User talk:Michael Bednarek/Archive 9

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Opera Project stuff
Hi Michael (just in case you see this while on your travels), I'm writing to members who participated in the March 2013 discussions about the possibility of developing an opera infobox. We now have a reasonably stable and usable box with examples of how it would look in articles at Template:Infobox opera and a new discussion re its potential addition to the project's Article Guide as an option for opera articles. The discussion is at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Opera. Best, Voceditenore (talk) 08:06, 5 June 2013 (UTC)

List of compositions by Anton Bruckner
I don't know if you would be interested in having a look at List of compositions by Anton Bruckner? I'm basically the No. 3 editor involved after a CM project editor and a Brucknerian. -- Klein zach  06:13, 21 June 2013 (UTC)
 * What do you suggest I should do? Improve the sorting of the "Title" column? Or sort the "Key" column according to the circle of fifths? ([half]joking) -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 11:05, 21 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Well, maybe have a look at this first! (I didn't know about the Circle of fifths. Yes, I like it. Why can't I click on and get the sounds? ) -- Klein zach  08:08, 24 June 2013 (UTC)

June 2013
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 * Dieskau|Fischer-Dieskau]] in Schubert's Songs (1977) as "mere miniatures of little importance". Harry Peter Clive: Schubert and His World, OUP 1997, p.9, ISBN 978-0-19-816582-8 to music.

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 * Article in the Encyclopaedia of Melbourne Online
 * *Inner Voices (chamber opera) by Brian Howard and Louis Nowra, 2 October 1979 (Grant Street Theatre, Melbourne), conducted

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 * and the family continued northward after two days to Olmütz today Olomouc. It was there that, on 26 October, Wolfgang showed the first symptoms of smallpox.

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Plácido Domingo repertoire
We have opened a discussion on the talk page Talk:Repertoire_of_Plácido_Domingo which you are invited to read and to which you are welcome to contribute. Thanks in advance for your open-minded support.83.77.253.211 (talk) 10:36, 29 June 2013 (UTC)

Domingo and versatile....
Thanks for your comments and support of this issue. As you'll now see, I've maybe solved the problem and used a rather ironic statement on the edit line in the hope that this user will heed my advice in future. Viva-Verdi (talk) 22:28, 29 June 2013 (UTC)

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 * com/newspapers?id=cHBmAAAAIBAJ&sjid=XosNAAAAIBAJ&pg=6475,5011881&dq "Rhodesia picks Ode to Joy", The Vancouver Sun, 30 August 1974

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 * Warda Al-Jazairia وردة الجزائرية (22 July 1939 – 17 May 2012) was an Algerian-Lebanese singer who

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 * (tragedia lirica), in three acts by Gaetano Donizetti. Felice Romani wrote the Italian libretto after Byron's 1816 poem Parisina.

Composer navbox blank line
Hi Michael, I've been trying to figure out why our opera composer navboxes have a blank line between the "[show]" button and the " V * T * E  " links. Any ideas why? Does it really need to be there? Thanks for help! --Robert.Allen (talk) 00:06, 8 July 2013 (UTC)
 * The intricacies of Composer navbox and its dependencies on Sidebar with collapsible lists, Module:Sidebar, and many CSS styles and classes are too much for me to follow. Maybe someone at Village pump (technical) can help. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 06:05, 8 July 2013 (UTC)
 * So true! Thanks for looking at it! --Robert.Allen (talk) 06:53, 8 July 2013 (UTC)
 * (watching) Do I assume right that this is not about composer navbox (bottom) but "composer's operas" (side). A navbox is much better at the bottom. There is no need for an additional one on the side, also no need to get rid of it, of course ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:58, 8 July 2013 (UTC)
 * I'm glad you winked, you talk-page stalker, you! --Robert.Allen (talk) 07:04, 8 July 2013 (UTC)
 * (ec) Did you know that Michael was the first on Wikipedia to ask me a content question (regarding a composer with an infobox)? I am here as a friend ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:18, 8 July 2013 (UTC)

Michael, I decided to try first at Template talk:Sidebar with collapsible lists. If that doesn't work, maybe Village Pump. --Robert.Allen (talk) 07:15, 8 July 2013 (UTC)

