User talk:Llywrch/Archive10

Closure of WP:GEOBOT
Regrettably I have come to inform you, that this bot project will not go into operation and therefore the project will be closing down. Thanks everybody for their time and support but there is a clear reason why it failed. Dr. Blofeld (talk) 11:49, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

Yes I am sorry to see what happened too. I think it might have been a different story if all that nastiness hadn't have taken place at the village pump. It is clear that kind of cynical attitude is still present and there are still editors who consider my efforts to try to greatly improve wikipedia a cause for amusement see the bottom of this unrelated recent AFD for such un-called for comments. Articles for deletion/Afghanistan–Kosovo relations. If you think you have enough sources for good quality starter articles let Fritz know, perhaps it may become possible in future or/and if we find another bot coder, but the ball is in Fritz's court as to whether he wants to undertake it. RegardsDr. Blofeld (talk) 17:01, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

Hi. I've just found that UN maps are public domain with Template:PD-UN. Any idea how I could upload district maps of Nepal as at Sarlahi District to wikipedia. I;m not familiar with how to save PDF files and uploaded them to wiki. Could you upload one for me? Dr. Blofeld (talk) 17:54, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
 * If you have materials on Ethiopia, perhaps we could have an e-mail exchange about their quality? With the right materials, I am able to work, albeit at a slow pace Fritzpoll (talk) 17:55, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

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Clatskanie source?
Hey Llywrch! Do you vividly recall making this change to Clatskanie, Oregon? Someone has asked on the talk page where this information came from. Since it's been almost six years since you added it, I figured it was time for you to reminisce.

New straw poll
You are a user who responded to Use of logos on sports team pages. As someone interested in the discussion a new straw poll has been laid out to see where we currently stand with regards to building a consensus. For the sake of clarity, please indicate your support or opposition (or neutrality) to each section, but leave discussion to the end of each section. — BQZip01 — talk 23:24, 6 January 2009 (UTC)

Mao, Komo, Kwama
Sorry for my late reply - I was just returning from my Christmas vacation. I wish I could give you a more definite answer, but actually everybody else is just as confused as you are. The ethnic and linguistic situation in the Mao-Komo Special Woreda is not at all sorted out. Various linguists have attempted to do so, but still the picture is not very clear. The problem is that the place is very remote, and nobody wants to stay there long enough to obtain the information it takes. So people work from places like Assosa or Begi or Tongo, and ask informants "Ok, now give me data in the Komo language". And data they get, which they then publish as Komo or Kwama or Gwama language data, not really being discriminate about the names. The confusion is extended by the fact that all these people see themselves as one ethnic group, and they like to call themselves Komo people, although they in fact probably speak different languages. The government authorities in Assosa also have no clue what is going on, and indiscriminately call all ethnic groups and languages of that area "Mao-Komo". And, yes, not many of the people in question speak Amharic, so the linguists going there need to have some knowledge of Oromo to do extensive fieldwork, which most don't (I don't).Ok, here is my take on what the situation probably looks like: All this information I have from a so far unpublished Survey report of a trip undertaken by SIL personnel about five years ago, which I hope will show up soon on this website. But I have to concede that really nothing definite can be said about these languages, especially about Kwama/Gwama/Komo, before a trained linguist is willing to spend some time in places like Zebsher.
 * Southeast of Assosa, around the town Bambassi and way further east, in the Didessa valley, there is a group calling itself Mao. They speak an Omotic language which the Ethnologue lists as Bambassi Mao or Northern Mao. An American linguist, Michael Ahland, is describing this language currently in a Ph.D. thesis, so within two or three years we should have good information about this.
 * North of Begi there are one or two languages (Ethnologue lists two) which are called Hozo and Seze. They are both Omotic, and often referred to as Begi Mao. They are not intelligible with Northern Mao. They are probably not mutually intelligible with each other.
 * North-west of Begi, past the town of Tongo, are two languages, Gwama and Kwama. They are both spoken in the same area, even in the same village (Zebsher), often even by the same people, who are bilingual in these languages. Still, these languages appear to be distinct. Both languages are Nilo-Saharan, from the Koman sub-group. They are therefore close relatives, and the speakers both claim that they are ethnically Komo people.
 * South-west of Begi is another group that claims to be Komo and speaks the Komo language. This is, again, a Koman Nilo-Saharan language, and it may be the same as Kwama, maybe not.

I think you are mistaken about the census data on the CSA website. This is not the 1994 census, but the 2006 census, so this data is actually a lot more current and accurate than anything we had before. Unfortunately, this data does not pertain to languages, only to Ethnic groups. But since they asked about languages during the census, I hope that they will release this information as soon as possible. It would make my day. Best wishes, Landroving Linguist (talk) 09:02, 8 January 2009 (UTC)

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MOD Ethiopia
Firstly, I have absolutely nothing against a separate article. I have prejudices against two-sentence articles. If you don't like creating stubs that short, why don't we leave it where it is for the moment, expand it to eight sentences or so of referenced material and then split it out again. And yes, if United States Department of Defense was a two-sentence unreferenced stub, I would roll it into Military of the United States until it was expanded to a reasonable size.

Does that better explain where I'm coming from? Anyway, quite willing to go back and forth about this. Kind regards Buckshot06(prof) 21:03, 18 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Sure, especially since I happen to be studying civil-military relations at the moment. See what you think and yell if you think I need to make further changes. Buckshot06(prof) 21:19, 18 January 2009 (UTC)

Final version
As a contributor to the discussion regarding sports team logos, I am soliciting feedback as to the latest version of that guideline. Your support/opposition/feedback would be appreciated. — BQZip01 — talk 21:40, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

Germama River
Hi, how is the Germama River not a river of Ethiopia? its presence in Category:Awash River merely indicates that it is a tributary of the Awash River. Cheers. --Mr Accountable (talk) 06:53, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Nope. Awash River category is Awash River category, Rivers of Ethiopia category is Rivers of Ethiopia category, they are separate, they are different, one cannot replace the other.  To create an analogy, "although London is located in the UK, it is also a capital in Europe and is categorized in both capacities."  Both categories apply.  If you don't mind I'll replace the link. --Mr Accountable (talk) 07:05, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Not worth an edit war, perhaps someday there will be a Category:Tributaries of the Awash River. Until then, I'll make that link. --Mr Accountable (talk) 07:27, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

Re-opening the Sky Tate AFD
You might want to re-check your math. By my count, the AFD was closed five days and 19 minutes after it was opened. --Carnildo (talk) 07:29, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

Articles for deletion/RecentChangesCamp
Hey, I wanted to apologize if my comments were misconstrued. I realize that perhaps I have been posting a bit too much in this AfD discussion, and I think I shall take a break from it and back off for a bit. We can (hopefully politely) agree to disagree on whether or not something that has been the subject of one solitary article in a regional paper is notable or not. I have listed the AfD in deletion sorting, so hopefully that will bring in some fresh eyes. I will take a break and wait to see what others in the community think about it all. Again, my apologies, Cirt (talk) 00:06, 7 February 2009 (UTC)

