alright, or are there some of them that you are concerned about. I like to do a check up on my edits every few weeks to ensure i haven't breached anything on my probation.-- Anderson   I'm Willing To Help  22:02, 24 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Seems to be OK. Beware of malware ;)  Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 00:11, 25 July 2013 (UTC)

Question - Please move tbhis draft
Hi. Welcome to Wikipedia. Please move this IFMIF: International Fusion Material Irradiation Facility article draft from  your  main  user page to  a user sub page, such  as for example User:Fscantamburlo/IFMIF: International Fusion Material Irradiation Facility, otherwise it  will  probably  be shortly  deleted per WP:FAKEARTICLE. If you don't  know how to  do it, I  will  gladly  do  it  for you. Thanks. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 00:53, 24 July 2013 (UTC)

Hi. I moved as suggested the page. It will be possible in future to upload images? Fscantamburlo (talk) 00:53, 24 July 2013 (UTC)


 * If you  feel  the article is ready  for publication, you  can move it  to  mainspace. It  will  then be reviewed by  a New Page Patroller. If there are no  issues you  will  then be able to  upload images that  comply  with  our WP:Image policy. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 01:16, 25 July 2013 (UTC)

Hi
Hi Kudpung. IIRC, you have been looking for suitable candidates who could be encouraged to take up adminship. Have you considered ? I have not had much interaction with the user, but I am sure she is a well suited for the bit. Seems to be one of the most level headed persons around here and seems well versed in policy etc. Helpful too. I do not know if she is interested. Regards.OrangesRyellow (talk) 18:00, 25 July 2013 (UTC)


 * Thanks. I will  look  into  it. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 18:15, 25 July 2013 (UTC)


 * I have already raised the idea directly with  the user in  the past, and as far as I  recall,  they  were not  interested. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 18:17, 25 July 2013 (UTC)

RFX
I am most likely unable to vote at Requests for adminship/Adjwilley, because of my probation. So, would you be able to place a vote for me?-- Anderson   I'm Willing To Help  21:28, 25 July 2013 (UTC)
 * I will  not  because voting  by  proxy  is absolutely  forbidden on  Wikipedia. Ask  yourself these question: Do  you  believe you  are old enough and mature enough  to  vote in  an area as important  as RfA? Why  is it  so  important  that  you  must  vote on  an RfA? Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 01:02, 26 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Because the user i wanted to vote for is one i have interacted with a lot, And i posted on their TP that they'd make a great admin, So i did want to show my support for them. If i was going to vote in an an RFA, I would only vote if it was an editor who i'd interacted with a lot. My voting would be sensible, unlike that mistake at Requests for adminship/Theopolisme. I would only vote on oppose at an RFA if there were several edits/contributions that i wasn't happy with.-- Anderson   I'm Willing To Help  04:41, 26 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Remember that RfA is not  an (un)popularity  poll. That  said, Theopolism's RfA is water under the bridge now for both  you  and him, but  may  have been a good example to  cite as an RfA that didn't  go  the way  the candidate expected. It looks as if it  failed especially  on  lack  of experience/maturity, and over eagerness for the bit;  a future run  may  have an entirely  different  out come now that  a year  has elapsed. Check  out  my  criteria here, read the whole page, it's not  only  about what  I  do,  but also about what  I  would generally expect  other voters to  be doing, even if their criteria are not  so  strict, and if there's anything  you  don't  understand, get back to me. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 05:15, 26 July 2013 (UTC)

Invercargill Airport
Should i remove this info from the article?;Regular jet services operated into the airport until 1995, when Air New Zealand restructured all its secondary provincial routes after subsidiary Mount Cook Airline introduced the 68 seat ATR 72-200 into service. I've done a web search, But it appears to be Original Research. Should i remove it?-- Anderson   I'm Willing To Help  05:41, 26 July 2013 (UTC)


 * My advice to  you  while  you  are on probation, is to  either simply  leave such  issues alone, or at  best, start  a discussion  about  them  on  the talk page before doing  anything. As a regular frequent flyer, I find that  a lot  of airport  information  is unreliable and often not up to  date. This is typical for example of smaller regional  airports in  Thailand which I use a lot. You  can even get  some nasty  surprises from  the smaller airlines themselves when you  try  to  book  online. So  you  go  to  the nearest  travel agent  or booking  office to  hear 'Oh, we/they  don't  operate that  rout  anymore.' So I  sometimes don't  have any  other alternative than to get  in  my  car and drive 30 hours for 2,000 Km instead of a 90 minute flight. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 05:58, 26 July 2013 (UTC)


