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Block
When are you going to unblock me? Is this your way to deal with things, blocking indefinitely your "opponent" so that he can't speak?--151.47.76.121 23:45, 15 July 2006 (UTC)
 * You should be ashamed of yourself. You blocked me indefinitely, and for what?--151.47.99.159 09:54, 16 July 2006 (UTC)

Libya
Please feel free to evaluate the Libya article which has become a 'Featured Article Candidate' and write you support or opposition on Featured article candidates. Hopefully Libya will become only the second African country to be featured on Wikipedia. Thanks --User:Jaw101ie 12:28, 16 July 2006 (UTC)

Re:Hello
Thank you very much for the invitation to the project, Llywrch. I am, however, reserved about joining, because I really don't have any knowledge to add to the Ethiopia-related section of this wiki. Everything I know about the country and its people, languages, etc... comes from National Geographic, the New York Times, and, of course, Wikipedia. As with all articles on this encyclopedia, I'll certainly edit Ethiopia-related ones if there is anything I know I can do, but I think I'd let other members of the group down if I joined and accomplished nothing but copyediting. I'm sorry to turn down the offer, and I'm glad you agree that Yom deserved the barnstar (that was only the second one I've ever given, I think). Picaroon9288 03:06, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

Harbai
I've found out some more info about him. Best not to delete the article just yet - they may be distinct (though Harbai may be legendary...). I'm going to research it further. &mdash; ዮም  |  (Yom)  |  Talk  • contribs • Ethiopia 02:19, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

User:Panarjidde / User:Panarjedde
Greetings Llywrch

Sorry for bringing this one up, but I just noticed the current content of this page. I don't know if you've seen it already. Btw, the same user has removed the "sockpuppet" template from the IP addresses, but pretty much replaced them with a confirmation that they are socks. I'm not enough aware of policy to know the proper way forward here, but I just wanted to let you know. Anyway, happy editing. Regards. Valentinian (talk) 19:42, 19 July 2006 (UTC)


 * You're absolutely right. I keep forgetting it. :) Valentinian (talk) 19:48, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

Dorze
Hi, why did you add in the Dorze article that Arba Minch and Chencha are in Debub Omo Zone when they seem actually to be in the Semien Omo Zone? Badagnani 20:00, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

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Gnaa, Nigeria
In response to your comments:
 * "Having worked with the NGA database for Ethiopia, I'll freely concede that it has some interesting problems. However, no one has looked in the Nigeria database to determine what the story might be."
 * "And let me repeat, how about a closer look at the NGA entry. For all we know, the answer may lie in that source"

I don't know if you saw the stuff I posted to Wikipedia talk:Articles for deletion/Gnaa, Nigeria (3rd nomination):


 * "NGA Places" ≠ "Towns"
 * Fallingrain.com's population data and their use of NGA's "places"
 * fallingrain.com's population stats

Please let me know what I'm missing here. You can download the NGA's zip file from http://earth-info.nga.mil/gns/html/cntry_files.html as I did myself a day or two ago. I think they refer to Gnaa and the other 55 places as "populated places" (except for several rivers.) All of the populated places are given an importance of "null" as explained in NGA's description of the report's field names:
 * "Populated Place Classification. A graduated numerical scale denoting the relative importance of a populated place.  The scale ranges from 1,  relatively high, to 5, relatively low.  The scale could also include NULL (no value) as a value for populated places with unknown or undetermined classification."

I've spent hours on this stuff, but I don't have your experience -- can you take it from here? I've got all the NGA data in a spreadsheet with distances to Gnaa. I also have links in it to all the fallingrain's 43,229 pages, too. I'd be happy to send this to you; just send me an e-mail.

As for looking on the Nigerian government web site, Google's search for Gnaa on .ng pages turned up zero pages, as I noted in the AfD (that's out of 400,000+ indexed). Since Gnaa is in the middle of an area where there was a fair amount of government vs. Tiv violence several years ago, I would expect it might have gotten in the Nigerian newspapers (which have considerable web presences). There were several thousand people killed.

