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Presidents of Colombia
Thank you for your message on my talk page. I responded there. I have a quick question about the spelling of the name of president Domingo Caicedo, which in Wikipedia is Domingo Caycedo. Ignacio Arismendi Posada, in his book Gobernantes Colombianos, Interprint Editors Ltd., Italgraf, Segunda Edición, Bogotá, Colombia, 1983, spells his name as Caicedo. How can I resolve this situation? Please respond in my talk page. Thanks, --Grancafé (talk) 20:00, 15 February 2010 (UTC)


 * I did a Google Colombia search and a Spanish Wikipedia search, and in both sites he is referred as to Domingo Caicedo y Santa María. Palease see http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Domingo_Caicedo_y_Santa_Mar%C3%ADa. Do you think it might be advisable to correct the English version? Please advice. Thanks, --Grancafé (talk) 21:48, 15 February 2010 (UTC)


 * Would you be willing to replace or ad Caicedo's image from the Spanish site to the English site? --Grancafé (talk) 21:52, 15 February 2010 (UTC)


 * There is also a discrepancy regarding the place of president Caicedo’s death. How does one resolve this conflicting matter? Thanks, --Grancafé (talk) 21:35, 15 February 2010 (UTC)


 * I do need serious help on learning how to cite the same reference in the same page. Kindly please advice. Thanks, --Grancafé (talk) 21:40, 15 February 2010 (UTC)


 * Thank you for adding the image of Guillermo León Valencia to his page. --Grancafé (talk) 22:06, 15 February 2010 (UTC)


 * Would you also be willing to replace the image of Pedro Nel Ospina? Such as the one from lablaa at http://www.lablaa.org/blaavirtual/biografias/ospipedr.htm? The current one is hideous. Thanks, --Grancafé (talk) 23:23, 15 February 2010 (UTC)


 * Well like I said, try reading Citing sources to get an understanding on how to cite sources, when and how, its helpful. I also recommend you read over Manual of Style (biographies) it is helpful specially on helping you create better opening paragraphs which is a key thing to master, and also read Layout for how to organize the layout of you article it is helpful and I learned a lot from it.


 * On the issue of Caycedo/Caicedo the issue is one very common on olden names, Isabella I of Castile solves this issue by addressing the different names in the different languages of her kingdom, for Caycedo I think we should leave it as it is with the y because the website of the presidency has his name "Caycedo" and so does the lablaa. We can address this by making a reference after the initial introduction of the name in the introductory paragraph: . For the discrepancy on the place of death simply go with the highest source you can find (like the Colombian Academy of History, see Policarpa Salavarrieta to see how the discrepancies on her name and place of birth/death were addressed).


 * On the issue of images, it drives me f-ing crazy the lack of good images on the presidents of all people, and how Colombia unlike the US, or Brazilian governments do not release some of their work to the public domain, so be very careful on using images unless you know for a fact that the artist who made the painting or took the photograph has died over 75 years ago (Colombian law is weird like that). I will try to look for a better picture for Pedro Nel Ospina, even though it is always going to be difficult to look for. mijotoba (talk) 02:30, 16 February 2010 (UTC)


 * Thanks for your response. Do you think I need to go back to all my edits on Caicedo to change them to Caycedo, or would an explanation at the top do the trick? Could you do that? Thanks, --Grancafé (talk) 02:42, 16 February 2010 (UTC)
 * If the name of the article has the Caycedo, then all the subsequent mentions of the name should be Caycedo to maintain cohesion. mijotoba (talk) 02:48, 16 February 2010 (UTC)


 * The painting in the lablaa article of Pedro Neil Ospina cannot be used, it was painted by Rafael Salas Yepes in 1983 so it cannot be used for a good while, and even if we could upload it under fair use the resolution is terrible and the image would look 10 times worse than the actual image, so for now we have to content ourselves with that one. mijotoba (talk) 15:50, 16 February 2010 (UTC)


 * Hola Mijo, I have been working on improving, correcting and adding references to various Presidents of Colombia. Lately, I have been working on the page of the President of Colombia. I think it would be a very good idea to insert the chart called “Heads of State of Colombia”, which appears at the bottom page of most of the Presidents. If you think this would be a good idea, could you do it? I have NO clue how this would be done. Give me your thoughts. Thank you, --Grancafé (talk) 21:17, 17 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Do you mean, a chart of the Presidents of Colombia? We have one List of Presidents of Colombia, I'm not quite sure if that's what you mean, it does need help fixing it up. Was that what you meant or was it something else, send me a link to a page that has something like it.mijotoba (talk) 22:52, 17 February 2010 (UTC)


