User talk:MeegsC/Archive 1

Kites
Nice job improving Whistling Kite. Sabine's Sunbird  talk  09:03, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

Brown Rock Chat
Thanks for nominating Brown Rock Chat... how did you come across it? I just made it barely 3 days back! Dunno what was the DYK factoid - am going there to see! But thanks!mukerjee (talk) 07:59, 27 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Glad you found it... For the DYK factoid - this could also be something:
 * "Is a good mimic, has been recorded imitating to perfection the songs of Yellow-eyed Babbler, Tickell's Blue Flycatcher, and Smaller Grey Cuckoo-Shrike"? This may be be "interesting" - but so is as the fact that it nests in inhabited houses ... But then both mimic-ing and nesting in rafters also happen to some other species.  Hope it makes it!


 * Why don't you change your profile (under preferences) so that the "talk" page shows up? That way people you interact with don't have to hunt for it as much... Thanks again!mukerjee (talk) 09:46, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

Moving awards, etc.
Can I move a DYK notice from my talk page to my user page? If so, how? MeegsC | Talk 12:52, 27 April 2007 (UTC) helpme
 * Yes, you can. The easiest way is to use your browser's cut-and-paste feature to cut the markup out of your user talk page and to paste the same markup into your userpage. Hope that helps! --ais523 13:03, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

No worries
Thanks for the compliments to birds. I already have Whistling Kite on my watchlist but I wouldn't worry too much, species articles don't tend to attract too much attention form miscreants. It's bird that I'm reverting three times a day - what a vandal-fest. Have a good time in Greece - take lots of pictures! We need pictures! Sabine's Sunbird  talk  00:19, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

Brown Rock Chat

 * Power be to you !!! Thanks! mukerjee (talk) 13:46, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

Reindeer
Hi MeegsC. Thanks for your mention of Reindeer hunting in Greenland at DKY. Much appreciated. If you have any suggestions for article improvement, it would also be appreciated. Regards. -- Fyslee/talk 20:09, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

William Green (rifleman)
Thanks for all your recent nominations! --  howcheng  {chat} 03:50, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for Nomination
Thanks for nominating Joe Baksi on DYK. It's my first article created from scratch, your endorsement means a lot to me.--Work permit 02:35, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

Taxoboxes
Thanks for pointing that out. I've updated Wikipedia:WikiProject Birds (genus taxobox example) Smallweed 09:36, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

Wing bones
I found a public domain image and just cleaned it up a bit. Hope this will serve your purpose. Shyamal 15:05, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Yes, you could edit the image and add lines and numbers. It may also be converted to vector format (SVG) in due course. Shyamal 00:51, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Alternately I could label up an image and upload it soon. Shyamal 03:23, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Let me know if you need any modification to this one. Shyamal 15:03, 18 May 2007 (UTC) [[Image:Birdwing.svg|thumb]]

Uploading images
It's a matter of personal preference, as far as I am concerned. It is probably better to upload them onto the Commons, be sure to follow the conventions there and at least tag the image with a category. It's easier to upload images onto Wikipedia directly, and someone will eventually load it onto the commons. Once you've uploaded someone else's image that you have permission for you'll need to email the permission you've obtained for that image to Wikipedia as spelled out in Requesting copyright permission (unless they are prepared to upload it themelsves). A bit of a trial for the people kind enough to give us permission but I guess its their to protect them.

Did you have a good time in Greece? Sabine's Sunbird  talk  19:11, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

Aw gee thanks....
Now to get this #$@*$*$ article to FAC but we're just waiting for Clayoquot to get back from the library...cheers, Cas Liber | talk  |  contribs 09:59, 19 May 2007 (UTC)

Meidias Painter
Thank you for the nomination. It's always gratifying to know my writing is being read. The hook seems fine to me, hope it's successful. Twospoonfuls 10:05, 19 May 2007 (UTC)

DYK list
Yes, you do qualify for the list. Excellent work. Keep it up. Anonymous Dissident Utter 13:36, 19 May 2007 (UTC)

Page numbers in reference
I'll admit they are not an obligation, but I find it highly revealing that a majority of articles that can do include page numbers in the current FA log. I don't request something like Cameroon or Mom and Dad (version before I combined identical refs), both of which are ridiculous (each in their own way). Another option is a "first ref abbreviated" system as for Samuel Adams (which I also used for a few paper refs in Verbascum thapsus), although I've found I liked that system less, because you have to hunt the original citations in preceding footnotes. Circeus 15:54, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
 * I recently adjusted International Phonetic Alphabet to a similar mixed style (with abbreviated titles, and content notes), Quatermass II is another example of what Raven will probably look like, with both full and abbreviated references. For a FA with books, but no page number, see École Polytechnique massacre. For one with the (IMHO horrendous, but probably useful here because there are so many of them) "linked footnotes," see Conatus.


 * Book parts are more reasonable to cite without page numbers, and are accommodated by cite book, although multiple chapters from the same book might be best abbreviated as Last, First, "Chapter", in Editor, page numbers. You could optionally use the book title with page numbers in the abbreviated form to bypass author. Circeus 15:01, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

Thanks
Hey thanks

Haliaster
The move from Haliaster to Haliastur is fine. In my opinion, leaving the Haliaster redirect is a good thing, as it means that if anyone accidentally misspells it (as you did), they will be able to see the error. If you really want to get rid of the old name, go to Haliaster and replace the #REDIRECT with db-author, and an admin will delete the "Haliaster" page. John Vandenberg 22:09, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

Regarding types of Raven
Hi MeegsC, the NHM types can be checked using and the other site mentioned for looking up data is GBIF. Actually the reply (Dr Prys-Jones?) says there are many types. Not that there is no type specimen of the taxon (Corvus corax corax). Even if there is no holotype for Linnaeus specimens, there is most likely a designated neotype. Shyamal 14:43, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for nomination
Brilliant! No one has ever done that to me before. Of course the point is, that although the novel is 'set' at Sutton Hoo, the facts and characters, despite retaining their original names and identities, have all been horribly scrambled, which is annoying for the archaeologists! I wonder how it will get on. Thankyou anyhow. Best wishes, Dr Steven Plunkett 00:05, 25 May 2007 (UTC) Haha! It was vaulted into notoriety before even the inline refs got in. Best wishes Dr Steven Plunkett 00:47, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

