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 * The source tells me that, as of yesterday, there are "8 objects which are nearly certainly dwarf planets". As you do have Admin status, and I respect Wikipedia Administrators, can you please help me understand how "nearly certainly" good enough for Wikipedia standards? From my perpective, I do not doubt Brown's veracity or work, but the IAU, which is the definitive body on classification, has not yet released information regarding the dwarf planet status of Orcus, Sedna, Quaoar, or 2007 OR10. While you stated that the IAU hasn't "said one way or the other", but the fact is that they haven't said anything. Does the IAU's position (or lack of one) not supersede Brown? Isn't presumptive editing something that isn't considered kosher for Wikipedia? While these objects may nearly certainly fit the definition, shouldn't they be on the candidate list until they are officially classified?

Listing of Jose Rizal as a Vital Article?
Thanks for your note. I researched it too and it's a but messy. The article is currently an entry in the 1,000 core topics list, which is an overlapping version of the vital articles listings. (There was talk of merging them but it went nowhere.) For some reasons there's no comparable template for the "1000" list. Articles that are included in those lists or the CD version are typically tagged, and your edit summary made it sound like you simply objected to it being ranked that way, rather than for bureaucratic reasons.  Will Beback   talk    01:08, 16 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Ah, thanks! This explains a lot. Also, apologies for the hasty edit summary. :) Sang&#39;gre Habagat (talk) 07:49, 16 February 2012 (UTC)

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Eurovision to-do list
Hi there, I've noticed that you've stated you'll be removing "unneeded stuff" from Eurovision by Year articles. How do you know if a specific piece of content is "unneeded"? What criteria would classify something as "unneeded"? You actually removed a paragraph from ESC 1956 article that is vital to the article, and as a result I've restored it back. You may want to check on the project talk page as the project members held a discussion a few months ago regarding Eurovision by Year articles, which included what should and shouldn't be included, as well as a new layout style which is slowly being rolled out across these articles. A style which helped gain the project its first ever GA-class on a "by year" article (see ESC 2012). The final summary of that discussion can be hound at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Eurovision/Archive 8. You may also wish to participate in the latest rounds of RfC's at Wikipedia talk:ESC in which the community are now discussion how to restyle article layout on "by country" and "country by year" articles. Regards Wesley ♦Mouse 11:43, 20 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Hi! I removed that paragraph in question as it talks about present day Lugano, and not Lugano in the context of the 1956 Eurovision's period. It provides no insight whatsoever about Lugano during the time period in question. If people wish to know more about Lugano, the link is right there for them to follow. If I am mistaken about all this, please do leave me a message explaining why. Also, I am familiar with the RfC's, I've kept watch on them as they progressed but had nothing in particular to input when they were held, but I will review them further to make sure I keep my edits in check. Thanks for the feedback! Sang&#39;gre Habagat (talk) 11:50, 20 October 2012 (UTC)


 * - Please also note that spelling on any Eurovision article needs to be in British/Irish English (aka European English) and not using American English (per guidance at MOS:ENGVAR). This is because the contests are held in Europe and therefore the English that is predominately used in that region would take precedence.  I notice you changed the word favourite (British spelling) to favorite (American spelling).  Please be careful when altering words.  If the paragraph is talking about present day Lugano, then rephrase it based on Lugano of 1956 - that is the better solution.  And it isn't a case of "if people wish to know more about a place", the decision was made to include a brief summary about the host city using the lead summary found on that particular city, and rephrasing accordingly to reflect the year in question.  Cheers,  Wesley ♦Mouse 11:54, 20 October 2012 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the reminder! I tried to make sure I didn't change British to American and vice versa. I did not realize I did that for favourite, however, since I retyped the entire phrase. Force of habit. Also, can you show me where it was discussed that the host city would be discussed using that city's article's lead? Thanks! Sang&#39;gre Habagat (talk) 12:00, 20 October 2012 (UTC)


