User talk:MONGO/Archive03

Hello Spamlist!
Ah, my first ever spam mass produced and mailed to the spamlist. Well first of all let me re-state that we have an irc channel, #wp-esperanza, and its been rather empty, so I'd appreciate it if you come, even if you just idle about. Now, the evil polls have closed, and I left a justification note for running the evil polls. Nothing has really changed, but at least I have somewhat of a consensus. I hope to figure out a way to overturn my power to JCarriker somehow, I'll figure out a way :-) Meanwhile, I've been busy reforming the mediation system where I am the chairman now, er, acting chairman. Enjoy your spam, with extra vikings. R  e  dwolf24  (talk) 00:40, 1 October 2005 (UTC)

Jaxl's RfA
Hi MONGO, thanks for your support vote on my RfA!  Rob e  rt  15:48, 1 October 2005 (UTC)

Resignation
Hello spam list, look at this. Essjay is the new leader of Esperanza, and I'm interested in seeing how he runs it. I'm busy doing other work... Please comment at that talk page there. I will still probably run the spamlist though. R e  dwolf24  (talk) 22:59, 2 October 2005 (UTC)

User:Geordanh
MONGO, why have you decided to delete our handiwork? Members of the III decided to post an article about our community on the internet to show people what we have done and you go destroying and crashing through our hardwork!

I am not strong in English so many of my comments use rocky english, but other members have helped in editing the entries. For you to go deleting our hardwork is very insulting and offensive. We are considered giving up right here and now on the internet community.

Please provide an explanation or at least some form of apology.

Thank you,

Respectfully,

Geordan H User:Geordanh

Stress relief
Thanks for your good advice. I do tend to take on too much. I have been trimming down my responsibilities:
 * Developer - resigned long ago
 * Bureaucrat - used to do all admin promotions using developer access with a SQL query; started the practice of having bureaucrates "run for office" instead of developers just appointing themselves or other; resigned last month (too zealous on name-changing)
 * Mediation Committee
 * NPOV watchdog
 * Civility enforcer

So why should writing articles come practically as an afterthought? I could use some more coaching, Mongo! :-) Uncle Ed 13:40, 4 October 2005 (UTC)

You seem to be saying, write about my passion, write about what I know. Well, I guess that would be Unification Church philosophy and theology, as well as effective software engineering practices. Nothing controversial here. I'm the only one at Wikipedia who knows anything about UC ideas, so I'd have the field to myself. And I know a lot about software engineering, too. Uncle Ed 21:07, 4 October 2005 (UTC)

Advisory Committee election deadline set
Our new admin general, Essjay, has set the date for the advisory committee elections, that date being October 7th. By UTC it is October 5th right now. So see WP:ESP/E for voting in two days, and add yourself to the list if you're interested in running. On a personal note, I'm considering running, as I only resigned as admin general because of time. I'm sure I could help out on the advisory committee... Anywho, watchlist that page, and be sure to read the voting method too. Regards, R  e  dwolf24  (talk) 01:11, 5 October 2005 (UTC)

No hard feelings
Believe me, I understand where you're coming from. It's easy to get drawn into debates like that when you feel strongly about a subject. I wasn't trying to chastize you really, but rather to keep you from being baited by all the sockpuppet trolls that keep popping up and and veering away from the real content issues. Cheers! &middot; Katefan0(scribble) 14:34, 5 October 2005 (UTC)

Protected areas infobox changes
I think it is worth thinking of modifying, but I do not want to just take over without consensus. I am going to initiate a 3 step process: See the project talk page soon. &#151; Eoghanacht  talk 20:19, 5 October 2005 (UTC)
 * 1) Request a vote of whether or not we should modify the infobox
 * 2) If "yes" or "discuss" we allow a period for proposals
 * 3) We have a vote on the proposals.


 * It looks like the new template is a pretty much done deal -- except perhaps the dot size -- but even if it changed by a couple of pixels, that would not a significant impact. I have already started using it for new articles.  I reordered the infobox fields in Shoshone to match the display.  Should you get the urge after today to "upgrade" existing articles, it may be a good time to check on visitation and other stats.  Whenever I get around to modifing an existing article, I am also going to check the categories: I follow a self-imposed theme/designation/location system for categories (see Theodore Roosevelt Inaugural National Historic Site and Vicksburg National Military Park for examples).  &#151;  Eoghanacht  talk 18:18, 28 October 2005 (UTC)

Who are you?
and what exactly bothers you about my user:page? Even better question why are you sending me messages on my user:page instead of my talk:page, where I might actually get them?--Bah' 02:02, 6 October 2005 (UTC)
 * I have no problem with your userpage, but don't understand why it's filled up with what should be on your talk page. Naturally delete it if you wish.--MONGO 01:57, 6 October 2005 (UTC)


 * It's just there to explain why someone with so few edits is all of a sudden involved in the encyclopedia, it's basically just exposition so people know I didn't just fall out of the sky--Bah' 02:02, 6 October 2005 (UTC)
 * hopefully the formatting changes I've just made should make this less confusing, of course now it looks a bit too much like a closed VfD page, which actually makes it more confusing, maybe I'll try a different color--Bah' 02:10, 6 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Frankly I don't know enough about hex to actually make heads or tails of this color system, but at least this: #E4F9EE isn't the same color as a VfD anymore #F3F9FF, so the confusion should be minimized--Bah' 02:14, 6 October 2005 (UTC)
 * I see you're getting a lot of use out of my idea--Bah' 01:42, 13 October 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for your support
Thank you very much for your support on my nomination for adminship. Now that I have been made an admin, I will do my best to live up to the truest you and the community have placed in me. If you ever see my doing something you think is incorrect or questionable, or does not live up to the standards that should be expected of an admin, please let me know. DES (talk) 15:57, 6 October 2005 (UTC)

Big Thanks
Thanks for looking after my User page. I been somewhat distracted lately with this mediation thing. Let me know if I can do anything for you. Thanks again! nobs 03:49, 7 October 2005 (UTC)

How to nominate Somebody
Howdy MONGO, long time no see. I was wondering if you could help me out here. How exactly do you nominate someone for adminship? Do you simply edit the RFA page or what? Thanks alot Ban  e  s  18:31, 7 October 2005 (UTC)

Hey, thanks for that. I am planning to nominate a South African user:Jcw69 this afternoon. See you Ban  e  s  06:46, 8 October 2005 (UTC)

Re:Sorry
To tell you the truth, it's more of my fault than yours. I've had a lousy temper in the past, something that being here on Wikipedia has helped alot. However, I still am at the point where George W. Bush and people like him make me sick. And despite what you may think, and regardless of any "Right/Left" thing, what you said on that RfA puts you as almost as an exact opposite of those Bushites in my opinion. They refuse to listen or grow or mediate like a good Wikipedian would do, they just blindly follow their blanket ideology for their own gain, just like many current high level left wing politicians, unfortunately. There are good people on both sides and there are jerks on both sides too. I'm sorry I didn't get back to you sooner, things have been shitty lately. I've changed around my entire career just so one day I can replace those politicians I just talked about in the last paragraph. I've been losing faith that I can achieve that goal lately, but your comment helped bring back a little of that faith and I figured that deserves a Barnstar that Was Eaten By a Bear. Considering your excellent contributions on Montana and National Park related articles, I'm sure seeing a Bear is no big thing ;-) Karmafist 01:24, 8 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Well, I shouldn't take all the credit on the Barnstar Bear, I got the idea when I was on welcome patrol at User talk:DaisLite, and he deleted someone else's welcome with the phrase EATEN BY BEARS! I thought that was hilarious and decided to make a barnstar out of it, kind of as a hybrid of the Barnstar of Good Humor and The Surreal Barnstar ("The Barnstar of Wierd Humor That Cheers You Up"), but I don't really care what people use it for. Eventually I hope to make a page about it.