Symbols, in text or text-sized
In List of compositions by Anton Bruckner we used a two-note symbol to link to IMSLP. (Were you involved with that? I can't remember.) I'd like to do something similar for discographies, using a miniature disc. Any idea how I could do this? Thanks. -- Klein zach  00:40, 9 July 2013 (UTC)
 * I gave some for the Bruckner list at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Classical music. That involved a Unicode character which depicted two beamed eighth notes,   (&#x266B;). Possibly suitable Unicode for discs might be   (&#x1F4BD; MiniDisc) or   (&#x1F4BF; Optical Disc) with a variation   (&#x1F4C0;) for a DVD; these are from the Unicode block Miscellaneous Symbols And Pictographs. A potential problem with these characters is that they are not guaranteed to be present in any given type face; IMO they are not very pictorial at this size; here they are shown at a larger font size (16 pt): &#x1F4BD; &#x1F4BF; &#x1F4C0; which makes them a bit clearer.
 * Another method is to pick an image from Commons:Category:Category:Optical disc icons or Commons:Category:Vinyl records. My favourites would be CD icon test.svg or Nuvola apps kscd.svg for optical discs and 45 rpm record.png or Disque Vinyl.svg for vinyl records. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 02:10, 9 July 2013 (UTC)
 * That's very helpful. I'm inclined to go with an image if there are no technical issues, and one that will work at a very small size maybe CD icon.svg or CD icon test.svg. Would that work? -- Klein zach  02:58, 9 July 2013 (UTC)
 * I don't see why not. I can only speculate that having hundreds of these images on a page might slow it down a bit. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 03:07, 9 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Maybe not hundreds. I've tried this out here. Is it OK? -- Klein zach  03:38, 9 July 2013 (UTC)
 * I can see no problem with that. Very clever. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 04:35, 9 July 2013 (UTC)

Totals in sortable lists
I am now working on List of power stations in Japan — for light relief after the shenanigans on the music articles! I'm wondering if there is a way of adding an automatic sum function to give total MW capacities for each section (each fuel type). Is there an easy way of doing this? Thanks. -- Klein zach  07:55, 11 July 2013 (UTC)
 * 'fraid not. You have to compute the totals outside Wikipedia and then type them into the table code. Computing the totals can be quite simple by exporting the wikitable with cut/paste to a spreadsheet. This definitely works for MS Excel and Google spreadsheets. There are also tools to convert Excel worksheets to wiki code, but I don't think that's necessary just to get the totals across. Let me know if you want me to do the cut/paste/sum/type part. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 11:28, 11 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks, I think could do it myself with a spreadsheet, but the next time someone added a new power station the total would then be out of date. I think that's probably why no-one has done this before on similar articles. -- Klein zach  22:01, 11 July 2013 (UTC)

How do you call your self an editor
How do you call your self an editor ... when at your apparent best... you cut out 5,000 plus characters ON TOPIC. Material it took hours put together. Section was about N3V history, which updated the article to the last six years, not left it in the last decade. You should really feel proud, if you were 14.

Kindly take the time TO EDIT, not revert or don't come to Wikipedia. THis is butchery and laziness. You don't like the tone, fix it. No problem. But N3V and Trainz are intertwined, PERIOD. N3V's other projects were things your cavalier edit also cut out. BE AN EDITOR, NOT A PROBLEM. // Fra nkB 02:46, 14 July 2013 (UTC)
 * You didn't notice the red error messages in of the article N3V Games? Or the four times misspelled "it's"? Or your "transistions"? Do you really expect the removal of citation requests to remain? Or your use of Template:Plain link? Other editors have commented on the inappropriate lead sentence; if you insist on re-inserting it, you have to expect that it will be removed again. You ought to know that games titles are italicised on Wikipedia, but they weren't in your version. Further, more than one link to Trainz does not comply with WP:REPEATLINK. Your use of HTML characters is unnecessary and your HTML comments discredit the sources you provide. Lastly, I'm not sure whether you are just a fanboy with a barrel to push or whether there's a more serious conflict of interest in play; vide http://online.ts2009.com/mediaWiki/index.php5/User:Fabartus.
 * And I suspect that rants or  might not yield the desired result. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 07:46, 14 July 2013 (UTC)

