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Question from Linwoods96 (20:31, 15 February 2024)
Hello. This is daunting. I am an entertainment writer and editor. How do you suggest I get started on writing an article on a well established music producer? --Linwoods96 (talk) 20:31, 15 February 2024 (UTC)


 * Hello, and welcome to Wikipedia! Writing an article is a particularly daunting first task. My advice is to do all of your research to find the secondary sources that will support the article, before you write a word of the article itself. I also advise that you read WP:BACKWARD and (just in case) WP:SIMPLECOI. If you decide you want to proceed with the article, feel free to reply here with a list of the sources you plan to use, and I can offer advice on whether they are likely to be sufficient. (That way you can avoid wasting energy on the article if the topic isn't ready for Wikipedia yet.) Good luck and happy editing! ~ L 🌸  (talk) 20:57, 15 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Thank you. Here are sources I have from preliminary research on the hit making Grammy Award winning producing duo known as Klubjumpers, please let me know if I can use these: Discography https://www.discogs.com/artist/463798-Klubjumpers; https://indiepulsemusic.com/2021/08/01/billboard-chart-producers-klubjumpers/
 * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whatcha_Say (Klubjumpers produced a song for Jason Derulo which is noted on this page)
 * https://soundbetter.com/profiles/52987-sam-michaels
 * https://newmusicweekly.com/programmer-dan-mathews-makes-guest-appearance-on-pitbulls-globalization-radio-july-5th/
 * https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/edm-artist-noahs-keep-on-movin-becomes-both-a-billboard-and-uk-music-week-dance-chart-success-240082371.html
 * I look forward to hearing back from you.
 * Thanks. Linwoods96 (talk) 21:50, 15 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Hi, thanks for sharing these. To help you look at them with "wiki eyes", I have examined all of them in a source table. First, for context: there are two kinds of things a source can do on Wikidpedia. 1, It can WP:VERIFY that a fact is true; or, 2, it can demonstrate that the topic it's about is "notable" (which is Wikipedia's term for when something has been written about enough that there is material for an article on it). Once you have a handful of sources that accomplish task #2 (establishing notability), a wider range of sources can be OK for task #1 (verifying a specific fact). Right now, before you start writing, we're just trying to do task #2. So, here's how the sources you provide look for that:


 * At this stage, it seems possible to me that there are enough sources out there to write a wiki article, but we haven't found them yet. I'd suggest you look for a few more sources that are of the same caliber as the IndiePulse Music one: something with an independent reporter credited as the author, which focuses in detail on Klubjumpers. Be careful that you're not just finding press releases (like the PR Newswire one) that have been reprinted; press releases can sometimes be used to verify information, but never to establish notability. Good luck and happy editing! ~ L 🌸  (talk) 00:35, 17 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Thank you. 2600:1700:A7C0:41F0:A9A0:89B4:2584:9594 (talk) 00:49, 17 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Hello LeValyn: I have written my text for the wikipedia page on Klubjumpers. There are two forthcoming articles that are being written as I type that I will use those links to help prove notoriety. I'm just not sure on how I can pour the text into the right format of Wikipedia. How do I access the templates? My sections are: Beginning, career, 2000s, 20210s, 2020s. Origins, Awards, Discography, Labels.
 * See below my draft text minus my links which are in the original draft on my computer. Please advise. Thanks. Lin. Woods (Linwoods96)
 * Klubjumpers Wikipedia Page Draft written by Lin. Woods
 * Beginning
 * Klubjumpers is a Billboard charting American Electronic DJ and Production duo with over thirty years of experience in music entertainment. The Grammy Award winning duo is comprised of biological brothers Dan Mathews and Sam Michaels. The siblings were born and raised in Southern California but became renowned re-mix hit making producers in Texas. They currently reside in and have their studio headquarters in San Antonio, Texas.
 * Career
 * Dan Mathews and Sam Michaels, started their careers entertainment in the 1990s. Dan Mathews was a radio DJ at KPRR at 102.1 FM "Power 102.1", a commercial radio station owned by iHeart Radio in El Paso, TX while younger brother Sam Michaels was honing his craft as a keyboard player.
 * In 1993 the Dan and Same decided to expand their love of music from just playing the hits to creating music. That’s when they formed Klubjumpers. In the beginning they collaborated with independent artists and produced re-mixes for Dance and Latin music, but soon their repertoire expanded to include R& B and Hip Hop. As their reputation grew as producers of hit re-mixes, so did the caliber of artists seeking out Klubjumpers’ production skills.
 * By the 2000s Klubjumpers were on their way to becoming Gold and Platinum music producers collaborating and making re-mix hits across musical genres for some of the biggest names in the music business.
 * Klubjumpers has produced hits for notable top charting artists, including Jason Derulo’s RIAA Certified Gold hit “What ‘Cha Say?” and “In My Head,” Enrique Iglesias “Me Digas Que No,” Michael Buble’s “Crazy Love,” “Baby You Got What It Takes” (WBR) (which went double Platinum), re-mix of “Admit It” by Marcus Houston.
 * Additionally, Klubjumpers has produced an eclectic list of diverse hits for such artists as Snoop Dogg, Offset, Gloria Estefan, Rickey Martin, Jennifer Lopez, Danity Kane, Mariah Carey, Pussy Cat Dolls, Black Eyed Peas, Pit Bull, Britney Spears, Lil Wayne, Christina Milian, Frankie J, Eminem, Trailor Park Boys, 3LW, Az-yet, and Madonna.
 * Not limited to producing hits heard on the radio, Klubjumpers’ has had their music used in the commercial world as well. The duo earned a Visual Sounds award with Salme Dahlstrom’s “C’mon Y’all” for 2013 BEST MUSIC USE  in the Cover Girls Intense Shadow Blast commercial which featured actress and TV personality Drew Barrymore.
 * Their production on this song was also featured in a commercial for Subaru and the Television Series “Charlies Angels” and “Saving Hope, “ as well as in the movie “Every Day” starring Helen Hunt.
 * Klubjumpers has produced over 80 Billboard charting songs and Gold and Platinum Records. The duo currently resides in and has its studio headquarters in San Antonio, Texas.
 * 2000s
 * Michael-Bublé Baby (You've Got What It Takes) (Klubjumpers remix) 2009
 * 2010s
 * Jason-Derulo Whatcha Say (Klubjumpers  Radio). 2010
 * Jason Derülo In my Head (Klubjumpers Remix ) 2010
 * George Hodos Feat. Snoop Dogg – Just A Man (The Remix) 2010
 * Nikki & Rich – Cat & Mouse (The Remixes) 2010
 * Gloria Estefan – Wepa (Latin Radio) 2011
 * Enrique Iglesias – No Me Digas Que No ,2011
 * Right Said Fred – Don't Make Me Laugh (Remixes) 2014
 * Right Said Fred – Shoulda Been Me (Club Mixes) 2015
 * 2020s
 * Jagwar Twin all my friends, 2023
 * Shab Fat Joe – Voodoo (The Remixes Part 2) 2023
 * Marques Houston -Admit it  2024
 * Origin - United States of America
 * Genres - Electro House, Progressive house,
 * Moombahton, Reggaeton, HipHop,
 * Occupation(s) Producers, Remixer, DJs
 * Instrument(s) Piano, midi, synthesizers, `
 * Years Active - 1997–Present
 * Awards
 * Labels - Warner Bros. Records, Jive Records,
 * Sony Music Latin, Sony Music
 * Universal Music Latino,
 * Crescent Moon Records, Universal Music Group,
 * Phoenix Music Group,
 * Members - Sam Micheals and Dan Mathews
 * Website www.klubjumpers.com
 * Discography
 * Michael-Bublé Baby (You've Got What It Takes) (Klubjumpers remix) 2009
 * Jason-Derulo Whatcha Say (Klubjumpers  Radio). 2010
 * Jason Derülo In my Head (Klubjumpers Remix ) 2010
 * George Hodos Feat. Snoop Dogg – Just A Man (The Remix) 2010
 * Nikki & Rich – Cat & Mouse (The Remixes) 2010
 * Gloria Estefan – Wepa (Latin Radio) 2011
 * Enrique Iglesias – No Me Digas Que No ,2011
 * Right Said Fred – Don't Make Me Laugh (Remixes) 2014
 * Right Said Fred – Shoulda Been Me (Club Mixes) 2015
 * Jagwar Twin all my friends, 2023
 * Shab Fat Joe – Voodoo (The Remixes Part 2) 2023
 * Marques Houston Admit it  2024
 * References
 * Links
 * https://indiepulsemusic.com/2021/08/01/billboard-chart-producers-klubjumpers/
 * http://www.discogs.com/artist/463798-Klubjumpers
 * (Remix producers – Klubjumpers mentioned)
 * https://indiepulsemusic.com/2021/04/12/alexia-rachelle-launches-into-headlines-with-shimmering-brilliance/
 * (Mentions Dan Matthews and Klubjumpers)
 * https://newmusicweekly.com/programmer-dan-mathews-makes-guest-appearance-on-pitbulls-globalization-radio-july-5th/ Linwoods96 (talk) 19:30, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Hi, if you want to start writing an article I suggest using the |article wizard. Do note that you can't cite forthcoming articles as sources, especially for notability, since only a published source will work. Also, the draft you've posted here has a lot of WP:FLOWERY language which is not a good fit or an encyclopedia. It can take practice to write in the dry, just-the-facts style of an encyclopedia article; I suggest seriously scrutinizing what you've written. When you use the wizard, it will make a draft that you can edit over time and hit "submit" when it is ready for someone to review. ~ L 🌸  (talk) 19:38, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Thank you for the advice and direction. Linwoods96 (talk) 18:14, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

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Question from Raturous (20:30, 16 April 2024)
Hey! I hope you're well, I think I'm in a bit of a Tiffy with an article regarding Shakshouka, I didn't know what edit warning initially and I did stop after getting a message regarding it but after I provided a source and then making a new edit another person sent me a warning. So I am now confused. --Raturous (talk) 20:30, 16 April 2024 (UTC)