And as for the war thing, I completely agree with you there. 99.9% of them suck (Nothing is absolute, plus I enjoy Star Wars, and I think that technically counts), and the only way it seems that we'll be able to eliminate them is by changing ourselves by improving our own dispositions, and by proxy having other people want to change themselves as well by looking at how great we seem after we changed ourselves. Unfortunately, that changing will probably take a lifetime for me, I can be a stubborn SOB at times ;-) See you around, Karmafist 13:58, 8 October 2005 (UTC)

Your support on my RfA
Dear MONGO: I would like to thank you very much for your support of my RfA. I am most honoured by the trust that has been placed in me by yourself and other members of the Wikipedia community; I promise to only use my administrative privileges to assist the community in doing good work, and also to be calm, considerate and careful in working to make Wikipedia a better place. Although I don't think we've met so far, I do look forward to working with you in the future on Wikipedia, and wish you all the best in your wiki-work! Best regards, --NicholasTurnbull | (talk) (e-mail) (cabal) 01:35, 8 October 2005 (UTC)

2005 Kashmir earthquake
Indian subcontinent earthquakes list Thank you for your contribution at 2005 Kashmir earthquake. Please keep it up!!! - P R A D E E P Somani  ( talk ) Feel free to send me e-mail.

Protected Areas Wikiproject
MONGO,

I think it's great that you're doing work with the infoboxes in the Protected Areas project. I wish you had contacted me before you started copying and pasting my Infobox template, though. By copying and pasting the template, you defeat the purpose of having a template in the first place, since no changes or corrections that anyone makes to the template will be reflected in your updated pages. Did you look at the "Template Talk" for that page? It has an example that I think it pretty clear for how to use it. Mrendo 14:49, 10 October 2005 (UTC)


 * Mongo, I was going to give the voting process a week (till tomorrow) and then start programming the template in ernest, with the caveat that there may be some minor infobox content proposals to work through in the following week or so. I may pick a couple of your sites as guinea pigs (to test all the different header colors) and move them to templates tomorrow. &#151; Eoghanacht  talk 13:08, 12 October 2005 (UTC)

See Template talk:Protected Area Table and WikiProject Protected Areas/U.S. Infobox Proposals (2005). &#151; Eoghanacht  talk 20:22, 14 October 2005 (UTC)

Re: Admin
Not yet. If you're offering to nominate, I'll accept, but I dont want to self-nominate. Thanks for the query. freestylefrappe 02:32, 12 October 2005 (UTC)
 * I created a short-stub and an anon user added the delete tag-claiming (possibly mistaking) it was nonsense. Someone (unknown) deleted it and it was recreated a month later after I added it to the Requested articles page. Thanks. freestylefrappe 15:15, 12 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Sorry for the inconvience, but could you send the email again? My email address was off by a letter. freestylefrappe 20:50, 12 October 2005 (UTC)
 * I gratefully accept, thanks. freestylefrappe 01:16, 13 October 2005 (UTC)

When I clicked on the message to my temp page it was linking to the original candidacy from ages ago - I tried to move it to a new location, but when I saw the redirects I realized I had needlessly created a double redirect, and saw the link to the correct temp page. freestylefrappe 01:27, 13 October 2005 (UTC)

Democracy Article
Hi MONGO, your revert of User:4.245.54.149 missed his blanking of the section on Political legitimacy and 'democratic culture'. I have now restored that. Regards. --Cactus.man  &#9997;  10:24, 12 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Just so you didn't revert again, it's happened before and easier to drop a quick note. Anyway... --Cactus.man  &#9997;  10:45, 12 October 2005 (UTC)

Thank you for your kind introduction
Mongo, I appreciate your willingness to apply Hanlon's Razor to my situation, and your warm welcome. I sincerely appreciate both things. As a newcomer to this community, I'm struck by the importance of behaving the way a typical five-year-old does on his first day in a new school. He will stand back for a time from the kids who are playing together, and watch what they do. Then, when he feels the time is right (and God help him if he messes up this timing) he will jump in and act like one of the group. If he "feels the love" then everything is good, and he will stay. My part of it, as a newcomer, is to stand back and observe. That means reading all the articles that target this audience. One thing I read is that deleting a well-intentioned post on your "Talk" page might be regarded as a hostile act, so I will respect that, more or less. I bring this up because I deleted the boilerplate you put at the top of my Talk page, not to throw down the gauntlet, but rather to assert a measure of editorial control over the form of my Talk page. I want you to know I saved all the links (I had seen most of them already, anyway) and I appreciate both the effort and the warmth of everyone I've met so far in this community. --GraemeMcRae 19:53, 12 October 2005 (UTC)

Maoririder
Oh no, no, no, no! I was talking to Tony, not you! I'm sorry if you got that impression. Some other editors, based on Maoririder's editting style, think he's either a child or has some sort of mental difficulties. The word "retarded" was (I believe, since I don't remember using it) used in good faith to indicate some kind of mental retardation. Personally, I think he's autistic. --Scimitar parley 21:14, 12 October 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for your support on my RfA!
Thanks for your support of my adminship!! I was surprised at the turnout and support I got! If you ever have any issues with any of my actions, please notify me on my talk page! Thanks again! Ryan Norton T 03:14, 13 October 2005 (UTC)

Please subst
Please substitute your templates with text when using them on users' talk pages; see Help:Subst. Thanks. // Pathoschild 04:06, 13 October 2005 (UTC)

Footnote bite
MONGO, I think this was leaning towards a bite. To play the devil's advocate, the contributor did provide the links, and if you felt that they should be included in the article, you could have put them in yourself. To be fair, I was (holds up fingers) this close to doing either that or doing what you did, so, um, yeah... brenneman (t) (c) 06:02, 13 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your reply. Again, it would have been almost as easy to put the citation in-line yourself, and would have avoided the user simply reverting you.  Which they did.  If you had other concerns about this edit, this discussion could have been avoided by using the talk page of the article and stating them.  As to, "I see no reason for your comment" if I've offended you, it was not my intention.  brenneman (t) (c)  07:20, 13 October 2005 (UTC)

Re: Vote here link
If I go to here Requests for adminship and click on the vote here link then I get Editing Wikipedia:Requests for adminship. However, if I click on the edit link on the right hand side I get to the correct votin page. I think it must be a problem here as I've never seen anyone else notice it and this is not the first time I've had this problem. CambridgeBayWeather 08:09, 13 October 2005 (UTC)

Harriet Miers
I agree that some Republicans are criticizing Miers to make her seem more moderate than she is. There's also an element of trying to influence Bush's next selection -- they want him to think that, if he again nominates someone who's not sufficiently right-wing for their tastes, they'll really hit the roof. JamesMLane 16:10, 13 October 2005 (UTC)


 * I have to second that. Harriet Miers was quite a surprise for Bush to nominate. I joked with friends that Bush should nominate Gale Norton (this was before Miers was nominated) but he actually went even further afield in a sense with Miers.--Mike 01:44, 16 October 2005 (UTC)

Esperanza
Thank you for your vote of confidence in the Esperanza elections. I look forward to helping Esperanza and Wikipedia progress. Flcelloguy | A note? | Desk | WS 21:51, 14 October 2005 (UTC)

Admin?
I was checking though List of admins for another user Im planning to nominate to make sure and I somehow didn't see your name so I just noticed you are not a admin. A Great User like you not a Admin? Want me to nominate you for it right now you deserve it. --JAranda'' | watz sup 05:28, 15 October 2005 (UTC)


 * Im still thinking of nominating you in November 15th if thats ok with u. Also nominating Nlu that day --JAranda'' | watz sup 08:24, 1 November 2005 (UTC)

Williamsberg
I've changed it to a redirect. If one person can misspell it so can others. Cheers CambridgeBayWeather 14:00, 15 October 2005 (UTC)

Oppose this proposal!
Quick and dirty Checkuser policy proposal  Erwin 

Esperanza Spam
Hello Esperanzians! A few announcements.

The Advisory Committee election results are in. In tranch A are Acetic Acid and Flcelloguy. In tranch B are Ryan Norton and Bratsche.

My other annoouncement is that our founder, JCarriker, has founded Esperanza's sister project, Wikipediology. I have written two essays here (my name is Matt Binder). My essays are under Teenage Wikipedians and Anon Editors.

On behalf of myself and Jay Carriker and the other wikipediologists, I would appreciate it if you were to join.