 * Apart from those two areas, the rest of the work you're doing on the articles is fantastic. I had started to roll-out the new layout style and got as far as ESC 1975 (I think ?).  But then got dragged off the exercise due to my volunteering at London 2012 Olympic and Paralympic games, and lately due to a hit and run accident that I was a victim of.  Trying to do work on here left-handed while my right arm is broken isn't an easy task.   Wesley ♦Mouse 12:02, 20 October 2012 (UTC)


 * I hope you do get well soon! I can tell you're pretty valuable to keeping the pages you work on top quality. I'll be checking each individual page. I'll be more careful next time! Sang&#39;gre Habagat (talk) 12:04, 20 October 2012 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the compliment, yes I do seem to aim for top quality, and so we should really as Wikipedia prides itself on good articles, and to achieve that we as project members need to raise that bar and set a high standard from the start. In regards to host city lead.  It was decided to do that across all the articles, because at the GA review for ESC 2012, the reviewer stated such section was excellent and provided insight into the city too, seeing as that hold relevance to the article.  Due to us using those actions and an article gaining GA status, then it makes sense to continue that standard across the board.  It would be difficult on the older contests, but with clever rephrasing using context based on the relevant year would be sufficient.   Wesley ♦Mouse 12:06, 20 October 2012 (UTC)


 * I'm looking through sources right now for the 1956 article to add context for the host city. I hope my edits will be satisfactory! Sang&#39;gre Habagat (talk) 12:12, 20 October 2012 (UTC)


 * And done. Sang&#39;gre Habagat (talk) 12:23, 20 October 2012 (UTC)

That looks even better. Well done! Wesley ♦Mouse 12:25, 20 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Awesome! Thanks for the guidance. I shall continue looking through each page tomorrow. Sang&#39;gre Habagat (talk) 12:27, 20 October 2012 (UTC)
 * I'm going through all the talk pages and adding British English to remind people that British English needs to be used on these European-related articles.  Wesley ♦Mouse 12:33, 20 October 2012 (UTC)
 * That sounds good. I know I keep forgetting, myself. It's proving more difficult to switch registers than I thought hahaha. Sang&#39;gre Habagat (talk) 12:34, 20 October 2012 (UTC)


 * Well if you want to, you may add that tag to the article talk pages, and thus will have a record for yourself of which ones you have clean up so far.  Wesley ♦Mouse 12:38, 20 October 2012 (UTC)


 * Alright, I can do that! Sang&#39;gre Habagat (talk) 12:41, 20 October 2012 (UTC)

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Eurovision Infoboxes
Whoa there! I noticed you just removed the frameless tag from Template:Infobox Eurovision. Be careful what you're removing, as that particular tag is suppose to be there on those Eurovision infoboxes. The maps are now interactive. A user can now access a "country in Eurovision" article by clicking on a country within the map itself too, and its the frameless tag that allows this. I've restored it back before all hell breaks loose. Wesley ♦Mouse 11:58, 23 October 2012 (UTC)
 * The thing is it doesn't work though? I removed the frameless tag from the logo not the map. Frameless seems to do nothing for the logo, and I only removed because, upon hovering over the logo, it said "frameless}}", which told me it wasn't working. I'm going to remove it again because all it does is produce an unintended side-effect. Sang&#39;gre Habagat (talk) 18:51, 23 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Actually, I should've tested in the sandbox first. Let me see. Sang&#39;gre Habagat (talk) 18:54, 23 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Alright, I've removed both frameless tags and everything is still working fine. Frameless is the default for images, so it was unnecessary. They were both formatted wrong in the first place, anyway. Sorry for the unneeded concern! Sang&#39;gre Habagat (talk) 19:10, 23 October 2012 (UTC)


 * NO you can't remove it sorry. By removing it, you also remove the option of clicking on the small I icon that appears in the bottom right of the map, which allows users to click on it and be directed to the map file.  And not only that, by removing the main template, you are actually altering EVERY Eurovision and Junior Eurovision article that uses the template.  I seriously recommend that you revert your action, as generic ProjectEurovision templates (such as that) which are used across a variety of articles need to be discussed with the project members via WT:ESC first, rather than just going on a whim and altering willy-nilly.   Wesley ♦Mouse 19:13, 23 October 2012 (UTC)