 * Hello, and welcome to wikipedia! I'm sorry to hear you've gotten yourself into a conflict so early on, but I'm glad you've reached out to me and asked for a third opinion. I want to give you my POV on how your edits have fit within "wiki culture" in the hopes of clarifying where the warning came from and what you might want to do next.
 * First off, any kind of change to an article is "an edit" when it comes to WP:Edit wars, especially reverts. So even if you're adding in a new source, if it's in the context of a content dispute, putting it in the article directly is "warring". Because your edit was challenged, what you need to do is talk with other editors on the talk page and only edit the article after you agree with each other.
 * In this case, it looks like you tried that but the other editor got frustrated because of the specific way that Wikipedia defines WP:Reliable sources. For example, a Wikipedia article is never a "reliable source" for wikipedia content, because it is user-generated. For the same reason, blogs and self-published are not reliable sources either, so none of the links you have provided will work. In contrast, the source M.Bitton added was a published cookbook. A published history book or history article would be even better, but since the cookbook was published it is considered reliable enough to use.
 * In terms of what to do next from here: honestly, the third opinion will likely conclude that your sources are insufficient, but there's no deadline on wikipedia. Rather than being in a hurry to win this one argument about shakshouka, I think you will enjoy yourself more and improve the encyclopedia more by finding a non-fiction book on a topic that interests you and reading it with Wikipedia on-hand to add in any interesting details that you find there. By starting with a really top-notch source (rather than having an idea and then going hunting for a source to support it) you'll be able to make edits that "stick". For example, maybe you could read Apricots on the Nile: A Memoir with Recipes or Nile Style: Egyptian Cuisine and Culture. Your local library might also be able to point you toward good books about Egyptian food history -- or any other topic that interests you!
 * Let me know if you have other questions or if there's anything else I can help with. ~ L 🌸  (talk) 21:44, 16 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Thank you so much for your response. This clarification really helps. I will be honest, it's more frustrating in my party as the history section does mention that the origins are disputed and Egypt being one of the contenders, and as being north African myself and visiting Egypt multiple times, a classic Egyptian breakfast almost always includes shakshouka. So with those two pieces of information in mind, I do find it annoying that's it's being argued. I was wondering would a Arabic article count as a reliable source? Thank you again. Raturous (talk) 22:10, 16 April 2024 (UTC)
 * I definitely sympathize with the frustration of knowing something but not being able to prove it to wiki standards. If you want to keep working on the shakshuka article, it's fine for sources to be in Arabic, though they'll still have to meet the criteria of what wikipedia defines as a "WP:Reliable source". I can read a little Arabic, so if you have something specific in mind I'm happy to offer my opinion on it. (Since printed books are the best sources, if you have one, maybe you can type up the key paragraph?)
 * As for how the article currently talks about its disputed origins, the two cited sources in the "History" section actually made no mention of Egypt (or Algeria) as possible origins for the dish, so I had to remove that info there too. I'd also point out that the popularity of a dish today doesn't really mean anything about its origins. For example, croissant is still described as a "French pastry" even though it is widely eaten outside of France. So, rather than trying to redefine the origin of the dish, maybe there is something about Egyptian shakshuka that is worth mentioning in the "Variations" section? ~ L 🌸  (talk) 23:10, 16 April 2024 (UTC)
 * By the way, I wanted to add, thanks for taking all of this in stride! It can be really tough to get acclimatized to "wikipedia world" but I am really glad you're putting in the effort to learn from the feedback you're getting. Wikipedia depends on lots of editors with lots of viewpoints and expertise, so it always makes the encyclopedia better when new people join in. Eventually I hope it will be fun instead of frustrating! ~ L 🌸  (talk) 23:17, 16 April 2024 (UTC)
 * I did find a source from the guardian claiming debated Egyptian origins. Here. Raturous (talk) 23:23, 16 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Good find! This can definitely be used as a reliable source. Since you’ve gone 24hrs without undoing anyone’s changes at the shakshuka article, you are safe from the three-revert rule about edit warring. You can add Egypt back to the list of possible origins, citing this article. I wouldn’t touch the lead just yet, though: that source actually suggests that it’s most commonly thought of as an Israeli dish, which would make “Maghrebi” the wrong descriptor but “North African” no better. This really isn’t my area of expertise (I mostly write about very old books) but I wonder if it’s ambiguous enough that the first sentence shouldn’t mention a country at all. You could try proposing that at the article’s talk page. ~ L 🌸  (talk) 23:59, 16 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Thank you. It was brought to Israel by Tunisian Jews around the 50s-60s. While it is a possibility that the dish was made by Jewish North Africans, it is at the end of the day made somewhere in that region not in modern-day Israel. Raturous (talk) 00:17, 17 April 2024 (UTC)
 * i really appreciate your help all together! Raturous (talk) 00:18, 17 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Also I am a mix of North African, and culturally speaking, I've heard people share their preferences, saying they prefer the maghrebi version or to specify they prefer a certain country's version. so it is correct. There are different versions. Further context, I am part Tunisian Egyptian and Algerian. I'll try to find the Algerian origin debate another time but for now I wouldn't say that either terms are wrong, but I think "North African" is a better all encompassing term Raturous (talk) 00:35, 17 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Hi, it looks like the third opinion has been provided, and you've made two more edits on the article. I wanted to let you know about some slight problems with both, so you can continue to learn the ropes.