Question re your ANI comment
I agree about the 3RR warning; I should have stopped at two reversions, and not made the third reversion, though I would have stopped (and had already stopped) at the third reversion--though NB that these reversions were entirely consistent with editor consensus in the discussion of the content dispute. But why does it "make me look bad" to correctly identify the Carl Schmitt edits as violating RS, SYN, and WEIGHT when your own analysis of the edits also agrees with the consensus and finds them to be an unsourced non sequitur--i.e., a violation of RS, SYN, and WEIGHT. How should I have phrased it so that I would not "look bad"? THF (talk) 15:08, 7 February 2009 (UTC)

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HD 217107 b
Hi Llywrch! I can't find your good article review for the article. Can you tell me where it is? Thank you. Hekerui (talk) 15:13, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Oh, I see. It was promoted in 2006. I just caught 2008 but that was the topic promotion. Hekerui (talk) 17:29, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

February 2009
Re this edit: disambiguation pages disambiguate Wikipedia articles (WP:D: "Disambiguation in Wikipedia is the process of resolving conflicts in Wikipedia article titles that occur when a single term can be associated with more than one topic, making that term likely to be the natural title for more than one article.") The entries that have been removed several times now have no Wikipedia articles to disambiguate, so are not displayed on the disambiguation page since they provide no navigational assistance to the reader. Wikipedia is not a dictionary (WP:NOTDICDEF) nor an indiscriminate directory (WP:NOTDIR). Please read WP:MOSDAB, and in particular MOS:DABRL: "A link to a non-existent article (a "red link") should only be included on a disambiguation page when an article (not just disambiguation pages) also includes that red link. A red link should not be the only link in a given entry; link also to an existing article, so that a reader (as opposed to a contributing editor) will have somewhere to navigate to for additional information. The linked article should contain some meaningful information about the term." And don't use the UNDO function without changing the edit summary unless the edit undone is obvious vandalism. -- JHunterJ (talk) 13:46, 14 February 2009 (UTC)
 * First, I want to apologize for using the "UNDO" button on your edit. My intent was to revert with an explanation -- not to automatically undo it, & I confused that with the rollback function. I rarely use either, & probably will use them even less after this.


 * Now to the point of your message. My belief is that redlinks are not, in themselves or on disambiguation pages, a bad thing: they encourage the creation of new pages, & thus help improve Wikipedia. However, in your post you did not respond or anticipate this. You wrote nothing about how redlinks harm Wikipedia, nor how their removal improves them. What you wrote was simply a recital of various statements in various policy statements -- which is not the same thing. You've been an editor at Wikipedia long enough to know that the words, & thus the intent, of any given policy can radically change with a few edits, so pointing to them without any explanation why you think the policy helps Wikipedia is not helpful. If policy contradicts writing a useful reference work, then the policy is wrong. Please consider my point here. At best, a disagreement over redlinks -- like this one -- becomes an edit war over content; at worst, it is an example of mechanistic application of policy that seems to affect Wikipedia more & more in recent months. -- llywrch (talk) 06:14, 16 February 2009 (UTC) [copied here by JHunterJ]
 * The current consensus is that red links in themselves in articles are not a bad thing for the reasons you mention, but that red links without blue links on disambiguation pages are a bad thing since disambiguation pages are navigational aids, not reference works (not Wikipedia articles). Red links without blue links provide no navigational aid, which is why the policy against them is helpful. If you disagree with the current consensus against red links on disambiguation pages, please bring it up at Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style (disambiguation pages). -- JHunterJ (talk) 13:39, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

Re: economy of Iran
Sorry for the delay in responding but I was out of the country (USA). Will heed your advice. Thank you for your contribution and time. Much appreciated. SSZ (talk) 22:43, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

Requests for arbitration/MZMcBride
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Forest Park
Hi Llywrch, I wanted to thank you again for your suggestions for improving Forest Park (Portland). It took me a while, but I've added a new section on crime in the park, more about the Olmsted Report, traffic counts on Germantown Road and Skyline Boulevard, and other material related to your input. Before you mentioned it, I had not noticed that about half the land for the original park came through tax foreclosures. I think the article is more complete and balanced than before and presents a park that is impressive but not idyllic and the future of which is uncertain. If you have any other thoughts about the article, please let me know. Your advice was all good. Finetooth (talk) 17:19, 1 March 2009 (UTC)
 * I had not noticed the Almu connection either, although your user name was familiar. This is a pleasant surprise partly because I remember being happy that somebody was paying attention to Ethiopia. The Forest Park red links are fine. I like doing sidebar articles to make central (to me) articles more information-rich, and I may eventually tackle these if somebody doesn't beat me to it. Finetooth (talk) 15:45, 2 March 2009 (UTC)

Nur ibn Mujahid‎
Hi. Thanks for contacting me. I don't have a problem with your mentioning Mujahid's status as Emir before bringing up his Somali ethnicity. The former is, after all, what he was known for. The pre-exisiting wording in the article was just a tad awkward IMHO, so I briefly tried to adjust it. Regards, Middayexpress (talk) 21:55, 2 March 2009 (UTC)


 * I hear you on that. Feel free to edit the page whenever suits you. Middayexpress (talk) 22:18, 2 March 2009 (UTC)

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About the Raaso page
Hello Liywrch, Raaso is inhabited by "sheekhaal" or Sheikhal, Faqi omar, but the name "shekosh" does not exit, also the sheekhaal is not a member of a dir clan, this means no dir clan reside raaso. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Maxman (talk • contribs) 21:53, 5 March 2009 (UTC)

Richard Pankhurst
That sounds a fun anecdote; I feel somewhat doubtful about its truth (they were together for some years), but if your source is reliable, it'd be interesting to include it in the article. I'm not too concerned about the title of the article, but he seems to be most commonly known just as "Richard Pankhurst", so I preferred to disambiguate the name, and quite a few people seem to get his initials the wrong way around. Warofdreams talk 01:11, 7 March 2009 (UTC)
 * No, that's just paranoia ;) I corrected a couple of links with his initials the wrong way around, and there still are a couple, plus a websearch turns up some other people doing the same thing - you are not alone! Warofdreams talk 18:13, 7 March 2009 (UTC)

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Help me with editing?
Hello. I see that you are a member of the Ancient Egypt Wiki Project and I ask if you could help me by cleaning up my English in my recent changes to Khaemwaset page as I am not a native English speaker? Thanks to you, Setna —Preceding unsigned comment added by Setnakhamwas (talk • contribs) 22:02, 9 March 2009 (UTC)

Chuckle
LOL, I just caught this comment. I think you may be on to something. It's like when you get one of those messages "file read error, click OK to continue" and after you click, the box reappears in the middle of the screen, and again, and again. Sometimes you just have to laugh rather than let frustration get the better of you .... All the best, Antandrus (talk) 00:54, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