Also, let me know what other holes are in the data and links I posted to the AfD and the talk page. Collectively, I thought all this stuff told a compelling story.--A. B. 05:42, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

Core topics COTF -- Biotech
Maurreen 09:16, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

Ahmose I Under Peer Review
I want to ask for your input on the Ahmose I article I and another editor have been contributing to recently. He's place it up for peer review and I would particularly welcome any comments you may have on this article, in particular any holes you may see in it, or areas you think need more material. I don't think we are aiming for Featured Article status just yet, but we're at the point were any useful criticism from someone with more than a passing interest in the subject would be appreciated. Cheers! Captmondo 15:04, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

Personal Telco up for deletion
Personal Telco is up for deletion. --Liface 17:11, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

Another IP
Another Panairjdde sock showed up: Ryūlóng 22:37, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
 * I can see through the IRC vandalism watch channel that you've blocked this address, but he'll just disconnect and reconnect with a new IP. Ryūlóng 22:43, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
 * I have no idea anymore. The only feasible thing would be to do the /16 (or whatever) range block, but as you said that would prevent a hundred thousand Italian users from editting Wikipedia. I've read that a similar issue happened with the Gibraltar vandal in which the entirety of Gibraltar was blocked from editting the English Wikipedia. I just want him to leave me alone. I'm tired of having to revert his edits and have him contact me because I was involved by the edits I checked on at #vandalism-en-wp. Ryūlóng 22:53, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Ryūlóng 22:55, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Centrx did a range block on 151.44.0.0/16, too. As I'm contacting him through the IRC channel. Ryūlóng 23:16, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Meh, this guy registered a new name: Ryūlóng 23:25, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
 * I told you, I'm talking to centrx in real time in the IRC channel. The entire range is now blacklisted. Ryūlóng 23:30, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

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RE: Johnny Lee Clary - Please help
Hey there, my name is Nick, my username is Potters house and I have encountered a problem with trying to provide any information about Johnny Lee Clary. I have posted this post off to other staff members also. I am not sure if this is the best route to resolve this, but can think of no other way.

The article Johnny Lee Clary has been deleted. I have known Johnny through telephone conversations and email for a short time now (about 3-4 months). He recently came and shared his life story in for our church group for the first time just two weeks ago. Before I met Johnny I became interested in his story i.e. his conversion from the head of the KKK in the US, to being a Christian Minister who now teaches against race hate groups. I found the article Johnny Lee Clary as it still is today, deleted, except for some small talk. If you read the talk you see what I have said at the time (notice I have gotten no reply, probable my fault as I don’t know heaps about WIKI policy). From my understanding Johnny Lee Clary was posting as The KingOfDixie and looks like he tried to change a few things on Wiki concerning the KKK. While this is a controversial subject, Johnny being the former leader of the KKK would probably know a thing or two and be able to contibute, but that’s another story. He eventually made an article about himself i.e. Johnny Lee Clary. Johnny being quite new to Wiki and ignorant of rules of conduct found himself at odds with some admins and had his site deleted.

Whilst observing Johnny over the last 3-4 months I have noticed that he is very outspoken against race hate groups such as the Neo Nazis, Skinheads, KKK etc. This, more often than not, lands Johnny in the hot seat. He has experienced persecution from racist groups for his departure from the KKK and voiced opinions against these racist organizations on his webpage, www.xkkk.org. Johnny has also received multiple death threats.

Because of his bold stance against these racist groups Johnny has become accustomed to hatred directed at him by those same groups. Johnny concluded that perhaps the guy who deleted the page Johnny Lee Clary was a white supremist. I am hoping to clear this up. Before he told me this, I started to create J L Clary, after hearing nothing from posting in user talk on Johnny Lee Clary's article. I wasn't 10 minutes into the J L Clary article when it was issued a deletion notice, and then before I had time to reply (about 5 minutes) it was deleted! I was amazed. I told this to Johnny and he said the main reason he was told that he couldn't have an article was because he was not prominent enough.

Johnny has a very famous testimony and has been on multiple TV shows like Oprah, Donahue, Jerry Springer, etc, and even recently when he preached in our town he made front page news, a double spread on his life, and the local ABC interviewed him live, which is not bad for our town (LISMORE NSW Australia) See http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=John_Kerry&dir=prev&offset=20050327125109&limit=500&action=history.

When David Wilkerson came to our town hardly anyone knew or cared, yet David Wilkerson is allowed an article (and rightfully so), but more people know of Johnny. As to whether he is famous or not, just Google search him and see all the TV interviews and radio interviews he does. He hangs with some of the most prominent Christian leaders in Australia. Besides this, just being the former KKK leader should be enough for an article (he doesn't even get a mention in the KKK one, and would be deleted). He was also a Pro Wrestler. So he is prominent in Christian circles, he is prominent amongst race hate groups, and he is also prominent in the WWE wrestling.