 * 1. In this edit, you're putting Egypt back in the history list based on the Guardian article, like I suggested you should -- but the source you're using is only in the edit summary, not in the article itself. That lets another wikipedia editor see where you got it from, but it doesn't help the readers. I can fix this, but why don't you practice using the wiki citation features yourself? There are some instructions here. Try following those to add the Guardian article as a citation for the sentence on "The origin of the dish...".
 * 2. In this edit, you changed the lead again to match your point of view that you have been edit warring with M.Bitton about. Even though it had been more than 24 hours (so it didn't violate the three-revert rule), you really shouldn't have made that edit yet, since it was clear M.Bitton still disagreed with you, and you hadn't heard back from your official Third Opinion person yet. (I don't really count since I'm just involved in this as your wiki mentor.) Because this edit came before any consensus had been reached on the talk page of the article, it still counts as edit warring (not violating the three-revert rule just means it's not such bad edit warring that you can be banned right away), and I think you really frustrated M.Bitton again. I know you're getting frustrated too, but wikipedia is a slow-and-steady project; when you start something like the Third Opinion process, you're supposed to just wait for a bit. If you wanted to mend fences a little, you could consider writing a small apology for making mistakes while you are learning.
 * Anyway, since the third opinion agreed that the Guardian source is OK, I think the use of North African in the opening sentence is OK too. It looks like M.Bitton is going to go looking for some new sources, which I agree is a good idea -- news articles and recipes reliable enough to cite, but they're not really the best places to find this kind of information because journalists and chefs aren't historians so they have less expertise on historical matters. If you disagree with any future changes M.Bitton might make, a good rule of thumb is to undo their change only one time and to talk on the talk page about it without making any further article changes until people on the talk page have said they agree.
 * Let me know if you have any trouble adding the citation as I suggest in point #1 above, or if you have any other questions about Wikipedia. Happy editing! ~ L 🌸  (talk) 23:55, 17 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Hi L, sorry for jumping the gun with that one. I thought that now I had 2 new sources supporting my claim, whereas Bitton had none, that it wouldn't matter what he thought as we are trying to stay factual. I will make an apology to everyone involved but not to just Bitton as I feel like he wasn't staying objective, especially when he said "it never should" when referencing to the origins of the dish being potentially from Egypt. I am currently attempting to add the citations, should I also add the NY times? Raturous (talk) 20:47, 18 April 2024 (UTC)
 * I don't think the NY Times is high-quality enough to really be worth adding. It's a recipe where a chef just passingly mentions the very broad origins of the dish, not someone actually talking about the historical problem of identifying its origin. I'd stick to just adding the Guardian source to the history section for now.
 * It also looks like another editor has gotten involved in editing the lead. Since it seemed like people were getting stuck on just one word in the lead, and overlooking the fact that the lead is supposed to be a citation-free summary of the article itself, I decided to try making some overall improvements to the article. I still left the citation edit for you to do as practice, though: you should use the citation feature to add the citation to that Guardian article, and delete the "citation needed" tag that I put on the word Egypt. Again, let me know if that gives you any trouble. ~ L 🌸  (talk) 22:01, 18 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Hm, my edit was not as productive as I had hoped. I still think you should try adding the Guardian citation for Egypt, but I'd suggest you stay out of the article and its talk page for a little while. Except, if you find new sources that you think are high-quality, share those links on the talk page. I'll see if I can reach a better consensus with folks. It is a strangely contentious page! ~ L 🌸  (talk) 22:38, 18 April 2024 (UTC)
 * im so sorry I just saw that Raturous (talk) 22:49, 18 April 2024 (UTC)
 * I just added a single comment to the talk page but that's it. Ill stay out of it now Raturous (talk) 22:49, 18 April 2024 (UTC)
 * No need to apologise, it's OK! Commenting more on the talk page isn't breaking any rules (i.e., you're not falling afoul of edit-warring or anything) and you can keep engaging if you want to -- I just thought the conversation was getting a little too contentious for a newbie to have a good time. Maybe a better way for me to express my suggestion as advice instead of a command is this: when a debate is getting bogged down in edit warring, it's unproductive to repeat things that have already been said. So, if you have a new source everyone should consider, that would be worth adding because it's definitely new, but I personally judged that your general idea ("It's North African") was already sufficiently "on the record" that disagreeing again isn't adding something new. (That's also why I tried a bigger edit to the article -- I hoped it would be new enough to push us toward a different approach to the topic.) Also, you shouldn't have to feel personally responsible for single-handedly fixing things, so it's OK to go do something else for a while. I hope that explanation helps. ~ L 🌸  (talk) 22:58, 18 April 2024 (UTC)
 * it really does. Thank you so much! :)) Raturous (talk) 23:01, 18 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Its very hard to find any research papers or more historical articles regarding this topic. I moved from online cookbooks to published cookbooks thinking that it may have more substance. Raturous (talk) 00:23, 19 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Yes, I agree, it is very hard to find high-quality sources about foods. I think the printed cookbook you found would be a great source for some topics, like the way cheese was produced in ancient Egypt, since it talks about that at some length and it's clear the author did some research there. However, in this case I think it's not a thrilling source about shakshuka since it just mentions it offhand in the middle of a sentence, and it's not the main focus of what the writer is talking about. The section with shakshuka is a little ambiguous in part because it's so brief. I think something like The Oxford Companion to Food might be the kind of source that would really improve the article. ~ L 🌸  (talk) 00:28, 19 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Gotcha, I do see your point :) Raturous (talk) 00:32, 19 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Also, it's not usually this contentious to try to hash out a consensus with someone! Sorry you're having a rough first introduction to Wikipedia. ~ L 🌸  (talk) 00:35, 19 April 2024 (UTC)