A German question
Hi Michael, if you get a chance, could you take a look at my question on Talk:Cyberiada (opera). Best, Voceditenore (talk) 16:16, 17 July 2013 (UTC)

Your theatre
The opera on the Main page was also performed in Musiktheater im Revier, - thought of you when I write that, and Schalke 04 ;) - Did you see that I was given an opera house? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:19, 22 July 2013 (UTC)

WP:OPENPARA
Too lazy to start a new thread: the place of birth. I learned that - different from the German WP - place of birth doesn't belong to date of birth, not in the lead at all. You restored it there, I would be interested in how I can justify next time, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:11, 23 July 2013 (UTC)
 * (I created a new section.) Some editors go around and narrowly and lazily apply WP:OPENPARA by removing the place of birth from the opening paragraph without then integrating it properly somewhere else in the article; that at Irmin Schmidt and that's why I put it back, admittedly somewhat pointedly. That guideline doesn't work for every biography, especially not for short ones; it was subject to considerable debate and opposition not so long agao at Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Biographies/2013 archive. Oh – the presence of the place of birth in an infobox is of course no excuse at all not to mention it in the article itself. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 09:06, 23 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks for diligence and reply. I typically add it (once a day, it seems) as "Born in Soandso, xyz studied", and add a line "He died in Hometown." - which makes especially the latter place hard to find, a good excuse to have a structured infobox, if you need one. (Bzzt, I didn't mention your name but was asked to tell the story of Don Carlos. I suggested to leave an infobox in an article for a certain period - 3 days, a week - to be discussed and improved, because in a fast succession of reverts, who knows what the other saw when he commented. - The article was improved yesterday!) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:00, 23 July 2013 (UTC)

Mega-Templates - Mozart & Beethoven
Based on a recent suggestion by Gerda Arendt for a "collapsible" type of mega-template for Mozart in a recent Mozart Template Discussion, I created a "Collapsible Version" Mozart Mega-Template - and a similar "Collapsible Version" Beethoven Mega-Template - if interested, and if possible, your comments, objections and related on the talk pages about the newly created templates would be appreciated - thanks in any regards - and - Enjoy! :) Drbogdan (talk) 12:22, 25 July 2013 (UTC)

Otto Hermann Kahn and the Farquhar Syndicate
Before reverting to an error you should have researched the history. Percival Farquhar was an American whose career was in South America.RichardBond (talk) 23:36, 30 July 2013 (UTC)
 * I did not "revert to an error" in at Otto Hermann Kahn, I merely removed your additional description of the Pearson-Farquhar railroads, added without any edit summary, as "South American". I did this, as I wrote in my edit summary, because the cited source did not mention South America. Had the name Pearson-Farquhar in that sentence been linked to Percival Farquhar, it might have lead me to accept your change, but it still isn't (nor does that article mention Pearson nor is it linked to Kahn). So, on what basis should I have accepted a South American connection when nothing in Kahn's biography and in the cited source mentions it, and the name of the other involved party is not linked and the name Pearson is nowhere in all of Wikipedia linked with Percival Farquhar? So, in response to your admonishment: When you insert a new assertion into a Wikipedia article, ensure it's supported by sources, in short, WP:V. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 03:07, 31 July 2013 (UTC)