 * Please go to the page of Rafael Reyes and scroll all the way down. At the bottom of the page you will find a very comprehensive chart called “Heads of State of Colombia”. This is what I am talking about. I think it is very well done, very clear and very helpful chaart, and I think this exact same chart should be placed on the page of President of Colombia. Please check it out and give me your opinion. I think it is a very good idea, but I DO NOT know how to do it. Please comment. Thanks, --Grancafé (talk) 23:20, 17 February 2010 (UTC)


 * Ohh that one, that one is simple, just add the template   to the bottom of every page just before the interwiki links to the other languages and the categories. I already added it to the President's page, I however cannot make it expand the way it is in the Reyes's page, I think it was created without the parameter to expand and therefore only expand if the article is short enough.mijotoba (talk) 23:33, 17 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Awesome! It looks great. I think it's a good idea. I hope we could find the expanded one. Thanks a lot, --Grancafé (talk) 00:03, 18 February 2010 (UTC)

Carlos Holguín Mallarino
Why is Carlos Holguín Mallarino not included in the chart of "Heads of state of Colombia" at the bottom of the page? --Grancafé (talk) 21:39, 24 February 2010 (UTC)


 * No idea why since I din't create the template, but I just fixed it.mijotoba (talk) 01:23, 25 February 2010 (UTC)


 * Awesome! It looks great. Like it should! Thanks, --Grancafé (talk) 02:54, 25 February 2010 (UTC)

Template problem
I've suggested a fix for the problem you mentioned at Template talk:Infobox officeholder. --Philosopher Let us reason together. 20:22, 16 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Great! thanks, it works. mijotoba (talk) 21:27, 16 February 2010 (UTC)

Colegio San Bartolomé
I have been working on the article on Colegio San Bartolomé la Merced, an orphan and a stub without references or links. In doing some research in lablaa.org and Google Colombia, I am now under the impression that there might be confusion here. It appears to be that there might be two different schools: 1) Colegio Mayor de San Bartolomé (http://www.sanbartolome.edu.co/inicio.html) and, 2) Colegio San Bartolomé La Merced (http://www.sanbartolo.edu.co/es/). In the Wiki article it seems that both are one and the same, but there is no conclusive evidence as to this fact or misunderstanding. Would you be able to help me sort this out? If they are different, they must be separated. If they are the same, it needs a lot of cleaning. And if the case is that they are different, a new page is going to be needed for either one and I am going to request your help and assistance in creating it. Please advice. Thanks, --Grancafé (talk) 12:40, 20 February 2010 (UTC)


 * Hi Grancafé, sorry I didn't respond to this, when I last saw that I had a new message it redirected me to the message below this one, so I didn't even see this one. Indeed, San Bartolomé is one of the great educational institutions of Colombia, Colegio San Bartolomé la Merced, however, is not this institution, the address that the article makes reference to is "Kr.5 No. 34-00" (which should be "Cr"...shouldn't?) and the address for the historical institution is "Carrera 7a número 9-96" according to their website. SB La Merced is a campus of the Colegio Mayor de San Bartolomé. La Merced has a historical and administrative conection to the Colegio Mayor, but it has a different history as it appears in its website . Before a new article is created on the Mayor, this article should be fixed, the infobox completed accordingly and the history addressed as to make it pertinent to its subject and avoid any confusion with the other institution. The template   should also be added to redirect users to the correct article. I can help you on either, but right now I am working on two articles and will get to it eventually, don't worry about having a red link on an article, it might drive you crazy if you worry too much about red links, if you talk about the institution just link it as Colegio Mayor de San Bartolomé and we'll work on it later.mijotoba (talk) 23:28, 23 February 2010 (UTC)


 * Awesome! We will work on separating these two institutions. I will have to wait until you are ready because I have no idean on how to place templates, tags and gimics. I will try to clean the one on Colegio San Bartolomé la Merced in the mean time. I think this is a worthy and necesary job. --Grancafé (talk) 02:45, 24 February 2010 (UTC)

Colegios de San Bartolomé
I just found a very interesting website, through Google Colombia, Wikipedia ES, "Colegios de San Bartolomé". This is a very helpful website. For a fact, there are two different and distinctive schools: Colegios de San Bartolomé la Merced and Colegios Mayor de San Bartolomé. They need to be separated within the English version on Colegio San Bartolomé la Merced, as they are mingled and entangled. This is going to require a lot of time and work. One is the oldest school in Colombia and the other is a modern one.