Johnny asked me to test the waters for him to see if he was being persecuted by someone from a race hate group. So I created some sites, John Clary Wade Watts and Operation Colorblind - the name of Johnny's Ministry. These have been fine until yesterday. I cannot understand why these sites are just issued a deletion notice? Just because they mention JLC? I was hoping to discuss these things but they are just deleted. The one on Wade Watts is about a black gospel preacher who was one of the leaders in the civil rights movement in the US and was good friends with Martin Luther King. He took Johnny Clary under his wing and even ordained Johnny as a minister (to this day Johnny is the only white man ordained in the All Black Baptist Church). But his article is up for deletion because I mentioned Clary and had a link.

That is why I am writing to you to see if you can help. It seems to me that the person(s) deleting all articles which even mention Johnny Lee Clary has an agenda. I thought that wikipedia admins had to keep a neutral stance on every article. It seems like this guy has a vendetta against JLC. Why delete the Wade Watts article. That is guilt by association and could be proof that all deletions are because of racial discrimination! I hope this is not the case and would think that it is politically motivated, as Johnny is a strong supporter of George Bush and Antaeus Feldspar of Kerry.

See:

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=John_Kerry&dir=prev&offset=20050327125109&limit=500&action=history This shows how Antaeus Feldspar supports Kerry, which is fine, but Johnny is a strong supporter of Bush.

My hope is that Johnny will be able to have an article like any other famous person, minister, former KKK leader, or pro wrestler, and that Johnny and anyone connected with him and his ministry will in future have certain rules set in place that do not allow the wholesale deletion of the articles associated with him, but that they will be at least discussed.

I thank you for reading this long winded post. I have only been using WIKI for about a year myself so I need your help, I don't really know what else to do. I hope you can help. I personally think that Johnny's story is one that is beneficial to the cause of reconciliation between races and to the3 unity of society as a whole. It would be a shame if WIKI became known for having covert racists. Of course I hope that this is a misunderstanding and that all will be cleared up soon.

Here are some links that might help.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wade_Watts

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:TheKingOfDixie

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Colorblind

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Threeafterthree

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Potters_house

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_policy

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Antaeus_Feldspar

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=John_Kerry&dir=prev&offset=20050327125109&limit=500&action=history This shows how Antaeus Feldspar supports Kerry, which is fine, but Johnny is a strong supporter of Bush. Perhaps the bias is political and not racial?

The link for page: John Clary has already been deleted!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Alabamaboy

Please notice that his link was taken from the KKK site the same day:

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Ku_Klux_Klan&diff=prev&oldid=65690238

then

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Ku_Klux_Klan&diff=next&oldid=65690238

Also note his contributions: Featured articles: ·	African American literature -- My first featured article. Thanks to everyone who gave feedback. While I didn't start the article, I obsessed on it for an entire month and wrote most of the copy. ·	Ku Klux Klan -- I began work on this article after it became a featured article. Since then I've mediated several editorial disputes on the article (including one of which kept the article from being delisted as a FA) and made a large number of edit. Potters house 00:23, 27 July 2006 (UTC) Nick.

Panairjdde IP
Could you do something about the latest Panairjdde sock, he is again edit warring, has repeatedly placed a spurious sock template for one of his socks on my talk page, and made arguments all over the place. Cheers, ፈቃደ (ውይይት) 00:29, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
 * I am quietely discussing on Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_%28dates_and_numbers%29, and my position is getting supporters, while your reverts to my edits have been reverted by others. So you come here and cry. Well done.--151.47.119.2 00:34, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

Wikimania
It would be a short flight I think, but unfortunately I can't make it...if Toronto had won the Wikimania bid, I would have been able to walk across the street, but alas. I have work and school to keep me busy...sorry! Maybe next year, depending on where it is. Adam Bishop 20:43, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

Abune Yosef
In Articles for deletion/Abune Yosef you indicated a desire to write an entirely new article on what Abune Yosef really is (a mountain). The AFD has closed and the slate is now blank. GRBerry 13:04, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

Eritrean-Ethiopian War
Can you help me out at this article? Merhawie and I are discussing changes, but there's an anonymous IP that continuously adds POV material without discussion (I unsuccessfully tried to talk to him/her on one of his/her many IP's discussion pages), as well as copyrighted material (and I keep getting close to breaking the 3RR). Thanks in advance. &mdash; ዮም  |  (Yom)  |  Talk  • contribs • Ethiopia 03:33, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