Sino-African relations
Hi Llywrch. I've been working recently on the article and since you've contributed to it recently I would like you to have a look at it if you got some time. Any comment or copy editing would be much appreciated since I am planning to make that article reach a GA status at least. --  FayssalF   - Wiki me up® 17:36, 19 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Good luck with that. I did take a glance at the article, & was glad to see you corrected that comment about Sino-African relations beginning with admiral Zheng He. (Yes, he played an important role, but wasn't the first from China to visit Africa.) I don't know what resources you have access to, but the book by Richard Pankhurst I cited in the article contains a lot of information about trade evidence between East Africa (specifically the Horn) & China before 1800, some of it dating as far back as AD 900. Stuart Munro-Hay's Aksum: An African Civilization of Late Antiquity also discusses evidence of a pre-Islamic Chinese visit to the ancient kingdom of Axum. I put it on my watch list to see how you improve it. -- llywrch (talk) 18:04, 19 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Thanks. Well, I do have no access to English books for the moment. I am just looking at Google Books and Scholar. I'll do my best. --  FayssalF   - Wiki me up® 18:43, 19 March 2009 (UTC)

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Semien province
Much as I am glad that you are helping to write articles on Ethiopia that might never get written, I'm at a complete loss at why you insist on equating "Semien province" with "Semien Wollo Zone"; they have almost nothing in common, except minor details such as both are located in the Ethiopian highlands, & both having "Semien" -- which means North -- in their names. You might as well link "Semien province" to any article with "North" in it, such as North Dakota! (And the reason I haven't written an article on Semien province yet is that I'd rather wait to create one when I have the time & material to write more than a two-sentence stub that would help no one.) -- llywrch (talk) 06:22, 21 March 2009 (UTC)
 * You are correct. I will leave Semien Province as an empty link.  I guess I was so pleased to see additional input on this subject that I did not want to lose any forward progress ... even on a slimly related link like that one.  BTW, very much appreciate everything you have written.  Best Wishes.  Mkpumphrey (talk) 14:41, 21 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Question: Concerning "Regents" in Ethiopia, is there something I do not know?  I always thought the Regent ruled during the minority or inapacity of the real ruler.  Examples would be Prince Paul of Yugoslavia or even Admiral Horthy of Hungary.  Many of the write-ups about the Ethiopian Regency of Haile Selassie refer to Haile Selassie (or Tafari Mokannen) as the "regent."  This really does not work with any definition of Regent that I have seen.


 * ALSO, concerning Ayalew Birru, is the "Birru" in this person's name the same as "dollar bill" too? I have not found too much on him but I did want to "link up" warious references with a quick write-up.  Mkpumphrey (talk) 14:54, 21 March 2009 (UTC)

Forest Park novel
Thanks much for the tip. I didn't see the TV news, and I was unaware of the novel. I will certainly mention it in the article. Finetooth (talk) 18:05, 24 March 2009 (UTC)

Habari
if you close the afd i will renominate it on the basis that your closure was inappropriate Misterdiscreet (talk) 22:44, 30 March 2009 (UTC)
 * obviously the reasons i gave in Articles for deletion/Habari (2nd nomination) were invalid (if they were valid the article would have been deleted) and yet the afd was not closed then. to close an afd now due to invalid reasons is highly inappropriate when that one was not closed. besides, WP:CCC is a reason, regardless of what you may believe Misterdiscreet (talk) 22:52, 30 March 2009 (UTC)
 * i'm not trying to annoy you - fact is, consensus can change. certainly the two people i cited as thinking the article should be deleted had reasons for saying what they did. is that not reason enough to retake the consensus? and as for my "I don't like it" justification - people said that's what my reason essentially was in Articles for deletion/Stephen Colbert at the 2006 White House Correspondents' Association Dinner (2nd nomination). it's strange that being subtle about it is ok but being discrete about it is not Misterdiscreet (talk) 23:05, 30 March 2009 (UTC)

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Invitation to Meetup/Seattle6, a focus group
Hello. I'm part of a research group at the University of Washington (Seattle campus), and my group is reaching out to Wikipedians in the Puget Sound area. We're hosting a focus group designed to gather information on what Wikipedians would like to know about each other when interacting on Wikipedia. Our end goal is to create an embedded application that helps people quickly know more about others' history and activity on Wikipedia, and we feel our design will be much more useful if it's based on insights of users like you.

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Heads up
You're being discussed here, in regards to that Sheree Silver articles for deletion. The creator, Spring12, seems bound and determined to belittle and discount anyone who voted delete. Shoemaker&#39;s Holiday (talk) 04:19, 6 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Agreed, but I know I'd have liked to be told when discussion was involving me, so I figured that it was only polite to warn everyone =) Shoemaker&#39;s Holiday (talk) 05:21, 6 April 2009 (UTC)

I didn't mean to offend you, so apologies if I did. No harm was meant. Spring12 (talk) 15:53, 6 April 2009 (UTC)

Review
If you want to review the book you suggested, go for it. A review that focused on its relevance for Wikimedians sounds great.--ragesoss (talk) 22:12, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

Synthesiomyia nudiseta
I would like to personally thank you for peer reviewing our article. I really appreciate all your input! Your suggestions are being taken into high consideration while editing our article. Thanks again! amahajan17 (talk) 15:43, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

Diocletianic Persecution
Thank you for commenting on my article at peer review! I believe I've addressed your concerns, although I invite your thoughts on how to improve the article's coverage of the Donatist schism. Since Donatism is a topic that deserves its own article, I've treated it in a more summary way than some of other contemporary phenomenons. I'm wary of attempting to give the movement too much detail here, if only for concerns about size. Thanks again! Geuiwogbil (Talk) 20:04, 16 April 2009 (UTC)

Contacting you?
How can I contact you re. your blog & a possible story? Do you have an email addy?

Thanks!dottydotdot (talk) 14:22, 20 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Thanks, got the message, haven't emailed you yet, will get in touch over the next few days! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dottydotdot (talk • contribs) 18:55, 20 April 2009 (UTC)

Wiki Greek fraternity
LOL!! Shoot! I wish I'd been a member. Perhaps we should form a wikipedia Greek fraternity :-). Just for the record, my fist Greek search was Greek.com, it turned out to be a port site (but thankfully no longer). As for Greeks.com, that was the fraternities site and sponsored by Pizza Express or some pizza house. Apparently some (national) Greeks complained about usurpation. Can you believe what poor old Greeks have to go through :-) ? But that site must have been bought out as well. Now 'Greek' is just another serious word like all other nationalities. Ah well, those were the days. Politis (talk) 18:43, 20 April 2009 (UTC)