 * I've took the liberty to ask to look into this, as he is the expert on them (he's a good help, and has provided expert advice on these issues whenever I got stuck in the past).  Anyhow, he's done a test on the template, and sorted out any issues.  Thanks,  Wesley ♦Mouse 20:35, 23 October 2012 (UTC)


 * I'm quite upset that you're beginning to feel that I'm being uncooperative over this matter, as you said on AxG's talk page. Like I said, my changes made no functional difference, which was exactly true: the little "i" was still there, and the image map was still fully functional. Please do not lecture me on what a template does or that I am doing things "on a whim" and "willy-nilly". I've been on Wikipedia long enough to know basic template syntax, what I should touch, and what I should not. Minor changes such as what I did (that, once again, did not affect any functionality of the template whatsoeever), do not need to be discussed. WP:BOLD applies as well. Also, WP:AGF, friend. Please.


 * I made one last edit that should fix the image sizes for the logo and the old map thing to 250px. There's still two extra curly brackets for those that need to be removed.


 * Sorry for the inconvenience about all this. Sang&#39;gre Habagat (talk) 02:42, 24 October 2012 (UTC)


 * Firstly, I was not picking on you in my conversation with AxG, I was merely expressing my concern over the matter with him. You'll find a lot of the members on the project are aware of my tone when I get very concerned over matters that either confuse me or that I get very passionate over.  You told me to AGF, but yet you go against that yourself be accusing me of lecturing you, where's the fairness!?
 * If you was a member of ProjectEurovision over 7 months ago, then you will be aware of the tensions that altering any templates causes within the project. It was only 7 months ago when one members started to duplicate the Country in Eurovision navigation boxes, and that caused so much annoyance between everyone involved on the project.  It was during that debate (which lasted over a month) that a lot of points where raised, including the fact that if there are obvious spelling errors etc on a template then they may be changed without question as long as we note the change(s) in the edit summary.  If the issue on a template is a technical function (to which the frameless thing is) then we're suppose to raise it on the project talk page first, rather than make the alterations and have situations like this occurring.  Yes, I agree that BOLD should apply, but when people where being reckless in the past in regards to ProjectEurovision's templates then the bold factor became obsolete and it became a case of discuss on the project page first.  As you hadn't done that, then I can only assume you wasn't a project member before the discussion took place.
 * I think in future anything that you think may cause an issue, even with one project member, that you raise it on the project talk page first, please.  We are a project community, and maintaining a high level of communication with your fellow project members is very vital, so that we all know what is going on rather than trying to do detective work to find out.  Thank you.   Wesley ♦Mouse 11:53, 24 October 2012 (UTC)

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Miss Universe 2012
Why not put the stature of the candidates of Miss Universe 2012? --Miigueh (talk) 23:55, 12 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Like I said, if you can find reliable sources for all of their heights, you can add them. Although it's probably unnecessary because even the official Miss Universe website doesn't list them. Sang&#39;gre Habagat (talk) 03:46, 13 December 2012 (UTC)

Shamcey Supsup will host some of the web contents, but is NOT a presenter for the final telecast like Andy Cohen, Giuliana Rancic, and Jeannie Mai are. Therefore, she should not be in the presenter category. -- Rararawr21 —Preceding undated comment added 21:18, 15 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Alright, I agree. However, Jeannie Mai isn't a presenter either. The MU website only lists Cohen and Rancic. Sang&#39;gre Habagat (talk) 21:20, 15 December 2012 (UTC)

An explanation needed for ESC 2013
In the Official Site of Eurovision Song Contest the name of the Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia is FYR MACEDONIA, not "Macedonia". So why do you revert my edits at the article "Eurovision Song Contest 2013"? I need an explanation for your error. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hellenicus (talk • contribs) 15:33, 28 December 2012 (UTC)
 * This is not my error. If you checked your own talk page, you'd see that you were referred to WP:NCMAC which is Wikipedia's naming convention on Macedonia. Sang&#39;gre Habagat (talk) 15:35, 28 December 2012 (UTC)