Flight feathers
Here are some possibly additional areas for coverage Great going! Shyamal 04:13, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Is there something substantial on feather adaptations in aquatic birds ? Cormorants vs Ducks etc.
 * Mot-mot tail feathers (bill manipulated shape - is that right?)
 * Is the Alula not considered here ?
 * A little more on aerodynamics
 * Sound production - http://www.cumv.cornell.edu/pdf/Bostwick_Zyskowski_2001.pdf, http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/abstract/309/5735/736 http://jeb.biologists.org/cgi/content/full/206/20/3693
 * Beats me. Why does it say, articles with unsourced ... at the bottom ? Shyamal 04:20, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Motmot tails - they drop on their own. Also was looking at another belief that melanized feathers are stronger and it looks like even that may need to be re-examined http://jeb.biologists.org/cgi/content/full/207/2/285/ Shyamal 08:52, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

DYK nomination
Hi, thanks for nominating Cassiber. I'm honoured. --Bruce1ee 06:01, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

Collab
Who nominated me for what?....oh, right. Goddammit it's a tiebreaker and you went and voted for both of 'em ?! (The suspense is killing me -which will be the next bird collab..)''

PS: I've beefed up American Crow a bit if you feel like working on corvids....cheers, Cas Liber | talk  |  contribs 13:30, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

Head of the River (Queensland)
Hi, Yeah I just noticed the lifted part. I didn't write that section though. It was originally part of the Head of the River (Australia) article that needed to be broken up..so I just moved all the existing info to the new article. Sorry..should have been more attentive. Loopla 01:13, 26 May 2007 (UTC)

Need sources
Hi MeegsC,

See this comment Remiges illustration. Do you know of any accurate source illustrations that can be looked up ? Shyamal 03:46, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

Heads up
if you get back in time. :) pschemp | talk 20:51, 10 June 2007 (UTC)

Commas or parentheses for scientific name in opening sentence and elsewhere
(Now that was a long header wasn't it?) There's a debate here about commas versus parentheses for scientific names for organisms (well in this case birds). I'm not sure whether this has been raised elsewhere but would be good to establish once and for all here and could apply as MOS across all biology articles. cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 21:03, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

New wing image
Hi, I found this new wing image in a book on www.archive.org. If you like it, maybe you could replace the current image. Shyamal 06:28, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

Re: Obelisk posture
Hey, thanks! I'm glad it was interesting. It seems to be a frequently asked question -- "why do dragonflies stand on their hands like that" -- since they look so funny doing it.  &mdash;Cel ithemis  21:03, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

Password
Thanks for the advice. Sadly it won't help since I don't as of yet have an e-mail account. Now I'm seriously thinking I should get one. Cynops2 00:10, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

Jim Naugle
Thanks for your corrections to this article. I am not a native speaker, and your copy-editing was really helpful :-)--Legionarius 03:32, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

Gambia
OK, it'll be tomorrow now - not sure if I took many bird images on that holiday, but I'll do what I can. Jimfbleak 16:55, 29 June 2007 (UTC)


 * I've been through the list fixing some typos/weird Avibase names that I missed before. I don't know if you want to chop the Avibase link - all the country lists use it, but none reference it. Jimfbleak 19:02, 29 June 2007 (UTC)


 * I wouldn't trust the Avibase list too much. It uses US names and ignores generally accepted splits, so all the European lists, except the ones I constructed, have Black Scoter, but not Common Scoter. The status is often wrong, but varies from list to list (often rare species are not tagged as such). It's best to find a second source. I checked Eurasian Griffon here, and to my surprise it's listed for Senegal, so Avibase may well have got it right. I'll see what Birds of the Gambia says later. Jimfbleak 06:08, 30 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Also here and here. Jimfbleak 06:12, 30 June 2007 (UTC)
 * At least the SABC list uses the correct names! The avibase list is obviously more accurate than I thought, other than the US name problem. It's nearly 10 years since i went to The Gambia, and I didn't take many pics. I went to SA this year, but the bird pics I took don't overlap. I assume that you have Birds of the Gambia, so I'm not much help really.... Jimfbleak 12:17, 30 June 2007 (UTC)
 * I've moved the page back to its original name, and repointed a couple of links that went to the lower case version.

paper request
I have managed to find some of the papers you asked for, send me an email and I'll forward them on to you. Sabine's Sunbird  talk  22:29, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

Flight feather
I'm moving in a few days, so I can't really guarantee I'll look at it before next week. If anything, that list of birds without secondaries is bloaty. Don't put images on left of headers. Rework that one-sentence section. Also consider moving the single-use references inside the footnotes; separation has advantages, but is unnecessary for material used only once. As a personal aside, I hate these linked notes (the abbreviation is enough IMO), but that's not an acceptable criterion. I have an inordinate fondness for title abbreviations over years, though that is horrible in linked notes Circeus 21:24, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

Bird unprotection
It's on my watchlist. Also, a lot can change in two months, so give it a try. I'll restore the sprotection if things get too hairy again. Borisblue 07:37, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

Golden Gate bridge
Hi Firsfron: Just wondering if you remember why you added the WP:Bird project template to the Golden Gate Bridge article (back in December 2006)...  Inquiring minds want to know! :) MeegsC | Talk 13:03, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Hi Meegs!
 * I actually have no idea; that was seven months ago. ;) But I assume it was a mistake, and it can be safely removed. Best wishes and happy editing, Firsfron of Ronchester  23:09, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

Citation needed
Hi. Thanks for your message. All I think we need to see is a sufficient reference to enable verification of what is said - much the same as with anything on Wikipedia really. I'm sure it's possible to find a single reference which covers this rather than having to include many. If you'd like to fix this, Denis Summers-Smith's works would be a good starting point - let me know if you need further help tracking down something suitable and I'll see what I can do. All the best. SP-KP 15:54, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

Long-billed Wren
I guess the naming standardisation doesn't apply to extinct birds. I suggest creating a stub Long-billed Wren (South America) and fixing the links that need to go to it. We can then either move Long-billed Wren to Long-billed Wren (New Zealand) and have Longbilled Wren as a redirect page or we can just have a dab notice at the top. Sabine's Sunbird  talk  20:40, 21 July 2007 (UTC)

Bird lists
Thanks for nudging me. Yomangani talk 22:46, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