A Portland editor
Llywrch, hi. I hope you're doing well. I'm told the weather is lovely in Portland today, but I'm no longer in the region. I left Seattle and moved back to Texas last summer, and I'm in grad school here, getting some more mathematics in me. I'd like to introduce you to my friend Daniel, User:DECouch. He's an old friend, but a new Wikipedian. The context for me telling you this isn't simply a new user account; Dan is at Portland State, and he's been developing a writing curriculum for a range of ages that involves contributing to Wikipedia. You've probably seen some of the cases where professors assign students to edit here, and it sometimes has led to some small problems. Eager to avoid that, Dan has been in touch with me about how the course will run, and how to keep everything on the good side of our policies, etc. I think his idea has merit, and could be a productive educational experience, for his students and for our readers. I'm wondering, as you're in the area and knowledgeable about our project, would you mind if I put him in touch with you? I've already offered to be his admin-on-call, but it might be helpful to have another contact or two. Of course, geography is largely meaningless in this context, but I think it would be good to be in touch with a local editor because the students will probably be selecting articles to develop that fall under WikiProject Oregon. If nothing else, this message is a heads-up that some students may show up in a few weeks or months and start working on local articles. If you don't mind being a local contact, I could send him here, or I suppose you can just message him. If this isn't something you want to put on your plate, I perfectly understand, and I thank you for reading this far. Take care. -GTBacchus(talk) 20:27, 21 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Congratulations! I imagine your hands are pretty full, but what a great reason to be busy. :) Tell little Rachel I say, welcome to the world! I'll pass Dan a link to your page here. Cheers. -GTBacchus(talk) 20:54, 21 April 2009 (UTC)

Re: template
1. Never, ever have I expressed a "desire to remove every article of the form 'X-Y relationship'". Do you see me crusading to eliminate France–Thailand relations or even something which could conceivably be built up, like Lithuania–Russia relations? No. Dark talk of a "dangerous obsession" that "might get [me] banned" is terribly misplaced - let's remember what happened to the guy who was creating this stuff. And actually, what is happening is that worthless articles (not "good" ones) are being deleted through an open process (or have you seen me step outside the bounds of process?), though if sources turn up at a later date, no one is stopping users from recreating them.

2. My current encounter with Ethiopia is admittedly part of the bilaterals business, although I have edited Ethiopia-related articles in the past. And rest assured, I have no intention of delinking red links you may have created in articles.

3. I find the redlink farm in that template rather unnecessary, but I have zero interest in pursuing the matter further. - Biruitorul Talk 04:55, 25 April 2009 (UTC)

Ethiopia template
thanks for your message. I don't mind if you restore the templates however "they also have a notable African Studies department at their major university" is not really a notable reason for a country country relationship. as it relates to Africa not Ethiopia specifically. LibStar (talk) 08:06, 25 April 2009 (UTC)

re Boke disambiguation
My doing. There is much to discuss. (Up at project disambiguation or Boke talk.)Proofreader77 (talk) 22:09, 27 April 2009 (UTC)

Llywrch, Kudos for trying to get that solved without edit warring and drama. It didn't work, of course (human nature being what it is), but it was an honorable attempt. --Floquenbeam (talk) 12:18, 28 April 2009 (UTC)

The specific attack is pertinent to the issue of "BOKE"
Do not redact my statements. The quotations have had the BOKE changed to B__E to prevent search engine issues. Proofreader77 (talk) 06:18, 29 April 2009 (UTC)

I see, boke.com
Changed all but that one. Yes, that would be a problem... BUT the nature of the attack illustrates why it is important to keep such an attack out of Google snippets ... Engineered there by abuse of Wikipedia. Proofreader77 (talk)

Re: redaction (reply to your comments on my talk)
Excuse delayed response (power outage here, earlier).


 * RE: repeating the lead/lede of the attack text which appears in Google result snippet
 * The diffs don't tell you what the Google snippet was, and that's what started all this.
 * The attack text unambiguously conveys what "all the fuss is about." (Clearly we all agree that that text would never be allowed in Wikipedia, and why it is reasonable for the person attacked that way to attempt to prevent repetition&mdash;appearing at Google#1 can cost the target their livelihood, e.g., contract work. Who would want to work with such a person?)
 * Repeating it at intervals was because I don't expect anyone to read all this page ... but it all there for reference. A framework of terminology and concepts, etc.


 * re: the long text I've created (quickly) ... In day-to-day handling of common situations, an exchange of a few words is enough. But in a situation like this, which is a combination of several semi-new issues (and unique handlings) ... and a new participant which most have never encountered ... yada yada yada :) ... i.e., For the moment, long texts. Hopefully, (eventually) short. But we're not there yet.


 * Also re my long texts. Beyond the content, the amount is a communication of how much careful attention I am giving to this. Yes, that comes at the cost of creating some bad perceptions, but it is a balance I have weighed, and, at this time, believe is worth that cost.


 * PS long texts :) -- Part of the length is due to the dab-cleaners refusing to pause to discuss my concerns. And THAT has become another issue altogether (which causes even more words ... which SHOULD have not been necessary).

In any case, thank you for your time and attention amidst this strange experience. :) Cheers. Proofreader77 (talk) 23:49, 29 April 2009 (UTC)

AFD Re-opened
As you are an editor who had been involved in the Afd discussion of Jennifer Fitzgerald, I'm here to let you know that I re-opened the discussion on the article to gain a stronger consensus. After some discussion with a few other editors I agree that I may have closed the article too hastily and that further discussion is necessary before a final decision is made. Best wishes, Icestorm815  •  Talk  19:28, 29 April 2009 (UTC)

Commenting on me behind my back
I appreciate it if you didn't use my name behind my back in a negative fashion like you did here. Centralized_discussion/Bilateral_international_relations. LibStar (talk) 16:29, 2 May 2009 (UTC)

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Rating
Hello, I've tagged the article about Shabo language as Top because the WikiProject_Languages has decided to apply a rating system where the most representative language of a group of languages must be Top rated. You can comprobe it in the rating scale of the project and if you believe it could be better in another category according with that rate, please, talk it to me. Remember that the scales of every project are independents, so the same articl can be rated on importance in a different way. What must be more or less the same is the class rating. Regards.--Auslli (talk) 07:44, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Like you could seen, the rates I've proposed and like I was tagging was in the sense you believed, and for the common people maybe it could be the best one. Like from a linguistic scope, it has been decided the actual table is what we use.--Auslli (talk) 07:11, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
 * What? -- llywrch (talk) 07:42, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

Gregorian mission
You commented on the Peer review of this article, and I've spent some time working it over, any chance you could look it over again and let me know if you feel it's in better shape? Ealdgyth - Talk 15:47, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

Re: Mengistu

 * Thanks for your note. There's also some practicality behind the principle, though: Wikipedia can still be embarassed, even by supporters of a mass murderer. Also, if we can limit negative and potentially negative information to what we can reference to reliable sources, then we -- and particularly our article on Mengistu -- can be much more credible to our readers, including the ones in Africa. Best of luck with finding the sources. As I mentioned on the Mengistu talk page, I no longer think there's a BLP issue with the grandmother, since it's extremely unlikely she's still alive, and it's unlikely the father's alive, given Mengistu's age. Overall, I like the article, and it surprised me to find out that Mengistu is alive. I'd always assumed he was killed in the coup. (posted on my talk page and yours.) -- Noroton (talk) 14:36, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Just saw your note at AN/I. I had no idea there were so many other problems with the article. It looked OK to me, now, but I only took a quick look at it. It's great that you're cleaning it up. -- Noroton (talk) 14:39, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

