User talk:Kudpung/Archive May 2013

Hi Kupdung,

My intention was not for the Indus International Page to get deleted but I wanted someone to take notice and make the neccessary changes so that the article matches wikipedia standards. I'm glad you took notice. Thanks so much Meera devine (talk) 05:40, 16 May 2013 (UTC)

User 75.80.134.142
Hi, Kupdung, In autumn last year you blocked User 75.80.134.142 for repeated miscategorisation. The user is still making unconstructive edits (see April 2013 on the Talk Page) and probably needs blocking again. Mzilikazi1939 (talk) 16:30, 27 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Done. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 01:22, 4 May 2013 (UTC)

A favor -Environmental law articles ready for preliminary review
Hi Kudpung. I see that you're an online ambassador. I'm the Professor for Aaron Frank's environmental law class, and while you're not signed up for my course, I was wondering if you'd be willing to take a look at any or all of the articles my students are working on. One of the aspects of this sort of course is that students understand that they are putting their work out before the wikipedia community for review. In the past, there hasn't been that much activity on their pages as they were working on them. I was hoping that if you were willing, you could take a look. If not, no problem.

The students now have draft articles in mainspace and are starting to review each other's articles, and they could also use a preliminary review by an experienced Wikipedian in this area. If you get a chance, ideally sometime before Thursday or so, please take a look at the following list of articles and leave feedback on the talk page: Thank you! Aarf613 (talk) 17:15, 29 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Federal exemptions for hydraulic fracturing
 * Storm King Mountain: Consolidated Edison v. Scenic Hudson Preservation Conference
 * Tennessee Valley Authority v. Hill
 * American Electric Power Company v. Connecticut
 * Sierra Club v. Babbitt
 * Los Angeles County Flood Control District v. NRDC
 * Hazardous Materials Transportation Act

A nice surprise
Check out the new demo of Flow, Wikipedia's new notification system--if you click on the Echo notifications badge (the red thing at the top, next to your username, you know), you might get a nice surprise (4th item down ).  Theopolisme ( talk )  12:59, 5 May 2013 (UTC)

Straying from Worcs to Gloucs
Having gratefully leaned on your support in re Elgar, I wonder if I can interest you in the FAC for Gustav Holst. Remarks above about RL calls noted, but if you can find time and inclination to look in it I shall be v. grateful. Quite understand if not, natch. Tim riley (talk) 17:14, 6 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Hi Tim. I'm sorry  I  was unable to  take a look in  time -  I've been away on  business in  the jungle again with  extremely  limited Internet access. A very  nice article -  congratulations to  all  concerned. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 01:53, 12 May 2013 (UTC)

Re: Autopatrolled
I boldly changed the threshold in response to discussion at Village pump (proposals), particularly the thread "The wrong question". I tend to agree that a centralised discussion of current community standards on this point would be useful, but no-one seems sufficiently interested to set one up. Regards, Espresso Addict (talk) 12:18, 13 May 2013 (UTC)


 * Hi EA. Thanks for your reply. As one of the most  regular admins at  PERM, and having  reviewed literally  hundreds of applications for 'Autopatrolled', and having  patrolled literally  tens of thousands of new articles, I  can't  see any  reason  to  reduce the threshold. IMHO to  start  a discussion on  it  would be a solution  looking  for a problem. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 12:34, 13 May 2013 (UTC)

Sri Lankan Shenanigans
Hi Kudpung! I may call on you for some backup/advice concerning this issue. See also this, and most recently this. Hopefully, the shenanigans will stop after my latest warning, but just in case... Best, Voceditenore (talk) 13:15, 13 May 2013 (UTC)


