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Hi
Just want to say I'm glad you haven't disappeared. Though we don't talk a lot, it makes me feel good to know you are around. --Rosiestep (talk) 04:48, 14 September 2016 (UTC)


 * Aw, thanks, and back atcha! That's especially nice to hear from an amazing Wikipedian like yourself. MopTop (talk) 04:58, 14 September 2016 (UTC)

Hello
I saw your edit on an article I wrote and noticed on your user page that we have a number of shared interests (notable women, overlooked people, semicolons, Boston) so I thought I'd say hello. I've been enjoying a browse through your articles. Cheers, Alafarge (talk) 16:20, 14 September 2016 (UTC)

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DYK for Rose Finkelstein Norwood
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DYK for Frances Sweeney
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Your userboxes
Hey there. I've just noticed and updated the link to one of your userboxes which I use since it went red. Via whatlinkshere, I further updated its links in few other editors and the main one at the gallery. Since you have more, just thought you'd like to know. Good day, Ugog Nizdast (talk) 20:28, 24 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Thanks for letting me know. Will try to fix it. MopTop (talk) 21:10, 24 September 2016 (UTC)

Hi
Could you please review my DYK for the article about Rock-Olga. If approved it could appear tomorrow on the DYK. If you find time for it please review.--BabbaQ (talk) 19:40, 25 September 2016 (UTC)
 * If you feel like it, you could also take a look at Helene Ripa. Any improvements are welcomed.--BabbaQ (talk) 21:09, 25 September 2016 (UTC)

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Your Newspapers.com account is now active. --Cameron11598 (Talk) 01:41, 13 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Wonderful, thanks! --MopTop (talk) 14:55, 13 December 2016 (UTC)

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Happy 2017!
Wishing good health and happiness as we start the new year! --Rosiestep (talk) 19:18, 1 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Same to you, and thanks for all your good work on Wikipedia. --MopTop (talk) 19:34, 1 January 2017 (UTC)

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 * Thanks! --MopTop (talk) 05:29, 12 January 2017 (UTC)

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Candace award
Hello, a friend of mine was working on your Candace Award page to copy the data to Wikidata and noticed that it just stops in 1992, but this shows it is still going strong in NJ? Looks like it made a restart in 2003 or something, or maybe it is run as a chapter thing of the NCBW now. In any case, he blogged about it here so maybe you can enlighten him? Thanks for making the list btw. Jane (talk) 09:28, 5 February 2017 (UTC)


 * Thanks. I tried emailing the organization when I first created the page, but I never heard back. The award appears to be given by local chapters now, and I don't think they have the big awards ceremony at the Met anymore, but I didn't want to say more without being sure. --MopTop (talk) 12:27, 5 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Well he said he mailed NCBW too. It's really too bad that things like this are so hard to track down - they probably lost a sponsor. I wonder if someone at the MET knows more? They at least have a more responsive inquiries desk. Jane (talk) 12:34, 5 February 2017 (UTC)
 * If you learn anything more, please don't hesitate to update the article. Not that I'm unwilling to do any more work on it, but I'm kind of engrossed in something else at the moment. I agree it would be great to have a list of more recent award recipients, which would no doubt include some very interesting and notable people who aren't yet mentioned in Wikipedia. --MopTop (talk) 13:49, 5 February 2017 (UTC)

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Categorization
It actually came up under another discussion on the page, but thanks for pointing me in that direction.

And don't worry - categorization confuses me as well. As much as the next guy...or more, even. :-)

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Add pageant winners to notability guidelines?
Hello, I saw that you were a part of Women in Red and I hope you don't mind me asking a question. I believe that pageant winners are notable people, but unlike sports players I feel they're often considered "not important" enough, even though pageants are extremely important to a large part of the population, including mostly women. I was wondering if you knew of a way to get pageant winners added to Wikipedia's official notability guidelines? That way you don't end up with situations like this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Cherise_Haugen

In any case, I appreciate all the work you do, and I understand you must be very busy and may not have time to respond. Have a great day :) Lonehexagon (talk) 18:42, 11 February 2018 (UTC)


 * I agree, but I have no idea how to get something added to the guidelines, sorry! I tend to stick to content creation and don't know much about the administrative side of things. --MopTop (talk) 03:19, 12 February 2018 (UTC)


 * Me too. I really appreciate the response. Have a great week :) Lonehexagon (talk) 16:33, 12 February 2018 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Luwanda Jenkins


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Nomination of Luwanda Jenkins for deletion
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Marie Newman
Being a candidate in an upcoming primary election is not a notability claim at all — even being the winning primary candidate who goes into the general election is still far from a notability guarantee, but being a candidate in a primary counts for exactly nothing whatsoever toward notability — and being head of a national organization is not a notability freebie in the absence of enough reliable source coverage about that to clear WP:GNG for it (mentions of it as background in the expected candidacy coverage is not enough.)