Nice to meet you
Nice to meet and talk to you tonight. See you tomorrow I hope. Paul August &#9742; 04:02, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

Battle of Chalons
I have edited the "turgid" language on battle of Chalons. Well, I must admit it was sometimes difficult to understand because so many statements were spread across one sentence. Can you proofread it and put it back for rating afterwards? I think you will get good or featured now. Wandalstouring 22:17, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

You are sadly mistaken monseiur what are you insinuating sir?FrenchDude 01:25, 10 August 2006 (UTC) merci

Tuf-Kat at Wikimania
Thanks for your note I wanted to go to Wikimania this year, but just couldn't make it happen. Money's been tight lately and all that. If all goes well though, I'll make it to the next one. I've actually never met a Wikipedian in person, so it'd be nice to meet someone else.

Yeah, life before the ArbCom and all that seems pleasant in comparison to now... It all just sort of snuck up on me, like one day I opened my watchlist and ten edit wars jumped out of my computer and slapped me. I guess back in the early days I always thought it'd be great if a bunch more people showed up and actually fulfilled Wikipedia's promise of intelligent and dedicated people massaging every nuance into a paragon of information. I guess that's kind of what we got... just turned out to be a bit messy, and not really a linear development. Even with more people, the 'pedia feels more lonely.

Worst troll I ever dealt with was DW, followed perhaps by Lir. I think. Tuf-Kat 03:12, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

Spellings
I was about to say that Hosaena should probably be spelled Hosayna, but I found the fidel spelling in the CSA report, which is "ሆሳዕና" (hōsāʿinā). The "e" should then be an apostrophe (or spiritus asper) followed by an i, then. It seems to be in Limo zone, though, not Hadiya (unless Limo is a subset of Hadiya). &mdash; ዮም  |  (Yom)  |  Talk  • contribs • Ethiopia 20:26, 10 August 2006 (UTC)


 * I'm not sure we addressed the question of apostrophes in titles yet on the transliteration discussion, but it seems to be used in Arabic transliteration, so we should probably go ahead and use it. Also, regarding Nur ibn/bin Mujahid, the standard seems to be bin rather than ibn (another article not yet created, I know). The Arabic MOS seems to be going for Ibn to start a name (e.g. Ibn Battuta) but bin when its in the middle of the name (e.g. Osama bin Laden). The Encyclopaedia Aethiopica seems to use the same standard, though of course the Volume containing "I" hasn't been published yet. No need to change the links now, though. You're right that it's fine to wait until the article has been created as that way we can identify all of the links to the article instead of having to search. &mdash; ዮም  |  (Yom)  |  Talk  • contribs • Ethiopia 22:05, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

Any thoughts on being an Assistant Military Project Coordinator?
Your work is excellent, and you are both willing and able to work with others. Have you given any thoughts to running for an assistant coordinator position? Kirill is going to be reelected, and rightly so, but he needs good assistants, and your knowledge and skills would make you an excellent choice. Are you interested? old windy bear 21:07, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

Panairjdde (again)
Hello.

I am the one behind Panairjdde. I am writing you because I would like to regain my account. I admit I did not behave, and that my "good points" were not good enough to do what I did.

Is there a possibility to have my account back?

Best regards, P.


 * Response left on User talk:Panairjdde. -- llywrch 00:26, 14 August 2006 (UTC)


 * I told you I can't log on Panairjdde, because I "closed the account". Without a regular account I cannot email you. Should I create a sockpuppet to answer you? :-)
 * P.


 * Go ahead & email me at llywrch AT agora DOT rdrop DOT com (make the obvious changes & it should reach me). -- llywrch 01:04, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

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Afar Sultanate
Good job on expanding it, but I do have some questions. First of all, I think it should be moved to Awsa Sultanate, as I don't believe it was the only Afar Sultanate ever to exist, as well as being more descriptive (perhaps more common, too I'm not sure). Secondly, are you sure it didn't exist between 1672 and 1734? Who was Umar Din bin Adam? See here, an article by Richard Pankhurst, where he notes that an Arab living in the area, Murad, states that the kingdom was a vassal to Ethiopia during the reigns of Yohannes I and Iyasu I, so the Sultanate must have existed in some form. Looking through the articles in Encyclopaedia Aethiopica, the Awsa article says that "`Umardin" was a ruler of Awsa that counterattacked against the Oromos who had killed previous Sultans, and the Afar history article doesn't say anything about a break between 1672 and 1734.