 * No worries! It shouldn't be this hard lol Raturous (talk) 00:48, 19 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Also I was gonna bring up the first point you mentioned and I think as you said before I should probably stay out of this one so I'm gonna relay to you what I think is relevant I am assuming you were referring to the encyclopedia of Jewish cuisine as the cookbook. The "historian" who wrote it studied Jewish history
 * "Marks was born in 1952 in Charleston, West Virginia.[3] After graduating from high school at Talmudical Academy of Baltimore, Marks studied at Yeshiva University, and graduated with an M.A. in Jewish history, M.S.W. in social work and rabbinical ordination from Rabbi Isaac Elchanan Theological Seminary, a Yeshiva University affiliate.[4]"
 * So although he has a prominent education, in regards to his education including the history of North African cuisine wouldn't be likely. Also the second article Bitton included described it as North African although they specified the countries in bracket and does not include all the disputed places of origin that's included in this Wikipedia article. Raturous (talk) 00:53, 19 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Ah, thanks for this context, I'll keep it in mind. I think I've finally found something detailed by a historian here, which luckily my library gives me access to. It examines a bunch of historical cookbooks and cites some more historians, which means I've got my entry to the research rabbit hole... ~ L 🌸  (talk) 01:26, 19 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Oooo, great find! I tried to access it through my institution but we don't have access unfortunately :') Raturous (talk) 01:30, 19 April 2024 (UTC)
 * hey I found this newspaper from 1896 that describes shakshouka as Egyptian, does the work as a source?
 * Here Raturous (talk) 13:11, 19 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Would it be fine if I reverted to your version? I genuinely don't see any biased POV, idk what Bitton is on about. You're being imperial between the both of us which I appreciate. Raturous (talk) 04:33, 20 April 2024 (UTC)
 * No, I think M.Bitton is being so uncooperative that it's best to get help from some admins. I am doing that now. I swear Wikipedia isn't always like this! I've been here for years and literally never had this happen before! ~ L 🌸  (talk) 06:48, 20 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Gotcha, thanks! :)) Raturous (talk) 09:13, 20 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Hi, I wanted to pick up a detail that got lost in the content debate, namely, getting some practice adding references to articles. It looks like you tried to add the Guardian link to the shakshuka article here but it didn't quite work, right? Just to explain a little, it looks like you tried to add the article to the list of references at the end. I see why that looks like the place to edit, but actually you need to put the citation in the sentence where the information from the source is being presented, and then Wikipedia will automatically make a footnote on that sentence and put link to the source in the list at the end for you. I created a simplified practice environment in my sandbox here which has one reference in it. Why don't you practice citing something for the second sentence? (Since the sandbox isn't a public part of Wikipedia, it's OK to practice with nonsense edits there.) There are some instructions here on how to add a citation. If you give it a try, let me know if you have any problems or questions. ~ L 🌸  (talk) 19:46, 20 April 2024 (UTC)
 * hey! Ya initially I did that mistake and corrected myself immediately and figured it out. I did the practice, I hope that I did it right this time :)) Also I was wondering, the source from 1896 is it a good source? The website has the published newspaper but aren't affiliated. Here. Raturous (talk) 19:59, 20 April 2024 (UTC)
 * The edit in the practice worked, nice! I made a very small adjustment to put the period before the footnote instead of after it, since that's the usual style, but the way you did it would be enough for someone else to understand the source. Thanks for giving it a go!
 * As for the 19thC French newspaper, you're right that it's an independent, published, secondary source, so it's "reliable". But, like the Guardian article, it's by a journalist who is writing a really short piece and doesn't necessarily have a lot of expertise. So if it was the only source we had, we could go based on what it says, but in this specific case it's not as useful as the really in-depth histories by food historians. The history article by Sienna actually says that a lot of 19thC French newspapers disagreed about the origins of shakshuka and attributed it to different places, including Egypt, but Sienna says that's because the French weren't very well-informed. So, in my attempted rewrite, I cited the source you found as an example of a 19thC French newspaper stating a non-Tunisian origin, but I didn't repeat what it says "in wikivoice" as an encyclopedic fact because I felt like it was explicitly contradicted by a more thorough source. Does that make sense? ~ L 🌸  (talk) 20:17, 20 April 2024 (UTC)
 * ahh fair enough, I'll keep that in mind next time. I just had a look at the sources you mentioned and that make a lot more sense to me now, I found this newspaper by coincidence actually, somebody on Reddit was also trying to understand where shakshouka originated from and had the link posted there. I thought that this newspaper reinforces the fact that the "dispute" of the origin of the shakshouka also had Egypt in the mix for a long time. :) Raturous (talk) 21:19, 20 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Hey, I hope you're doing well. So we're getting close now to the deadline that Bitton kept on himself and we haven't seen any change yet. So, I was wondering what the next appropriate move would be? I think returning the version you wrote earlier that he reverted as he claimed he was writing a better version seems like the logical step to me. Raturous (talk) 20:05, 5 May 2024 (UTC)
 * I’m well, I hope you are too! And I agree, I was thinking that on Monday or Tuesday I’d put back in a version of what I wrote earlier, taking into account M.Bitton’s critiques of the sentences they didn’t like. And if that gets reverted too without them doing any constructive editing, I’ll try WP:Dispute Resolution. I was disappointed that no admins actually investigated when I posted at the Administrators’ Noticeboard but maybe Dispute Resolution will be more effective. So, that’s my sense of next steps from here, and we’ll see how it goes. ~ L 🌸  (talk) 00:15, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
 * I hope so too, sounds like a good plan :) Raturous (talk) 09:04, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