Certhia
Fixed that by putting the Common one back into the Short-toed article. Yes, Common and Brown are still somewhat close, but S-t is closer to Brown and Certhia hodgsoni (formerly included in Common) is actually rather a distinct sister species of Common. These form a western clade, and looking at a map, we have an "Atlantic" group (Brown & S-t.) and a "Eurasian" group (Common & Hogson's) in that clade. Dysmorodrepanis 20:51, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

Redirects
I'm certain only articles get redirects. There is no need for redirects to, it's unneeded duplication. Sabine's Sunbird  talk  23:44, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

Bird of Gambia
hallo MeegsC,

I'm returned after three weeks visit from the Gambia. Enjoy on many pictures about some birds, which have so far still no picture in the Wikipedia. wait you however to I it within the next weeks upload. (e.g.: cattle egret, squacco heron, hooded vulture, african harrier-hawk, black wood hoopoe, woodland kingfisher, blue-breasted kingfisher, red-billed hornbill, white-crowned robin-chat, yellow-crowned gonolek, red-cheeked cordon-bleu) --Atamari 16:17, 24 July 2007 (UTC) (german wikipedia)
 * more than 90 percent upload: de:Benutzer:Atamari/Bildergalerie/Gambia/Avifauna
 * are the identification correct? --Atamari 23:07, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

Moult references
Hi MeegsC, SS pointed out that the bird article - moult section needs references. Since you covered many of those aspects on flight feather, you may know many of the refs. I could look up refs for most of those statements, but it would make the number of citations a little too much but since most of these are covered in Gill or Pettingill, it may be good to cite a single suitable text. Unfortunately I don't have any of those works around, but was wondering if you might have access to them. Cheers. Shyamal 08:35, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

Bird collaboration of the month
As a member of WP:BIRD you are invited to this month's collaboration

Shyamal 02:18, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

Bird fair
Although I live in Leicestershire, I haven't made any plans to do so. I might go if there are some decent birds, but last weekend the water level was a bit high - Two adult Ospreys and juvenile in nest at Manton Bridge though. Jimfbleak 17:46, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

Peregrines
Hi. You asked me to have a look at the Peregrine page. I did, and made a few edits, but overall the page is not written from a very objective perspective. Several of the raptor pages are riddled with speculation, unsubstantiated (and unlikely theories, etc.) I haven't the time or energy to go correcting all that rot, especially given Wiki's rules. As an authoritative source, I'm not allowed to add my own knowledge, but must cite someone else (who may very well be less knowledgable than I) and I just don't have the energy to spend on what is rudamentary to me. The glaring stuff is gone, though>:)

All the best,

JT —Preceding unsigned comment added by Falc (talk • contribs) 23:09, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

Bird nest
Hi MeegsC, feel free to make changes as fit to the bird nest article. I am also adding various bits of information with the ref citation method I find easier at the moment. So it will take some effort cleaning up and restructuring, which I think you should have the privilege of making :P. Shyamal 05:05, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

Boilermaker
Hello MeegsC:

I see your note that you are a Boilermaker. I'm wondering which meaning of boilermaker the Purdue nickname comes from.

boil·er·mak·er (boi'lər-mā'kər) n.

1. One that makes or repairs boilers. 2. A drink of whiskey with a beer chaser.

Cheers, Wanderer57 19:26, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

Thanks. "The Purdue fans decided they rather liked the nickname, so it stuck! And I think Purdue might have won the game... :)"

I expect Purdue was more likely to keep the name after a win. ;o)

Cheers Wanderer57 20:10, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

Un águila mexicana - a Mexican eagle
These sites seem to be fairly "official looking" on the subject of the Mexican flag and coat of arms.

http://www.crwflags.com/fotw/flags/mx_1984.html#1984-1

http://www.crwflags.com/fotw/flags/mx).html

(The second one seems to be the same thing in English. My Spanish is not good enough to say that with confidence.)

http://www.siti.com.mx/musave.dir/index.htm

(This one has a picture and a scientific name.)

Wanderer57 23:15, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

Me again. The links below may interest you. As you say, the National Bird may not be the same as the bird on the Coat of Arms. It would be confusing, but certainly is possible. Two different genus names show up for the caracara.

You might want to post a question in Talk:Mexico. There are active Mexican editors of that article, including Supraman.

http://listserv.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9808c&L=birdchat&P=12061

http://www.natureserve.org/library/guarani_report_appendix_6.pdf

http://listserv.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind0110e&L=birdchat&P=2882

http://www.chapala.com/chapala/ojo2002/nationalbird.html

Bon chance! Wanderer57 00:37, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

Update: I asked a Mexican friend. She assures me that the eagle on the Coat of Arms is the Mexican National Bird. Wanderer57 18:40, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

The "Mexican" eagle is a Golden Eagle. They're found all over the globe. --JT 19:42, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

Re: Greetings
Hello Meegs. I am Dominican, but have been living for the past four years in Spain. Nonetheless, most of my contribs are on Dominican topics, specially so on environmentally related issues, because I worked with the Hispaniolan Ornithological Society over there.

Regarding the storm, no-one I know has been directly affected, but there has been lots of damage on a massive scale. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Cuyaya (talk • contribs) 10:51, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

Body Count (album)
Hi, I worked on the lead a little bit to fix the issues you discussed over at the FAC. Take a look. (Ibaranoff24 23:03, 5 November 2007 (UTC))

Sortable
seems to work for me - one click sorts the column, second click reverses order Jimfbleak 12:54, 6 November 2007 (UTC)


 * for all of them, although they're not very interesting -second column gives dones followed by blanks or blanks followed by dones you should see the column head you click on change to a down (or up) arrow, while the others give the sideways arrow indicators - can't understand why we are getting diff results from the same table. Jimfbleak 13:02, 6 November 2007 (UTC)


 * OK - the only thing I can think of is that it might be a browser thing - I use Firefox -but that just shows my ignorance of computing! Jimfbleak 13:09, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

Deletion of the Erdos Number categories
I've formally requested a deletion review towards overturning the deletion of the Erdos Number categories, at this deletion review log item. I don't understand your position on this subject but in consideration of canvassing guidelines it behooves me to mention it to you. Pete St.John 22:01, 7 November 2007 (UTC)