Cheers Esperanza! R e  dwolf24  (talk&mdash;How's my driving?) 23:44, 15 October 2005 (UTC)

Mediation
Thanks for the consideration. I'm open to the idea of mediation, but skeptical at this stage. For one, there are no content disputes between us at the moment. The dispute over Category:Totalitarian dictators and the spin-off article is dead, with the issue has already been clearly settled, leaving nothing left to argue about. The only points of contention between us now are-- not to come across as too flippant-- my "immorality," "deceit," 'inability to resist the temptation to abuse', 'criminality', unworthiness to be 'trusted with any powers, even editing powers', and 'support for authoritarian regimes'. I think that any direct response (as opposed to a response filtered through the RfC) to the stuff focusing on personalities rather than content would just serve to create more disruption... I think Silverback sincerely believes what he writes. So that probably means that I am by nature a negative force that must be resisted at all times... Still, it's possible that with time we could handle a dispute more constructively in the future. I guess I'll wait and see and keep your idea in mind. Regards. 172 | Talk 09:45, 16 October 2005 (UTC)

In disagreed with some of your comments to El C earlier; but they're no issue to me now. So there's no need to be concerned that I'm not open to your suggestions. Regarding RfAr, I have no interest in going that route right now, and hope to avoid it. But it might be inevitable if any intractable content disputes come up in the future with me or other editors.

Thanks for looking over the changes to the neoconservatism article. I don't understand what you mean by the 'look left' comment. Please elaborate, if you don't mind, so that I can correct any problems that it did not notice at the time. 172 | Talk 10:15, 16 October 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for the reply. You might be correct in pointing out that the term is more commonly associated with "old right" and left critics of the neoconservatives, given that their mouthpieces have much larger popular readerships than Commentary or The Weekly Standard. But the term is used by some of the founding "neoconservatives" to refer to themselves. Irving Kristol's article  The Neoconservative Persuasion is one example. Another example is the collection of essays called "The Neoconservative Imagination" in honor of Kristol. The best example is Kristol's Neoconservatism: The Autobiography of an Idea. 172 | Talk 10:46, 16 October 2005 (UTC)

I see what you mean now. There might be some difference in the frequency of usage of the term. That notwithstanding, it was Kristol who popularized the term. It is his definition that an encyclopedia should adopt to circumscribe the topic, even if their term has been adopted incorrectly by some groups unfamiliar with the specific policy circles associated with neoconservatism. 172 | Talk 11:04, 16 October 2005 (UTC)

Celestianpower is an admin
Thank you very much for your support - my bid (as you probably know) went swimmingly. I couldn't have asked for a better one. Thank you very much and I just hope I don't mess up! Yay - I've nearly finished my thank yous and I now see why people don't customise theirs! --Cel e stianpower hablamé 13:18, 16 October 2005 (UTC)

drunk revert
i didn't even read what you had reverted, I just felt I had to keep you on your toes. --kizzle 22:02, 16 October 2005 (UTC)

Noticed that you were removing vandalism
There is a vandalism room with a bot on freenode.net wikipedia-en-vandalism -- &#9786; A d a m 1213  &#9786;   Talk  + |WWW 08:46, 17 October 2005 (UTC)

huh?
Agriculture 02:56, 18 October 2005 (UTC)

Thank you
I just wanted to say thank you for your support of my admin nomination. I look forward to the time when our Wikipedia paths, blended in amity, cross once again. &mdash;Wayward Talk 05:43, 18 October 2005 (UTC)

RfA Freedtylefrappe
Hi MONGO, thanks for your comments. My voting 'oppose' on Freestylefrappe's RFA was nothing to do with his aleged 'editcountitis', and everything to do with the sneaky, piped insult on his user page, and his informing users that someone nominating themselves (however undeserving) for adminship didn't meet their criteria. He probably was just making a point ... but then there's a policy that suggests that doing so is not a good idea. I'm sure, if he doesn't get it this time, that he will in a few months, as other than that he's an excellent and sensible editor. Thanks for your thoughts. Proto t c 14:11, 18 October 2005 (UTC)


 * Pimping for votes does happen, and when I happen to see it, I vote 'oppose'. If more people did, it wouldn't happen, which would be nice. Proto t c 14:24, 18 October 2005 (UTC)


 * The last link in the sentence 'Prior to having a Username I started Project CHATTER, Project BLUEBIRD, Project ARTICHOKE, MKNAOMI, the no longer existing MKSEARCH and the MKULTRA page, though it was deleted and then recreated be someone else.' Proto t c 14:45, 18 October 2005 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the background. Proto t c 15:16, 18 October 2005 (UTC)

Is this an adequate source?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karla_Faye_Tucker

grazon 19:59, 18 October 2005 (UTC)

Hermione1980's RfA
Thank you for your support on my RfA; I really appreciate it! I will do my best to live up to the trust you've shown in me. Thanks, H e rmione1980 00:09, 19 October 2005 (UTC)

E-mail
Don't know if you watch my talk, so posting here... I guess I fail to see why I should care that I don't have e-mail on Wikipedia... Agriculture 00:19, 19 October 2005 (UTC)
 * I don't have an e-mail on Wikipedia to avoid spam lists and harvesters, if you want to discuss something feel free to do so on my talk page. Quite frankly though I find it astounding that anyone on Wikipedia would nominate me for anything, and would be even more amazed if anyone would vote to support a nomination of me to anything. Agriculture 00:39, 19 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Don't confuse humility with jaded bitterness ;) Seriously though MONGO, while I suppose I am flattered (and a bit curious as to what anyone would feel I would be qualified for), my suggestion would be to nominate yourself for whatever post it is.  You've proven yourself more than capable, level-headed and kind to people even when they don't deserve it. Agriculture 00:59, 19 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Well since you seem po'ed about something enough to cuss, I'm enabling e-mail at least temporarily. It concerns me a bit, so I'll give it a short try.  I hate to see you on edge about something. Agriculture 01:20, 19 October 2005 (UTC)

My RfA
Although you remained neutral during my RfA, I truly appreciate the time that you took to make your voice heard. It appears that I was able to gain a consensus from those who voted and I promise to do a good job using the keys to the janitor's closet. >: Roby Wayne Talk &bull; Hist &bull; E@ 01:59, 19 October 2005 (UTC)

Socks
Mongo, Bluntness I find terribly easy to forgive, it's circumlocutory that drives me mad. But I'm about to do some.

I can imagine there do exist times when a secondary account might be useful, especially when your username is your real name like mine.

Of course, in the event that someone does use a second account, there exist technical means for determining this. These abilities are of varying accuracy, and there use is restricted to a select few individuals. Further, the application of these powers is accepted only for extreme circumstances, almost always involving ArbCom decisions.

Bearing all that in mind, what do you hope to gain by asking and what would you do with the answer? Assuming I'd be truthful at all, of course.

brenneman (t) <sup style="color:#2f4f4f;">(c) 04:10, 19 October 2005 (UTC)


 * What was that about circumlocution driving you mad, Aaron? I've told you I suspect you know the identity of the vandal, and so has David.  So it's rather dismaying to see you falsely accusing us of circumlocution at the same time you give someone else's straightforward question an evasive answer. --Tony Sidaway Talk  04:24, 19 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Shoo. - brenneman <sup style="color:#2f4f4f;">(t) <sup style="color:#2f4f4f;">(c)  04:31, 19 October 2005 (UTC)

Mongo, There are four possibilities (although one of them is unlikely):
 * 1) It wasn't me and I say it wasn't.
 * 2) It wasn't me and I say it was.
 * 3) It was me and I say it wasn't.
 * 4) It was me and I say it was.

What possible outcomes would you imagine in these situations? How are you going to respond, and what would you want to happen? I could point out that I hadn't edited for a half and hour before that, that my first rvv was to the only vandalised article on my watch list, that I then responded just as I would to any other such occurance, etc.

Clearly you're trying to press upon my better nature by asking, and I'll take it as a compliment that you suspect that I have one. Thus I say this with some regret: In the nicest possible way, please do butt out. Everything will play out by itself, ok?

Regardless, the only existing facts in evidence result from a much much larger breach than a brief spree of obvious vandalism. It's bald hipocracy to expect someone to "fess up" as it were while brushing your own indescretions aside.

brenneman <sup style="color:#2f4f4f;">(t) <sup style="color:#2f4f4f;">(c) 05:01, 19 October 2005 (UTC)

And all the letters we've used here aside, which is more damaging to Wikipedia in the long run: Three minutes of obvious and childish vandalism, quickly corrected, or the corrosive effects of admin's who believe that can = should?

My bloody parents have a lot to answer for
Argh! The pain... damn you for being decent.