Question from 444sprite (12:53, 19 April 2024)
Hi! I would love to get started into editing, I'm honestly just a bit overwhelmed right now, if I start to read one guide, there are ten others which I should read before and I don't know how to get started really.

I hope you can help me find a way to get started. I'm looking forward to contribute to Wikipedia! :) --444sprite (talk) 12:53, 19 April 2024 (UTC)


 * Hello, and welcome to Wikipedia! I'm glad you reached out. It can definitely be overwhelming at first, but you don't have to master everything all at once before you get started contributing. My advice is to pick one small area that interests you, make some cautious edits that you think improves the encyclopedia, and see what feedback you get from the community. (Unfortunately, if you do everything right this usually means you'll get no feedback but I am always happy to take a look at your edits and applaud/advise if you ask me to.)
 * More specifically, one way to find your "starter niche" is to pick a "cleanup tag" that other Wikipedians have placed on articles, and go around fixing that one kind of problem. This can be a good way to start because you can gradually become an expert on how to make that one kind of fix, while also seeing a variety of what is on Wikipedia.
 * If you like writing, you could look at articles where the introduction needs improvement-- from that page click on any of the months to see a list like this one of articles with problems. Browse the articles and look for the ones where it says at the top that "This article's lead section may be too short to adequately summarize the key points", like at Henry Jacobs (priest). All you need to do is read the article, and then write the lead so it repeats the main points of the article, and then you can delete the cleanup tag.
 * If you like research, you could take a look at the suggestions over at this WikiProject, where they have similar links to articles with zero sources. You'd need to go looking to see if you can find any sources anywhere that talk about the article's subject, and add it as a citation to any of the article material that it can verify. They have more instructions here too. The downside here is that you'll be seeing a lot of articles that maybe don't belong on Wikipedia, but there's no harm in trying to improve them and you can post a question here (or ask me) if you find an article that you think really can't be improved.
 * If you're interested in a specific topic, you can find a really good source about that topic (e.g., the book that everybody knows is the best one, or a great magazine article), and go read Wikipedia articles about that topic to see if they have any mistakes or omissions that your source can fix. This can be a little more complicated as a starting point but can also be more satisfying because you're not working on random topics. If you have an interest in mind I'd be happy to help find fun projects in that area.
 * I know that's kind of a long list of options but I hope it helps a little with narrowing things down! Again, as long as you approach your edits with the goal of making an article better, and you listen & ask for advice if someone undoes your edit or says you made a mistake, you'll gradually learn the most important parts. I hope you find something you really enjoy, and I am here to help any time -- happy editing! ~ L 🌸  (talk) 18:20, 19 April 2024 (UTC)

Women in Red May 2024
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Comment from Adamu ab
Hey I see your message in my email page I hey thank you for cantacting me via my email page here my whatsapp number 07083940646 please message me whatsapp I have little compuzition with you Adamu ab (talk) 05:42, 30 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Hi, I don't use whatsapp and prefer to communicate about wikipedia topics strictly on-wiki. I'm not sure what you mean by compuzition, but if you have any questions about editing Wikipedia feel free to ask them here. ~ L 🌸  (talk) 20:53, 30 April 2024 (UTC)

DYK for A Spy on Mother Midnight
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Saif Shuvo
Hi, i needed help. Draft:Saif Shuvo this is a Bangladeshi most popular Musical Artist and Singer. Please, Publish the article, i will enlarge it with the reference. Johirkhanarif (talk) 09:06, 3 May 2024 (UTC)

Question from Fatima Ramalho Lefone (13:32, 3 May 2024)
Meu nome não tem acento: é Fatima Ramalho Lefone e não Fátima, como aparece e não consigo editar --Fatima Ramalho Lefone (talk) 13:32, 3 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Hi, and welcome to Wikipedia. I think you're asking how to have an accent appear in your username. Since you haven't made any real edits with this account yet, my advice is to abandon this account and start a new one with the name you desire. If you do, it's important that you stop using this account and only use the new one, to follow the policy at WP:SOCK. Also, please in future use English to communicate here at English Wikipedia, or consider editing the Wikipedia in your own language. That way people won't have to guess what you're asking. ~ L 🌸  (talk) 18:32, 3 May 2024 (UTC)

New page reviewer granted
Hi LEvalyn, I just wanted to let you know that I have added the new page reviewer user right to your account. This means you now have access to the page curation tools and can start patrolling pages from the new pages feed. If you asked for this at requests for permissions, please check back there to see if your access is time-limited or if there are other comments.

This is a good time to re-acquaint yourself with the guidance at New pages patrol. Before you get started, please take the time to:


 * Add Wikipedia talk:New pages patrol/Reviewers to your watchlist to follow NPP-related discussions
 * If you use Twinkle, configure it to log your CSDs and PRODs
 * If you can read any languages other than English, add yourself to the list of reviewers with language proficiencies

You can find a list of other useful links and tools for patrollers at New pages patrol/Resources. If you are ever unsure what to do, ask your fellow patrollers or just leave the page for someone else to review – you're not alone! Hey man im josh (talk) 17:17, 3 May 2024 (UTC)

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Question from Lyingclient on User:49ersBelongInSanFrancisco/CSD log (05:46, 14 May 2024)
How do I block an account --Lyingclient (talk) 05:46, 14 May 2024 (UTC)

Women in Green GA Editathon June 2024 - Going Back in Time
 Hello :

WikiProject Women in Green is holding a  month-long Good Article Edit-a-thon event in June 2024!

Running from June 1 to 30, 2024, WikiProject Women in Green (WiG) is hosting a Good Article (GA) edit-a-thon event with the theme Going Back in Time! All experience levels welcome. Never worked on a GA project before? We'll teach you how to get started. Or maybe you're an old hand at GAs – we'd love to have you involved! Participants are invited to work on nominating and/or reviewing GA submissions related to women and women's works (e.g., books, films) during the event period. We hope to collectively cover article subjects from at least 20 centuries by month's end. GA resources and one-on-one support will be provided by experienced GA editors, and participants will have the opportunity to earn a special WiG barnstar for their efforts.