 * MeegsC, thank you very much for reconsidering! Yes, the problem seems to be that the two sides don't understand each other, and the debate seems circular. You are the first outsider I've noticed who accrues any value to the (maybe inconprehensible) preferences of the user group (mathematcians); and that's charitable. However this turns out, I thank you for the fleeting moment of apparent kindness :-) Pete St.John 22:21, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

Barn Swallow
Thanks for helpful peer review tips- I've been away for a couple of days, and I'm in London tomorrow, but I'll fix asap - Jimfbleak (talk) 13:52, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
 * I've been through most of your recommendations, not quite finished yet. Could you look, please, at the new bit in status about the World Cup? Do you believe the bit about swallows using buildings subsequent to the NAm use. Although it's referenced, you would think swallows would have nested in barns from time immemorial? Jimfbleak (talk) 17:31, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
 * thanks again!Jimfbleak (talk) 06:32, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

Template help
Is it possible to program a template so that the text can change depending on a variable passed to the template? In other words, can I program it to say "has" if the number "1" is passed to it and "have" if a number greater than "1" is passed? I'm working on a script you can access from my sandbox. MeegsC | Talk 17:25, 28 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Template magic isn't quite my thing, but parser functions should do what you want. See this for a description of '#ifeq' which seems to be the one you'll want to use. --Sopoforic (talk) 17:39, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
 * You might want to post your inquiry at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Templates or look at the participant list and go directly to one of them. --12 N oo n 17:42, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

The Carpenters - Peer Edit
Hi,

Thanks for volunteering to review The Carpenters. It means a lot to me! If possible, you can leave a message on my talk page (click on the "91093" of my username). Is there anything immediately that needs to be taken care of regarding The Carpenters? Let's keep in touch.

Thank you! -- Cuyler 91093  contributions  04:45, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

I know I have some documents that show interviews speaking about the Carpenters. I'll work on it tomorrow. There is no need to rush. -- Cuyler 91093  contributions  09:48, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

colon
Hi Meegs—the colon is fine; alternatively, you could use a dash ("Connecticut – Richard" or "Connecticut—Richard"). You might consider dropping the comma after "1946", or you might retain it. I'm not sure that you need both "two" and "both". Tony  (talk)  09:59, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

List of Massachusetts Birds peer review
Thanks for the tips on cleaning up the list. I'll try to get on them as time allows.... Pmeleski 14:54, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

Formatting dates
I have restored the full-date links in The Carpenters that you recently removed. Your point in the edit summary that date links 'aren't "required to give context to the article"' is true, but you will find this admonition neither in the main WP:MOS page (as you cited) nor in the part of WP:MOS — WP:CONTEXT — that makes this general argument. This is because the primary reason for using date links is for user preference-based formatting, as discussed in WP:MOSDATE (or MOS:DATE, for better squeezing into edit summaries ☺ ).

The idea is that any time a date can be formatted to suit any of the styles chosen by users, it should be. The only time dates should not be formatted are basically (A) in titles and headings, which should be fixed (and shouldn't include links anyway); (B) when quoting (the original text should be used); and (C) when the MediaWiki software can't handle the formatting correctly, as in date ranges (e.g., December 4-5). I'd be happy to answer any questions you have about this policy. I hope you find this information useful. ~ Jeff Q (talk) 17:43, 2 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Hi Jeffq: I'm working with the main article editors to bring the article up to FA standards; they've asked me to help out with copy-editing.  The automated review generated by the bot which examines peer review articles for MOS problems specifically recommended removing those links.  If that isn't correct, then someone needs to bring that to the bot author's attention&mdash;we're only doing what we've been asked to do! :) MeegsC | Talk 17:51, 2 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Here's the review that recommends we remove them. MeegsC | Talk 19:01, 2 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the info. The problem is that you're misinterpreting what the bot is recommending. The policy per MOS:DATE is that solitary days of the week (e.g., Saturday), solitary months (e.g., January), solitary years (1970), and solitary month-year combinations (January 1970) should not be linked unless they provided needed context. (Same thing with decades and centuries, I guess; I never bother to link or unlink them, so I don't recall the exact policy.) But month-date (January 3) and full-date (3 January 1970) should be linked, not for hyperlink purposes but really to properly format them per user preferences. Please read the full MOS:DATE policy to see the detailed explanation of the difference.


 * A quick examination of the version of the article before the bot's recommendation was posted indicates at least one linked solitary year (1972, in the "The Carpenters (1969-1983)" paragraph that starts with '"Top of the World" was the group's…'). I imagine that was enough to trigger the recommendation.


 * I would agree that the bot's message could be clearer, but I'd bet these bot writers just assume that anyone working on these recommendations knows all the subtle distinctions, which IMHO is a bad assumption. (I doubt there's a single human being who can say they know the state of the entire WP:MOS, which means the more comprehensive the bot is in its recommendations, the more important it is that it's precise about those recommendations.) Meanwhile, this is how we learn about these subtleties — having fellow editors post annoying messages about them. (Believe me, I know. &#9786; ) Please forgive the nudgery. ~ Jeff Q (talk) 21:36, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

2006 Chick-fil-A Bowl FAC
Wanted to let you know that 2006 Chick-fil-A Bowl is a featured article candidate again. You supported the article the last time it came up as a candidate, but unfortunately, not enough other people agreed to support it last time. I'd really appreciate it if you could take a spin by the comments page when you've got the time and leave your support if you think it's still worthy. Thanks! JKBrooks85 23:05, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

Barn Swallow
Your punctuation note came as a surprise to me, since I wrote it in British! Looks as if US editors, in the course of otherwise very constructive editing have helpfully fixed the punctuation not realising it was OK anyway. When I looked at the article after your note, it had been "corrected" again. If it occurs again, I'll add a hidden note. Thanks for your help and support. Jimfbleak (talk) 09:25, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

Elton
Hi and thanks! I am a Wikipedian for more than three years and I am the administrator, I know why we have interwiki links here. The reason why I removed that link is that hu:Elton doesn't say about the lake but about completely different topic. Cheers. - Darwinek (talk) 17:32, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

Soaring birds
That's probably a better definition of what I was trying to say. The essence to my argument was that silhouettes can be used to identify a number of birds, and also to learn about their wing morphology and likely lifestyle. However, this will be of limited value in the case of swifts, swallows, hummingbirds, etc. I was also thinking whether it could apply to bats, and I'm not sure. My naive impression is that their wing morphology is not as variable as that of birds. Anyway, just putting it here because it may be better to let the discussion run on for a little longer before I start giving my own views/summary. Samsara (talk • contribs) 15:42, 7 December 2007 (UTC)


 * (butting in) Thing is Samsara I've only seen silhouettes widely used in a minority of bird groups (i.e. raptors and seabirds only). Good idea. I am worried about clutter on some bio pages though. mycomorphboxes have been fun (not) to work with on fungi pages but are very useful. cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 15:50, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

Discussion of animal pictures, articles
I just wanted to write back and thank everyone who's participated in the discussion about what kinds of animal pictures fit the requirement of encyclopaedic value, with specific reference to head shots, notably of birds; and also about whether the inclusion of some graphic information should be compulsory at FAC (distribution maps, various depictions of the animal).