Of course it was me. I thought it would be screamingly obvious that it was me. I then returned to my normal programming, split personality aside, and started reverting. I was all set to tell the first person who asked me that it was me, accept the loss of respect from the community, maybe a block to teach me my lesson. I was just so angry

Then this crap with the packet sniff started, and I really really wanted David to admit he'd stepped over the line and abused his powers. I all but said to him "I'll show you yours if you show me mine." Zoiks, if I had wanted to hide my tracks there are two internet cafés within five minutes of where I'm sitting now. But instead he's offered neither a credible defence nor an apology, and I hate beating around the bush. The irony is he's "ignored all rules" to catch the IgnoreAllRules vandal.

So there. Damn you.

brenneman <sup style="color:#2f4f4f;">(t) <sup style="color:#2f4f4f;">(c) 05:44, 19 October 2005 (UTC)

Well, was there plausible evidence of abusive sock-puppetry here? Yes, you admit that it's blatantly obvious, and MONGO and I both spotted it. So in checking this plausible link, you say David Gerard ignored all rules. Hmm, not according to what he has written on CheckUser. --Tony Sidaway Talk 19:04, 19 October 2005 (UTC)

May I?
May I copy that photo of St. Mary's lake on your userpage to either my userpage (perhaps not, due to sock accusations), or to my desktop. Its really awesome, you must have a rather enjoyable job for the National Park Service. That is your picture isnt it? Cheers  Ban e  s  17:51, 19 October 2005 (UTC)


 * Oh, I didnt know it was that well known. Its certainly a place I would like to visit when I return to the US one day. Thanks for the info! Regards  Ban e  s  18:15, 19 October 2005 (UTC)

Re: Admin
I appreciate the words of confidence. I usually avoid the AfD pages, since I'm not a big fan of delving into the often-frustrating politics of Wikipedia, but I do often visit the Category and Template deletion/renaming pages since they are much tamer than the other areas. Furthermore, I have found that delving into some issues brings out a great deal of srife, raising my Wikistress levels higher than I would like them to be. I love editting Wikipedia, and I don't want to be driven away from it.

Because of that, I tend to stick to editting articles. Sometimes I'll just "random article" for an hour or so, cleaning things up, or I'll get the inkling to make a puny one-paragraph article something more respectable. Or, I'll feel that a large recategorization is in order, as I did with the Category:United States Senators and began with Category:Members of the U.S. House of Representatives. I also love adding images to Wikipedia and the Commons; I've uploaded 200+ to the Commons alone.

I hope that clears things up. I don't intentionally avoid the AfDs, but I don't like what they bring out in people, nor do I like the trolls that seem to take precedence over others. I'd rather see the more positive side of the community, which is usually in the regular article space. Thanks again for the good words. -- tomf688 {talk} 19:36, 19 October 2005 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the support, but whether or not a nomination is made is up to you; you don't need my permission. However, if it were made, I wouldn't decline the offer. -- tomf688 {talk} 02:46, 21 October 2005 (UTC)


 * Sorry if I came off as lukewarm; I just don't want to be overbearing on the subject. I am definitely interested, though, you can be sure of that. :) -- tomf688 {talk} 11:31, 21 October 2005 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the nom. I've accepted and have answered the questions. -- tomf688 {talk} 21:46, 21 October 2005 (UTC)


 * =) -- tomf688 {talk} 00:49, 22 October 2005 (UTC)

Well I hope you have a good one, and thanks again. :) -- tomf688 {talk} 00:57, 25 October 2005 (UTC)

I made it!!
According to Rex071404, at User_talk:Rex071404/Liberal_Editors_Cabal, I've made it into the Liberal Editors Cabal for drunk reverting you with an "insulting edit summary"! I didn't realize the requirements were so low, but I'm still happy to be a member. Thanks for your part in helping me get into this exclusive group :) I'd like to give a shoutout to the rest of the cabal, Szyslak, JamesMLane, Gamaliel, Merovingian, Raul654, and of course, Neutrality. --kizzle 23:31, 19 October 2005 (UTC)

Thanks
MONGO - Thanks for your support on my recent RfA. I hope that I will use the mop well. If you ever need anything, please ask. --best, kevin <font color="#BBBBBB">· <font color="#666666">· · Kzollman | Talk ·<font color="#666666">· <font color="#BBBBBB">· 05:45, 20 October 2005 (UTC)

rvv
I can see how you mistook a genuine edit as vandalism at email Address munging. Perhaps you could suggest a better location for describing that particular CSS method other than a direct example? I'm thinking maybe as a subtopic of Stopping e-mail abuse separate from Contact Forms and even Address Munging, since it's not by strict definition Munging. (Edit) Resolved, thankyou. 150.101.115.231 19:32, 20 October 2005 (UTC)

Thanks
MONGO, thanks for your support on my RFA. I very much appreciate it. If you ever need anything, don't hesitate to ask. See you around! &mdash;thames 18:31, 20 October 2005 (UTC)

Thank You
Thank you for your support in my recent request for adminship. It was successful thanks to you. I will strive to an open, approachable and transparent administrator. --Jcw69 17:53, 21 October 2005 (UTC)

Problem User

 * User:Hall_Monitor as though he is making blind reverts based soley on POV pushing, you might want to deal with that, seems like a future trouble maker--Here I come to save the day 19:36, 21 October 2005 (UTC)


 * I'm not an admin...if you perceive a problem, you may want to report it on Administrators' noticeboard--MONGO 00:08, 22 October 2005 (UTC)

Possible RfA troll
boothy443 has voted no on every single RfA without explanation. This is not only suspesious, but against RfA guidlines. This is possible trolling warranting RfC. I wonder if the beaurocrates even count such silly votes. This is just ridiculous. Voice of  All  @ ''' 21:51, 21 October 2005 (UTC)

CBW RfA
Thanks for your vote on my RfA. If you have any concerns over my actions please let me know. CambridgeBayWeather 23:18, 23 October 2005 (UTC)

Norfloxacin
I saw that you restubbed this article from med to pharma. I think I need greater knowledge of what are the various medicine-related categories that are recognized on wikipedia. Where might i find such a listing? Triggtay 23:20, 23 October 2005 (UTC)

the wub's RfA
Thanks a lot for your support on my RfA, I really appreciate it. the wub  "?!"  13:53, 25 October 2005 (UTC)

Titoxd's RfA
Thank you for supporting me in my RfA. I never thought I would get so much support! Thanks to your help, my nomination was the 10th most supported RfA in Wikipedia history. Now, please keep an eye out on me while I learn the new tools, ok? Thanks again! Tito xd (?!?) 17:59, 25 October 2005 (UTC)

Your image on the Commons
hello there MONGO,

I just had a quick question. This image of yours, found here of a river, is listed as the Adige River in Italy. However, you seem to have taken it in North America? I am reading conflicting information in this image. Could you please take a look and clarify? Thanks alot... Gryffindor 12:32, 27 October 2005 (UTC)

Tomf688's RfA
Well, it seems I'm now an administrator. I wanted to thank you for your vote of confidence, and, as always, feel free to drop me a line at any time. -- tomf688 {talk} 01:06, 29 October 2005 (UTC)

Since no one else has done it, I'm nominating you... RfA time.
Requests for adminship/MONGO Agriculture 01:47, 29 October 2005 (UTC)

Whoa. That's freaky. I advised Babajobu to head over to you for advice on his rfa, and then I wondered if you were an admin, and I was about to nominate you. Heck, if Agriculture doesn't mind, I might co-nominate you, either way you've got my strong support, my friend. Karmafist 23:55, 29 October 2005 (UTC)

Thanks
Thanks for your support during my time here, unfortunately it seems Tony is very well placed. Undoubtedly due to my support for his RfAr, I am now falsely accused of sockpuppetry. Radient was good enough to unblock me, but given the users participating it is clear Tony and his ilk run Wikipedia. Quite frankly, this sort of abuse of the system and blatent mob style tactics is the last straw. I am leaving for good here. My only purpose in coming back was to fight this sort of thing, but given those involved, it's a battle that cannot be won. Goodbye and goodluck. Agriculture 16:11, 31 October 2005 (UTC)

Ralph Maughan images
Hi there! I realize you're on vacation&mdash;hope you come back well relaxed! I just happened to come across commons:Image:Hilgardpeak.jpg, one of a whole slew of photographs &copy; by Ralph Maughan. (This particular one is from .) You tagged them as CC-BY-SA-2.5. I suppose you got his permission to do so? If so, could you please leave a statement to that effect on the image or image talk pages of these Ralph Maughan pictures, such that other people know why you tagged them as you did, because unfortunately his website doesn't say anything about CC licensing but carries the very explicit and restrictive notice
 * Site and Photos owned by Copyright 1995-2005 © Ralph Maughan.[...] No part of this site or any material within this site may be used without the expressed written permission from the author.