Meatball and AN
I made a small change to one of your comments on AN, just to demonstrate a better way for linking to meatball (if you do that often). =) You can see a list of such prefixes (called interwikis) at Interwiki map on meta if you're curious. The benefits of this over a hard link should be: 1) shorter form than a straight hyperlink, and 2) link resilience should the site be moved/archived (your link will update to whatever the interwiki map on meta is changed to). Anyways, hope that was okay with you, heh. —Locke Cole • t • c 04:42, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

Re:Ugaz Abdulrahman Abd Ghani
Hello. On first inspection, I don't see anything that really jumps out. Ugaz, for instance, usually does translate as "chief", so there's no problem with that. Middayexpress (talk) 21:05, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

thank you
Thank you Thank you for your contribution to Article Rescue Squadron/How to. What a great idea! Ikip (talk) 17:33, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

book review
How's the review coming along? If you're far enough along, it'd be convenient for the Signpost schedule to publish it in the 1 June, 8 June, or 15 June edition.--ragesoss (talk) 14:07, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Poke. :-) --ragesoss (talk) 03:26, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

Do me a favor
And stop jumping on me and assuming bad faith, you have no idea how I work or think, and yet you think you have the right to paint me various colors with no evidence. I know we're building an encyclopedia, contrary to your paint of me on Jimbo's page, and, contrary again to your bad-faith assumption, I had no idea the alternate accounts were those of Bish, or did you not bother to read my starting post? Please stop with the assumptions, and the painting. If you want to interfere, fine, do so, but do so after you had read all the relevant material.—  Dæ dαlus Contribs  22:25, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
 * no longer gave a damn whether Daedalus was an established user or just someone who hadn't learned that the goal of this project was to create a useful encyclopedia.
 * this diff, in which you make an assumption in regards to my motives.
 * In case you have not realized, and, I'm going to note his as well at the ANI thread, it was not about Bish. I don't associate similar sounding usernames when the behavior tied to each account does not match that of the master.  The purpose of the thread had nothing to do with Bish, as I had no idea she was involved.  For someone that tells me to assume good faith, you sure have a lack of it in regards to me.  As I stated, numerous times.  The reason for the thread is explained clearly in the lede.—  Dæ dαlus Contribs  23:34, 23 May 2009 (UTC)

my application
Thank you, you gave comment about my application. My application is dismissed. I will get better than now. Thank you.--Bukubku (talk) 16:38, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

Re: Ethiopian Orthodox Church
What you are doing makes me so angry, I can hardly type. Please take a look at what you are doing. You have repeatedly inserted a bunch of lies about the Ethiopian Church beliefs, that you got from the "Library of Congress". You have not used neutral language to describe the attitude of this biased outside source, an attitude few Ethiopian Orthodox would share. I DARE you to go to Ethiopia and tell Habeshas their religion is mixed up with paganism, or "non-Christian elements"! Do you think any Orthodox would agree with that assessment, even ONE? No, historically they have never responded too kindly to the people who have tried that. An outside POV statement needs to be attributed and balanced; on all the proper WP articles, the subject's own views are explained, often with firsthand statements. 70.105.41.85 (talk) 23:23, 1 June 2009 (UTC)


 * I told you that you are making me angry, too. As for the rest of it, see Talk:Ethiopian Orthodox Tewahedo Church. (Responded to here because an Anon IP does not always see edits to his talk page.) -- llywrch (talk) 23:31, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
 * I think one thing that might help in such a situation is a version of that is specific for a section of an article, rather than an entire article. Also, I once saw a template (or some other tool) that would indicate that multiple sentences (e.g. the paragraph in question) were using the same citation, but now I can't find it. -- Gyrofrog  (talk) 17:36, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

Sub-Saharan DNA admixture in Europe
Hello, I noticed that you were once involved in a dispute on Sub-Saharan DNA admixture in Europe. The dispute has restarted and there are two polarized groups. Unfortunately a compromise between the two positions appears unlikely. To reach a lasting consensus, input from some independent editors appears to be necessary. If you have any free time, your contributions on the matter will be welcome. Regards Wapondaponda (talk) 17:23, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

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Thanks
For your comments at WP:ANI regarding the sockpuppetry. — BQZip01 — talk 22:18, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

You have been nominated for membership of the Established Editors Association
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Please collect your prize here. Paul August &#9742; 19:16, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

Hopwood Park services
Hi ! An article you have been involved with has been tagged by its parent project as needing a little attention or further development. If you can help with these minor issues please see talk:Hopwood Park services.--Kudpung (talk) 10:18, 19 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Hi! You won't remember because it  was four years ago, and because the AfD the debate was about something else (Watford Gap Services) but  was used as an excuse for a 'no  consensus' on the Hopwood article after it had been AfD'd. The current  article as it stands is devoid of notability, and is a blatant advert. No worries -I sent  a message to  most  of the people who  had etited the article at  sometime or another. I'll wait  a couple of days more and if there is no  response I'll, tag it  for a speedy kill.--Kudpung (talk) 16:45, 19 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Yes, Watford Gap services is notable, because itwas opne of the very first  British motorway  service areas, and for a couple of other reasons. But fifty  years later, there a re now hundreds of M-Way services in the UK, and Hopwood is certainly  nothing  special. The current  article is little more than  a list  of all  the franchises it  hosts, and written like a travel  brochure. --Kudpung (talk) 17:04, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

paid editing statement
You may want to collapse your statement into another one along the same lines: Requests for comment/Paid editing. However you do make some slightly different points, so I can understand if you think your statement should stand tall and free. John Vandenberg (chat) 12:58, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

E1b1b
Hey Llywrch, if you're not too busy, we could use your moderating influence in the editing of the Haplogroup E1b1b article. This is the newest discussion section, but most of the current conflict is over a single sentence (quotation) from Coffman-Levy about its "Africanness." Can you spare a minute and help out? &mdash; ዮም  |  (Yom)  |  Talk  • contribs • Ethiopia 16:58, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

The relevance of Wales
I saw your post on "The future" - before launching your own RfC - you might be interested in commenting on Wikipedia talk:Arbitration Role of Jimmy Wales in the English Wikipedia. regards --Joopercoopers (talk) 07:19, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

look at this
AC removed sections declining his request and other comments and made a new one, http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3AArab_Cowboy&diff=301828348&oldid=301828144 --Supreme Deliciousness (talk) 09:03, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