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Question from ScottMcKelveyCM (20:57, 20 May 2024)
how do I save an article draft so I can come back to it later? --ScottMcKelveyCM (talk) 20:57, 20 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Hello, and welcome to Wikipedia! Looking at your edits, it looks like you have figured out how, and have successfully submitted your draft for review through AfC. It may take a little while to be reviewed, since drafts are reviewed in no particular order, but you're welcome to keep working on it if you like while it's waiting. Something I notice at a glance is that the cited sources are all relatively local and Princeton-oriented; if you're able to cite any coverage from a larger newspaper, especially a national one, that would make it clearer that the subject meets wikipedia's notability criteria for articles. I'm happy to answer any other questions you might have about editing wikipedia, and for a faster response you can also always ask at the Teahouse. Happy editing! ~ L 🌸  (talk) 22:11, 21 May 2024 (UTC)

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Question from Unianceguidance (09:13, 23 May 2024)
Hi. Im trying to make a page for a young girl kashvi khurana who is the youngest adaptive clothing designer in india. Can u help me --Unianceguidance (talk) 09:13, 23 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Hello, and welcome to Wikipedia! This sounds like a challenging article to write, but it might be possible. Before you do any writing, the most important thing will be to make sure you have independent, reliable news coverage that you can use as the "source" for any information in the article. If you want to post here with links to the sources you've found, I can offer my opinion about whether they're likely to be enough for an article. For general article-writing advice, I suggest reading WP:BACKWARD and WP:YFA. You should also make sure you're following the instructions about conflicts of interest at WP:COI; if this is someone you know, that is regarded as a conflict of interest, and you'll need to use the WP:AFC process to make an article. Good luck, and happy editing! ~ L 🌸  (talk) 18:23, 23 May 2024 (UTC)

Question from Yorkshire grit on Category:Hungarian professional wrestlers (23:50, 24 May 2024)
How do I edit? --Yorkshire grit (talk) 23:50, 24 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Hello, and welcome to Wikipedia! I left a message on your Talk page with some starting pointers. You may also find your homepage here useful. But at the most basic level, to edit any article look for the word "edit" or a little pencil icon and you can start improving what you're reading right away. Feel free to ask more specific questions if you have them. Good luck, and happy editing! ~ L 🌸  (talk) 18:41, 28 May 2024 (UTC)

Question from Nikewolf (05:55, 25 May 2024)
dude, im new to this, can u help me around --Nikewolf (talk) 05:55, 25 May 2024 (UTC)


 * please help me i cant figure out a thing ! Nikewolf (talk) 06:02, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Hi, and welcome to Wikipedia! I left a message on your talk page with some places to start. You may also find your homepage here useful. There are a thousand possible things to do on Wikipedia, and most people find their niche and spend their time on just a small subset of things that interest them, so I suggest just exploring a bit. If you have a more specific question, feel free to ask. ~ L 🌸  (talk) 18:39, 28 May 2024 (UTC)

Question from MahmoudAbbasAlDilfti (14:36, 1 June 2024)
Hello, i am sorry if i disturb you. But do you know how to cite references in wikipedia mobile.

Thanks! --MahmoudAbbasAlDilfti (talk) 14:36, 1 June 2024 (UTC)


 * Hello, happy to help! Adding a reference on mobile works roughly like this. Basically, you find the pencil icon on the top to enter "edit" mode, and then tap within the text for where you want the citation to go and hit the quotation-mark button to add the citation. Let me know if you have any problems with that and I'm happy to help troubleshoot. Happy editing! ~ L 🌸  (talk) 21:43, 1 June 2024 (UTC)

Question from DanicaShardae201 (20:59, 3 June 2024)
Hello!

I was reading through info about vocal range and found the category "singers with a 5-octave vocal range". I know one of the artists I listen to belongs in that list but he doesn't have a personal wikipedia page, only a band one. Is there a way for me to update the list to include him without writing an entire page? Thanks --DanicaShardae201 (talk) 20:59, 3 June 2024 (UTC)


 * Hi, and thanks for this interesting question! I think the best way to accomplish this would be to follow the thinking at these guidelines for adding categories to redirects. Basically, we could make a redirect from the singer to the band, and add that redirect to the vocal range category. The outcome would be, people who browse the category will see the singer listed there, but when they click the singer's name it will take them to the band's article, where they can learn more. If anyone ever makes a full article about the singer, it will also naturally be categorized correctly.
 * You can't make the redirect yourself yet because your account is too new, but I'm happy to do it for you -- just let me know what singer and band you're talking about. ~ L 🌸  (talk) 21:56, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Thanks! That would be great!
 * The singer is Tim Foust, with the band Home Free. There are a number of celebrity blurbs which mention his 5-octave vocal range.
 * https://www.countrythangdaily.com/meet-nederland-native-tim-foust-who-sings-bass-for-home-free/
 * https://www.everythingnash.com/tim-foust-11-things-to-know-about-the-home-free-singer/
 * https://www.singers.com/performers/Tim-Foust/ DanicaShardae201 (talk) 02:15, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Hi DanicaShardae, sorry it took a little bit for me to get around to it -- it looks like someone else beat me to the punch! The category has been added to the redirect, and you can see him listed here. ~ L 🌸  (talk) 05:15, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

Question from Dave.W.Simmons (17:35, 4 June 2024)
Hi Nick, can I publish an article I created? --Dave.W.Simmons (talk) 17:35, 4 June 2024 (UTC)