If you have his written permission, could you also forward it to <tt>permissions AT wikimedia.org</tt>? Thank you. Lupo 21:35, 31 October 2005 (UTC) (P.S.: it would also be nice if you could give the precise URLs where you got the images from. Don't know if the commons has a "images w/o source get deleted after 7 days" polica, too, but I would imagine that Jimbo's decree also applies there.)


 * Sorry to see that apparently he's revoked his permission. That's a pity. But it seems you missed commons:Image:Francs Peak.jpg, commons:Image:Gros Ventre Wilderness.jpg, and commons:Image:Beartooth1.jpg. BTW, you should also state that you had permission (and if you have it in e-mail, forward that e-mail to the above address) for commons:Image:Grasshopper Glacier.jpg (by Lisa Eidson, from, details at , and under a "non-commercial only" license according to ) and commons:Image:Needlefalls Bob Marshall Wilderness.JPG (by Gordon Ash). And please, do give the sources, e.g. for commons:Image:Absaroka-Beartooth Wilderness.jpg, or also all the USDA images! Lupo 08:20, 1 November 2005 (UTC)

Admin
Couldn't help over hearing your conversation with Tony, there is probably a stream of people willing to nominate you, but, if not, I'd certainly be happy to do it. Let me know if you are interested. --Doc (?) 11:36, 1 November 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for the "barnstar"
Gracias, Señor! &#151; Eoghanacht  talk 18:00, 1 November 2005 (UTC)

RFA for Johntex
Hello, I want to thank you for your support of my RfA. I really appreciate the work you do on Wikipedia. If I can ever be of assistance, please let me know and I will do my best to help out. Best, Johntex\talk 00:15, 2 November 2005 (UTC)

User:Agriculture
I am not accusing, just requesting clarification as I got an email from a rather angry user (Agriculture) that he was accused of using a sockpuppet account for bad reasons and that the evidence is that the IP's are from the same city, one from office and one from home, and that the edits were similar. I thought checkuser was only a positive ID'er if the sock and main account came from the same IP...what city (or at least what size in terms of population) and what situation are we talking about. I am more than willing to concede that your evaluation is correct, but an concerned about it's margin of error based on the results of what I mentioned above. I may not chime back in for a day or two so you can enlighten me (if you even want to) at your convienence...Thanks!--MONGO 00:31, 2 November 2005 (UTC)
 * His evaluation is pure and utter bullshit. Personally I don't care at all either.  Look at his manipulation of comments here, I've put it up on my user page.  Wikipedia is dirty.  I rocked the boat, so they made up charges and nailed me to the wall.  I'm only coming back to post this for your sake MONGO, as you e-mailed me, let me make it clear: I don't want to be a part of a community that acts like this guy and Tony Sidaway.  I'm coming back to warn you MONGO, don't push this any further or you'll find him accusing you of being a sock. These guys stoop to whatever level they feel they can just to be sure they get what they want.  Don't push them, or they'll push back hard and put you in your place.  It's a secret police force that makes up whatever charges they see fit. Agriculture 01:29, 2 November 2005 (UTC)
 * Ag, you're off the deep end! While I see some coalition building at times and a lot of POV pushing, I don't see it as a secret police force who are hell bent on twisting things just to suit their motivations. Anyhoo, I haven't done anything wrong by asking and it takes more than a disagreement in cyberspace to make me want to leave.--MONGO 14:45, 2 November 2005 (UTC)

RFA?
Hi there! I noticed there was a request for adminship opened on your behalf, but I'm not sure what's up with it. Did you accept it? Would you like it listed? Or deleted? Or moved to your userspace for future reference? Or all of the above? Radiant_ &gt;|&lt; 16:04, 2 November 2005 (UTC)


 * If MONGO is back and Agriculture is still away, I'll happily second the nomination and say a few words about him, if he wants to continue with the nomination right now. On the other hand, RFA is a bit volatile at the moment.  I'd really recommend hanging on to it for a few weeks. --Tony Sidaway Talk  02:21, 3 November 2005 (UTC)

Mediation Comittee
My request seems to be very quite, so I just wanted to know your opinion on the matter. Thanks. Voice of  All  T</Sup> 05:03, 3 November 2005 (UTC)

A Question
During the discussion of the accusations which were leveled against me, I noted you had a somewhat negative view of my contributions. I would appreciate your feedback on the subject of how you came to these opinions of me. Please feel free to use my talk page for an open discussion on the issue as it is my goal to improve my contributions and relationship with this community. <font color=#0000ff>The <font color=#ff7f00>Chief (<font color=#0000ff>Pow <font color=#ff7f00>Wow ) 17:00, 3 November 2005 (UTC)
 * This would be the comment I am refering to. I don't feel insulted, rather concerned, and desiring more information so that I can fix the problem if it indeed exists. <font color=#0000ff>The <font color=#ff7f00>Chief  (<font color=#0000ff>Pow <font color=#ff7f00>Wow ) 23:21, 4 November 2005 (UTC)

On my talk
I'm replying on my talk (if that is alright). <font color=#0000ff>The <font color=#ff7f00>Chief (<font color=#0000ff>Pow <font color=#ff7f00>Wow ) 23:46, 4 November 2005 (UTC)

Your uploads to commons again
All right, I think I've sourced all of your uploads to the Commons. On a few images, I have some problems; I suggest you check those yourself and clear them up this month. I also note that you have decided that the Ralph Maughan images were OK indeed. Could you explain why? If Ralph did send you an e-mail stating that CC-BY-SA-2.5 was OK with him, could you post that e-mail on the image talk pages, too?

Not found. Please provide sources or tag as.
 * commons:Image:Crazy Peak.jpg
 * commons:Image:Sleeping Indian Peak.jpg
 * commons:Image:Cirque of the towers-2.jpg
 * commons:Image:Arlington House Robert E. Lee Memorial.jpg

Wilderness.net is non-commercial only according to and does not seem to be a USDA agency,  notwithstanding. They should all be tagged and be deleted, unless you do have the authors' permissions (you claimed so in the upload comment of commons:Image:Absaroka-Beartooth Wilderness.jpg). In that case, please put the permissions on image talk, and forward them to <tt>permissions AT wikimedia.org</tt>.
 * commons:Image:Jarbidge.jpg from . Poor quality anyway, how about replacing that by this USFS one or one of those NOAA pictures?
 * commons:Image:Cheah.jpg from, and also mis-named.
 * commons:Image:Bob_Marshall_Wilderness.Montana.jpg &mdash; Josh Whitmore seems to be with the Western Carolina University, not the USDA or the Forest Service. Furthermore, image found at : "Use of this image with permission only.", and "non-commercial only" as per.
 * commons:Image:View from Rocky Mountain.jpg from, also by Josh Whitmore: "Use of this image with permission only.", and "non-commercial only" as per.
 * commons:Image:Absaroka-Beartooth Wilderness.jpg from, also by Josh Whitmore: "Use of this image with permission only.", and "non-commercial only" as per.
 * commons:Image:Scotchman's-Peak,-Idaho-Mon.jpg from, by George Wuerthner, who requests crediting, which alone would be OK. But it's "non-commercial only" as per.
 * commons:Image:Needlefalls Bob Marshall Wilderness.JPG from, by Gordon Ash, "non-commercial only" as per.
 * commons:Image:Grasshopper Glacier.jpg from, by Lisa Eidson, "non-commercial only" as per.

Mis-tagged?
 * commons:Image:Mount Cleveland.jpg is evidently the same as this National Park Service image. Re-upload and re-tag as or just re-tag? (The colors are slightly different...)
 * commons:Image:Wind River Peak.jpg found at SummitPost.org. Why would that be ?
 * commons:Image:Abajo Peak.jpg cropped from this image at SummitPost.org. Why would that be GFDL?
 * commons:Image:Triple Divide Peak.jpg found at PeakBagger.com, where no information of the image is given. Why would this be an NPS photo? The NPS usually has far better images! This should be deleted as Unknown.