Ethiopian Titles
Hi -- I noticed you have been adding English noble titles to various Ethiopian articles. The problem with your practice is that it is greatly at odds with the practice observed in the usual accounts of Ethiopian history & culture -- as well as Ethiopian practice. Ethiopians simply use the titles of "Dejazmach", "Ras", "Negus" & so forth. Substituting them for "Duke", "King" & so forth simply confuses those who are familiar with the subject. I've been reverting your edits -- as you have noticed; I hope you don't mind, & apologize if doing this offends you. -- llywrch (talk) 22:04, 11 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Hello ... My intent is to make the material more accessible to those who may not be familiar with the subject ( ... I have a hard time believing an educated person who is at all familiar with the subject would be "confused"). In addition, this is the "English" version of Wikipedia and so it hardly seems out of line to have an English equilalent provided.  For these reasons, I have been reverting your edits.  Cheers!  Mkpumphrey (talk) 12:21, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
 * CONSISTENCY - Emperor (not Nəgusä nägäst) is used throughout Wikipedia for Ethiopian Emperors. Empress Zewditu was referred to as "Empress" throughout Wikipedia ... until the Ethiopian equivalent was added (I know I have done this).  King and Queen are prevalent as Ethiopian titles as well.  It seems like it makes more sense to explain what a Dejazmach, a Ras, or a Negus is one time in English and then, as I have done, use Dejazmach, Ras, or Negus throughout the text. Mkpumphrey (talk) 12:31, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
 * ITALICS - Busy boy! It appears to be a Wikipedia standard to italicize foreign words.  However, you do not appear to like italics.  If you do not mind, could you please explain what logic you are using to remove the italics?  Mkpumphrey (talk) 12:39, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
 * They are confused because you put using your reversion here "Duke" in first place, not "Dejazmach". Doing so makes it appear to those new to the topic that the Ethiopian practice is to refer to their nobility by English terms -- which is no more correct than to use English titles to refer to Japanese nobility in this way. Even then, the English titles are only a rough equivalent of the Ethiopian ones. If you were to change it to something like "Dejazmach (equivalent to 'Duke' or,in this case 'General')". As for italics, AFAIK I have not changed any of them, & if I did, it was by accident; I'm actually undecided about italicizing these words, & I'm actually inconsistent about italicizing foreign words when editting Wikipedia. Lastly, are you aware that your phrase "Busy boy" comes over as condescending? If it was intentional, I am puzzled at your tone. I have tried to be courteous -- if not friendly -- to you because I honestly appreciate the work you have contributed to these articles, & hope you will continue contributing in this subject area for the indefinite future. -- llywrch (talk) 15:52, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
 * I do not understand the entire "Duke" vs "Dejazmach" portion of your comment. I have never knowingly indicated that a "Dejazmach" is a "Duke."  I have placed the term "Duke" in front of the term "Ras" one time in an article.  From that point on I use the term "Ras."  In a like manner, I have placed the term "Commander of the Gate" in front of the term "Dejazmach."  IMHO, it allows those English readers reading the English Wikipedia to better understand what is being discussed.  If you think something like "Ras (roughly equivalent to Duke)" and "Dejazmach (roughly equivalent to Commander of the Gate)" works better, please let me know.
 * Concerning condescending, I take it as rude when someone makes wholesale changes to work just completed. Taking credit after the fact is not exactly courteous.  Whether or not I appreciate your contributions or whether you appreciate mine is not all that important when our actions are rude.
 * Concerning the italics, unless there is a super secret level of editing, you are the person reverting the italics. Maybe you do not mean to do it, but the result is the same.  You seem to indicate that you are ambivalent about the italics.  To me it makes sense to italicize words foreign to the English which have not been incorporated into common usage.  All I ask is that you make a definitive and convincing statement about italics or leave them alone.
 * CONSISTENCY - Most of the articles related to this subject matter (Ethiopia 1880-1950) are just maddening when it comes to consistency. In many examples, titles (like Ras) are actually made out to be part of a person's name.  My attempts  have been to make it clear to new readers (God help serious students of Ethiopian history if they are using Wikipedia without backup) that a Ras or a Dejazmach is not a first name.
 * You may have also noticed that I have started to use the entire Ethiopian name once and then a shorter version is used ... unless it makes no sense (for example, when discussing Haile Sellassie Gugsa and haile Sellassie in the same article, it is probably better to over-use the entire name). Thoughts?  Best Wishes! Mkpumphrey (talk) 16:25, 13 July 2009 (UTC)


 * A lot of points I want to respond to:
 * You're right about "Duke" & "Dejazmach": it was still early in the morning here when I typed that & hadn't had my caffeine fix yet. I had meant to write "Duke" with "Ras".
 * As for "wholesale reversions" I only proceeded to doing more than the first one after I left you a note explaining what I was doing; that part of the "be bold" policy at Wikipedia. (Then comes "discuss", which is what we are doing here.) The material on the page does not belong to anyone, so you shouldn't take sweeping reversions personally, no matter how frustrating you may find them; they aren't expected to be directed to anyone, & if they are it may infringe on WP:NPA. But since comments on talk pages are directed towards another person, they may be read in a negative way -- which, again, I believe you did not mean to do. Anyway, I didn't mean to frustrate you with my numerous revisions.
 * Further about Ethiopian titles: with the exception of "Wagshum" "Shum" can be safely replaced in almost all cases with "governor" -- that's all a "shum" really is. ("Wagshum" is a specific post with a distinctive tradition associated with it.) Another example is "Prince" -- prior to 1950, this doesn't seem to be a concept in Ethiopian hierarchy: the son of the Emperor was known either as a "Dejazmach" or "Ras", or "the son of the Emperor"; after 1950, AFAIK, "Prince" or "Princess" is what they were known by. As for your suggestion about the gloss in the parentheses, that's what I was hoping you'd do.
 * Which italics are you talking about? I was thinking about edits over the last few days, & if I did then it was an accident. If I had made them before then, I wish you had mentioned this to me sooner, so we could have discussed the matter then. Part of the reason I am inconsistent over the matter -- actually any matter of style -- is due to my belief at the moment over whether it worth discussing. I often tolerate a style because I know there is too much material that needs to be added in this area, & I don't want to delay working on it because I was squabbling with someone over some minor point of style. Sometimes I adopt a specific choice of style for a while, then change my mind because another way makes better sense, & if I remember I will try to go back & make my edits consistent.
 * About names, (1) I agree with you about those instances where titles are presented as if part of a person's name; & (2) using the shorter version of the name in mentions beyond the first, where it does not confuse the reader. (Actually, it makes good common sense, so I hope you're not asking because of something in my attitude.) FWIW, the Manual of Style shows a moment of intelligence by mentioning that the title can be used in place of the person's name -- one can call Ras Haile Selassie Gugsa simply "the Ras", for example.
 * Lastly, a lot of the inconsistencies will not go away soon; resolving them depends on a consensus about what the practice should be, & at the moment it appears that the entire WikiProject Ethiopia is yours truly -- which means that anything written in the MOS would simply be an attempt on my part of usurping authority. Most of the other members have either fallen away from Wikipedia or lost interest in the WikiProject. So unless you'd like to help contribute there -- or know someone who can -- articles relating to Ethiopia will continue to have an inconsistent appearance. :-/
 * I hope this clarifies what my opinion is on these matters. -- llywrch (talk) 20:51, 13 July 2009 (UTC)


 * See Revised version. If this works for you, it works for me. Enjoy!  Mkpumphrey (talk) 02:45, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

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Devious, shadowy, and unethical
I hope that here you were not suggesting that I am devious, shadowy, or unethical?

