User talk:Mortice

My first test talk entry

Adoption

Hi mate, how are you? I saw your name on the adoption list, and I was thinking maybe I will adopt you (LOL this is pretty strange :P). The reason behind is because you like The Simpsons! Maybe there are more things, but I do not know yet. So what do you say? Cheers -- Imoeng 04:24, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

Thanks, that would be great! :) --Mortice 14:38, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

Okay cool! So, about the article. Yeah, you could have been bold and "hide" not "delete" the section until you get the citation. It is very serious because there was an issue of a biography, that someone made a "stupid" edit on that article. But I forgot who was it, I'll tell you later :D. And also, monitoring updates is a cool thing to do, and it is very useful, good on you! But maybe you can create your first article, if you want. If you want to monitor, you can use your watchlist, you know how to do it don't you?

If you want to ask some questions regarding the article, yes, talk page is the most suitable place to put your question. However it would be faster to get an anwer if you post it on someone's talk page. You just need to go to the article's history and see the person with the most edit. Most likely, that person has the answer :D.

Okay, I will find out about you more now (ehem, troll :P). If you have something to ask, please please don't hesitate to ask me anytime. Cheers! -- Imoeng 03:36, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

Userspace

Hi how are you? If you want, just click that link on my userpage, called "Userspace". Then change my name to yours. Hopefully that will work out. Hey, talk to you later, I need to go to school :). Cheers -- Imoeng 21:18, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

Hey how are you? About your userspaces, I think it will be unlikely for the admins to delete your subpages. They will delete it, or list it for WP:SD if the page is totally empty. Btw, can I know what are you up to now on Wiki? Hehehe, just curious. Cheers -- Imoeng 08:32, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

Projects

Yeah it happened to me too, but thankfully I have found a place to work now. Btw, could you make a new header when you reply me after a period of time? Because I almost did not see your new message (also yesterday's message). When I joined Wikipedia, I joined WP:GUITAR and made some guitarists articles. But then I created a new project, called WP:INA. So, I suggest you to find a good project and focus on this project first, create articles, expand, improve, stuff like that. Then, if you believe you can handle more, and have an idea of a project, why don't you try to make one? Well, for now, I'd say just focus on writing.
And yeah, doing things from The Simpsons to-do is good too. Just imagine, if the article passed WP:FA, then you have contributed to a featured article, which is extremely good! Another thing is, to improve The Simpsons portal. Portal:The Simpsons. I started the Indonesian portal, WP:PID, so just ask me if you are interested in improving The Simpsons portal.
If you want to see a list of projects, go to WP:LOWP. Good luck and take care -- Imoeng 22:21, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

List of songs

Hi how are you? Unfortunately, and apparently, there is no such facility to help us making tables (as far as I know). I am pretty sure, there is nothing like that, but you can clarify it on the help desk. I suggest you use List_of_The_Simpsons_episodes, edit the season 1 section and change the entries. That is what we usually do, "copy" other tables, templates and layouts :P. It is not a bad thing to do, as that list is a featured list. If you can finish the job, wow, you are the best :D. Cheers -- Imoeng 01:38, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

Edits to Memento trivia

You've kind of it the nail on the head there. Trivia is classified as information that is "interesting but not important". When you want to ask what is encyclopedic, you should think about what is useful information. Per WP:AVTRIV, trivia sections should be avoided. You will notice that none of the featured articles contain trivia sections, specifically under the media section. However, I've found that most trivia sections should not be simply deleted. A lot of information in the section is useful and encyclopedic. In the last day or so I've been running around and cleaning up random film trivia sections. Hopefully someone might come along and merge the useful information into the other sections of the article. As of right now, I'm working on getting the rest of the Star Wars film articles up to featured article status, so I don't have the time to do so. The Filmaker 05:40, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

Fair enough, thanks for the pointer to WP:AVTRIV, it explains a lot. As a newbie it's quite tricky to get a perspective on 'encyclopedic', but style guidelines help a lot. I'll have a go at integrating the other bits --Mortice 19:24, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

Kipp Lennon

I just added my first 'real' article! A biography of Kipp Lennon - no, I've no idea who he is either (except an occasional involvement with The Simpsons). Now lets see who deletes it...