Redundant
I would like to know why you bother to revert the one template line at the end of an article for works of Suppé. The discussion on the opera talk, Duplication of information wanted, permits to have both navboxes, at least as I understand it. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:19, 1 August 2013 (UTC)
 * 1) My edits to Boccaccio (operetta), Leichte Kavallerie and Die schöne Galathée were more than only reverts of the addition of a template. 2) The discussion you mention had very limited participation: you and Robert Allen; no change in WikiProject Opera/Article guidelines or WikiProject Opera/Article styles and formats can be based on it. 3) None of the navboxes dicussed there (Richard Wagner, Benjamin Britten, Sergei Prokofiev, Giuseppe Verdi [although that one comes close]) was anywhere near as identical to the existing navbox as Franz von Suppé is to Suppé operas. That's why I removed that navigation box from those 3 articles. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 11:22, 1 August 2013 (UTC)
 * In the discussion I asked: "can we take it from there?", and there was no objection, - so why not have two? I understand that a footer navbox should be present in all articles it links to. Suppé's and Verdi's can grow. The Verdi footers were added in March, not by me, - it seemed no problem. Verdi is now missing in most of his operas, I think that is wrong and said so in the discussion, but I was stopped reverting it. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:48, 1 August 2013 (UTC)
 * There was no objection because: 1) no-one else participated in that thread; 2) the navboxes mentioned there were sufficiently different from the pure opera navboxes – unlike the 2 Suppé boxes. It doesn't make any sense and doesn't improve an article if it contains a footer navbox which duplicates an already present navbox. I'm fully aware of the genesis and history of the Verdi works navbox, and it still raises my temperature, and not in a good way. And don't be silly: Verdi is not missing from any of the articles on his operas. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 12:57, 1 August 2013 (UTC)
 * I don't want to raise your temperature and was not aware that Giuseppe Verdi did that, sorry, also for the sloppy language: I miss the template, not the composer in most of his operas. I still think that one collapsed line does no harm, but will not bother you longer ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:08, 1 August 2013 (UTC)

FWIW
I think one of the Byzantine mysteries has just become slightly less mysterious. Folantin (talk) 08:48, 3 August 2013 (UTC)

Dispute resolution
1.i have added the ongoing issues over the David Grann page to the wikipedia Dispute_resolution_noticeboard here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Dispute_resolution_noticeboard#David_Grann — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wjcohen (talk • contribs) 15:55, 6 August 2013 (UTC)

2. I have been told to resolve this edit dispute directly with you and have done so here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Wjcohen#David_Grann Look forward to your reply. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wjcohen (talk • contribs) 19:55, 6 August 2013 (UTC)
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A case for you? Talk:Der Stein der Weisen --Gerda Arendt (talk) 05:49, 9 August 2013 (UTC)

Nusrat Fateh Ali Khan Recent Edits
Hi Michel, you are kindly requested to research the article and the personality before editing their article.. please refer to the talk page of NFAK before making any more edits. NFAK is considered one of the greatest singers from Asia (Both by Pakistani & Indian Public & Music Experts worldwide). Calling him great is a usual thing (Let It be TIME magazine, NPR, or Current Musicians or anyone who knows and understands his music) and very neutral (what's not neutral is tags given to him such as "Voice From Heaven", "Singing Bouddha" ... "Prophet of Music".. such things were already removed from his wiki page)... Your dedication to Wikipedia is appreciated, but this is very saddening  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.78.172.162 (talk) 11:49, 20 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Please add your comments at the bottom of the page and sign them; for details see Talk page guidelines. As to my edits at Nusrat Fateh Ali Khan: there are no sources confirming the hyperbolic statements I removed; several other editors agree with my position and as a result of your failure to understand Wikipedia's policy of writing with a neutral point of view, you have now been blocked. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 12:52, 20 August 2013 (UTC)

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 * ], respectively the lowest and highest common instruments of their families) or to musical role alto recorder and alto clarinet.

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 * into the Church, including Karl Wilhelm Friedrich Schlegel and Dorothea von Schlegel she was the daughter of the philosopher Moses Mendelssohn; Friedrich August von Klinkowström

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 * Hand'' (Vol. II, pp. 76–78). (J. G. Cotta'sche Buchhandlung, Stuttgart and Tübingen 1827).