MY QUESTION: Can I use the Spanish version as a source, to copy and translate the article and use the same references being used in ? This would make the job much easier. Please advice. Thanks, --Grancafé (talk) 21:20, 24 February 2010 (UTC)


 * Yes you can use the Spanish version as a source, but cannot quote it directly, you can use the references used to re-source the article. But keep in mind the following:


 * Copying within Wikipedia
 * Translation
 * Template:Citation (make sure you are citing in the correct format template to adequately attribute the sourced content and make it a habit of using this template and its derivatives to source in the future)

Citations and References
I don't understand the meaning of Template:Citation. I think I have been using a {reference} template to reference the articles. What is the difference between a citation and a reference? I have worked on at least 30 or 40 articles by now, trying to rehabilitate, restore and reference. I have used at least 10 to 15 references per article. That is a total of about 600 entries. It would be a terrible thing if all this work is not correctly done. Are they all wrong? Am I doing the referencing wrong? I really need your advice here, before I go any further. I honestly believed I was referencing every article correctly. I am doing exactly what my mentors taught me to do. Please clarify this matter at your earliest convenience. Thanks, --Grancafé (talk) 03:20, 25 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Yes and no. The reference template that you refer to is only to add the annotations at the bottom of the page in the "Reference" section; the annotation in it of themselves have to be in a citation template for what you like to call "aesthetics" and to keep with proper citation guidelines. If you ever took an College English class you might be familiar with different style guides like MLA, APA, Chicago or Turabian, Wikipedia's citation templates allows you to properly cite sources accordingly, so for example if you are citing a book you should include the Template:Cite book and use as many of the parameters as possible, or if you cite a newspaper you should use Template:Cite journal, or a vide Template:Cite video and so on. So for example if I were to cite the Ospina Coffee website I would use the following template:

Colombia has 1,048 municipalities. I of course just made up your name and the date it was published since I have no idea when it was published, but for example you used a citation in the Ospina Coffee Company "Gobernantes Colombianos, Interprint, Ignacio Arismendi Posada, Page 176, Bogotá, Colombia, 1983" sure it has the information, is just presented the wrong way, it should be that is of course using only the information that you put up there, but the ISBN or the OCLC numbers are very useful, as well as things like chapter, links, or translations of sections etc. This makes references easier to read and more accessible for readers as well as uniform. See Citing sources for more information.


 * Thank you for the information. It does not look easy. It is going to take some time to digest. --Grancafé (talk) 00:02, 26 February 2010 (UTC)


 * I got the first part, which is to use. What do I do if I need to use this same reference several times in the same article, like I have had to do so many times? Thanks,--Grancafé (talk) 00:28, 26 February 2010 (UTC)


 * Simple, you just name the reference, so for example, the first time you use it you would or you could also use the citation template . THEN next time you want to use that same citation you use and thats it no need to include a closing because that already is included in the second one as that includes a "/". hope that helps.


 * Thank you very much for your further explanation. As you may have noticed, I am a perfectionists and I like things not just correct and precise, but looking nice (aesthetics or esthetics). I will keep trying until I get it right. --Grancafé (talk) 16:38, 26 February 2010 (UTC)

Carlos E. Restrepo
Hello again. I also started working on the article on Carlos Eugenio Restrepo and I noticed that you have also worked on it substantially. This is perhaps one of the best articles on the Presidents of Colombia. I have also noticed that Mr. Restrepo is referred as Carlos Restrepo in several paragraphs. I am wondering if it would be OK to add the letter (E.) of his middle name, as he is best known as Carlos E. Restrepo. In the article he is referred sometimes as Restrepo, others as Carlos Restrepo and a few times as Carlos E. Restrepo. I think it would look much better, as a matter of aesthetics, if we could homogenize his name throughout the article. What do you think? Please advice. Thanks, --Grancafé (talk) 14:27, 20 February 2010 (UTC)


 * This is one of those times that my bad work catches up to me. I did use "Carlos Restrepo" after the subsequent mention of his name, back then however, I was debating on how to properly address him in the rest of the article because I was not aware of the Wikipedia Policy on Biographies' Naming. The article should be edited for sure, but only to take out the Carlos in the rest of the article and only leave Restrepo, this way avoiding the issue of middle initial. Like I told you before, Wikipedia editing is an ongoing evolving practice, everytime I edit an article I find a new way to do something I left out in other articles. mijotoba (talk) 15:26, 20 February 2010 (UTC)