But at any rate, it doesn't matter what I think personally: the AFD concluded with a consensus to redirect her to the election article, which means that she has to stay that way unless and until you can do a significantly better job of writing and sourcing significantly more notability than the first version showed. For example, if she wins the election in November, the AFD will obviously be voided at that point since her notability claim will have changed to one that automatically guarantees the right to a Wikipedia article. But you can't just immediately ignore the AFD result and recreate the same article, with the same notability claim and the same or less sourcing as the first time — the AFD result is final until somebody can do significantly better than the first version. Not because I said so, but because that's how AFD works: it's the last word until something changes. And simply adding her middle initial to the title, so as to avoid the original page's title, is not a valid dodge to an AFD result either — that kind of editing behaviour can actually get a person blocked for disruption if they keep trying it.

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 * Like I said, SHE WAS NOTABLE BEFORE SHE WAS A CANDIDATE. --MopTop (talk) 17:41, 21 February 2018 (UTC)
 * Then you need to reliably source that fact better than you did. To demonstrate that she was already notable for leading a national organization before becoming a primary candidate, you need to show sources which demonstrate that she was already getting media coverage in that context — sourcing her prior career to mentions of it as background in the candidacy coverage does not constitute evidence that she was notable for the prior career, because every candidate's campaign-related coverage is always going to mention their prior career background. To demonstrate that she was already notable for that work before becoming a candidate, you need to show sources which were already covering her in that context before becoming a candidate — but the only non-candidacy source in your version of the article was a piece of her own writing, not coverage about her.
 * Again, you're more than welcome to work on it in draftspace or your own user sandbox if you need time to get it up to scratch. But your version was not showing the kind of sourcing it would take to deem her already notable for other reasons, because the article was not referenced to the kind of sources it would take to show that she was already notable — it was still referenced to candidacy-related sources, not to preexisting sources that showed a preexisting GNG pass for Team Up to Stop Bullying per se. Bearcat (talk) 18:01, 21 February 2018 (UTC)


 * So I went to investigate this deletion without consultation and found this. And then I came to post this on your talk page and found a long discussion above from another editor. I know that Twitter gives only short messages but you said that two out of three were deleted. Actually it was one. You said deleted "summarily deleted without discussion" ... and then I find the discussion. You may be feeling that you are being treated unfairly. Me too. Victuallers (talk) 23:50, 21 February 2018 (UTC)

Please note, as well, that every deletion or redirection does not always automatically require a new followup rediscussion. If a recreated article does not adequately address the reason why the first discussion was closed the way it was, then the result of the original discussion automatically reapplies without needing a new discussion to be conducted first. To override or overrule the first discussion, you do need to show a stronger claim of notability, and stronger sourcing for it, than was present in the first version — until that's done, there's no requirement to rediscuss the new version again if nothing about it actually represents an improvement over the first one. I've already pointed out several times that you can work on the article in draftspace or your own user sandbox if you need time to make it better — but until it's better than the first version, we don't have to rediscuss it before treating it the same way we treated the first version. You may think it's unfair, but it is one of our rules that if the recreated article isn't better than the first one, then nobody owes you a new discussion before the new version can be deleted or redirected again — your version would have to be better than the first one was before it could be either kept or rediscussed if people still weren't convinced. It's not fair to everybody else to have to spend time individually rediscussing every attempt to recreate a previously deleted or redirected article — so fair or not, our rule is that the first AFD result still automatically reapplies, with no new rediscussion required, until such time as the recreated article is better, making a stronger notability claim and citing better sourcing for it, than the first version was. Bearcat (talk) 19:19, 22 February 2018 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Category:American politicians of Italian descent


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Nomination of Renato Mariotti for deletion
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 * The only effective ways to contest this is to bring SIGCOV of Mariotti's career that predates September 2017. Some of the legal cases he prosecuted appear to be notable, such as the case against Michael Coscia (Spoofing (finance).E.M.Gregory (talk) 11:22, 20 March 2018 (UTC)

Precious three years!
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I see that you uploaded this picture, but it's copyrighted. Is it possible to put in Commons, so we will put in others Wikipedias?

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Hi there. We're running up individual issues of The Socialist Woman on Marxists Internet Archive and will be using your WP piece in full or in part as the intro for that. I was wondering if you would like to be credited by name for this; if not, not a problem at all. If so, drop me a line ShoeHutch@gmail.com Thanks for your work for Wikipedia! —Tim Davenport /// Carrite (talk) 05:31, 4 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Link All the best, -t /// Carrite (talk) 01:30, 5 July 2019 (UTC)

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