I'm sorry that the discussion became derailed by User:Fir0002. I'll adhere to WP:AGF for the time being.

I thought I would sum up what we discussed:


 * Head shots can be useful for birds that have distinctive colour markings or other features on the head, but makes less sense for others (Totnesmartin)
 * Head shots are necessary when species are only distinguishable by their cranial morphology (Dinoguy2)
 * Head shots are not of interest outside Craniata (Dinoguy2)
 * MeegsC brought up the term "soaring" as a better description of where flight silhouettes would be useful; Casliber later referred to "raptors and seabirds" (I checked my bird books (n=4), and I see silhouettes or semi-profile views of the flying bird used in a much wider range of taxa, including ducks, pigeons, herons, cranes, storks, swallows, swifts, and probably others that I didn't memorise)
 * Jimfbleak expressed the opinion that there can be no rule where exceptions exist. (I disagree. Rules could allow for exceptions, which just means we only have to discuss the exceptions, not every other case as well.)
 * Jimfbleak said it may be better to use sparrows or pigeons for the size comparison. (I disagree: Not everywhere that has internet has sparrows and pigeons, and house sparrows at least are different sizes in different places)
 * Jimfbleak expressed desire for restricting FPC to animals in the wild, and allow captive shots only for domesticated species.
 * Casliber supported mandatory distribution maps
 * Casliber opposed size comparisons for plants (I'm guessing this was pre-emptive, as nobody had proposed size comparisons for plants)
 * I then suggested that a mechanism could be created for WikiProjects to set up their own definitions for excellent articles, and these could be showcased aside from the traditional Featured Articles and TFA; this proposal was mostly ignored by subsequent comments
 * Firsfron expressed concern that there wouldn't be enough illustrators to create the required illustrations and raised further exceptions (which I regard as irrelevant because the proposal already allows for special cases to be considered differently)
 * Firsfron suggested that if anything other than a distribution map was made mandatory, an illustration of a skull might be the best thing
 * Sabine's Sunbird seemed to oppose distribution maps being mandatory on the basis that they took effort to make (I'm unsure that this is correct, and was left wondering what the HBW size comparisons were)
 * Calibas was against "rules" (I don't see how we can carry on without some of the policies and guidelines we have)

In conclusion, most concerns were to do with allowing for exceptions, which is already the case in all guidelines I'm aware of, including the proposals discussed here.

To return to the original proposal, nobody has been able to make a strong general case for head shots in birds or any other larger taxon, a finding I interpret as meaning my personal guideline is sound. I hope others may find parts of it useful and adopt them. If you have any further comments on the FPC, FAC, or WikiProject content creation proposals, please leave them on my talk page. Thank you. Samsara (talk • contribs) 13:59, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

List of Massachusetts birds
I fixed the section headers and the table of contents this morning (making only the first letter capitalized except in the case of proper nouns). I'm not sure what you are looking for with the references. If you want references added throughout the article, I can't help with that. I know almost nothing about birds, and I just picked this article at random to help with. If you just wanted the References section changed into the standard format, I've done that (if that was not what you wanted, please feel free to revert that edit). GaryColemanFan (talk) 16:19, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

Bird header
Hi MeegsC, I am unable to figure the problem you are facing with the template. I turned on the section editing and it seems to look fine. See User:Shyamal/sandbox and User:Shyamal/Template:Birdhead. Shyamal (talk) 12:49, 15 December 2007 (UTC)

Bird capitilization
Thanks. I believe your cite. However, it seems a bit like the esoteric enforcing something not generally used in a general purpose encyclopedia. Anyway, I think we should discuss this Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Birds <---there. The convention used by a birding book may not necessarily be useful at Wikipedia. TableManners (talk) 17:45, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

Follow Up on The Carpenters
Hi Meegs,

First off, I'd like to thank you very much. I truly believe that The Carpenters has improved so much, all thanks to you. Second off, I'd like to hear some of your opinions. Do you think it's deserving of an A (as opposed to the B that it has now)? Thank you so much! -- Cuyler 91093  contributions  05:22, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

Judge John Deed
Hi, thanks for all of your suggestions at the peer review. I'll comb through them all at the end of the week. Brad (talk) 14:17, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

Flight feather/Evolution: Thanks for your response.
"accusing other editors of "reprehensible" decisions and then signing your post "respectfully" is probably not the best way to encourage people to take your comments as ... constructive criticism" -- Yeah, I thought long and hard about that. I believe that sometimes respect for a subject -- and for a colleague writing about it -- can require saying "I think that you're making an important error there." IMHO this is especially true in matters scientific and in writing an encyclopedia for the public. I think that it can be done respectfully, and I tried to do so. Maybe I could have phrased things more skillfully. Please allow me to re-iterate that my respect is sincere. -- Writtenonsand (talk) 02:12, 26 December 2007 (UTC) (As I come to think of it, your response to my post is frankly of the same pattern: You wish to point out an error that you believe I've made, but to do so respectfully. It's always tough for us to strike the right tone in these things. We do our best. Have a good one. :-) ) -- Writtenonsand (talk) 02:13, 26 December 2007 (UTC)

The Carpenters Again
Do you think I should add more citations to the Carpenters? Do you have any more suggestions for me? I'd be happy to help. -- Cuyler 91093  -  Contributions  - 20:51, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

Re: Congrats
Thanks, MeegsC! Appreciate it. JKBrooks85 (talk) 01:10, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

Wilson's Snipe and Common Snipe
Thanks for the feedback and the technical correction. I changed it to Wilson's Snipe, but we in the U.S. still call it "Common Snipe" in the context of hunting as far as I know. Is this okay? Thanks. T ableM anners U·T·C 03:08, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

