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History of California Golden Bears football
Hi Cake, thanks for the History of California Golden Bears football review, can you recommend some specific upgrades, so the quality goes up to at least a B? Thank you. Rybkovich (talk) 05:22, 16 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Sometimes and almost certainly in this case it's the article has no rating whatever and I can tell an article like that is "at least" a C. It probably is a B or better if I plodded through it; I don't see any real problems with it. A lead (or is it lede) and a once through with GOCE could probably help it though, since it was asked. More images probably help too - where's the wonder team?  Cheers.
 * Cool good point re wonder teams pic. Rybkovich (talk) 20:33, 16 October 2020 (UTC)

Technical issues with GA
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 * I have not used that template before or seen on it any of my GAs, but I will do so. Despite leaving the nomination template, it's a GA; rated as such for its wikiprojects. A small thing I overlooked was archiving. The waybackmachine at archive.org can archive sources, so that none of the links in your sources will ever go away. Also, while I passed it for a reason and think it's largely fine, I was never the ace grammar student, so feel free to use the Guild of Copy Editors if I neglected any style.  Cheers.  Cake  (talk) 15:58, 16 October 2020 (UTC)

Heraclitus

 * Appreciate it Bafflegab. Your wordsmithing had me think of a just-so story where Heraclitus invents the Chewbacca defense. Cake  (talk) 23:15, 20 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Haha, I'd like to read that.. I think... :D I've now satisfactorily concluded my editorial confabulations; I've added a good deal of [citation needed] templates, especially in the lower sections "Influence" and "Depictions in art", where citations are lacking; you'll need to deal with these before nominating for GA status. Good luck with your planned GA nom. :) Cheers,  Baffle☿gab  05:19, 23 October 2020 (UTC)

Leroy "Red" Bethea
Hello Cake, in response to your question from a couple of years ago, Red Bethea was from Trenton, Florida. It's a short ride from Gainesville. After his football career he had several businesses in Gainesville, Cedar Key and St. Augustine. Cheers, Twalls (talk)
 * Appreciate it very much.. Underrated contributions to the 1928 team. Familiar with Gainesville and Saint Augustine but have to plead ignorance on little ol' Trenton. Yours.  Cake  (talk) 18:44, 24 November 2020 (UTC)

Hello
Hey Cake. You asked me if Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold should be merged with the Columbine massacre article. Judging by the talk page histories, I can see that it's been discussed before and the consensus was not to merge. My opinion is the same. Purely from a biographical perspective, there is enough secondary literature out there to write a comprehensive article about Harris and Klebold.

As per Notability guidelines: "The criminal or victim in question should be the subject of a Wikipedia article only if one of the following applies: [point 2] The motivation for the crime or the execution of the crime is unusual—or has otherwise been considered noteworthy—such that it is a well-documented historic event. Generally, historic significance is indicated by sustained coverage of the event in reliable secondary sources which persists beyond contemporaneous news coverage and devotes significant attention to the individual's role"

The Columbine High School massacre article is already very big, and some of that material needs be moved to Harris and Klebold's. I don't want to glorify murderers either, but because this is a "well-documented historic event", with "sustained coverage", I really don't think these articles will be merged anytime soon. Thanks, LM150 11:42, 21 December 2020 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the reply. Pardon the message and the delete. Indecisive on how to approach the subject, obviously. I didn't feel that discussion had enough people, but also confess most seem on your side. I appreciate citing the proper policy, though I must say I find it opaque, and suppose  I would do with Cho as an example - who seems to me the paradigm case of 'shouldn't have an article, he's nothing else but an attack, has an article because of copying the Columbine articles, which have two separate articles because of early internets and unwise perp focus.'


 * Trying to ignore that example, say Tim McVeigh for the policy. Still seems like could just be a section of the OKC bombing article.


 * And of course "A person who is known only in connection with a criminal event or trial should not normally be the subject of a separate Wikipedia article if there is an existing article that could incorporate the available encyclopedic material relating to that person" is my contention. We have the article for the criminal event.


 * Perhaps we are dealing with how Columbine sometimes seems the transition between serial killers and mass murder, with more surveillance and more spectacle. Technically a mass murder, though a very long period of deceit and premeditation, and e. g. Klebold wore the serial killer shirt from Reservoir Dogs. For Bonnie and Clyde or the Zodiac Killer or Ted Bundy having their own article it makes good sense, but strikes me as bizarre for a singular crime, as I try to show with the Scott Peterson example, which also seems to be just two articles because the wealth of internet info predates wikipedia, and at one time both articles would have been ignorant of each other. Aside from that, it's just the same articles with different "early lifes" that could be in the same. The likes of Lanza not having an article show this particularly well. But of course not up to me. Cheers.  Cake  (talk) 13:24, 21 December 2020 (UTC)

"Nathaniel Curtis" listed at Redirects for discussion
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 * Fixed. Cake  (talk) 14:57, 10 January 2021 (UTC)

One of your pages...
has been mentioned by the InfoGraphics Show! Your welcome! --🔥LightningComplexFire🔥 18:04, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
 * That's neat to see the case get more publicity, and a mention for a start-class article - a strange case indeed. Cake  (talk) 03:26, 19 January 2021 (UTC)

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If you're interested in the complete list, it can be seen here. Cbl62 (talk) 11:07, 10 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Thanks and very cool feature. Some surprising ones. It shows I need to work on that Bama QBs list. It's pretty cool how many Civil War guys had college football kids. Of course I know the Confederacy. You probably know some neat Yankee ones. In the gray with sons starring on the gridiron: Edward Magruder Tutwiler, Edmund Kirby Smith, William Stewart Simkins, et al. Bradley Walker was in the Sons of Confederate Veterans, but I never could discover who was his Confederate ancestor.  Cake  (talk) 17:39, 12 January 2022 (UTC)