An inconclusive discussion is no reason to remove reliable sources without replacing them
Fair enough, everyone is entitled to their own opinions; I happen to disagree with that one. I regard this and the coincidence of this and this LinkdIn page as excellent reasons for removing that spam. In hundreds of cases Lei introduced marginal or completely irrelevant material in order to justify the spam link. If you'd like to contribute to that discussion in any way I'd appreciate it; no-one else has much. Regards, Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 10:28, 24 August 2013 (UTC)
 * You justified of some citations in the article on Gerhard Richter with the discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Spam. In fact, there was no discussion, just your postings, which made me question your edit, because you were simply referring to your own position. I've since read your next thread on that page and learned that there is never much discussion going on. Still, I did review the links that you had removed: they didn't strike me as unseemly and they confirmed the facts for which they were cited. A conflict of interest does not prohibit the inclusion of useful material. You have since edited the article further and successfully replaced the contentious web site with others. That was exactly what my edit summary, which you quote in this thread's title, tried to convey. All the best, -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 11:48, 24 August 2013 (UTC)
 * That's what I'd understood, and no problem. I don't have any criticism of the source per se, though pretty much all it does is rehash stuff that's already been posted elsewhere in more reliable sources, which can usually be found in moments. I have a very strong objection to the way the links were added. If I'm to remove 900 of them manually, which seems to be the only way of doing it, you'll perhaps forgive me for not taking the time (in most cases) to replace them with better ones. Best regards,

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Hamilton, Queensland
Hi, Michael! Those heritage-listing redlinks aren't as "unlikely" as you might think. The reason I've been creating these lists in town/suburb articles with all those redlinks is because I am in negotiations to get the Qld Heritage Register released under CC-license so we can use it to create articles for the heritage-listed sites. Negotiations are a slow process (governments don't move quickly!) but all the indications are positive so far. I am hopeful those redlinks will start to go blue in a month or so. Kerry (talk) 21:39, 8 September 2013 (UTC)
 * I'm looking forward to those articles. I removed the links because 1) those articles aren't there yet (WP:WTAF); 2) there were no incoming links to those terms. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 08:03, 9 September 2013 (UTC)

Köchel query.
Hello, I was curious if you think it would be beneficial to Wikipedia's Köchel catalogue to cross reference every listed piece with NMA's database? It would involve a lot of tedious back and forth, but it would make the current Köchel listed on Wikipedia more accurate for some pieces. Tell me what you think on this matter. Also, if I were to do this, would it be appropriate to assume all of the NMA's database to be accurate? Thanks. --ZSNES (talk) 02:14, 9 September 2013 (UTC)
 * I'm sure that linking every work in the Köchel catalogue to its score at the Neue Mozart-Ausgabe would be very beneficial; it's an awful lot of work, though. I assume that all articles on Mozart works already have links to the NMA which I consider to be accurate until proven otherwise; I don't think any other source comes close. As for the catalogue: I'm not keen on adding another column to that table because it will then likely exceed the normal screen width of 1280 pixels. Instead, I think those NMA links, using NMA s, should be added to the end of a work's title. It would be appropriate to discuss this at Talk:Köchel catalogue where this matter has been raised before: Talk:Köchel catalogue/Archive 1. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 08:03, 9 September 2013 (UTC)
 * I see, but I did not mean linking to the Neue Mozart-Ausgabe, I mean't going through, manually, and correcting all of the dates, locations, ect. for all of the works currently listed on Wikipedia's Köchel catalogue. I realize that the majority of the dates listed will be correct, but some, if not 49% could be wrong. I am most certainly willing to do this, and link to Neue Mozart-Ausgabe in each works individual article, if said work has one. Just curious on your input, as you seem to have a decent amount of knowledge/experience with these matters. I'll discuss further on the topic in the suggested Talk:Köchel catalogue later. Thanks-- ZSNES (talk) 10:59, 9 September 2013 (UTC)

Hymne à l'amour
just because something is briefly discussed does not mean it meets the critical commentary requirements for usage of non-free media. Werieth (talk) 13:51, 13 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Briefly discussed? You included the Piaf version, the main subject of the article (she wrote the song), in your indiscriminate removal of very short sound samples (20s, 21s, 30s, 17s) at Hymne à l'amour. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 01:44, 14 September 2013 (UTC)