HBW
Hi - thanks for your offer of help with looking something up. If you take a look at Birds of South Asia, you'll see that in the footnotes, I've got two references to HBW vol 10, one (#14) is detailed and the other (#18) sketchy. Basically, I'm just after the info I need to bring the sketchy one up to the same level of detail of the detailed one, if that makes sense. Thanks. SP-KP (talk) 00:31, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

Meegs - many thanks, Steve. SP-KP (talk) 19:29, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

Feather illustrations
Hi MeegsC, I added a few images recently that may be of use with cleanup/modification. Image:ThrushTail.jpg, Image:MeasureBeakThrush.jpg, Image:MeasureWingThrush.jpg, Image:UpperWingThrush.jpg,‎ Image:BarbetRictalBristle.jpg, Image:ThrushUpperWing.jpg‎, Image:ThrushWing.jpg. Shyamal (talk) 04:40, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

WP:ERRORS
The page you posted this comment on is reserved for errors on the main page itself, rather than the featured article page, which you are able to fix without the help of an admin. As for the penises- common or garden vandalism. I will look into it, but we generally don't protect today's featured article. J Milburn (talk) 23:43, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
 * The problem has been fixed, just a vandal taking advantage of a transcluded template. Template was reverted and protected, image deleted and vandal blocked. J Milburn (talk) 23:53, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

Speedy deletion of Template:User:MeegsC/grebe-header
A tag has been placed on Template:User:MeegsC/grebe-header requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section T3 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because it is a deprecated or orphaned template. After seven days, if it is still unused and the speedy deletion tag has not been removed, the template will be deleted.

If the template is intended to be substituted, please feel free to remove the speedy deletion tag and please consider putting a note on the template's page indicating that it is substituted so as to avoid any future mistakes (&lt;noinclude>&#123;{transclusionless}}&lt;/noinclude>).

Thanks. --MZMcBride (talk) 22:14, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

Welcome to Novels WikiProject
Hi, and welcome to the Novels WikiProject! As you may have guessed, we're a group of editors working to improve Wikipedia's coverage of topics related to fiction books often referred to as "Novels".

A few features that you might find helpful:


 * Our navigation box points to most of the useful pages within the project.
 * The announcement and open task box is updated quite regularly. You can watch it if you're interested; or, you can add it directly to your user page by including WikiProject_Novels_announcements there. While you are updating your userpage, don't forget our userbox   .
 * The project has a monthly newsletter; it will normally be delivered as a link, but other methods are available.

There are a variety of interesting things to do within the project; you're free to participate however much—or little—you like:


 * Starting some new articles? Our article structure guidelines / template outlines some things to include.

If you have any questions, please don't hesitate to ask one of the members, and we'll be happy to help you. Again, welcome! We look forward to seeing you around! :: Kevinalewis  : (Talk Page) /(Desk)  17:24, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

Bird Article
Clearly You like Birds. As do I, but to not let people write about birds' compairison to and add the classification that make them dinosaurs and still retain  bird  classification to open people to the knowlege of birds are dinosaurs. Unfortunatlly some people just skim the articles an have no clue bird are dinosaurs or think,  well, birds are related to dinosaurs, but are not dinosaurs, like crocodiles , and so this should be addressed at the top of the article. If you really like birds, please don't disrepect their past and geneology conected to non-avian dinosaurs and help fend off the editors that don't agree. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Westvoja (talk • contribs) 01:07, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

sorry, thanks for reminding me
oops, forgot to update next collaboration choosing date. Now done. Casliber (talk · contribs) 01:47, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

YES! AMILLIONS TIMES YES!!!!!!
You have just made my day. i would be happy tobe a co taskforce co leader with you, but i will be away from the comp till sunday, so talk to you then. -Tobi4242 (talk) 02:37, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

Bird Article
Thanks for the message. After contacting you the first time, I found the dissucion page to the Bird article and wrote down my reasons to edit it. Next time I will summarize my edit, but soreses to my edit are already listed under the Dinosaur, Feathered Dinosaurs, Dromeosaur, and Trodiont(spelling error). And several paleontologist web sites that are linked to these articles already metioned the kinship of bird and non-avian dinosaurs. And hopefully some day, Bird and Dinosaur articles will become one. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Westvoja (talk • contribs) 16:43, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

Featured topic
That would be great. All the articles are complete except for Cathartidae. Any help on that would be fantastic, particularly from editors who have experience working on family articles. Thanks again! hey jude. 14:30, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

task force

 * Just to let you know, I am still in middle school, so i amfar younger than most editors, and probably not expierenced enough to head it mostly myself, so i would ask jimbleak or whatever(no offense to him)to also head it. sorry if my age is a shock or conflict, and also, i have a full plate myself, but i could still help. thanks. -Tobi4242 (talk) 19:35, 24 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Glad to here it, and the newsletter looks great.-Tobi4242 (talk) 21:08, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

Featured list candidates/List of Interstates in Texas
I believe I have taken care of all the issues you had. When you get a chance, can you take a look to see if you have any additional comments? Many thanks. --Holderca1talk 14:49, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

RFA
MeegsC, I am continually impressed with your contributions across en.wp, especially in the namespace. Would you wish to go to RFA, if I did a nomination? Regards, Rudget . 19:02, 28 February 2008 (UTC)
 * That's fine. Get in touch whenever you feel. Reagrds, Rudget . 15:57, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

WikiProjet Birds March 2008 Newsletter (full contents)
This has been an automated delivery by BrownBot (talk) 18:39, 1 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Congratulations on the project's first newsletter! I just wanted to let you know that there is a list of all WP newsletters and I added yours. If possible, be sure to update this page every month when you have a new newsletter. Additionally, you can use this page to find ideas for expanding/improving your newsletter based on other projects' newsletters. Good job and happy editing! --Nehrams2020 (talk) 01:10, 2 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Hello. I just got back from a long trip to Boston, so sorry for being brief, but there is only one article left for the Feature Topic, as New World Vulture and Cathartidae are the same. Thanks for advertising though- it would be nice to have help, particularly as the time I can spend here becomes more limited. Rufous-crowned Sparrow (talk) 04:51, 2 March 2008 (UTC)