Well, I might give you "shadowy", but all three is a bit much. -- Thekohser 01:42, 15 July 2009 (UTC)


 * While I wasn't the first to introduce paid editing to Wikipedia (I believe that Erik Moeller was casually rattling his cup, even before the Reward Board was up and running), I believe I do hold the distinction of founding the first registered business with the intent of editing Wikipedia for payment. Paid editing then became a mainstream media sensation for a while, and that's why the article about my business is notable enough for Wikipedia. Sorry about your Mustang.  I've driven Fords or Ford-owned products (Volvo, Mazda) for the past 16 years... but I gave in this Spring to the lure of a Kia Rio for getting back and forth to the train station each weekday. The instrument gauge on the Ford Focus was just too repulsive. -- Thekohser 11:20, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

Ras Barnstar of National Merit
Wow. Thanks for the barnstar. :) -- Negus llywrch (talk) 21:33, 15 July 2009 (UTC)


 * I hope that is not sarcasm. Either way, you do good work and I regret the back and forth over the titles.  I like to think that I do this for fun and I will try to keep that in mind in the future.  Dejazmach Mkpumphrey (talk) 15:01, 16 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Nope, that wasn't sarcasm. (I knew that my response could be read that way -- which is why I included the smiley.) I just plug away & hope that I fill enough of the holes that the articles are useful to someone. And you deserve praise for working on those 2nd Italo-Ethiopian war articles; as a result that's one of best-covered episodes in Ethiopian history. -- llywrch (talk) 16:02, 16 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Concerning the Second Italo-Ethiopian War, the sad part to me is that much of the history found in Wikipedia is not up to the understandably low(-ish) standards of those Ballantine books sold back in the early 1970s.


 * Please take a look at a look at a version from not that long ago From an odd little article not all that long ago. I picked this version because it has a broken link for "Italian War Crimes in Ethiopia 1935-1941" in the "See also" section.


 * I am currently thinking that there could be a whole article on Ethiopian uprisings. I am finding that almost every Emperor faced challenges throughout their reigns.  It all started innocently enough with a closer look at the 1943 Woyane Rebellion ... and it grew from there. Mkpumphrey (talk) 16:38, 16 July 2009 (UTC)


 * About the peasant revolts in Ethiopia: so far the best book I've found so far on the subject has been Gebru Tareke's Ethiopia, Power and Protest: Peasant Revolts in the Twentieth Century, which covers the 3-4 major rebellions between 1945 & 1974. (I'd write those articles, but distilling the information from even one source into a coherent article is far more work -- & requires a large block of time which I rarely have nowadays -- than simply mining sources to improve existing articles.) -- llywrch (talk) 16:57, 16 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Thanks! Amazon.com has it at a reasonable price.  Any recommendations for "pre-1945 modern" information. Mkpumphrey (talk) 17:08, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

BBC News (8:00pm Summary)
An anon user is creating a page for the BBC News (8:00pm Summary) with virtually no content, just an infobox. I have reverted the page several times to the redirect to BBC News, only to have the page changed back. I even resorted to issuing a Warn1 Warning (along with a couple other warnings) for vandalism after the fourth revert. Would it be possible to protect the page? -  NeutralHomer •  Talk  • 05:23, 19 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Thank you kindly :) -  NeutralHomer •  Talk  • 05:28, 19 July 2009 (UTC)

Somalia
So if there is no Somalia working group, is there some way that I could start one or get one started? The only subject that I could claim any expertise in is economics and I am the furthest thing from a Somalia guy. I just fell into this mess because I happened to be reading some Somalia page that was a mess. I'd rather leave such things to someone with a bit more experience (with both Somalia and Wikipedia), but if it must be done it must be done and I'll do it. --Nogburt (talk) 20:10, 21 July 2009 (UTC)

A bold proposal
In an attempt to turn a divisive RfC into something productive I have created a new page. I hope you will come and do what you can to help make it work: Areas for Reform Slrubenstein   |  Talk 00:25, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

Start Rating of Article
Hello Llywrch. Thank you for your Start rating on my Ethiopian Mapping Authority article and invitation to join the Project. It was only my second article and it was really written as an offshoot of my initial article, Ethiopia-United States Mapping Mission. I have also ventured into editing a few other articles on Ethiopia as a result of that initial article, but that pretty much exhausts my expertise concerning Ethiopia, even though I served there as a topographic surveyor with the U.S. Army in the late 1960's, so I would probably not be very effective as a Project member. My real expertise lies in mapping, surveying, geodesy, photogrammetry and digital cartography, as I retired from the U.S. Geological Survey after 32 years. I have noticed considerable mistakes, omissions and weaknesses in articles in those areas as I wikilinked to my first two articles, so I have decided to spend some time trying bring the level of mapping and geodesy articles up to snuff. I intend to cooperate with your Project's goal of raising the level of articles about Ethiopia, however, and I will certainly keep an eye on the discussion pages of my article, and do my best to incorporate any new and productive information. Thanks again for your attention. Armysurveyor 19:12, 23 July 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Armysurveyor (talk • contribs)

Mass deletion
Hi. On ANI you said something admins misusing AWB, so may I ask if I'm one of the people you're referring to? – Juliancolton  &#124; Talk 19:12, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

ANI thread
Just a heads up that there's a discussion concerning you at ANI. Exploding Boy (talk) 20:33, 24 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Per my comments in that thread, those articles should be redeleted. Would you mind working on them in your user space until you've got refs for them, per the AFD?  Exploding Boy (talk) 00:41, 25 July 2009 (UTC)


 * I think this is a bit of a unique situation, but it would go a long way towards calming things down. I've taken the liberty of creating User:Llywrch/temp (linked also from your user page) and placing the contents of those pages there (with the exception of Hans Pohl which doesn't seem to exist) and deleting those pages.  Per the AFD you can recreate them when you've fleshed them out and added refs.  I'll also close the ANI thread.  Hope this is ok with you.  Exploding Boy (talk) 02:36, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

WikiProject TRANSWIKI
Hi. In light of recent events and community concerns about the way in which content is transferred I have proposed a new wikiproject which would attempt to address any of the concerns and done in an environment where a major group of editors work together to transfer articles from other wikipedias in the most effective way possible without BLP or referencing problems. Please offer your thoughts at the proposal and whether or not you support or oppose the idea of a wikiproject dedicated to organizing a more efficient process of getting articles in different languages translated into English. Dr. Blofeld       White cat 12:50, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