Checking out Pankhursts "Borderlands," book seems to clear up the situation. I'll quote in full:


 * ''A generation or so later Imam Adam's son and successor, Imam ;Umar-Din, gathering a larger force than his predecessors, undertook an expedition to the Afar country, where he fought, on behalf of its inhabitants, against the Basso Oromos. He was reportedly victorious and seized many Galla children as slaves. He later carried out other successful expeditions against the Oromos, who are said to have accordingly become much dispirited.
 * Despite these victories the power of the Awssa state was by then seriously weakened by internal disorders. In a period of seventy-three years the territory had no less than ten rulers, four of whom were killed in battle, and two deposed. The Imamate suffered moreover from the fact that its capital had been transferred to a remote area near the Afar country, while the port of Zäylä' and the walled city of Harär had both become virtually independent. Awssa, isolated from its old contacts with these important settlements, could no longer hold its own against the Afars. Amir 'Umar-Din Adam, who assumed office in 1672-3 [AM 1665? - my comment],  was the last Adäl ruler of Awssa. Not long after his accession the old Adäl state, over which he had presided, crumbled, and the Afars, as we shall see, gained absolute supremacy over it.  [Pankhurst, Richard. The Ethiopian Borderlands: Essays in Regional History from Ancient Times to the End of the 18th Century. Asmara, Eritrea: The Red Sea, Inc., 1997, pp.382]

It seems that the Awsa sultanate was a semi-independent part of Adal, or that it was independent, but ruled by someone from Adal (meaning from Adal descent?). 1672 doesn't mark the end of the sultanate, then, but rather its beginning of independence from Adal. This late date is weird, however, as it started paying tribute during Susenyos's time, when it would have (nominally?) been part of Adal, while I do not think Harar and Zeila were vassal to Ethiopia at the time (on the other hand, a source I found regarding a dispute at Abd al-Rahman al-Jabarti states that Zayla was "ruled by the Abyssinian Negus").

On an unrelated note, going back to our discussion of Ethiopia's access to the coast, the same article on Afar history states that the Afar were at least nominally vassal to the kings of Shewa (it does say they claimed "King of Adal," rather than of "Denakil," though, so it may only refer to southern parts, I'm not sure). &mdash; ዮም  |  (Yom)  |  Talk  • contribs • Ethiopia 03:32, 15 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Check out Rulers and heads of state of Ethiopia, the anon Serbian IP is back again. &mdash; ዮም  |  (Yom)  |  Talk  • contribs • Ethiopia 19:47, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

Assessment
Quick note regarding geography assessments. In general, I think Woredas and Kebeles should probably be Low unless they have special importance, and zones at Mid importance like you've been doing. Keep up the good work assessing! (P.S. Don't worry, I'll make the assessment page sometime later today). &mdash; ዮም  |  (Yom)  |  Talk  • contribs • Ethiopia 20:00, 17 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Sounds good to me. I thought there might be some information in the CSA reports. If not, though, I'm sure we can get some info for the major cities. The Papers of the xxth International Conference of Ethiopian Studies should help us out some regarding economic and population data. I only have access to the 12th, which was in 1994, however. The one I have has a lot on economics and the like, so I imagine a later one could help us out in writting articles on the kebeles. &mdash; ዮም  |  (Yom)  |  Talk  • contribs • Ethiopia 20:10, 17 August 2006 (UTC)