 * Something similar happened at Invercargill Airport when i went there and asked if they had commercial flights to Dunedin. They didn't. So we had to drive for 2 hours to Dunedin because in the article it originally said that there were flights to Dunedin as scheduled flights. In the end, the content got changed to specify that flights to Dunedin were charter flights.-- Anderson   I'm Willing To Help  06:37, 26 July 2013 (UTC)


 * Well, here in  Thailand a 2-hour  drive is nothing exceptional. I have to  do  a 3-hour round trip  to  buy  milk  and bread which  the Thais don't  use much. Until  very  recently (an Apple store has now opened in  Khon  Kaen only  2 hours away) I  used to  have to fly  to  Bangkok  and back  in  a day to  buy  a new Mac or get  one repaired. 07:13, 26 July 2013 (UTC)Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk)


 * Disregard my question, I found agood source.-- Anderson   I'm Willing To Help  08:15, 26 July 2013 (UTC)


 * Depends how reliable the Travel Kernel can be considered. It may  be the work  of one person and not  much  more reliable than anything  you  know yourself. I  would check  with  the Reliable Sources Noticboard. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 08:23, 26 July 2013 (UTC)
 * I've left a query at WP:RSN.-- Anderson   <em style="font-family:Courier">I'm Willing To Help  08:34, 26 July 2013 (UTC)

Request
Hi, Kudpung! A few weeks ago you suggested I might want additional tools, and I said no thanks at that time. However, I do find that I would have a use for Pending Changes Review. Is that something you might consider giving me? Thanks. --MelanieN (talk) 19:49, 26 July 2013 (UTC)
 * ✅ Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 00:08, 27 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Thank you! 0;-D --MelanieN (talk) 03:14, 27 July 2013 (UTC)

YOU need to step back!
Your comments on Retrolord's talkpage are uncalled for and borderline disruptive! He is already blocked so there is no need to gravedance! PantherLeapord (talk) 06:27, 27 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Several people have asked you  to  stop  stoking  the fire. I  think  you  need to  start  being  very  careful  with  your  accusations. And whatever you  have to  say  to  me, I am  not  afraid to  leave it on  my  talk  page for everyone to  see - I  only  remove vandalism (and there was very  little of that  in  the 7 years I've been here) and blatant  trolling.  Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 06:39, 27 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Fine by me. Just make sure that you practice what you preach. PantherLeapord (talk) 06:48, 27 July 2013 (UTC)

GA Review
If you haven't already noticed, I have picked up where Retrolord left off on the review, is this okay or should I not do this review either?? Prabash. Akmeemana   10:59, 27 July 2013 (UTC)
 * If there have been no questions raised on  the quality  of your reviewing I  see no  reason  why  you  shouldn't. If you  need any  help  with  it, let  me know. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 12:21, 27 July 2013 (UTC)

Talk:Euro banknotes/GA3
Can I put 2nd opinion into the review banner, or do I have to fail the review and get a new GAN? – Plarem (User talk) 19:12, 27 July 2013 (UTC)
 * A new reviewer is needed, not a second opinion. There is no  reason  to  quick-fail  the article, because the review has barely  started and no  glaring  issues have been listed yet. I suggest  you  ask  your question  at  the link I  provided which  was  Wikipedia talk:Good article nominations where all  these GAN are being  discussed. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 00:32, 28 July 2013 (UTC)

Jupiter
Is This information i just recently added useful? I'm after the opinions of a couple of admins to determine whether i should of added it or left it out of the article.-- Anderson   <em style="font-family:Courier">I'm Willing To Help  23:37, 27 July 2013 (UTC)
 * I think the conditions of your probation are designed to  let you  get  on  with  your normal content editing  as best as you  can, so  there is no  reason  to  keep  asking  admins what  you  should include in  articles. The place to  do  that if you  need feedback is on  the article talk  page or with  the regular editors of the article, but  you  should provide diffs so  that  people can easily  locate what  you  are talking  about. Try  to  improve your English somewhat however, for example, it's 'should have ', not  'should of' ; it  doesn't  matter so  much  on  talk  pages, but  you  will need to  avoid grammatical  errors in  articles.  Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 00:40, 28 July 2013 (UTC)