 * Thanks for your comment and advise. I will go back to Carlos E. Restrepo’s page and clean it up as much as I can. Any comments, suggestions or ideas on El Colegio San Bartolomé? See post above. Thanks,--Grancafé (talk) 23:12, 21 February 2010 (UTC)


 * I went back to Restrepo's page and did a pretty good cleanup. --Grancafé (talk) 23:40, 21 February 2010 (UTC)

A Good Question
Here is a good question. Since it is most proper and customary in Colombia to use both last names, paternal and maternal, (you might know that usually people with a single last name are those illegitimate or born out of wedlock, most of the time when the father is unknown), would it be appropriate, for the biography of Colombian nationals, to use both of their last names? What do you think? Sometimes it might get very confusing, especially when there are other people in the same article with the same first last name. Your thoughts please. Thanks, --Grancafé (talk) 23:39, 21 February 2010 (UTC)


 * Yes it is a good question and one I have asked myself and have gone both ways before. At first I did do that, I used both last names on all of the articles I edited, after I had fought hard for the MVA, my HS and College to include both my last names in my documents why should I not pay the same respect to them. I however had a change of heart after becoming more familiar on how Wikipedia works, see Wikipedia has different universes, we are currently in the www.en.wikipedia.com universe, here, we speak Her Majesty's English, the Commonwealth adaptations or "American", and as far as all of them are concerned, people have just one last name and women have their husbands last name, so if we wish to inform english-speaking people about a Colombian person we have to use one last name only throught the article (minus the former introduction). I draw this belief from the Use english standart, specially the part that says "In deciding whether and how to translate a foreign name into English, follow English-language usage." So for example, if you watch the BBC, ABC or CBC they refer to our President as President Uribe, not President Uribe Velez, and in fact it is seldom the case that Caracol or RCN refer to him with both last names, so it should be the case for Wikipedia in English, and only use one last name.


 * To properly address the situation, a template has been created , it will direct users to the section on names that talks about how Colombian's et al formally use last names and it makes the distinction of which are the last names as well. If you insist on using both last names it will just confuse people, I know cause I live with that reality every time someone asks my name, so keep that in mind. mijotoba (talk) 00:30, 24 February 2010 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the last names 101 class. I will keep it in mind (although it is frustrating). Very eloquent, thoug! --Grancafé (talk) 02:38, 24 February 2010 (UTC)


 * lol, Eloquent? aww shucks I tries, but I found it a little ironic that on the Ospina Coffee website they stop using both last names after a while, Mariano Ospina, V? VI??? that is not Colombian, specially when they are talking about a Colombian person, or has the latest generation abandoned Colombian culture? and although possible in some scenarios, it should be "Mariano Ospina Perez, II", regardless my point is that just as Vs and VIs may have replaced the second last name in your names, it is just a way to adapt to the audience.


 * I appreciate that you have been reading further on Ospina Coffee Company. And I also appreciate your analysis and comments. As you well know, in Colombia we don’t use Senior (Sr.) and/or Junior (Jr.), or I, II or III, etc. I guess you are corrects in assuming that it is an adaptation, but not to the audience, but rather to Her Majesty's English, in keeping the protocol and style of dynasties. By the way, have you read the article on “The King of Coffee in Exile” ? It is right on point to your analysis. Take a look and take care, --Grancafé (talk) 15:37, 24 February 2010 (UTC)

Adding an image of Manuel Antonio Sanclemente
Would you be able to ad an image of Manuel Antonio Sanclemente to his page? I have no idea how to do such a task. This article needs substantial help. Thanks, --Grancafé (talk) 04:52, 22 February 2010 (UTC)


 * Well unfortunately, Sanclemente was either shy or ugly cause there are no photos of him online :( so we are stuck with this option. I could upload the pic on Flickr by the Banco de la Republica, but see for youself the conditions is in. Unfortunatelly, I haven't been able to find a good pic of him, nor an image of his presidential portrait, given the options I left the article with no image but if you want I could upload the flickr pic. mijotoba (talk) 00:01, 24 February 2010 (UTC)