 * I have issued an L2 warning (which  anyone can do). The previous complaints serve already  for an L1. If  the disruption  continues however, I  suggest  you either carry out your threat  of an SPI or augment  the warnings for disruption. If  the disruption  is really  a nuisance you  can spring  straight  to  a final  warning and if he steps out of line after that, let  me know and I  will  block. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 13:29, 13 May 2013 (UTC)

tribal names
Hi Kudpung, I saw you weigh in over at Kwami's talk page on the issue of the renaming of articles about Indigenous people in Canada. Skookum! really is correct here and needs some help on the individual articles that have the move discussions going on. If there are people who understand about these issue of naming indigenous groups, yourself included, it would be helpful for them to weigh in and help explain policy a bit. I've already voted and it's kind of being a Skookum1 v Kwami debate now... Montanabw (talk) 17:17, 13 May 2013 (UTC)
 * I was bullied off all  discussions about  linguistics by  Kwami  some years ago and following his performance on  my  RfA, I really have no interest in  discussing  anything  more with  him.  Suffice it  to  say, he has unilaterally  decided how we Brits should pronounce our town and county  names by introducing  a rhotic R where there are none, into  the lead sections of town and county  articles. Standard British  English  is non  rhotic as most  Americans are fully  aware. Only  a few regional accents have one, in  particular Scottish and those of SW England, but  it  is my  contention  that an encyclopedia should represent  the standard form, unless local  dialects and accents are treated separately  in  sections of articles. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 11:07, 14 May 2013 (UTC)


 * I've since checked out the discussions and those on the various users' talk  pages. The current  discussions are indeed a similar repeat  of Kwami's personal  hegemony  over British  English  place/county names from  a few years ago. Kwami's tendentious editing and baiting  people in  the hope that they  will  acquiesce is nothing  new (and there are diffs to  prove it). What  happens is that  they  quietly  retire from  areas on  Wikipedia to  which they  possibly  had most  to  contribute; the loss is to  Wikipedia as a whole and is not  conducive to  editor  retention.  I  concur with  you and Skooum1, but let Skookum not take the bait.  Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 12:07, 14 May 2013 (UTC)

Unrelated and potentially fun
Saw your bio bit about WWII radar. You might be interested in Russell and Sigurd Varian, an article I've been working on some and would like to eventually put up for GA. These guys invented the klystron and did a lot of work on radar during WWII, then founded Varian Associates, one of the first firms to take root in Silicon Valley.. One of their widows helped their niece build up a nice horse ranch, which is how I came across them (with me, everything eventually traces back to WikiProject Equine, heh...) Anyway, I've been looking for a collaborator/partner in crime on that article ever since User:Churn and change bailed from WP. Any help or even just constructive critiques would be welcomed. Montanabw (talk) 17:19, 14 May 2013 (UTC)
 * I don't  know anything  (much)  about  Radar myself, having  chosen a career in  linguistics. My Dad, who is now 94, was on  the WWII radar development team in  the UK, and went  on  to  be a rocket  scientist. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 17:35, 14 May 2013 (UTC)
 * How is his memory? Possible he knew of or worked with the Varian brothers -- there's a big blank hole in their WWII history, as apparently they did work that is classified.  But they were moved from the west coast to the east coast of the USA during the war and helped figure out how to make radar devices small enough to put into airplanes, basically. Sigurd was a pilot who saw the need, Russell was the scientist.  Both were rather quirky geniuses from a literary family (see John Osborne Varian, their father, who knew William Butler Yeates back in Ireland...) I'm finding this whole family to be filled with extremely interesting people.  Montanabw (talk) 21:43, 14 May 2013 (UTC)


 * He won't know them. He worked exclusively in  the UK with  most  of the people mentioned in  this article. After the war he continued on  research there, through its various name changes, on missile aerodynamics and guidance systems until he retired as a civil  servant, after which  he continued to  work  on  avionics for several  years as a consultant  to  a government contract company until  he retired for good. At  TRE during the 40s he also  contributed to  the further development of the magnetron invented by  John Randall and Harry Boot. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 05:57, 15 May 2013 (UTC)


 * Ah! Compare Cavity magnetron to klystron -- from the latter: "Klystron amplifiers have the advantage (over the magnetron) of coherently amplifying a reference signal..." so related (for a similar purpose) technology. Now, your dad would be probably at best provide WP:OR in wiki-land (sigh) but I find it interesting that there is something of an intersection here.  Perhaps more to the point, do you know of any good military history-or-radar sources in the UK that I might peruse for additional research?   Montanabw (talk) 23:16, 15 May 2013 (UTC)


 * You could start with   Wireless World (I  believe my  dad was a contributor in  the 50s and 60s). Two  companies who worked on  government  contracts were Marconi Company and Plessey. They  might  give you  some leads. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 00:21, 16 May 2013 (UTC)

ANI
Hello. There is currently a discussion at Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you.