Category:German words and phrases
I don’t actually know what is the exact purpose of this category, but seeing as it does not include any of the common (English!) mathematical terms of German origin such as the various Eigen- compounds or Nullstellensatz, maybe it is intended only for genuinely German phrases that do not function as loanwords in English. Are you sure your edit is correct?—Emil J. 14:16, 13 September 2013 (UTC)
 * My edit you cite at Stengle's Positivstellensatz was triggered by a feeling that the insertion of a colon by the previous anonymous edit in the article's 1st formula didn't look right and I wanted to revert that (I hope you can confirm that I was right). While there, i noticed that the article was once categorised as Category:German loanwords (as was Hilbert's Nullstellensatz). I'm aware of the discussion at Categories for discussion/Log/2013 February 25 but I think its strict observance would lead to the complete depopulation of all categories in Category:Words and phrases by language – almost none of the entries discuss the foreign-language property of the term but what the term signifies. In that spirit, I added Category:German words and phrases to that article. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 01:44, 14 September 2013 (UTC)

Egypt
I guess your restoration of "coup d'etat" for my "ouster of president" is what you referred to as idiomatic. To my mind, since the term coup was entangled in diplomatic and political controversy which could be called hair-splitting, it's better to use a neutral descriptive phrase rather than the "loaded" one which unnecessarily puts the brief dab description on one side of the controversy. I did note this in short in the explanation to my edit. You didn't specifically address my explanation in yours. Second, I originally went to the page and added the alternate spelling for the name because I'd seen it used on a stand-alone basis with I think the two "s"es. I think the dab page works better showing both spellings somehow if it's to be most useful. Swliv (talk) 13:41, 20 September 2013 (UTC)
 * I don't understand your suggested phrase "best known for the 2013 Egyptian ouster of president". Who is the "ouster" and how is the general known for him? The point I was trying to make in the edit summary was that he is known for an event whose Wikipedia article is named 2013 Egyptian coup d'état; that's why I restored that term into his entry at Sissi. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 07:30, 21 September 2013 (UTC)

Revert
I wanted to say thanks for reverting, because it didn't quite work as I was thinking, but also about your edit summary, linking to the brfa: if it is not ready, that means the bot account is not approved to do this on a mass scale, but that doesn't stop me making the edits manually so your summary rational is invalid. Thanks anyway, though.  Rcsprinter  (orate)  @ 14:50, 20 September 2013 (UTC)
 * I meant to type "not ready for prime time", meaning "not ready for deployment"; I didn't mean to refer to the bot's lack of approval. If you make such edits manually, you should also take care to review them, preferrably before saving them. Leaving such an edit uncorrected for 7 days seems careless. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 07:30, 21 September 2013 (UTC)

Joshua Bell's Strad
Hello Michael: Re Joshua Bell's former instrument, the correct spelling is Tom Taylor as you can verify on www.cozio.com, an authoritative reference for stringed instruments. Just search for "Joshua Bell" and click on the ID number 541 on the page the search function gives you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by RMcGuigan (talk • contribs) 18:50, 28 September 2013 (UTC)
 * (Please add you contributions to the bottom of the talk page and sign them with four tildes: ~ ; I recommend reading Help:Using talk pages.) I don't currently have the time or inclination to research the correct naming of Joshua Bell's former Stradivarius, but as long as its article here is named "Tom Tyler Stradivarius", that's what I'm going to call it. I encourage you to research the name a bit more and if more sources agree, to move that article to a different name. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 04:16, 29 September 2013 (UTC)