 * Although I agree that the image is not quite good, I think it is better to have one than not to have it. In Colombia we say: "Algo es algo, pior es nada"! I hope you agree. Thus, please go ahead and place it. Thanks, --Grancafé (talk) 02:50, 24 February 2010 (UTC)


 * I saw his image uploaded in his page. Not a great one, but is better than none. THANKS! --Grancafé (talk) 15:18, 24 February 2010 (UTC)


 * In fact and in hindsight, it looks most appropriate, as he was very old and very sick when he was President. --Grancafé (talk) 15:51, 24 February 2010 (UTC)

WikiProject Colombia
Hola Mijotoba. I just saw the tag you placed on the Ospina Coffee talk page on the WikiProject Colombia. Thank you so much. This should be very helpful. I am sorry I did not get back with you on this matter, as I have been very distracted with unproductive issues. Now that I think (and hope) that these issues have been overcome and resolved, I may get back to productive work. I am looking forward to working with you on several Colombian projects. Thanks again, I truly appreciate your help. --Grancafé (talk) 17:00, 23 February 2010 (UTC)

PS. You haven’t commented on my questions regarding El Colegio San Bartolomé (as you well know, a very important institution in Colombia’s History), the use of two last names for Colombian nationals and the image for President Manuel Antonio Sanclemente. I am looking forward to your comments and suggestions. Thanks, --Grancafé (talk) 17:00, 23 February 2010 (UTC)


 * I just answered your questions above, hope it helps, and yes the WP Colombia talk template is a way of keeping Colombia related articles within our scope, even if we lack a team to properly check them, I hope one day we do though.

The National Federation of Coffee Growers of Colombia
I posted the notice below on my user talk page and I thought that this matter might be of interest to you as well, as the National Federation of Coffee Growers of Colombia is an essential, substantial and most relevant institution in Colombia. Doc Quintana and Jeremy have already responded to my inquiry. Thus, this is just FYI. Best, --Grancafé (talk) 20:23, 27 February 2010 (UTC)


 * Hi mentor editors, I just noticed that the article on the National Federation of Coffee Growers of Colombia was arbitrary modified on February 20, 2010, at 16:00 by an editor VickyMa, deleting all my contributions with total disregard and without any comment, justification or reason; in my opinion, with total contempt. What should I do here to have my contributions inserted back into the article? I don’t want to do so just on my own initiative in order to avoid any argument or confrontation. Should I ask for comment RFC? Or what do you suggest I do? Please advice. Thanks, --Grancafé (talk) 17:51, 27 February 2010 (UTC)


 * Well I actually saw that and took a look at it myself, I didn't see the history of what he changed, but in a case as this, this is what I would do, and mind you I'm no administrator so I like you have very little power over these matters, I would ask the person why did he/she do that and work on what they thought was wrong, if no response in two days I would go ahead and make changes again and wait. Sometimes people forget to give a reason for their changes, which is ok, and sometimes is nothing more than a simple mistake. I did see the article and I saw some problems with it which I am working right now on fixing so I will edit the article soon anyways. mijotoba (talk) 20:49, 27 February 2010 (UTC)


 * I saw the substantial work and improvement that you did to the article on the National Federation of Coffee Growers of Colombia. Thank you very much; I truly appreciate your fine job. I noticed that under the section of History of the Federation, in the first paragraph you inserted a question as to who is Professor Frank Safford. He is Frank R. Safford, PhD Columbia 1965; you can find more info at . Please incorporate this information as you may deem appropriate. I also noted the question (quantity) on paragraph two, same section, as to how many farmers were there in 1920? Andrés Uribe C. in his book “Brown Gold, the amazing story of coffee” only mentions “the tens of thousands of small growers did more to develop the industry than any other group of producers”. I guess we can only find that exact figure in the archives of the Federation.
 * Once again, thanks for your cooperation and fine work. --Grancafé (talk) 15:42, 28 February 2010 (UTC)


 * Well that is the hard part about editing, we have to be factual and clear, when someone says "tens of thousands" without any actual count is not professional or factual, how many is "tens of thousands"? how is that compared to the rest of the population? did it include farm families or just male farmers? who made the count? is there are a record, and like you said, only (and that is maybe) the federation has records and without direct knowledge of that we cannot say tens of thousands. Given this inconsistency the line should read "By 1920 many farmers were developing the industry by planting, processing, and selling their product with no help from the government" this way avoids mentioning any vague quantities, and it also avoids that part of "had done more to develop the industry than any other group" I mean, they just "planted, processed and sold" coffee, what else would a coffee farmer do but plant, process and sell coffee? and how can you compare what one group does with what another group does, glorying farmers does not serve the article, let's leave that in the Federation's website, in an encyclopaedic article just the facts are presented, and besides, this article talks about the federation not coffee industry in Colombia as a whole since not all farmers belonged to the federation and most were not actively looking to develop such industry but merely farming.