Reconsider
Since you mentioned the oppose rationale, i thought you'd be interested in reading my oppose in WP:Requests for adminship/Adjwilley. Pass a Method  talk  01:43, 28 July 2013 (UTC)


 * While I appreciate the time you  may  have spent doing  your research  and posting  your !vote, there are several points:

Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 02:01, 28 July 2013 (UTC)
 * While I vote on  every  RfX (over 200 to date) and follow them  all  very  closely  from  transclusion  to  conclusion, I  find your post  TL;DR and I'm  sure others will.
 * I base my !votes on  my  own research  and am  never swayed by badgering or by the developing  consensus to  support or oppose.
 * Your perspective appears to stem mainly from  your own  interactions with  the candidate and while your comments may  be valid, as such  they  possibly  do  not  represent a broader overview of the candidate's work  on  Wikipedia.
 * It seems likely  that  this RfA will  pass anyway.
 * Finally, I'm not  sure that  your polling of 12 supporters in  this manner is wholly  appropriate and I  may  raise a clarification  request  at  WP:AN on  the method.
 * @Kudpung, I was expecting an oppose from Pass a Method because of our long-running disagreement. On your last point, though the canvassing kinda bugs me, it's really not a big deal to me, so please don't feel like you should take it to AN on my account. (I'd just as soon let it flow under the bridge.) I say give him a while to find some diffs, and if he does then I can respond. ~Adjwilley (talk) 02:34, 28 July 2013 (UTC)


 * It's not a big deal admittedly, because this RfA may  well  pass, but for my  own education - and I'm  always ready  to  learn  something  new - I  may  raise a question (not  a complaint) on  AN (not AN/I) as to whether this kind of polling  is appropriate. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 02:39, 28 July 2013 (UTC)
 * I'd say that in this case it is probably counterproductive. If the allegations had been diff supported then things might be different, whilst I !vote based on my own research I am happy to use others research if they find things that I've missed. But communication with fly by voters can be a good thing. I remember in my own RFA there were people at the end who were opposing per someone who had subsequently struck their vote, and in such circumstances it would be good to know whether they were still opposing simply because they hadn't reviewed their vote after the earlier oppose was struck or they were still opposed. More broadly at RFA I don't see why we exempt these rants from the no personal attacks policy. RFA would be a much better place if people had to substantiate anything negative that they said about the candidate.  Ϣere  Spiel  Chequers  08:39, 28 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Yeah, if this were properly supported by diffs I would legitimately find it quite concerning - committed POV pushers who nonetheless remain civil about it are some of the most difficult editors to deal with long term on Wikipedia and if I felt Adjwilley was one I'd be highly unlikely to support the RfA. But from my own look over contributions I wasn't getting that feeling, and I'm certainly not willing to change my vote based on Pass a Method's post: it's most unfair to make sweeping, hard-to-refute statements as to the blatant unsuitability of a candidate without really pointing to any specific incidents at all. It makes it completely impossible for Adjwilley to effectively refute the accusations, so I can't say I'm particularly convinced. ~ mazca  talk 09:20, 28 July 2013 (UTC)
 * In all honesty, the assertions worry me a lot. I just need diffs to demonstrate that indeed was what actually happened.  ceran  thor 18:15, 28 July 2013 (UTC)

GA Fail for the article Bombardment of Cherbourg
Hello Kudpung, I have a question; should fail the article Bombardment of Cherbourg for GA? the neutrality of the article has been disputed according to the comment made on my talk page. I am coming to the decision to fail it, would it be a wise choice to do that or should I hand this review to a more experienced Wikipedian? Prabash. Akmeemana   15:55, 28 July 2013 (UTC)


 * Thanks for asking my  advice. It  looks as if you  have already  failed it. As regards experience however, I'm  the wrong  person  to  ask  because I'm  of the firm  opinion that  GAN should only be reviewed by  editors who  themselves have created and substantially  contributed to several GA or significantly  expanded some stubs into  a long, complete article. I  do fully  realise however, that  if everyone were to maintain  this position, there would probably  be a lot fewer Good Articles.  Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 16:22, 28 July 2013 (UTC)