 * What do you think about the importance of leaders? I would think that all Emperors with reigns longer than a year or two would be listed as High (excepting those of the Zemene Mesafint), with only the four most celebrated recent ones being labeled as top (Tewodros, Yohannis, Minilik, and Haile Selassie). However, I'm not sure exactly how to rate some of the provincial heads and smaller kingdom heads. I've been going with Mid so far, what do you think? I can imagine how a few could be labeled as low, but I haven't come across any yet that I would label as such (e.g. all Rulers of Ifat, Adal, and the like have been "Mid" so far). What about generals? There aren't many articles on them now, but there are a number of generals who could use articles in the medieval period that I would probably rate as Mid, but being more focused on History, I'd like a second opinion. Note that I've been labeling all historical regions as "Mid" so far, too, though a couple may merit "High," or only be "Low." For instance, where would you put Begemder? High or Mid? Note that I've been putting Aksumite kings at "Mid," while Kaleb and Ezana should be "High." Do you think some of them should be "Low"? &mdash; ዮም  |  (Yom)  |  Talk  • contribs • Ethiopia 23:02, 17 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the insight. The only possible medieval top ones would be Zara Yaqob, Gebre Mesqel Lalibela, and Amda Seyon I, really. To be honest, though, I was going to rate those "High," and only the four I mentioned earlier as "Top." I can see Za Dengel as "Low," along with Amda Seyon II, both of which had very short reigns. Yaqob would probably still be "Mid," IMHO, but Tewodros I would be the exception for length at "Mid," given the traditional view of his short reign as a golden age, and the subsequent prophesy. I would put Libne Dingil at "High" given the importance of his reign. Gelawdewos would probably just be short of "High," but Fasilides and maybe even Susenyos would probably qualify. The only non-Zemene Mesafint Kings who would be Low are the ones mentioned above, the Sons of Yagbe'u Seyon, the Kings in between Yeshaq and Zara Yaqob, and a couple of the late Gonderine kings. You're probably right about the rating for Aksumite kings. I think a couple merit "Mid," however, such as GDRT, Endubis, and Ashama ibn Abjar (possibly also Aphilas), for their special importance. Ousanas might also qualify simply because he was Ezana's father (non-king qualifiers would be Abraha, Frumentius, the legend of Abreha and Atsbeha and Gabra Masqal, supposed son of Kaleb who purportedly took power in 534). &mdash; ዮም  |  (Yom)  |  Talk  • contribs • Ethiopia 23:49, 17 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Yes, they're just opinions, but you made me realize on further thought that most of those articles should be rated "low." I wasn't thinking objectively. Just accept a compliment when you're given one. ;) &mdash; ዮም  |  (Yom)  |  Talk  • contribs • Ethiopia 04:18, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

Hey
Hi, I've never spoken to you before but do you mind considering reading over this and seeing if that makes any sense to you? I feel that you might have a good deal of expertise on this matter..unless I'm somehow wrong.. -- Palffy 07:56, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

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Re: About Jürgen von Beckerath
I personally have never heard of him, so I searched by books for other Egyptologists who cite him. My only more or less current book with a good bibliography, Grimal's History of Ancient Egypt, seems to cite nine different works of his, so he doesn't sound like a quack at least.

One of my professors is a professional Ph.D. type Egyptologist, and I've been making a list of things to ask him over the last month or so, and I finally get to ask him after I move back to school tomorrow. I might not actually get to see him for a few days afterward, but when I do I can ask precicely how reputable Beckerath is. I can say now that he clearly isn't too bad a sort. Clearly not a David Rohl. Thanatosimii 21:13, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Ok, I asked my professor today about this fellow, and he says that von Beckerath is a very well known German Egyptologist who does exceptionally good work. I think his work would be quite a help for straigtening out the chronology. Thanatosimii 19:11, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

Re:Negus
Great additions to Lalibela, I'd seen those articles before but didn't think to incorporate the material from it. I've been a little busy lately so I haven't been able to make many content additions to many pages, and it will probably stay that way for a while as the school year rapidly approaches. Regarding the word for drum, I think you're referring to the negārīt (more common is keberō, which is for music), used for calls to arms. However, I don't think this etymology is correct. It's been noted by some authors in the past, but I haven't seen it often repeated. It's more likely connected to the stem "NGR" in EthioSemitic languages (including Ge'ez) meaning "to talk" or "to speak" (cf. Amharic verb "menager," "to talk," "menegager" [i.e. geminated central consonant/reduplication ], "to converse"), relating the drums name to a literal "calling" to arms. The construction CaCāCī (modern pronounciation CeCāCī, C=consonant) is common in EthioSemitic, and "negārī" would mean "speaker" in Amharic (Ge'ez nagārī), with the final "-t" probably a feminine marker (still productive in Tigrinya and Ge'ez, only productive for Nationalities in Amharic), so put all together "negarit" would mean a "(feminine) Caller [to arms]." That being said, I don't have any references for this etymology (though I do have a couple for the CaCāCī noun formation in Ge'ez and -t feminine marker), but I am very skeptical of the Negus/negarit connection. I'm going to remove it for now until we can further analyze it, but it has been in print a number of times, so we can't dismiss it outright. &mdash; ዮም  |  (Yom)  |  Talk  • contribs • Ethiopia 23:18, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