Taken by you? Tag as, or otherwise state that you took it yourself, if so!
 * commons:Image:Tetons from Togwotee Pass.jpg

Better image found:
 * commons:Image:Bird Woman Falls.jpg &mdash; taken by you. How about replacing it with the public domain image from the NPS at ? Yours is an OK image, but honestly said, the NPS one strikes me as far better.
 * commons:Image:Mt PompeysPillarNM BLM 350.jpg, larger version of the same image found at.
 * commons:Image:03772.jpg is a duplicate of commons:Image:Lower falls of the Yellowstone River.jpg, get it deleted.

Clean them up when you get back from your holidays! Thank you. Lupo 12:55, 5 November 2005 (UTC)


 * geez....I might as well start over...Ralph chnaged his mind again and is now allowing me to use images..but I need to discuss copywrite with him...the bilk of the others are also through email correspondance and or it clearly states that all the people are asking for is attribution. I'll go through them all and it looks like I might as well start from scratch and delete them and then upload them...this permission thing is a pain and it appears that it may be also eliminated if Wikipedia changes their mind as to what they allow...so I'll make sure all future images are free and clear of ANY obstructions. All the locator maps are also going to be dumped as the Protected areas project is using new maps anyway...thanks for your assistance.--MONGO 00:13, 6 November 2005 (UTC)

Your RFA
I've moved your RFA to User:MONGO/RFA for now, since it isn't active and people were voting on it nevertheless. I'm sure that when you have time for a nomination you could get nominated; I'll leave it to your own discretion whether you would continue with this one, or start afresh. Radiant_ &gt;|&lt; 11:26, 7 November 2005 (UTC)

Hey
Thanks MONGO. When you gonna run for Admin? nobs 04:48, 8 November 2005 (UTC)

Fir e  Fo  x RFA
 

Thanks for your support on my request for adminship.

The final outcome was (96/2/0), so I am now an administrator. If you ever have any queries about my actions, please do not hesitate to contact me. Again, thanks! Fir e  Fo  x  18:16, 8 November 2005 (UTC)

About your edit summary on my RfA...
I never got around to saying that you should never be sorry about doing what you think is the correct thing. Cheers! brenneman <sup style="color:#2f4f4f;">(t) <sup style="color:#2f4f4f;">(c) 02:36, 10 November 2005 (UTC)

Welcome Back!
You still interested in becoming an admin? I can restart the postponed RfA if you'd like. Karmafist 05:16, 10 November 2005 (UTC)

Thank You
Thanks for Welcoming me Mongo to Wikipedia...I've been reading this website for a while but only editing for a few days so i'll ask you any questions if I need help here--Jennifer M 04:26, 11 November 2005 (UTC)

Sexual slang
Check out this AFD. . It seems different than Body Part Slang, which was much worse. Voice of  All  T 20:00, 11 November 2005 (UTC)

There We Go
Ok, don't go on vacation this time! We need ya, bud. Karmafist 17:34, 12 November 2005 (UTC)

Thank you
Thanks for your help at Category:Soviet spies. Keep me posted what going on. nobs 18:28, 14 November 2005 (UTC)

IP test
--63.113.14.5 04:01, 15 November 2005 (UTC) By MONGO from alternate log in site

note
Thanks for your note. I'll reconsider my vote. Incidentally, I've spent a lot of time in Omaha as well; it's a great place. Out of interest, what part of town are you from? &mdash; Dan | Talk 05:14, 15 November 2005 (UTC)

Your RFA
I see it's getting a little heated, unfortunately. I wish bygones could just be bygones, but oh well. I just wanted to send you good wishes and encourage you to keep your head up. Good luck.Gator&#91;&#91;User talk:Gator1&#124;(talk)]] 15:56, 15 November 2005 (UTC)

I appreciate, MONGO, that your tone and attitude have improved greatly since your conforntational patterns in August, and into September. I think you have learned much from your further experience on WP, and have certainly contributed significantly to many articles. In my mind, however, less than 3 months of good Wikiquette and a spirit of cooperation, is not quite enough for me to be comfortable with your adminship. So, frankly, I do hope the nomination fails at this time. That said, if it does fail, and you are renominated in another 3 months (where you continue to cooperatively edit), I will enthusiastically support your adminship. It's just too soon now, IMO. Lulu of the Lotus-Eaters 09:09, 16 November 2005 (UTC)

Forum for Encyclopedic Stuff
Looking over the pages I tend to agree with you. The only things I'd consider merging would be the last two sections (Standardizations for citable references and Related discussions), and possibly but not necessarily a link to the Wikiproject against censorship. Radiant_ &gt;|&lt; 10:58, 16 November 2005 (UTC)

Obsolete maps
Unfortunately "obsolete" is not a CSD for images; I am moving the maps you marked for speedy to IfD. Physchim62 13:44, 16 November 2005 (UTC)

For what its worth
I removed any gender ambig. from my vote on your RfA. Youngamerican 16:20, 16 November 2005 (UTC)

90% RfA
I think that you should leave it alone. This is not a unanimity based vote. If you get consesnsus, then you win. 90% is hard to get; 1-2 of my oppose votes were just because I was on WfEM. I know that you will make a good sysop anyway, whethor you wait or let it pass now. So why not do Wikipedia a favor and let it pass now so that you can use your new abilities for benifit. Voice of  All T 17:51, 16 November 2005 (UTC)

And sorry I jumped the gun on Mr. Tibbs comments to quickly. He said it shows a "pattern" so I assumed that it was somewhat recent, instead, it was just yet another misrepresentaion(see my Stress Level on my userpage :-). Voice of  All T 17:58, 16 November 2005 (UTC)

On consideration
I have removed my opposition due to your comments. <font color="#0000ff">The <font color="#ff7f00">Chief (<font color="#0000ff">Pow <font color="#ff7f00">Wow ) 19:08, 16 November 2005 (UTC)

Support and protected areas infobox
Happy to support your nomination.

As for the infobox: I have now declared open season on converting to the new format on all National Parks, etc. I noticed you have done so on many Wildernesses. I plan to do one or two National Parks a day as the spirit moves me.

I do not know if you noticed, but Diceman has made a modified version of the infobox for use in Australia. On the one hand, it would have been nice to go with a unified approach, but Wikipedia is not about doing things just one way. He had some ideas for the main infobox, and frankly no one besides me bothered to comment either way, so there was no way to guide a consensus. I was only mildly opposed to the website entry, but I did not think technically there was a way to program the coordinates in two different ways (he wants to simply insert the coor template, rather than break it up into individual d/m/s inputs). Anyway, I have what I want: a better infobox so that I can go back to generating stub articles for the remaining "red links" on the National Park System list. &mdash; Eoghanacht  talk 21:43, 16 November 2005 (UTC)



Happy joy joy
What kind comments in return! And I certainly share the sentiment.


 * Your humbleness with the above is heart felt and I hope that we can never again allow our petty differences to interfere with our mutual desire to make Wikipedia an even better place. MONGO 04:04, 17 November 2005 (UTC)

So while I don't know if the RfA voters will hand you the mop, I'd like to present you with these brooms as a possible propaedeutic to future mopping (and broom clean is still good, even if not followed by the mop).