 * Hello, my name's not Nick (you can call me LEvalyn or L) but I might be able to help. If you want to create an article, you can start the process from here. After you read the introductory advice, you'll see a button that says "Click here to start a new article". Let me know if you have any questions or problems, and happy editing! ~ L 🌸  (talk) 04:45, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

Question from Garforthminer (09:31, 6 June 2024)
Hi there, I run the website and social media for a football club - Garforth Town AFC. The club logo that is shown on Wiki is slightly inncorect and I want to update it. There is a rose in the emblem, but in the uploaded image it is transparent instead of white. I want to upload the image without this transparent rose. Thank you --Garforthminer (talk) 09:31, 6 June 2024 (UTC)


 * Hello, thanks for getting in touch! Step one is to upload the image here, following the instructions for a non-free image with a fair use rationale. Once the file it uploaded, it can be added to the article— I can help with that part if you need. Let me know if you run into any trouble, and happy editing! ~ L 🌸  (talk) 18:28, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

Question from Zamo 3535 on Template:Latest stable software release/Snapchat (21:48, 9 June 2024)
My account band ip help me please --Zamo 3535 (talk) 21:49, 9 June 2024 (UTC)


 * Hi, I'm happy to answer questions about editing wikipedia, but I'm not sure what you're asking here. Something about a banned IP address? It looks like your wikipedia account is working to let you edit, though this is your only edit so far. ~ L 🌸  (talk) 05:13, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

Question from Editor 5692 (21:20, 18 June 2024)
Hi, How can I create new articles? --Editor 5692 (talk) 21:20, 18 June 2024 (UTC)


 * The article creation wizard is here. Making an article is not usually a good way to get started on Wikipedia; I suggest reading the advice here before you start. The most important thing is to make sure you will have sources to cite that meet Wikipedia's standards; if you like, you can share links to your sources with me and I am happy to give my opinion as to whether they are likely to work. ~ L 🌸  (talk) 21:23, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

Question from MahmoudAbbasAlDilfti (10:02, 20 June 2024)
Hi,

Do you know what should i do when there is a "field required" when i tried to enter the title of the article that i want to archive?

Thanks! --MahmoudAbbasAlDilfti (talk) 10:02, 20 June 2024 (UTC)


 * Hm, from that description all I can really say is “fill in the information which that field requires”. It sounds like you’re trying to use a template that can’t work unless a particular piece of information is provided. Can you get more specific about what you’re trying to do? Maybe a screenshot? ~ L 🌸  (talk) 04:38, 21 June 2024 (UTC)

Question from Editor 5692 (17:08, 20 June 2024)
Hi,

I just wrote my first article. It was rejected. Can you help me to improve it in order that it will not be read promotional --Editor 5692 (talk) 17:08, 20 June 2024 (UTC)


 * Hello, and welcome to Wikipedia! This sounds like a frustrating start. The best way to avoid promotional writing is usually to write just 2-3 factual sentences with the basics, with citations to 3-4 super high quality sources. Often the sources are even more important than the specific words. What is the topic you’re trying to write about? If you link me to your 3 best sources (most independent, most in depth) I can give you my personal opinion about whether they will work for an article. ~ L 🌸  (talk) 04:42, 21 June 2024 (UTC)

Women in Red August 2024
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Notice of Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents discussion
There is currently a discussion at Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you. Robert McClenon (talk) 14:53, 30 June 2024 (UTC)

Question from Deolububble (14:33, 3 July 2024)
I did my first sandbox and it was deleted under 5 minutes. Trying to find out why --Deolububble (talk) 14:33, 3 July 2024 (UTC)


 * Hello, and welcome to Wikipedia! It looks like your draft was deleted as being unambiguous advertising. Wikipedia is a reference encyclopedia, which aims to provide basic, neutral, factual information rather than praise or recommendations. If you want to try again, I suggest reading WP:BACKWARD and WP:YFA. You should also probably read WP:SIMPLECOI. Another good approach for learning encyclopedia-style writing is to start with just a "stub" article of 2-3 very well-sourced sentences covering the bare-bones basics. Let me know if you have any other questions, and happy editing. ~ L 🌸  (talk) 19:40, 3 July 2024 (UTC)

Question from .smoham126 on Help:Censorship (20:30, 8 July 2024)
⚙️ BJS: Bot Java Script --.smoham126 (talk) 20:30, 8 July 2024 (UTC)

Question from Normstahlie (13:50, 10 July 2024)
What does "rescuing a source" mean? --Normstahlie (talk) 13:50, 10 July 2024 (UTC)


 * Hello, usually I see that edit summary applied when someone has provided an archived version of a website in order to prevent link rot. I think there is a bot which goes around automatically linking archived versions of websites. If that doesn't seem like the right answer for your question, feel free to link me to wherever you saw it and maybe I can give a better explanation. Happy editing! ~ L 🌸  (talk) 23:29, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

Question from .smoham126 on UTC−12:00 (21:01, 11 July 2024)
مرحبا$ npm audit signatures --.smoham126 (talk) 21:01, 11 July 2024 (UTC)

Reminder: GA backlog drive
Hello! Just a reminder that, if you have time, you are welcome to join the GA backlog drive; it runs until the end of July. You are receiving this message because you signed up on the drive page but have not yet listed any reviews. We hope to see you there! Either way, happy editing! —Ganesha811 (talk) 05:08, 16 July 2024 (UTC)