Les pêcheurs de perles
Hi Michael, I am sorry, but I removed the information once again. If you would like to replace the paragraph, it should carry a citation from a reliable, independent source. This is important for all articles, but especially an FA, and especially one which is the TFA. - SchroCat (talk) 14:24, 30 September 2013 (UTC)
 * These web-pages and  should be acceptable as reliable sources; I tried to add them to the article but my edit resulted in an error message, so I self-reverted it. Maybe you can add these references in the proper way. Regards. 81.83.135.206 (talk) 14:49, 30 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Yes, but "Je Crois Entendre Encore" isn't in the opera's list of musical numbers, and I'm pretty sure it's an improvised title for, "Au fond du temple saint", of which this is one of the repeated lines. If this tidbit is to added at all it should be to the article on the specific piece. It's way too trivial to include in the article about the entire opera, and certainly not in a separate section. Voceditenore (talk) 15:01, 30 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Scratch that, I missed the Nadir aria "À cette voix...Je crois entendre encore". Even so, this is mighty trivial bit of info to add to the article, especially in a separate section when the only coverage of this fact amounts to track listings with no commentary. Voceditenore (talk) 15:13, 30 September 2013 (UTC)
 * If the Gilmour recording had been removed because of its trivial or non-notable character, I wouldn't have blinked. But citing inappropriate sourcing seemed just bizarre. Having to provide sources is not an invariable and absolute requirement; WP:V requires that "all material ... must be verifiable", and that citations must be provided where the "verifiability has been challenged or is likely to be challenged". No-one is going to challenge the verifiability or even the veracity of that statement, so what's the point in removing it? And if you tell me that your very act of removing it constitutes a legitimate challenge, I'm going to scream. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 05:23, 1 October 2013 (UTC)
 * I agree that verifiability is not grounds for removal in a case like this, but I didn't remove it. I assume that you're replying to SchroCat? Best, Voceditenore (talk) 06:09, 1 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Indeed; sorry for not providing diffs which would have made that clear: here we go:
 * Les pêcheurs de perles – the article in question
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 * see WP:BURDEN: "Any material lacking a reliable source directly supporting it may be removed". It was, and I stand by that as being entirely appropriate. I could also have said it was trivial too, and would have been justified on that ground too. - SchroCat (talk) 06:31, 1 October 2013 (UTC)

Your fix of those Wikisource link breakages
Thanks for doing that, Michael. I don't understand the technicalities, or the source of the problem. But the dash script will now need scrutiny for the double curly bracket context, and its author left the project some time ago (a problem, since it's otherwise an excellent and very important script). Tony  (talk)  06:20, 1 October 2013 (UTC)
 * It's simple: Wikisource doesn't use dashes when they have year ranges in their article names, they use hyphens. So hyphens with dashes at Theological Repository broke some links to Wikisource. While the visible dash in the English Wikipedia article could probably be achieved with an elaborate pipe, the obvious simple solution is to create the necessary REDIRECTs at Wikisource from a dashed to a hyphenated title. That's what I did for those three articles affected by your edit. Whether it's possible to teach the dash script not to meddle with Wikisource matters or whether REDIRECTs there are a more pleasing solution, I'll leave to you. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 12:06, 1 October 2013 (UTC)

Beethoven's liver
Hello, Michael Bednarek. You recently removed a PROD tag that I had placed on Beethoven's liver. That's entirely appropriate; in fact, I had mentioned to the article's creator that he should remove the PROD if the page was intended sincerely and not created solely to make a point. I did want to ask, though, about your edit summary. You wrote, "PROD without a WP:CSD declined". Does this mean that you think an article should be nominated and declined for speedy deletion before it is prodded? Alternately, does it mean that you think proposed deletions should cite criteria for speedy deletion? Neither of those presuppositions matches with my understanding of Deletion policy. Perhaps I have misunderstood and you had some third thing in mind? —Cnilep (talk) 06:38, 1 October 2013 (UTC)
 * The latter; I thought at the time that proposed deletions (PROD) have to provide a WP:CSD. I now realise that's not case. However, a PROD has to provide a WP:DEL, no? And your reason, WP:POINT is not among them, either. All the best, Michael Bednarek (talk) 06:59, 1 October 2013 (UTC)
 * I see. Unlike speedy deletions, proposed deletions usually don't cite a reason by number, and that reason #14, "Any other content not suitable", covers a range of sins. PROD can be used if, for any reason, an editor thinks that deletion will be appropriate and uncontroversial. The flip side of that is that if, for any reason, another editor doesn't want the page deleted or thinks deletion might be controversial, then PROD is not appropriate and should be removed. Thanks for explaining your rationale, and happy editing. Cnilep (talk) 07:27, 1 October 2013 (UTC)

October 2013
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 * Hoffmann at Oberlin; Patricia Carpenter at Columbia; and Leon Kirchner and Earl Kim at Harvard . Musicians associated with Schoenberg have had a profound influence upon contemporary music