Survivor Series (2003)

Why did you change that? Link chain just redirects back to chain. TJ Spyke 23:54, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

Well, yes... I think my explanation on Talk:Chain will help... I suspect I've missed a wiki trick in the job I'm trying to do (remove links to the old Chain page that was disambiguation, in order to disambiguate). This process will end up with all the 'chain' references pointing to single 'most appropriate' pages, I guess the 'Link chain' page has turned out to be a temporary step to that goal (which wasn't its original purpose) --Mortice 00:34, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

Fatty acid

I've fixed the link to chain to point to chain (sequence), as you suggested. Thanks for pointing it out! Waitak 04:08, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

Hello

Hi how are you? I was visiting my userpage when I saw your name :P, and wondering how is editing going. So, hows everything going here? Hopefully you can finish the list of songs ;). Cheers -- Imoeng 09:41, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

Hey there. I just want to tell you that I have decided to leave Wikipedia, due to some real life issues. Sorry about this, but I can't give suggestions anymore. Good luck and take care -- Imoeng 23:21, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

Hello, Mortice! I see that you have expressed an interest in being adopted by an experienced editor. I accept your request, being an experienced editor myself. Whether you want to learn about wiki markup, find something to do, or just talk to somebody, I'm the one you can talk to - just leave a message on my talk page. Good luck with Wikipedia! _└ ^VodkaJazz / _talk ^┐ 12:39, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

GCS

Here you go: Wikipedia:Requested articles/Applied arts and sciences/Medicine Most requests for things, mass efforts to do stuff and that sort of doings happen at the Wikipedia:Community Portal, linked to on your left. It's one huge directory of possible things you could need. I do not know what GCS means, but maybe there already is an article for it - articles are always under the full name (except for personalities who are much better known by their pseudonym or whatever), so check whether it exists before putting it on the list. Also, as you may note, there's quite a backlog so don't expect it any time soon! Glad to help. _└ ^VodkaJazz / _talk ^┐ 20:34, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

Lyrics

The general guidelines would be found here: Wikipedia:Fair use. In a nutshell, you may use very short sections of copyrighted material only to illustrate a point, to criticize, and the sort.

But when it come to music, we try to keep to certain guidelines of our own set out in the WikiProject Music. These guidelines, dubbed MUSTARD, specify that lyrics cannot be quoted for their own sake, but only when illustrating a point. Therefore, even if you get permission, you should not put the whole lyrics on but only use something like, in your case: the original "xxx" used in studio recordings of 2005 was replaced with "yyy" in the live recordings during the 2006 tour". Read Wikipedia:WikiProject Music/MUSTARD/Lyrics to get the feel (it's extremely short not like WP:FU).

Wikipedia:Lyrics and poetry gives a number of model examples to follow.

_└ ^VodkaJazz / _talk ^┐ 02:03, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

Thanks VodkaJazz, I've edited the Tom Robinson page accordingly, and will proceed with my page in line with those pages --Mortice 18:41, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

I'm wondering now if the article I was considering writing would fall foul of Wikipedia:No original research as a discussion of how the lycrics have changed over the years. But it would't be such an interesting article anyway if I can't quote the lycrics wholesale. Hmm... --Mortice 16:16, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

Thanks

thanks for completing that delete for me - don't know what happened there :) TheHYPO 12:11, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

Abusive msg from Art1991

Mortice here, recording the following msg sent from Art1991 but put in the wrong place on my talk page, in response to me trying to be helpful (he had an empty talk page so I gave him a 'welcome' but turns out he just keeps deleting his talk page):

FYI, I've been a Wikipedian longer than you have, so don't give me that "WELCOME TO WIKIPEDIA!" crap. I don't really know the author of the play, Bruce Kane. It's a high-school play I'm performing, goshdangit. I will add a plot though if you insist.Art1991 02:13, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

Help!