Your fellow editor. Lulu of the Lotus-Eaters 04:28, 17 November 2005 (UTC)

Ianblair23's RfA
G'day MONGO, I would like to thank you for supporting me on my RfA. It closed with the final tally of 57/0/0. I can only hope I can live up to the expectations that this wonderful community of ours demands from each of its administrators. If you ever need anything, please just let me know. Cheers! -- Ianblair23 (talk) 05:02, 17 November 2005 (UTC)

Your Rfa
Sorry I didn't get back to you sooner, last time I checked, your rfa was around 70%, which is more than enough to pass. So I figured I'd give you the award I give to everyone I vote support to on rfas now in order to cheer you up. Just stick in there and remember that you deserve this, but also remember that this is a good test for the new challenges you'll have to face if you're to become an admin. Karmafist 05:56, 17 November 2005 (UTC)
 * I second that, even if it doesn't pass, ppl might bring up constructive criticism which might help you be a better editor. No reason to withdraw now in my opinion. Borisblue 20:48, 17 November 2005 (UTC)

Thank you MONGO...
...for dropping a line when I went on break. I really appreciate it. I'm sorry to see your rfa isnt going that well, but we shall see. Anyway, I'm back again, as you can no doubt see. About my possible rfa, I'm afraid I must decline, as I believe I lack the experience needed for adminship. I want to be able to get through it easily, preferably after I've surpassed 2000 edits. I would be interested perhaps in early January, maybe then. Thank you for the consideration though. Thanks again, good luck and all the best.  Ban e  s  10:14, 18 November 2005 (UTC)


 * Well, many great editors have there opponents. But yes, to be honest, some of your past actions were rather questionable, especially to an outsider. But thats in the past, we all have our bad days I guess. I would be honoured if you would nominate me (Celestian Power had offered to co-nom) beginning of January. Before I go, I actually have a question: Well, you see I am actually very ignorant of wikipedia policy beyond the basics of agf, npa, wq, and so on. Is a casualty list I've been working on, a list of 9/11 deaths (its been hard work, and very, very sad work, as I've had to go through every name and remove the little tribute about them and their family left behind). Now I know that wp:NOT a memorial, so is that article unacceptable? Does it belong at the 9/11 wiki? Thanks for the assistance.  Ban e  s  10:52, 18 November 2005 (UTC)


 * No, I'm afraid I cant. I've been working on it in Open Office and I've got through the 4 airplanes, the Pentagon, and I'm about a quarter of the way through listing those killed in the WTC. It is really long and depressing work, so I dont want to go and write it and have it deleted as it goes against wp policies. I do think it would be a lot better than an article about some minor porn star. But the question is wether it belongs on wikipedia.  Ban e  s  11:00, 18 November 2005 (UTC)


 * Ok, I'll ask him. I dont know Tony personally but I do know of him (who doesnt?).

Since I came home one tuesday afternoon and was told by a friend to turn on the tv I've had a strong interest in 9/11 related topics. As a 12 year old the event disturbed me deeply (as it should anyone) and it actually totally changed my world view. When I came to wp I noticed that the subject was very well covered but I saw there was no casualty list. Since then I've been working on it. You're right, it is very stressful, not exactly fun work as I have to remove the little tributes and such because they are un-encyclopedic, thus I end up reading them too. Sorry for all these long posts, brevity isnt my strong point. Thanks  Ban e  s  11:16, 18 November 2005 (UTC)


 * On the news these people were just statistics, reading about them made me realize even more the holes that they left in the lives of those around them. Father of three, mother of two, someone's fiancé. Whatever your government has done (damned if I know) these people didnt deserve to be punished for it. But this is such a huge, controversial matter. I will get in touch with Tony tonight. Thanks again for the help.  Ban e  s  11:34, 18 November 2005 (UTC)

My RFA
Thanks for your support. I've now been made an administrator. I'll do my best not to let you down :) --Sherool (talk) 02:25, 19 November 2005 (UTC)

Thanks
Thanks for supporting me for adminship. The RfA passed today. I look forward to working with you to make Wikipedia a better place. --Nlu 03:27, 19 November 2005 (UTC)

Troll
Not sure what your point was there. Rx StrangeLove 19:47, 19 November 2005 (UTC)
 * If you don't mind, I will. I didn't "feed the troll", I left a warning and a question on his talk page. Thanks. Rx StrangeLove 19:58, 19 November 2005 (UTC)


 * Ah, but leave the troll comments up. Nice.--MONGO 20:42, 19 November 2005 (UTC)


 * They were linked to from the RFA talk page, people following them would not find what was being referenced. Rx StrangeLove 20:53, 19 November 2005 (UTC)

It grows on you...
I have the strangest hunch that our discussion of the phrase got rattling around in your head, indirectly prompting this edit. . I spent way more work tracking down the comment just above this than I should have :-)... OCD and all. But discovering Image:DoNotFeedTroll.jpg made it worth it.  I'll have to use that sometime. Lulu of the Lotus-Eaters 21:16, 19 November 2005 (UTC)

Hello
Just noticed your name on Tony's user talk page when I posted a few questions; I just thought it might be nice to introduce myself and get to know another fellow wikipedian...so..Hello, and nice to meet you.-MegamanZero 0:06 21 November 2005 (UTC)

You made it!
You survived and I'm pretty sure with more than enough votes to get your admin promotion despite 'some strong and (at many times) unfair opposition. Let me be the first to congratulate you!Gator (talk) 14:29, 21 November 2005 (UTC)

I understand your hesitancy, I would be the same way if it were my RFA. I have confidence though. But I'll keep the champagne corked up until then.Gator (talk) 14:38, 21 November 2005 (UTC)

Thank you!
Hi MONGO, Thank you very much for your support on my RfA. I was both surprised and delighted about the amount of support votes and all the kind words! If I can ever help with anything or if you have any comments about my actions as an admin, please let me know! Regards, Joann e B 15:09, 21 November 2005 (UTC)

GraemeL's RFA
Hi MONGO, I am now an administrator and would like to thank you for your support on my RfA. I was very surprised at the number of votes and amount of and kind comments that I gathered. Please don't hesitate to contact me if I mess up in the use of my new powers. --GraemeL (talk) 15:20, 21 November 2005 (UTC)

The Votes
Oh..oops I didnt know it had expired. I've looked around wikipedia and have come to the conclusion that such an article would be deleted. Although I would obviously disagree with that I've read some other "List of Fatalaties/Deaths/Casualties...." and it seems they get deleted for the reason of "Slippery Slope". Some editors are afraid that creating one list means you'll end up creating hundreds of others. A 9/11 list afd would result in a shitstorm for sure. Speaking of ....storms, I'm very pleased to see that your rfa wasnt one. It was good to see the bridge building that took place.  Ban e  s  10:23, 22 November 2005 (UTC)


 * Too true. I noticed Rama's vote. What is impressive is that editors from all over, some of whom you have had conflict with in the past, such as Karmafist, have voted support. It reflects well on them and on you. Cheers, I think you made it!  Ban e  s  11:46, 22 November 2005 (UTC)

Likewise, I also noticed that the RfA had expired, after you told me. Thanks! (I made a note on the RfA page about which votes were made after voting ended, 5 supports and 2 opposes total. I also noted I would have switched to neutral if voting were still open, based on what you told me.) --Idont Havaname 21:36, 22 November 2005 (UTC)

MONGO, as with all WP processes, editors are welcome to contribute until the process is actually closed. Happens on AfD for example, all the time. You shouldn't be discouraging people from participating, whether they are support or oppose you. -Splash talk 21:50, 22 November 2005 (UTC)

RfA
Looks like your now an admin. Congrats! I knew it would pass. Now to get out the mop and flamethrower!  Voice of  All T 01:55, 23 November 2005 (UTC)

Adminship
I have promoted you to adminship. Congradulations. Please familiarize yourself with the relavant policies before using those shiny new buttons. Raul654 01:57, 23 November 2005 (UTC)


 * Yayay!


 * Your first task is to read all this! :)


 * --Tony Sidaway|Talk 02:13, 23 November 2005 (UTC)

Your support, as it is always, was deeply appreciated by me, especially over the past week. I will ensure that I do the best job I can. Thanks, Tony, I really mean it.--MONGO 02:49, 23 November 2005 (UTC)


 * I've never doubted that you had it in you to be a good administrator. Now prove me right! --Tony Sidaway|Talk 03:06, 23 November 2005 (UTC)


 * Congratulations; you may have some people who don't feel comfortable with you being an admin, but I'm not one of them. ;) -- tomf688 {talk} 03:54, 23 November 2005 (UTC)


 * Congratulations, and you're very welcome. --Merovingian 04:00, 23 November 2005 (UTC)
 * Congratulations!--Sean|Bla ck 04:25, 23 November 2005 (UTC)
 * Congratulations! I am glad you made it! --Rogerd 05:26, 23 November 2005 (UTC)
 * What they said, etc., etc. --Daniel11 01:37, 24 November 2005 (UTC)

Congrats from Gator
Congratulations! I knew you could do it. Despite pointless debate at the end and a gtoundless accusation that you were discouraging participation, you made it out alive and the classier party. Good for you! I look forward to seeing you around. Good luck.Gator (talk) 02:07, 23 November 2005 (UTC)

Congratulations! --Ixfd64 03:48, 23 November 2005 (UTC)