Yes LOL. No its sources to be external linked at the bottom of the entire lot of commune articles I started on Mali, haven't got around to that one yet. Also,very soon, I am changing my user name to User:Himalayan Explorer, Blofeld is being eaten by the piranha in the Japanese volcano I think! Dr. Blofeld      White cat 16:06, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

Just noticed on looking through the tons of bilateral nominations you also like me get annoyed with that way it is done. Good to see I'm not the only one who feels the same way about content removers. The majority of these article could be fleshed out significantly. Dr. Blofeld      White cat 16:24, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

Exactly! Well the Bald One is repentent of his old evil and is considering it. But it may bring down the servers... so I may have to resconsider... Dr. Blofeld       White cat 16:30, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

Yeo, looks like I'm being stuck being bald anyway. I guess its warmer inside a magma filled volcano than it is wandering the plateau. Dr. Blofeld       White cat 19:51, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

LOL. Saw Constitution of Ethiopia red linked in one of your articles. It has been started, perhaps it could be expanded into another Ethiopian DYK? Dr. Blofeld       White cat 20:50, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

Started Abiye Abebe and Alem Zewde Tessema. Perhaps you have a book mentioning them? Dr. Blofeld       White cat 11:29, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

Yeah often the books that contain vital info like that cost a fortune. I know that the books needed to develop the article on the Dalia Lama and related subjects were out of my price league. The libraries in my area generally have a very poor representation of studies into histories of each country like that. You'lll get tens of books on the Boer War but frankly a few pages in one book for other conflicts in Africa. You could always look in google books, increasingly they put whole books online. Dr. Blofeld       White cat 17:37, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

Hi!
I knew that there was more but I have really no knowledge of my own, so I figured a meager stub was the best I could do... I also pasted in 1987 Constitution of Ethiopia and 1955 Constitution of Ethiopia from a PD source. I'm not sure if the main article should deal with an overview of all the constitutions, or only the most recent constitution. Do you know what other countries do? Calliopejen1 (talk) 21:17, 27 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Here's 1931 Constitution of Ethiopia too. Calliopejen1 (talk) 21:20, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

Forest Park
Thanks again for your most helpful peer review of the Forest Park (Portland) article, which made FA this afternoon. Finetooth (talk) 01:16, 19 April 2009 (UTC)
 * And now it's to be featured on the main page on July 31. I don't know how it was chosen. Finetooth (talk) 04:48, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

Nathan_Myhrvold memo
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Nathan_Myhrvold

Hello, you added on 2008, march a NPOV ribbon on myhrvold article. WWell I won't discuss what is not my competence. But i am writting here because someone hyperlinked the memo you were looking at and someone commented on 2008, september.

But neither NPOV statement nor discussion page were updated. Please have a look. You may answer but I do not guarantee to log on quite often.

Regards pyl (talk) 22:30, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

Thansk for your update, I'll have a deeper look monday pyl (talk) 00:25, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

Sure
Thanks. I'll take a look in the next few days. Busy weekend. -- Noroton (talk) 23:10, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

Those were good additions. I think it's fine, overall, although it would be better to have a source for that first paragraph in the "Early life" section. Thanks for improving the article and thanks for telling me. -- Noroton (talk) 02:26, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

Rohl's attack on you
See the top of Talk:New Chronology (Rohl). I've given him a standard warning and asked him to read WP:AGF. You might want to see the more recent comments on the bottom also. Dougweller (talk) 17:45, 5 August 2009 (UTC)


 * DR: Thank you for putting him straight. I'm afraid Doug is exhibiting worry signs of confusion and what appear to be fundementalist leanings which might explain the unfortunate sources he is adding to his edits. David Rohl 18:54, 5 August 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by David Rohl (talk • contribs)
 * I was confused about the edit - less haste, more speed or however the saying goes. I've apologised, and I'm an atheist. Dougweller (talk) 20:17, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

Re: Emperors and Presidents of Ethiopia
I agree with you, let's discuss this change. I think that it's better to have separate List of Emperors of Ethiopia and List of Presidents of Ethiopia, than a unified list that mix all rulers of Ethiopia together. I hope that we'll come to agrement without any bad opinion about each other. If you want to reply, go to my talk page. -- Eric Edwards (talk) 12:05, 17 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Thank you for replying. Well, i don't understand why you want to keep on the same page names of HIM Haile Selassie I (who give Ethiopia its first Constitution in its history and so many other good things during his rule) and communist dictator Mengistu Haile Mariam (who killed 100.000 people)? Why you don't think that it's better to have separate articles about Emperors and Presidents of Ethiopia? Is that so big, complicated, giant problem? Next, what kind of conclusion you want? Maybe referendum among other users? I please you to stop reverting very resonable edits. If you want to reply, go to my talk page. -- Eric Edwards (talk) 19:42, 17 August 2009 (UTC)
 * I understand that we have opposite opinions, but you should think about this: How can you put on the same list rulers from completely diferent era, political system, system of government and, of course, completely diferent about achievements (or misery) that they left in legacy to their people? Think about next example: HIM Mohammad Reza Pahlavi of Iran (who conducted White Revolution and give Iranian women right to vote) and Ruhollah Khomeini (who returned Iran back to middle age) have their names on separate lists. I please you to stop reverting very logical edits. If you want little more debate about history or my UN-CIVIL MANNER & STRONG OPINION about these subjects, go to my talk page. -- Eric Edwards (talk) 23:00, 17 August 2009 (UTC)
 * How dare you to wrote these insults to me and then say Good luck & good bye!? How can you say that i don't care about your opinion, and that i am unable to work with other people on Wikipedia!!?? Man, i spent so much time yesterday trying to discuss this matter with you, do you really think that i am not interested in your opinion???? As a prove of this, i have a question & proposal to you: You said that i converted a major article like that list into a redirect without any previous discussion -- or even an announcement that i am considering doing that. Well if i discuss it on a talk page of Rulers and heads of state of Ethiopia, would you then accept division of that list to List of Emperors of Ethiopia and List of Presidents of Ethiopia? You know how to find me. -- Eric Edwards (talk) 12:27, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
 * "Good luck & good bye" is my way of saying "This thread is over & I see no further point in talking to you" -- as is (unless I explain otherwise) posting a response on my own talk page. Or would you rather have me say something unkind like "Either go away or drop dead, but please do one of them"? -- llywrch (talk) 15:42, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
 * No man, i will not go away or drop dead until this thing is discussed. Believe me, i have no pleasure talking to you, but i must defend honor of HIM Haile Selassie I vs. bloody communist dictator Mengistu Haile Mariam (you don't see any difference bethween them, i am so sorry of you). You even didn't respond to my question & proposal to you: If i discuss it on a talk page of Rulers and heads of state of Ethiopia, would you then accept division of that list to List of Emperors of Ethiopia and List of Presidents of Ethiopia? I repeat, i will not go away or drop dead until this thing is discussed. BELIEVE ME. -- Eric Edwards (talk) 18:38, 18 August 2009 (UTC)