{{helpme}}

I'd like to get some advice from someone who's been intimately involved with the use an explitation of categories in Wikipedia.

I have a proposal on the table Wikipedia:WikiProject The Simpsons/Proposal for managing song lists on Simpsons episodes which I suspect is using categories in the way they were not intended.

I'd be very keen to know if this is considered a Bad Thing, or if it's a good use of categories. One of the respondants (on the talk page) expressed concern that it would create a large number (about 200) of categories with a small number (1 to 5) entries in each - this is because it's trying to be systematic use of categories so some extremes (a category with one entry) are a necessary by-product of it.

Please take a look at the proposal and let me know what's the "engineer's eye" view of the proposal, or if I should escalate it elsewhere. Thanks --Mortice 15:27, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

There's no technical reason why not; if you do this, all the categories should be subcategories of some parent category, to help keep track of them. It's probably worth advertising the proposal on Wikipedia talk:Categorization to see what opinion there is like. One alternative might be to use one massive list divided by episode, and to link to sections of the list from the individual episodes. --ais523 15:37, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

Thanks very much on the recommendation of asking on Wikipedia talk:Categorization, that's just what I was looking for --Mortice 15:48, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

Re: Bot

Hi - the best way to get a list of pages in a category is to use the query.php or the api.php systems built in to MediaWiki. Api.php is the most recent, and the one that is slowly replacing query.php in terms of usage and functionality. This give details on all of the uses of api.php, but the simple thing is that it can return an xml feed of all the pages in a category (as well as many other things). The python bot framework has this built in, but I can't remember which funtion to call (it's in category.py). Also, I don't know if it uses api.php (or query.php) or some other method. Also, relevant to what you're doing, you can use the api.php to get a list of all the pages which contain a certain template (such as this, which gives the uses of the {{stub}} template in xml form (get rid of the &format=xml to see a sligtly more readble version). If you look at those links, they should give you details of the api (or pywikipediabotframework may have it all included). If you need anything else, don't hesitate to ask! Martinp23 14:38, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

Thanks very much. Yes I did some poking around category.py and found CategorizedPageGenerator which seems to do just what I'm after, guess that makes calls on the query.php you're referring to. I've done the very basics of this bot now, just the fiddly bits of getting it to work on multiple pages etc, although after requesting bot approval someone's suggesting that it be done a different way (better if it doesn't require markup on the source pages) --Mortice 15:12, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

Hi again! Glad it's going so well. I'm going to attempt to answer those of your questions I can (with my limited knowledge of the ins and outs of the framework)

• I'm not sure that the default throttle (if any) imposed by the framework is, but I know you can set it by passing -putthrottle:nn (in seconds) to wikipedia.py, and would be able to hard code a throttle using put_throttle.setDelay(not_sure_what_goes_here!) (search for "putthrottle" in the code for wikipedia.py to find it). Of course, this throttle is probably just for editing, so is only relevant when page writes take place. So, basically, set a sensible throttle for edits (like when you first start it - around 6 per minute)

Thanks for the feedback. It appears that the throttling is happening for gets as well as writes, so I suspect it's there exactly for the purpose I'm thinking of. I can see from code that throttling is turned on in various functions including 'get' --Mortice 23:41, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

• I'm not honestly too sure if it'll work - I'd guess that it would be ok. Just to check, does the bot read all of the pages in its list every 60 seconds? If so, I think it'd be better to just give it a few minutes (maybe 10) before doing another run. Although it won't give a list updated as quickly (though it's probably still a lot faster (and more efficient) than a human doing it), it will both save on wikipedia bandwidth (accessing lots of pages is discouraged normally) and, if appropriate, on your internet limits (if imposed!). Of course I may be wrong about this completely, but continuing in the assumption that I've got the right end of the stick, I think it'd be best to put a longer throttle on (the mediation cabal bot runs regularly and frequently, but not too often). It's just that a large number of page loads will possibly cause a slow down of wikipedia (though feel free to ignore this bit of my opinion!)