P.S. Have you finally gotten a Ge'ez font yet? On a related note, is there any way for your Ethiopian Geography bot to extract the Ge'ez characters from the Population PDF to be included in its automatic page creations (I would imagine the transliteration could be included as well, with an assumed Ge'ez pronounciation for consonants but modern "e" for first order vowels instead of short "a"). &mdash; ዮም  |  (Yom)  |  Talk  • contribs • Ethiopia 23:22, 27 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Hmmm.. I'm not exactly sure what they were supposed to reference, but I have an idea. I can't seem to find my copy of Church and State right now, but let me fix the references based on what seems correct for now so that you can expand the article. &mdash; ዮም  |  (Yom)  |  Talk  • contribs • Ethiopia 06:19, 29 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Check out Controversy over the race of Ethiopians. I've nominated it for deletion here. &mdash; ዮም  |  (Yom)  |  Talk  • contribs • Ethiopia 10:09, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

Meetup
Looks like Meetup/Seattle4 will be happening September 9, 2006. - Jmabel | Talk 01:45, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

Seattle Wikimeetup

 * Hi, I just noticed where you live. Are you aware that we've been having Wikimeetups in Seattle for a couple of years now? There's one in September, details here.

Hey it's cool to see some fellow northwesterners in here! Thanks. Unfortunately I'm not much for social get-togethers any more, so in all likelihood I'll have to give it a pass. I appreciate the notice though. &mdash; RJH (talk) 14:10, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

Emperors
What would you think about a sort of collaboration (but not a true one) regarding the Ethiopian Emperors in which editors would add content to the existing articles one by one, chronologically? Please respond at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Ethiopia/History. &mdash; ዮም  |  (Yom)  |  Talk  • contribs • Ethiopia 04:13, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

Adowa/Menelik
Thanks for your comment on my talk page. Much appreciated. I knew, when I kept that clipping, it'd come in useful some day.

Another Ethiopian myth - at least I suspect it to be - that needs exploding is the old saw about Menelik and the electric chairs. I imagine you know the story I mean... the one about him being told of the great new scientific method of execution introduced in the US and ordering two electric chairs for his kingdom, only to discover they needed electricity to work and turning one into his imperial throne instead. The story crops up constantly in ahistorical sources but I've never seen it mentioned, even to be debunked, in any scholarly biography of the man. To me it smacks too much of a patronising, colonialist view of Abyssinia and its rulers to be true, and I added a "Citation needed" note to the reference to the story at Menelik II a while ago. If you know of any definitive reference, though, it'd be well worth adding it.

Ethiopian history still isn't brilliantly covered on Wikipedia. I added a short note on John Kirkham last year - he's one of my long term research interests - and I plan to put up an article on Ras Alula when I have a bit more time, but there's still a lot to do and I'm no real expert on the place. Mikedash 08:23, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

Discussion of Afd (Timtrent, also using Fiddle Faddle)
With regards, the report is about the Afd argumentation. Nothing else. I do not consider it being worth it to unroll the case of Akidd_dublin. Most likely with the argumentation that:
 * Insufficient language usage has never been part of a meaningful article contribution (reference to article passages with weak native english).
 * The talk has most likely been about previous talk, which, itself, was not giving any results.
 * 1 line article edit, one link (added to Red hair) produced 30 pages of comment spam and trolling.

This will be the argumentation, in the case i consider it neccessary to unroll the incidents. Mediation by a NPOV mediator was not being asked for. In the future i need to point this out more directly. Thanks for your concern, however i do not have a language barrier to edit articles. Just sometimes i use wrong sentences (grammar) in discussion pages, like many other people. User:Yy-bo 19:32, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

Removal of unrelated contribution to a report on the incident board
I have removed it!
 * Comment: Yy-bo's user page points to the user page of Nikemoto2511 on Wikisource, which links to a "closed" account Akidd dublin here on Wikipedia. Both Yy-bo & Akidd dublin demonstrate a similarly poor command of English, & appear to edit the same kind of articles (e.g., Baking oven, which has been since moved to Oven, & Red hair). Akidd dublin was a participant in a Mediation Cabal case. In short, this user has been around Wikipedia to be expected to know how it works -- yet still demonstrates he still doesn't know, perhaps due to the language barrier. -- llywrch 20:17, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Do not involve other communities, Red hair/Baking oven have no connection.

It is unrelated to the report. I have noticed you are admininistrator. The contribution is just a flame, with regards. User:Yy-bo 20:24, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

Maraba Coffee
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