 * Yes I failed it because of the advise given to me by other wikipedians on the IRC, like you I believe in that philosophy too, where the the main contributor does the review; But remember this review could be a bit biased as it is the main contributors opinion, getting an editor that has experience but has never edited the article, gives more of an accurate insight on the topic. Ive created about 15 articles so far (Mostly insect and fish stubs), one of which became GA just a few days ago, the review process from an univolved editor is really good, though others might think differently on that.  Prabash.  Akmeemana   01:58, 29 July 2013 (UTC)


 * Hi Prabash. I think you may  have misunderstood wht  I  said. Please read this sentence again:  I'm of the firm opinion that GAN should only be reviewed by editors who themselves have created and substantially contributed to several GA or significantly expanded some stubs into a long, complete article. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 03:17, 30 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Yes, I have done almost everything you described there, I have created the article Great northern tilefish which I DYK'd and got into GA, I've created 15 other articles which I have also stubbed and expanded. My first few were not that good (tagged with notability and lack of references etc) but afterwards I became more prolific, focusing on content and article creation. So I believe that I am fit for reviewing GA reviews according to your belief, if there is something wrong with me reviewing articles tell me ASAP, so I can stop the two I am doing now. Thanks  Prabash.  Akmeemana   18:15, 30 July 2013 (UTC)

Mystery talkback
Hi Kudpung, I got a talkback from you yesterday, but it doesn't look like I'm mentioned here at all. Perhaps you were drawing my attention to the discussion with Pass a Method above? Or was it just in error? (I'll watch for a reply here.) --BDD (talk) 16:32, 29 July 2013 (UTC)
 * You guessed correctly ;) Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 21:24, 29 July 2013 (UTC)

A question on Rollback talk-page
For a general inquiry, I posted a question on Wikipedia talk:Rollback titled I've a question, but no one seems to look at it or answer. As you handle rollback issues, I'm taking it to your kind notice. Thanks.-- Ascetic Rosé   17:22, 29 July 2013 (UTC)
 * I have attempted an answer, check it on the page! Prabash.  Akmeemana   21:10, 29 July 2013 (UTC)

Rollback request
Hi, Kudpung. Will you grant me rollback rights? I had learnt my lesson last time that I shouldn't be too hasty to apply. But now I have reached a reasonable number of reverts now. I hope to use STiki to revert vandalism. So I hope that this time you will grant me rollback rights. I'm not sure whether to ask on the Request for Permission:Rollback, so I'll ask here instead. Thanks. Jianhui67 (talk) 23:11, 29 July 2013 (UTC)


 * To be granted access to Stiki, users generally need to have made a minimum of 1,000 edits to mainspace. You have only just over 300. I don't generally grant Rollback on as few as that so I can't accord you Rollback rights to shortcut your application for Stiki. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 02:29, 30 July 2013 (UTC)


 * Can I ask for rollback rights again after I completed my CVUA Course? I'm on halfway of the course. Is it better to ask now as I may need rollback tools or after the graduation of CVUA course? I decided not to use STiki, as it requires 1000 mainspace edits. I'll think I will just use the normal rollback button.

Jianhui67 (talk) 11:02, 30 July 2013 (UTC)


 * You get  Rollback rights after you  have successfully  completed the course and your trainer has freccommend Rollback  for you  to  an admin. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 17:46, 30 July 2013 (UTC)


 * My trainer is Callanecc and I asked him whether I can apply rollback or not. He told me I can apply anytime I like. But I think I'll apply after the graduation of the course, or when I need any rollback tools on the midpoint of the course (see first). By the way, what is the criteria for reviewer? I don't want to apply that now. I know reviewer have higher criteria than rollback. I'll will think I will learn reviewer from Callanecc when I have time and then I'll apply. Jianhui67 (talk) 13:33, 31 July 2013 (UTC)


 * You can of course apply  any  time but  generally, if you  are doing  a CVUA course, it  will  only  be accorded when your  trainer passes you  out. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 11:04, 1 August 2013 (UTC)