My apologies (re: WMF/community relations)
Hi Kudpung. First I want to say thanks for hanging in there and sticking with the project. It's through the dedication of editors such as yourself that Wikipedia has become what it is today. I appreciate the devotion you have shown to the project. I know you had a difficult RfA and I'm guessing that's what lead you to start the RfA reform stuff. I also know you've been subjected to quite a bit of unjustified hostility from new users/IPs because of your help in the admin areas. So I wanted to thank you for hanging in there and sticking with the project.

I just read Wikipedia Signpost/2013-05-13/News and notes and it seems likely that I have been looking at the WMF through rose-colored glasses. I shall make a concerted effort to take in view points contrary to my own with regards to the WMF.

You've kept me on my toes, Kudpung, and I appreciate that. It's important to me to see things how they truly are and not give too much weight to one side or the other. You've had a positive influence on me and I wanted to let you know about it. All the best. 64.40.54.136 (talk) 02:39, 17 May 2013 (UTC)

RfA
Dear Kudpung !!! Can you please help and nominate me for a administrator? Best wishes Aftab Banoori 09:40, 18 May 2013 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Aftabbanoori (talk • contribs)
 * Unfortunately not. I  appreciate your enthusiasm, but you  will  need a lot  more experience before you  can be considered. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 02:00, 21 May 2013 (UTC)

Thanks
Hi.. Kudpung..Thanks for autopatrolled and rollback rights. Rollback right given automatically by you will boost my confidence a lot :). I have read WP:Rollback several time but was bit hesitant to ask for it, as I always check the difference between revisions and in that case TW was already there. Now, you have given me, so I will use it with a lot of responsibility. Thanks once again. -- Vigyani talkਯੋਗਦਾਨ 01:46, 21 May 2013 (UTC)

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Unblock request of MetalBlastZine
Hello Kudpung. , whom you have blocked, is requesting to be unblocked. The request for unblock is on hold while waiting for a comment from you. Regards, Alexf(talk) 11:33, 24 May 2013 (UTC)  -- Alexf(talk) 11:33, 24 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Addendum: I just realized you posted a blocking message but neglected to block. The user just contacted me asking for CHU and COI issues. As they are not blocked, I'll go ahead and let them know to go to CHU before they do anything else. We'll be watching and the old account will be blocked if they do not do CHU request. -- Alexf(talk) 11:44, 24 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Yeah, for an aberrant moment  I  forgot  that  the TW warning  does not  automatically  do  the block. Thanks for taking  care of it. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 11:48, 24 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Actually it does if you click on Block instead or Warn. Block works then warns. Warn section just posts the blocking message as in this case. The reason for this (been there, done that) is usually lack of coffee. -- Alexf(talk) 11:54, 24 May 2013 (UTC)

deleted page Anderson Strathern (G11: Unambiguous advertising or promotion)
11:24, 24 May 2013 Kudpung (talk | contribs) deleted page Anderson Strathern (G11: Unambiguous advertising or promotion)

I originally created this page and i see that someone added promotional content, and you were correct to delete it. I plan to recreate this page and will monitor any subsequent changes to ensure that the content remains neutral. Hope this is ok? Thanks Thartley24 (talk) 12:42, 24 May 2013 (UTC)


 * I would suggest  that  to  be on  the safe side, you  recreate it  in  your  user space and ask  me or someone else to  review it  before you  move it  to  mainspace. If  you  would like a copy  of the deleted page emailed to  you, just  ping  me -  it  might  help  you  to  get  started again. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 12:49, 24 May 2013 (UTC)


 * Yes if you could email me a copy of the deleted page, that would be a real time saver. I'll certainly ask for approval before moving it.  Thank you Thartley24 (talk) 15:59, 24 May 2013 (UTC)


 * ✅. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 16:10, 24 May 2013 (UTC)