 * On the who question is tricky, encyclopaedic articles don't usually quote people but merely present information, that is more commonplace in newspapers and textbooks. The way it was presented in the article clearly left out who he was, and even then its not clear who he is or what authority he has. The link you added next to his name is not appropriate in the article either, sure you are showing who he is, but that link should be in his article not on this one, what I would do is take out his name completely: "During the XIX Century an economic transformation took place in Colombia, going..." First of all, this will make it more like an article and less as a quote, and second there is no need to have his name, you have referenced that statement properly and if people click on that reference they will see who said, where, and when "Safford, Frank R.; Commerce and Enterprise in Central Colombia ..."


 * I will leave this up to you if you want to change it. Also keep an eye on the way you present foreign terms, I had fixed this in the history part but now that you added more you might want to do it, for example, "“Gerentes” (general managers)" there is no need to use the Spanish term, gerente means manager, it confuses people when you translate terms like these when there is no need, additionally you present the term in English first and then may present it in parenthesis in Spanish, for example if you go to the article Greece it will start "Greece /ˈɡriːs/ (help·info) (Greek: Ελλάδα...) ... officially the Hellenic Republic (Ελληνική Δημοκρατία...) not the other way around. Other unnecessary uses of spanish include "Don Arturo Gómez, during his 18 years tenure as “Gerente de la Federación”" why present the title in Spanish? Bob in Wisconsin does not know what gerente is, and given that he is from Wisconsin he might just think that means lawnmower, so please, Use English! (Use English, Wikipedia:Foreign terms) And since I used that quote, do not use the term Don, its an honorific and its not official, if you use Don on him you have to use it on everyone and besides, every old person gets respectufully called Don so just avoid using that term in all articles, this is what the other editors are talking about when they say try to present a neutral point of view and unbiased, Don is a peacock term (Avoid peacock terms) and thats bad. And also try to correct your grammar in the spanish terms, "mercanmte" and "cafetereo" are wrong, And if you link them once, don't link them again, this is for both of those and for Mariano Ospina Perez. mijotoba (talk) 04:47, 1 March 2010 (UTC)


 * Thank you very much for ALL your comments, suggestions, instructions, observations and recommendations. I truly appreciate your help, guidance and support. It takes some time to become an expert editor. I have been doing this for just over two months, and I have a lot to learn yet. But with your valuable help and from other kind editors, I will learn fast; I am a fast learner. As to using the English term before the Spanish, that makes sense. Regarding the reference to Professor Frank Safford, I will try to fix it. I usually quote verbatim from the source. Regarding the term “Don”, I disagree with you; it is not a peacock, it is a title of respect, such as Lord in English. Please see Lord Byron, Lord George Gordon Byron. But if it creates problem, I have no problem in avoiding its use. And last, regarding my grammar and spelling mistakes, I know it is a problem. Although I first write in “ms word” and then use a spell check, sometimes these sneak in. I try very hard to be correct and perfect, as I am a perfectionist to the core. I usually have to go back to the article and make corrections once I proofread on the final version. I wish Wikipedia had the auto-correct built-in like “ms word”. Please be patient and understanding, and don’t hesitate to lead me in the right direction. I truly appreciate your admonition. Best, --Grancafé (talk) 17:48, 1 March 2010 (UTC)


 * No problem, I'm glad to help and I'm glad that you want to be helped. On the term Don I insist on it being a peacock term, the example you give proves my point, Lord Byron was not called Lord just out of respect, he was Lord because he is the 6th Baron Byron, in British Peerage Barons hold the title Lord, and in British law is illegal to use the honorific Lord unless you have a rightful claim to royal peerage, so you see as where Lord is a peacock term it is a legal peacock term, he earned it so to speak, just as Dr., Don on the other hand is not and that's what makes it a peacock term because anyone can have it, but adding it adds a false sense of grandeur. mijotoba (talk) 17:59, 1 March 2010 (UTC)


 * I did "all" the changes, improvements and corrections you suggested. Take a look at it. Thanks again. --Grancafé (talk) 22:00, 1 March 2010 (UTC)