Once the bot gets going, I'll experiment with putting a pause in there, but if the bot takes 1/2 hour to go through all its pages (due to throttling), a 10 min pause won't do much. The last thing I want to do is flood wiki or my bandwidth, but I think throttling will do a good job of preventing that --Mortice 23:41, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

• Going open source is good :) (I haven't :( ). You could put the code on sourceforge or something, or just upload it to a server, zipped. Just be careful to obscure the bot account password in the user-config.py! If you do ever need the bot to be hosted by someone else for a time, I have a free server available, and I'm sure there's loads of other willing people too.

Ah I was wondering about that, there's no password option I can see in the user-config file, I've just typed it in when the framework requests it (need to sort that out). Is it common to offer the code for 'review' (as its my first bot)?I'd just publish the 2 source files with code in. Will look into good methods --Mortice 23:41, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

I hope I've been of some help here! I'm not incredibly familiar with the framework (I'm starting to write my own framework in C#), but I hope I've got it right above! If you'd like any help on something I don't know, or you;d like more expert opinions on the pyframework, you could ask on the bot owners' noticeboard, where we're all willing to help. I'm still happy to help with any other problems, and especially if my answers above don't make sense (which could well be the case!) Martinp23 23:12, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

• Additional answer :) - there is a function in the framework (I've read) which will check it for you (probably using a query.php string). Realistically, it's prabably safer to put a message on the bot page and talk page giving a soft redirect (User talk:MartinBotIII) to your talk page, and requesting that the bot be blocked and you informed if it malfunctions (this is how I run it). If you ask at WP:BOWN, they'll probably have a more definitive answer! Martinp23 23:16, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

That sounds good - so it's not a requirement for the bot to abort on finding a message on the talk page, just one of several ways of doing it then --Mortice 23:41, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

Simpsons article

"Culturally significance phrases from The Simpsons" is grammatically incorrect. How about "Culturally significant phrases from The Simpsons"? Thanks. 148.177.1.219 15:17, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

Thanks, you're quite right, that was a typo in the page name - think it came from experimenting with wording like "Phrases with cultural significance" and miss-rearranging the words - but User:Natalie Erin has already moved it --Mortice 16:48, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

Culturally significant phrase

Hey, no problem. I didn't even notice it until one of the links kept coming back red! Natalie 16:49, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

Wikispeciestmp1

Hi--Thanks. I've been away from the wikis, and that whole thing just got dropped in mid-development, so I've no doubt there are a few bugs still in there. I'll take a look, but at the moment I'm stacked in three 'new article stub' creation edits I wandered into today due to needs, so may not be tonight as the wife and kids are due home soon. {
  If you can do something sensible with it, go fer it. The Category:Interwiki utility templates has the whole set, so may lend a clue—anything pipetricked under '*' (Asterisk) is part of the set. IIRC from the given name, it was a dead end that I should perhaps {{db-author}}. I'll check closer later. I didn't follow any links as I'm paranoid about loosing the earlier stacked edit (or two or three!), so I'll puruse your message better when I get clear of the risk of loosing an edit buffer. With luck, my schedule will soon allow me to finish that whole project. Thanks again. Best regards // FrankB 22:48, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

ahhhhh- got it

(curiosity got the better of me! <G>) There was no article specifically for the wikispecies sisterproject at the time of stubbing out that template. The idea was to set them all up the same way consistently,. So this was a 'placeholder' work-around a so to speak. I had far too much on my plate at the time to try stubbing together an article for wikispecies (guess I just did!), so I didn't! Brilliant, huh?So if you can find a Wikispecies article page, fix the link by all means! The various templates here are the 'Master copies', save for a couple of exceptions that differ elsewhere. Use the {{W2}} template so the fix is portable and reaches the page here or appropo pipe tricking. Thanks also for the courtesy of making an inquiry. That's uncommonly sensible around here! ttfn // FrankB 22:48, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

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ListGenBot

Hey, I claimed seasons 7 & 8 to add the ListGenBot tags, and I'm having a problem - everyone is showing up under writers and the cultural references are showing up under trivia, even though I added the tags correctly (I think). Could you take a look at the infobox for Who Shot Mr. Burns? Part II and tell me how I'm screwing this up? Thanks. Natalie 21:47, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

It seems to have corrected itself - must have just been slow to catch up. Do you think we should maybe add show runners? I've been listening to the commentary on some of the DVDs recently, and the show runners seem to be pretty important. Natalie 22:00, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

Hi, I did notice that your "SimpsonsCultural" tag for that episode doesn't have S07 on the end, and you have the comment about editing the list after the tag, it's better to have that before the tag so that the comment isn't included as part of the list (harmless but a bit less work for the bot then).