I've recreated the article on my user page. Is this ok to move? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Thartley24/anderson_strathern Thartley24 (talk) 14:03, 27 May 2013 (UTC)

sup?
— Ched : ?  04:10, 25 May 2013 (UTC) Got up  late this morning - too  much  time spent thinking  about  Wikipedia before I  got  off to  sleep  last  night... Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 04:14, 25 May 2013 (UTC)

speedy deletion
Kudpung, thank you for removing the "speedy deletion" tag from Robert Isaacson and for seeing the substance in my newborn article. Unfortunately, the User who appended the "speedy deletion" tag has now restored it. (How is that allowed?) Would you mind weighing in on the deletion discussion? Many thanks &mdash; Sandover (talk) 22:54, 25 May 2013 (UTC)


 * Hi. I removed the speedy  because the article makes reasonable claims to  importance. That  does not  mean however that  I  endorse keeping the article. User:Reddogsix still  feels that  there is a possibility  that  the article will  not  meet our notability  guidelines (in  this case WP:BIO), and has listed the article for discussion  by  the community. This is quite a normal  process if a PROD or a CSD is declined but  an editor still thinks there are grounds for deletion. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 23:03, 25 May 2013 (UTC)

Talkback
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Can adoption or CVUA count? WorldTraveller101(Trouble?/My Work) 17:58, 26 May 2013 (UTC)

Reply just in case
Just in case you weren't watching it, WorldTraveller has replied asking a question at User_talk:WorldTraveller101. Ramaksoud2000 (Talk to me) 18:06, 26 May 2013 (UTC)
 * I've answered it already. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 18:08, 26 May 2013 (UTC)
 * That said, you  might  like to  check out what  time it is here on  the top  of my  talk  page. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 18:09, 26 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Oh I saw. Wasn't expecting such a prompt reply because I thought you were asleep. Ramaksoud2000 (Talk to me) 18:33, 26 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Well, I  would have seen when I  got  up  in  the morning. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 18:35, 26 May 2013 (UTC)

Talkback
I made the comment before the official request. Just an FYI. WorldTraveller101(Trouble?/My Work) 15:21, 27 May 2013 (UTC)

English/German
Hi, I'm very sorry to bother you but I wonder if you could offer me some help/advice, please? I've been working on an article, which I have just moved to main space, Pitfour estate - I had also done some work on the articles about the lairds of the estate. I notice there is an article on the German Wikipedia for Pitfour House. I'm ashamed to admit my German is non existent but using Google translate, I think some of the German article might be incorrect; for instance, I think the German article says the estate was acquired in 1800 by James Ferguson (1735-1820) but these dates are for the third laird. The estate was actually purchased by his grandfather in 1700. It does become confusing as the first three lairds were all James Ferguson, followed by three named George Ferguson!

I'm not sure how I've landed on your page about this, perhaps as you're listed as able to translate from German to English? Again, I'm sorry to bother you but I'm not sure how to get corrections done on the German Wikipedia - of course it could be that the Google translation is just making nonsense of it..... SagaciousPhil  -  Chat  12:49, 28 May 2013 (UTC)
 * PS - I'd even managed to get the lairds muddled up myself when I typed this, so have altered the above!  SagaciousPhil   -  Chat  12:58, 28 May 2013 (UTC)


 * Here is a complete manual translation of the body of the German Wikipedia article. It's not  very  different  from  a Google translation but  German  syntax is quite different  from  English and Google doesn't  handle it  too well,  resulting  in  false negatives,etc. The only  way  you  can verify  the information is  by  obtaining and checking  the cited sources. Good luck, Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 23:23, 28 May 2013 (UTC)

Pitfour House was a mansion north of the village of Old Deer in Aberdeenshire (Scotland). The mansion was demolished in 1926. Of Pitfour Estate, Saplinbrae House, Pitfour Lake and parts of the park with the "Temple of Theseus," a folly, still exist. The monastery ruin Deer Abbey was also on the property, which was one of he largest in Scotland.

James Ferguson (1735-1820) acquired the Pitfour Estate around 1800 and together with his nephew George Ferguson (1786-1867), an admiral, developed the park  and farms up  to  around 1850. The family had become wealthy through the West Indian sugar business.