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List of Presidents of Colombia
I just added the first 20, from Simón Bolívar to Julián Trujillo. I will add the rest from 30 to Alvaro Uribe. -- Grancafé  * parley 22:20, 12 March 2010 (UTC)

PS. I could try to contact the Academia de Historia de Colombia and obtain their official list. Interested? -- Grancafé  * parley 22:33, 12 March 2010 (UTC)


 * Be my guest! that would be great! mijotoba (talk) 22:36, 12 March 2010 (UTC)


 * I just posted the list from Simón Bolívar to Belisario Betancur Cuartas. Next week I will try to contact the Academia de Historia de Colombia and try to obtain their official list. -- Grancafé  * parley 23:03, 12 March 2010 (UTC)

WikiProject Colombia
Hola Miguel, thank you very much for your kind invitation to collaborate in the WikiProject Colombia. It will be my pleasure to contribute and help. If there is anything in particular that you would like me to do, please let me know. I am already in the process of obtaining the official list of Presidents from the Academia Colombiana de Historia. -- Grancafé  * parley 00:41, 13 March 2010 (UTC)

Nomenclature and numerical order
This is looking pretty good. I would like to suggest that for the three columns on the left, where [# de facto], [# de jure] and [# Uniuqe], a foot note or link needs to be added to explain and clarify what is the criteria to establish this particular order. The way it is right now, it is impossible to determine why are they in such an order. A foot note should explain the rationale, guidelines and criteria to determine such placement or order. -- Grancafé  * parley 01:23, 17 March 2010 (UTC)

The Conspiracy of the Noche Septembrina, 1828
Hola Miguel, I have been working on the articles of Francisco de Paula Santander, José María Córdova and Mariano Ospina Rodríguez, and they have something in common: the conspiracy against the dictatorship of General Simón Bolívar (september 25, 1828), called the “Noche Septembrina”. How can I incorporate this to these articles? I would also like to create this article on the conspiracy of the “Noche Septembrina”. If you get me started, I can work on it. Please advice. Thanks, -- Grancafé  * parley 03:33, 14 March 2010 (UTC)


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Proposed deletion of David Char Navas


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DYK for Rodrigo Rivera Salazar
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Wikipedia DC Meetup 13
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WikiXDC: Wikipedia 10th Birthday!
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Wikimania 2012 bid, DC chapter & next meetup!

 * 1) At WikiXDC in January, User:Harej proposed that DC submit a bid to host Wikimania 2012. A bid and organizing committee is being formed and seeks additional volunteers to help. Please look at our bid page and sign up if you want to help out.  You can also signup for the bid team's email list.
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DC Meetup: May 7 @ Tenleytown Library
The next DC Wikimedia meetup is scheduled for Saturday, May 7, 3:30-5:30 pm at the Tenleytown Library (adjacent to the Tenleytown Metro Station, Red Line), followed by dinner & socializing at some nearby place.

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GLAM-Wiki Baltimore meetup
 You are invited to the first Wikipedia Baltimore meetup on Saturday, July 23, 10:00am-12:30pm at the Walters Art Museum. Come meet Wikimedians, learn about GLAM-Wiki partnerships, get involved, and discuss future wiki outreach and activities in the Baltimore area!

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The WikiProject National Archives Newsletter
The first ever WikiProject National Archives newsletter has been published. Please read on to find out what we're up to and how to help out! There are many opportunities for getting more involved. Dominic·t 21:34, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

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You're invited! Wikimedia DC Annual Membership Meeting
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Red Link Recovery
Hello. As a Spanish-speaking WikiGnome, I'd like to solicit your help in testing a new tool. For a few years now, the Red Link Recovery Project has been using the Red Link Recovery Live tool to track down and fix unnecessarily red links in articles. Recently, the tool has been expanded to work on non-English Wikipedias. A small set of suggested fixes for red-links on the Spanish-language Wikipedia have been prepared and I'm hoping to interest some Spanish-language speakers (such as yourself) to work through them.

If you are interested, please visit http://toolserver.org/~tb/RLRL/quick.php?lang=es. Each time you refresh the page you'll be presented with three new suggested fixes. I'll be happy to answer any questions on the tools talk page. - TB (talk) 20:20, 20 September 2011 (UTC)

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Proposed deletion of Viviane Morales Hoyos


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October 2011
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You're invited! Wikipedia Loves Libraries DC
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