DYK for Amasa Converse
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File:Brice taylor.jpg
Assuming the date is accurate, File:Brice taylor.jpg should now be out of copyright. Any problem with moving it to Commons? I just set up Commons:Category:Brice_Taylor. - Jmabel &#124; Talk 22:16, 18 February 2022 (UTC)
 * No problem. Only makes things easier. There are several that weren't public domain when I put them up, but are now. Cake  (talk) 22:23, 18 February 2022 (UTC)

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Anaximenes of Miletus
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Italian school
Hey, I noticed you made some changes to Template:Ancient Greek schools of philosophy to sort some of the pre-socratics under the "Italian school" following the grouping by Diogenes Laertius. It's my impression that recent scholarship generally doesn't treat the Italian school as a coherent group that actually existed (unlike the Ionians) and so I reverted those changes.

Also, I noticed you didn't put an edit summary for any of those changes, which makes it harder to figure out what your intentions were - I apologize if I've assumed them incorrectly here! &#32;- car chasm (talk) 20:21, 23 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Yes forgive me, I should do more edit summaries, but if I did it all the time it would seem a huge task, so I tend to be lazy with it instead. The short version is I was not aware scholarship treated the Ionian school as a coherent group either. Doing it the traditional way seemed to better organize it to me: starts with the Milesians rather than the Pythagoreans, groups Empedocles and Anaxagoras as they are typically as Pluralists rather than Empedocles as nowhere and Anaxagoras as a Milesian, it better fits Xenophanes to be classed with Pythagoras and the Eleatics, and so on. Same for Xeniades. While I don't claim it was as coherent an institution as Oxford, the concept of the Italian school seems to show its worth in its influence on the skeptical philosophers. But that said I'm no specialist, so never much mind a revert.  Cake  (talk) 02:45, 24 March 2023 (UTC)
 * While I don't have any scholarly support and this is just a noob's conjecture, something else it seems to me to consider for the existence of an Italian school of philosophy, or a set of loosely related philosophers in Magna Graecia confined by geography if not also related in doctrine, is how Galen mentions a Sicilian school of medicine started by Empedocles. Note that Aristotle came from a family of doctors and had what seems Empedocles's four elements. Medicine much as science much as botany isn't much yet a separate branch of inquiry it seems to me. The other medical schools seem to have been places like Kos and Knidus near Ionia (like Hippocrates) and Kroton in Italy, surely related to Pythagoreans, like Alcmaeon of Croton. I think Cyrene also had one. Cake  (talk) 03:24, 24 March 2023 (UTC)
 * I left a proposal on the talk page that hopefully better speaks to motivation. Cake  (talk) 06:53, 26 March 2023 (UTC)

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Wilt Chamberlain

 * Thank you bafflegab. Before I got to it, things like the records or rule changes were only mentioned rather than sourced with what year and why, and things like the rivalry with Russell were stated several times. Just typing out Wilt's records can make one need a stretch. Cake  (talk) 01:10, 16 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Noted, thanks. Cheers,  Baffle☿gab  04:32, 16 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Hi again, I've now finished my c/e. I've added some cn templates where direct quotations aren't followed by a citation (in "Awards and honors" and "Death", and an uncited sentence in "Film". In my last session tonight, I've added clarify templates in "Chamberlain–Russell rivalry", where there are two ambiguous uses of "he" where two males are being discussed. Anyway, good luck with the article. Cheers,  Baffle☿gab  02:14, 22 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you very much. Hope my edits did not step on your toes too much. Many of them only seen after your edits. Cake  (talk) 02:19, 22 May 2023 (UTC)
 * No problems, I only edit-conflicted with you once and I didn't lose any changes. I haven't been tracking your edits, I assume you've been picking on shortcomings after the c/e. Cheers,  Baffle☿gab  04:42, 22 May 2023 (UTC)

Southwestern Intercollegiate Athletic Association
I noticed you created Template:1904 Southwestern Intercollegiate Athletic Association football standings for the conference and I noticed references to it in  those links. Was this a full fledged conference? I looked in several of the teams' media guides and they do not reference it.- UCO2009bluejay (talk) 03:42, 19 July 2023 (UTC)
 * I would assume so. Media guides are hardly the authority on pre 1930s conferences. The Southwest is even more obscure than the Southeast, and several times schools will be ignorant of their SIAA or SoCon affiliation. Note also the TIAA.  Cake  (talk) 08:29, 19 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Mainly asked because I didn't see an indicator of a conference championship in the templates. I have really been blitzing the Oklahoma articles as of late, and don't want to WP:OR two unrecognized confernce championships without proof (the OK History seems to indicate but isn't specific enough for season articles). Thanks-UCO2009bluejay (talk) 16:41, 19 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Looks like sometimes they say they were in the SIAA when they were in the SWIAA, reading it as Southwest. Cake  (talk) 03:39, 20 July 2023 (UTC)

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Nomination of 1882 Colorado College Tigers football team for deletion
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Alabama Dan Boones
Seems the Dan Boone who played football and baseball at Alabama was Alfred M. Boone, not James Albert Boone, who played Major League Baseball. It's confusing as James Albert's brother, Ike Boone was a teammate of Alfred M. at Alabama. Jweiss11 (talk) 02:14, 1 February 2024 (UTC)

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