I'm not sure about runners - so are they people whose names are in the commentary but whose names don't yet appear on our capsule pages? If so, it would be a lot of work to add them, but no reason not to start doing it. I suggest you flag that to the wider community for a verdict, then get people to join in adding them and add the list tags for them at the same time --Mortice 22:05, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

The names are on the page (above the writer/s), and as far as I can tell from the commentary, they are also executive producers, which is pretty important. Also, the guest stars section isn't showing up on the generated page - they're going under directors. Natalie 22:11, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

Oh you're right, I missed out the runners! They aren't on the Season 18 pages I looked at. Could you add them too, and use "SimpsonsRunners|SimpsonsRunnersS07" and I'll update the guidance page and list generation pages etc. Please let me know if you spot anything else like that.

The guest stars look okay, but I'd recommend putting all of the ListGenBot tags on their own lines, as in The Mook, the Chef, the Wife and Her Homer - perhaps that could be a part of it (tho not sure how). I see the one page has 2 episodes on it - that could cause some complications, but I guess you should tag both info boxes etc - at least where they differ --Mortice 22:21, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

I'll add the runners to season 7, but I'm still not seeing guest stars on the Season 7 page. I have been trying to put everything on its own line, unless it creates weird formatting within the infobox, but I may have forgotten on some pages. Natalie 00:15, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

My removal of your edits was a mistake. I apologize. -- Scorpion 21:19, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

No problem --Mortice 21:51, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the info. I'll double check the tags and see if I can fix them. The one problem I've been seeing with putting things on their own line is that it is making too many lines in the info box, but I've only noticed this with the show runners. So removing the & and maybe extra line breaks will fix that. Natalie 00:18, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

Oh good point, if the system causes a significant change in the infobox appearance, we might have to rethink it. I think I'd like to standardise on using BR tags between multiple names and no '&' etc. If you're driving a new revisit and reformat of the episode capsules, you could include stuff like that --Mortice 12:15, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

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Thanks very much for taking the troube and putting all the detail in. I find it odd that no-one else has chipped in on this subject, but there you go. I'll refer your para to the guy that removed the pics from the Hank Azaria page because the pics didn't have a para like that in them, and see how it goes --Mortice 17:36, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

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Hi hows it going? Apparently I am back to Wikipedia, hehehe. I see you have found another mentor, that is good, but I believe you are now advance enough to go by yourself :P. See ya around. Imoeng 13:04, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

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Hello, and welcome to Wikipedia. This is a notice to inform you that a tag has been placed on Kamentu requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section A3 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because it is an article with no content whatsoever, or whose contents consist only of external links, a "See also" section, book references, category tags, template tags, interwiki links, images, a rephrasing of the title, a question that should have been asked at the help or reference desks, or an attempt to contact the subject of the article. Please see Wikipedia:Stub for our minimum information standards for short articles. Also please note that articles must be on notable subjects and should provide references to reliable sources that verify their content.

If you think this page should not be deleted for this reason, you may contest the nomination by visiting the page and clicking the button labelled "Contest this speedy deletion". This will give you the opportunity to explain why you believe the page should not be deleted. However, be aware that once a page is tagged for speedy deletion, it may be deleted without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag from the page yourself, but do not hesitate to add information in line with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. If the page is deleted, and you wish to retrieve the deleted material for future reference or improvement, then please contact the deleting administrator, or if you have already done so, you can place a request here. FatalFit | ✉ | ✓  17:14, 18 June 2023 (UTC)

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