The Novels WikiProject Newsletter - Issue XXII - March 2008
The March 2008 issue of the Novels WikiProject newsletter has been published. You may read the newsletter, change the format in which future issues will be delivered to you, or unsubscribe from this notification by following the link. Thank you. This is an automated delivery by KevinalewisBot --17:15, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

WikiProject Novels - 1st Coordinators Election
An election has been proposed and has been set up for this project. Description of the roles etc., can be found at WikiProject Novels/Coordinators. If you wish to stand, enter your candidacy before the end of March and ask your questions of anyone already standing at WikiProject Novels/Coordinators/May 2008. Voting will start on the 1st April and close at the end of April. The intention is for the appointments to last from May - November 2008. For other details check out the pages or ask. KevinalewisBot (talk) 13:23, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

Peer review thanks
Thank you for your comments on this peer review for Le chemin de fer. The are appreciated, and investing your time in someone else's article is very admirable work. ALTON .ıl  04:40, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

Re:Vandals
Thankyou for bringing this to my attention. I have blocked the troublesome IP for 1 week.  Lra drama 13:35, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

WikiProject Birds April 2008 Newsletter
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FYI
In case you have not noticed - Requests_for_adminship/Sabine's_Sunbird ! Shyamal (talk) 07:56, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

The Novels WikiProject Newsletter - Issue XXIII - April 2008
The April 2008 issue of the Novels WikiProject newsletter has been published. You may read the newsletter, change the format in which future issues will be delivered to you, or unsubscribe from this notification by following the link. Thank you. John Carter (talk) 22:40, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

Thanks and Birds
Thanks for the welcome. I like birds too. And the outdoors. A loon is visiting a lake near where I live; I saw it fly in, and then it made its beautiful loon call! I'll check out the bird project. See ya around! Rocky Mountain Goat (talk) 23:45, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

Outreach ideas.
I've been toying in my head for a while with the best way to recruit new members, and reach out to a wider birder community. The fact is that we are now one of the largest bird websites out there - I mean the biggest actual site, but also as a repository of information and media. I think we could get more high quality editors (and image contributors) out there if we could generate some interest from the other big websites (like fatbirder) or the birding magazines. I'm reluctant to go spamming websites (as a moderator on a messageboard I know how well that goes down), but I'm wondering if we couldn't approach one of the birding magazines to try and pitch a story. The media loves Wikipedia stories, and the truly international nature of the Project (with Kiwis, Aussies, Indians, Americans and Brits for starters) could be quite cool. What do you think? Perhaps we could see if anyone on the project knows anyone who we could pitch it to. Sabine's Sunbird  talk  22:15, 13 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Nice idea. I have a piece of published rhetoric here on why such information should be made more publicly accessible. Let me know if I can help. Shyamal (talk) 01:34, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

Copyright on bird lists
Hi MeegsC, great work on the copyright issues checks. I think a small FAQ section on whether lists of birds constitute copyright violation should be on the WP:BIRD page just to pre-empt future troubles. You could post the mail, with the emails masked but the message ID headers included. Message IDs are the long alphabets+numbers in email headers Message-ID: <89CC7F16AF99834EBDA28D3E76BE21A3CC49F5@UMEXCH1.domain.name> that are not normally visible but are tracked on the servers and constitute legal evidence. Shyamal (talk) 01:57, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

Thanks
For your reply to my question on Talk:Common Raven. That was exactly the sort of information I had been looking for. -- arkuat (talk) 08:17, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

Also thanks
...for your work peer reviewing Philadelphia Phillies seasons. I hope I've addressed your concerns; please feel free to leave more comments. KV5 (talk) 14:03, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

My edit of you private page
I took the liberty of editing your private page, MeegsC/Sandbox3, because the syntax for the template shortcut is in the process of being updated. Your implementation, which worked previously, broke the new syntax. You can find more information at CAT:SHORTFIX. Best wishes. --DRoll (talk) 23:09, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

The Novels WikiProject Newsletter - Issue XXIV - May 2008
The May 2008 issue of the Novels WikiProject newsletter has been published. You may read the newsletter, change the format in which future issues will be delivered to you, or unsubscribe from this notification by following the link. Thank you. SteveCrossinBot (talk) 08:10, 10 May 2008 (UTC)

Domesticated Pigeons Task Force
Hi MeegsC, Thanks again for the encouragement. I would like to take you up on your kind offer. Can you help me to find a way to get a better shortcut to the DP Task Force page? Right now this is the shortcut--WP:WikiProject Birds/Task forces/Domesticated pigeons. Not much of a shortcut at all. :-) I was hoping perhaps you could suggest a way to shorten that?--Onorio (talk) 23:32, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
 * How about WP:PIGEONS? Just create it and make it a redirect to the taskforce page. Sorry for butting in. I'll leave quietly.--<b style="color:green; font-family:Vladimir Script;">Sting au</b>  Buzz Me...   23:48, 15 May 2008 (UTC)


 * You're not butting in and I deeply appreciate your assistance. Thanks for your help. --Onorio (talk) 13:08, 16 May 2008 (UTC)
 * ✅ found some time :-) <b style="color:green; font-family:Vladimir Script;">Sting au</b>  Buzz Me...   05:31, 16 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Glad you've got that sorted! It looks like you're off to a good start—and that you've got a few folks really committed to your task force, which is certainly helpful... MeegsC | Talk 09:51, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

Peregrine Falcon
Hello, thank you. You are of course correct, I meant to add that it is reverse sexual dimorphism and got confused by the previous anonymous users edits which swapped these round and then swapped them back again. I have put the reverse back in since this is accurate. Thanks, Jdrewitt (talk) 19:37, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

Champion Jockey
As a racing expert - I am aware the Champion NH jockey is not decided for over 11 months yet. I just thought it was a good idea that we have a running update on the 2008/9 title - as this is set to be the closest one in over 12 years (with 3 names already cutting to the chase). I will therefore recreate this edit with more emphasis on the fact that it is a contest in progresss. If you disagree with this don't hesitate to contact me on the talk page so we can sort out a compromise. Best; Seivad (talk) 23:06, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for congrats
Thank you for your note. How kind. – Scartol  •  Tok  10:58, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

WikiProject Birds June 2008 Newsletter
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Antbird sounds
Are you back from Alaska yet? I'd love some antbird sounds. Sabine's Sunbird  talk  04:10, 25 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks so much! They sound great. Sabine's Sunbird  talk  02:41, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

re:American Black Vulture map
I looked at a few other maps and you're definitely right. Unfortunately, I can't fix the map right now because my computer crashed due to a virus, and though I'm borrowing a computer to use the internet, it doesn't have the right software to fix the map. I should be getting a new computer in mid-July, and will correct the map then. --hey jude. 13:09, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

Gokcen_Karan
Nothing there to suggest that he is notable within the wikipedia guidelines, even the list of books isn't actually a list of book titles, just links to computer topics. There are no independent references, so I'd say it's a clear nn. jimfbleak (talk) 12:49, 1 July 2008 (UTC)
 * redirect deleted too jimfbleak (talk) 19:08, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

Copy edits and the backlog
Hi there!