I was born in Maine, but grew up in S. Florida (went to the Univ of Florida for a little while). My fraternity nickname was Gator, so I figured why not. I returned to Maine to settle down though. That's my story and I'm sticking to it! Congrats again.Gator (talk) 12:58, 23 November 2005 (UTC)

Congrats
I knew you would make it! Now get to work! – ClockworkSoul 05:01, 23 November 2005 (UTC)
 * And I'm glad that I could be here for your RfA: I think it was my first vote upon returning, in fact. It's odd, though: I'm very surprised that so many people noticed that I wasn't around. Cheers! – ClockworkSoul 05:16, 23 November 2005 (UTC)
 * Congratulations. --Nlu 06:39, 23 November 2005 (UTC)

Congratulations Mongo, you are most welcome! Like the above, my vote was my first returning edit. All the best  Ban e  s  07:02, 23 November 2005 (UTC)

Congratulations MONGO! Sjakkalle (Check!)  07:43, 23 November 2005 (UTC)

Congrats. I am sorry I missed the opportunity to vote for you, I wasn't watching closely enough. NoSeptember 15:41, 23 November 2005 (UTC)


 * Congratulations on your adminship, MONGO. I am sure you will do an excellent job with it.  It appears that in the process of the RfA vote you soothed over your conflicts with many "oppose" voters, who either withdrew their votes or even changed to support.  That shows a good ability to work with other editors, IMO. Lulu of the Lotus-Eaters 17:09, 23 November 2005 (UTC)

Congratulations. Tread lightly, delete carefully, block sparingly and protect rarely and briefly. And always, always, read your comments over twice before pressing save. And don't repeat those edit summaries &mdash; ever. -Splash talk 18:18, 23 November 2005 (UTC)
 * A bit of a bite, no? Don't tell me what to do&mdash; ever. :)--MONGO 22:45, 24 November 2005 (UTC)


 * I just "caught" you doing good. Thanks for helping out. Congratulations on your successful RfA. Cheers, -Willmcw 08:51, 25 November 2005 (UTC)

"I saw you were made admin and I almost shit. You must be a very happy man.  Congrats." MARMOT 11:47, 27 November 2005 (UTC)

Park designation in infobox title
Thanks for your upgrading the old table to the new infobox.

FYI, I noticed that on some national parks, you have placed the name without the designation (such as "Biscayne" rather than Biscayne National Park) as the infobox title. One change from the old table was to eliminate the "designation" row, and merge it with the area name. I have fixed a couple instances, but do not know how many/which articles you updated over the past week or so.

Also, I called the forest about the establishment date. They gave me the years, but not the dates. Also, they keep no visitation records.

Happy Thanksgiving Day! &mdash; Eoghanacht  talk 15:27, 23 November 2005 (UTC)


 * The word above is designation not destination. But you may have already realized that.  Enjoy national crazy shopping day (I sit this one out)! &mdash;  Eoghanacht  talk 13:35, 25 November 2005 (UTC)

Have a muffin!
Thanks, MONGO, and congratulations, have a muffin! Bishonen | talk 18:40, 23 November 2005 (UTC)

Maps on Ifd
A bunch of maps you uploaded are on wp:ifd but I can't see if you were notified of the impending deletion. Please make a remark on the ifd page if you are OK with this or you can delete them yourself now that you are an admin -Nv8200p talk 19:39, 23 November 2005 (UTC)

Congratulations
Well no matter, I knew you would win anyway, you deserve it. Should I need assisstance I will not hesitate to ask you. Derktar 03:31, 24 November 2005 (UTC).

Congrats!
I knew you had it in you, bud. :-) I can't think of anything poignant to say right now, but i'm sure i'll think of something later for you. Let me know if I can give you any advice on adminning! Karmafist 06:23, 24 November 2005 (UTC)

Have a mango!
For putting up with the abuse during the RfA and keeping cool-headed... --Nlu 08:59, 24 November 2005 (UTC)

Miborovsky's RfA
Hello there ,

Thank you for supporting me on my RfA. It's Thanksgiving Day, too... so once again a big thank you! Have an awesome weekend! (If you celebrate Thanksgiving, that is.) I will do all I can for Wikipedia, to protect it from the alien scum of the universe... I mean, uh, from Willy on Wheels and Wikipedia is Communism!
 * -- <font color="#FF0000">Миборовский U 06:54, 25 November 2005 (UTC)

RfA thanks
I'd like to thank you for your support of my RfA, and to congratulate you on your promotion. As I wrote, I was looking forward to feedback from the community, and I would like to let you know that you should please feel free to leave any further feedback for me you may have for me in the future at my Talk page. Thanks again. Jkelly 08:49, 25 November 2005 (UTC)

Cheers
As per JKelly, I just wanted to say thanks for your support, and kind comments on my RfA. I'm looking forward to helping out in any way I can, thanks once again, Steve block talk 09:48, 25 November 2005 (UTC)

Congrats
Congratulations on your admin! I am sure you will be a great admin. As far as me, I was rejected for adminship in September. Since then, I have participated in AfD, RfA, and other wiki namespace areas. I appreciate the offer from you and others to nominate me, and I may take you up on that some time in 2006. As far as any controversy about you is concerned, that doesn't bother me in the least. --Rogerd 15:53, 25 November 2005 (UTC)

Many thanks from Ann
Hi, MONGO. I just want to thank you very much for supporting my RfA, and to say also that I hope I'll make a good job of it. I'm supposed to be working on an assignment at the moment, and had been reducing my Wikipedia activity, so delayed thanking people, but I'm finding the new rollback button so easy to use that I'm just keeping Wikipedia open on my browser while working on other things, and I thought I'd like to thank at least a few of those who supported me while I'm here. Cheers. AnnH (talk) 22:06, 25 November 2005 (UTC)

Sean Black RfA
Thank you very much for your support of my RfA. Thanks, in part, to you, I am now an Administrator, and I pledge to use my newfound powers for good rather than evil. Thanks again!--Sean|Bla ck 07:08, 26 November 2005 (UTC)

Please Delete the rest of the images I uploaded
Please delete all images I uploaded. Also sorry for uploading them without permission from the photographer of the photos.Lazylizards8

To help please just delete the images...I don't know how (:

Semi-Protection
Would you mind weighing it at Semi-protection policy and offering any thoughts/concerns/questions you might have there? (Oh, and feel free to change it too). - Mys  e  ku rity  05:46, 29 November 2005 (UTC)

Me like MONGO
Just a note to thank you for your support at my current RfA. If it is succesful, I promise you I'm not going to attack WP like a crazy person! Since you're one of the editors I have had some positive relations with in the past, it gave me a great deal of pleasure to see you lending your support. Thanks again! See you 'round the Wiki. Hamster Sandwich 15:05, 29 November 2005 (UTC)

Request for comment 9/11
Given the combative nature of Max rspt's comments, I urge you to take punative measures if he violates the three revert rule again. Durova 20:36, 29 November 2005 (UTC)
 * I understand and respect your decision to leave punitive judgment to others. Similarly, I avoid editing that article.  I make more real progress on subjects less close to home.  It was interesting to watch his response to my post.  He really seems to be looking for a fight.  Best wishes on the article. Durova 01:54, 30 November 2005 (UTC)

Classic Rock
Hello. I was wondering if you would like to participate in my classic rock survey. I'm trying to find the most liked classic rock song. There is more information on my user page. Hope you participate! 02:47, 30 November 2005 (UTC)

I've checked it out
And it looks like the kinda place for my list, when it gets completed oneday. Looking good with the adminship thusfar, btw. Cheers  Ban e  s  15:48, 30 November 2005 (UTC)


 * As a matter of fact, I have given it consideration. Believe it or not, I have just spent a week in a South African National Heritage Site. I visit this country's protected areas often and would most certainly be interesed in joining the project. I think I will look into all that tomorrow or the day after as I am on a borrowed computer while mine is being reformatted. I have been looking for a new area of editing for me, and this looks like a good one.  Ban e  s  19:07, 30 November 2005 (UTC)


 * Hey, I have just discovered this article by the venerable Jcw69. It is mostly red links and none of the blue links have the protected areas template. With the help of the site you provided and the wikiproject I will be able to add the info boxes to the excisting articles and create quite a few new ones. Even though they will be stubs many of them. Thanks for the info! Oh, and here is a barnstar, I know it is technically a working man's but you need a different coloured one. Cheers  Ban e  s  19:42, 30 November 2005 (UTC)