The manor house was probably built in 1812 on the site of an older building with  the numerous other buiding  being  constructed during  the following  years. Most of the numerous other buildings also likely to be incurred in subsequent years. As an architect, John Smith (1781-1852) was was active from 1822 to 1831 while work to plant the garden probably goes back to William Sawrey Gilpin (1762-1843). The project for a canal (St Fergus and Ugie North Canal), operated by Admiral Ferguson seemed to encounter technical difficulties (some sections apparently maintained) and was finally abandoned with the construction of the railway in 1840.

The son of Admiral Ferguson, George Arthur Ferguson (1835-1924), inherited the estate in 1876. The area encompassed 8100 hectares and Pitfour Estate was repeatedly offered unsuccessfully for sale at  auction. All documents related to Pitfour Estate and the Ferguson family were lost following  the demolition  of the mansion.

Buildings

The manor house (1812, with alterations in 1820) was built  in  the neo classic style using granite from from Aberdeenshire. The facades were strict and showed little architectural embellishment while the park facing the south side of the lake was glazed with  large windows. Joined to the building  was a terraced garden in a formal style with a central fountain. The building was demolished in 1926.

Other buildings included stables and farm buildings (1826), a riding school, a racecourse, a private chapel with a low Gothic tower, some cottages that formed a model village and served as accommodation for the employees. The centre of the park formed an artificially dammed lake, The Lake, now the 20 hectare Pitfour Lake, was constructed in 1816 with three small islands, with a small scale replica of the Athenian Temple of Theseus (existing) at  the northwest  end. A boat house in the gothic style exists as a ruin.

The entrance to the park consisted of a memorial gates with two columns, and wasdedicated to Prime Minister Pitt and the Scottish Minister Robert Dundas. In addition, the Fergusons had erected an observatory and the monastery ruins Deer Abbey lying to  the south were converted to a kitchen garden, and later to a mausoleum of which  the entrance still  exists.


 * Wow, thank you!  SagaciousPhil   -  Chat  06:14, 29 May 2013 (UTC)

Oxford Meetup 5
Hi, just a reminder (because some people haven't seen the geonotice) that the fifth Oxford Meetup is this Sunday. Are you able to attend? It would be great if you could come. -- Red rose64 (talk) 20:24, 28 May 2013 (UTC)

vector.js meddling
Hey, Kudpung! Sorry to meddle with your things, but I couldn't resist: I saw your post about your JS issues on Scottywong's talk page and took a look. On your vector.js page, it looked like you were using HTML-style comment syntax (i.e. ) to insert comments. That isn't the comment syntax that Javascript uses, though; Javascript uses the same comment syntax that Java uses, where single-line comments begin with  and multi-line or partial-line comments are enclosed by   and. As I said, I couldn't resist going into your .js page and replacing the HTML comments with the equivalent JS comments ([//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User%3AKudpung%2Fvector.js&diff=557528784&oldid=557090068 here's the diff]); I'm really sorry if that's out of line. Let me know if that fixes the problem (you might have to bypass your browser cache to see any changes). Writ Keeper &#9863;&#9812; 15:11, 30 May 2013 (UTC)


 * Thank you  enormously  for that, WritKeeper. It  is much  appreciated, and it  probably  wasn't  easy  because my  js page is a mess. I have noted your comments about  syntax, but  it's odd that  everything  was working  normally  until  I  took  my  break. It  seems as if most  scripts are working  again  now. I'll  let  you know about  others as I  get  round to  using  them. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 23:23, 30 May 2013 (UTC)
 * *shrug* You'd be surprised how often stuff like that happens: you notice something slightly wrong, some minor problem, with some code, then when you look at it, you see that none of it should ever have worked. Usually, once you notice that, the whole system starts crashing down around you, like Wile E. Coyote only falling after he realizes he's been running on thin air.  I believe the technical term for it is a "schrodingbug". Anyway, you're very welcome; again, let me know if anything else is breaking, and I'll be more than happy to take a look. Writ Keeper &#9863;&#9812; 00:43, 31 May 2013 (UTC)

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