I noticed you were active in the former league of copy-editors. I joined the LOCE something like a few days before it became historical, and have been making a lonely effort to reduce the copy-edit backlog so I've been curious - why did the LOCE close, are there any efforts going on out there to reduce the copy-edit backlog, and do you think there's a point in establishing (and would you join) a wikiproject purely to maintain the category of articles needing copy edits? Thanks ;) -Samuel Tan (talk) 09:58, 2 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Actually, I only joined a few days before it went historical too—as, I think, did a few others. So yes, I'd be interested in getting something going again. I've been working on a few of the Jan. 2007 articles (Donovan McNabb, Manayunk, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, etc.) in my spare time, but it's definitely not a speedy process! From what I've read on the talk page, I think the giant backlog became something of an issue, but from what I can see, all flagged articles went into that backlog—regardless of whether they were specific requests from people asking for help before taking articles to GA/FA/FL, or articles flagged by readers who thought they needed work. (The graph on the WP:LoCE main page includes everything, at any rate.) It would have been helpful to have some way of separating out the two categories, so that those specifically requesting help could have received a timelier response! :P Anyway, I've been plugging away on my own too, trying to chip away at that giant list... Nice to know there are others out there too! : ) MeegsC (copied from talk page of Samuel Tan)
 * Yes it can really be very slow. Especially on the seriously long articles! We don't actually need to "split" the copy edits into "flagged" and "specific requests" because there are already specific wikiprojects for people who are trying to get their articles tio GA/FA (WP:GAN, WP:PR, etc?). The problem has been trying to get the editors on those projects interested in helping to clear the backlog; no one has responded to my requests on those talk pages. So I'm thinking of a wikiproject created purely to maintain the list of articles needing copy edit, and trying to find out why the LOCE died, just in case people try to get a new copy-editors wikiproject closed too :) We'll see. I'll see how many people I can get interested. -Samuel Tan (talk) 10:33, 2 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I'll let you know when we have enough to start a project... Minimum number of people interested is 5, I think. We can work out the details when we have a bunch of interested people. :) -Samuel Tan (talk) 13:32, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

Saint Pierre and Miquelon
First, you're right the above area does not qualify as Caribbean. Neither, for that matter, does Bermuda. The Saint Pierre and Miquelon group was created like the groups for all other overseas territories as a way to maybe allow a bit of focus on those territories, which tend to get less attention from the project of the "parent" country. In this case, the people at WikiProject France chose, for whatever reason, to not make the group on that area a direct subproject of theirs. Also, unfortunately, there is not now a WikiProject North America, nor, given the number of projects already dealing with all the other areas of NA, is there likely to ever be one. That left the most appropriate "parent" to add parameters to the Caribbean, as the nearest. Canada wouldn't work, given the political differences. Also, I think pretty much everyone would agree SP&M isn't likely to ever merit a standalone project. The only option that came to mind was to expand the scope of that project to include Bermund and SP&M. If however that is unacceptable, I could try alternate arrangements. John Carter (talk) 14:27, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

Thank you
Thank you very much for wanting to help. If you guys want to put your banner on all the bird disease yalk pages (and subgroups that I listed) then I have no problem with that, as long as you also modify your scope statement to include bird diseases. Only putting it on two seems inappropriate. As for where you could help, well, where ever you are motivated and qualified. I mentioned the H?N? articles that don't yet exist as one place to start. Interested in trying to write those? Have you read Influenza A? WAS 4.250 (talk) 17:36, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

US v Rest of World English
Hi MeegsC, I'm sure that it's been argued thousands of times on Wikipedia, and I find the spelling of a word (gray or grey) to describe the color (colour) of a bird that is found throughout the world fairly trivial, but when I noticed that it was changed on the Peregrine article I thought that it might remind US readers that there are other points-of-view beside Uncle Sam's. It might be worth checking out the English spelling comparison chart page ....note that of the six countries 4 or 5 spell 'Grey' with an e not an a. I believe the bird in question can be found in all of them (...except NZ) As an Australian I'm currently enjoying using non-microsoft software, one of the benefits being that I don't have to use US English protocols. I'm not a 'Yank-basher' (I have many good-friends in the USA) but please take a moment to see why many people world-wide have issues with this sort of arrogant attitude. Aviceda  talk  10:41, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

WikiProject Articles needing copy edit (tentative name)
Hello there!

I have begun laying the groundwork for a new WikiProject that has a very simple goal, to improve Wikipedia by dealing with the articles tagged for copy edit, and I am wondering if you are interested in helping me start it. This project is not a clone of WP:LOCE because we will not deal with requests for review (that is currently handled by our good friends over at Peer Review).

I expect that this will be a relaxed, happy and casual WikiProject, because participants will be able to take things at their own pace and use the project page to ask other participants for help. The project proposal is here, and I have created an almost-functional project page in my userspace here.

There are now over 4000 articles needing copy edit, and very, very few people working on them, so any help, however small, is appreciated. If you are interested, please sign up at the proposal page. Once we have enough people, I will shift the project page, along with its subpages from my userspace into the Wikipedia namespace. For now we can use this section of my talk page to discuss the direction and details of the project, and, of course, its name. *grin*

Cheers! -- Samuel  Tan  12:28, 21 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the support! The project page is now up at WikiProject Articles Needing Copy Edit. It's now a bit bland 'cos there are no pretty pictures yet heh... Feel free to sign up there, and discuss details and direction and what not at its talk page. I'll be sending out invitations to the members of WP:Grammar, and later WP:LOCE and maybe WP:PR. Cheers! - Samuel  Tan  03:13, 22 July 2008 (UTC)