I'm sorry; indeed, the error wasn't yours. I didn't know anything about this "WP:NCMAC". I just read it and I found it unthinkable and unhistorical. But I am not going to begin a conversation about this issue. It's rather funny that the OFFICIAL page of Eurovision Song Contest uses the name FYR Macedonia (according to this country's name: Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia, FYROM) and Wikipedia uses FOR THIS MATTER (I mean the particular contest, not the historical and political matter) the one-word term "Macedonia". It's contradictable and so sadly wrong. Hellenicus (talk) 16:06, 28 December 2012 (UTC)HellenicusHellenicus (talk) 16:06, 28 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Unfortunately, this is Wikipedia policy for all of the English Wikipedia, whether the article in question is political or something like the ESC. As this is rather controversial, I'm afraid there's very little anyone can do about the policy considering it had already been discussed in length in the past. Sang&#39;gre Habagat (talk) 16:08, 28 December 2012 (UTC)

I understand and I won't continue editing, since I didn't know about this. But I'll write only this: serious issues require SCIENTISTS like Historians, not users' discussions, who probably don't have the necessary knowledge, in order to reach certain and true conclusions. Hellenicus (talk) 16:23, 28 December 2012 (UTC)HellenicusHellenicus (talk) 16:23, 28 December 2012 (UTC)
 * I regret that you will stop editing as I'm sure you have other areas where you can contribute. Wikipedia runs on consensus and verifiability, so if something isn't in black and white in outside sources, it's up to the editors to decide what's best for Wikipedia. You may disagree (and I do at some points too), but it's the only way this website can be run without edit wars taking over. Thanks for understanding. Sang&#39;gre Habagat (talk) 16:28, 28 December 2012 (UTC)

"Wikipedia" as long as it uses the term "pedia", the greek word for education, knowledge (παιδεία) should reconsider immediately. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hellenicus (talk • contribs) 16:32, 28 December 2012 (UTC)

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Gian de la cruz
I notice you have reverted this user's action with the Samar page. S/he has also moved (renamed) several other pages in the same area, for instance Catbalogan and Tacloban. I did send the user a uw3rr a couple of weeks ago, so I'm guessing this is an attempt at circumvention.

Anyway, I'm not sure how to go about rolling everything else back. For instance history of Samar shows a 45 byte reversion by you, but no original change.

Is it as simple as move (rename), or is there more to it?

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 * That 45 byte revision was to revert said disruptive user's changes in the infobox, in which he removed the flag and seal just to replace it with an even bigger seal, which needs to be deleted on Commons.


 * But, yes, it should be as simple as moving the page if there aren't any other disruptive edits. c: Mr. Gerbear (talk) 17:13, 10 April 2013 (UTC)


 * Other editors have already cleaned up the mess I think. Both the large and small seal images are claimed by this user as original work.  I don't think so!  John of Cromer in Philippines  (talk) mytime= Thu 01:20, wikitime=  17:20, 10 April 2013 (UTC)


 * I'm looking through his account on Commons now for this and other copyvios. Mr. Gerbear (talk) 17:22, 10 April 2013 (UTC)

Same user has just done the same thing again - moved (renamed) Tacloban to Metro Tacloban. I think more positive action is needed than a yellow card. It's my bedtime now, so I can't fix it. John of Cromer in Philippines (talk) mytime= Fri 00:14, wikitime=  16:14, 11 April 2013 (UTC)

Well that worked. Not. => https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Gian_de_la_cruz

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Now blocked indefinitely by user:wtmitchell John of Cromer in Philippines  (talk) mytime= Fri 09:54, wikitime=  01:54, 12 April 2013 (UTC)

My guess is s/he'll be back Sunday morning (my time) trying it again. John of Cromer in Philippines (talk) mytime= Fri 17:58, wikitime=  09:58, 12 April 2013 (UTC)

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In regards to your comment over on Orphan Black of "Wow. It's in really bad form to start a guideline discussion without notifying 202 and I. Mr. Gerbear (talk) 08:02, 6 June 2013 (UTC)" I would just like to point out that there was no obligation for me to have notified you of discussions. It wasn't about a change of policy or a RfC or asking for Admin intervention/Mediation, it was just one editor (myself) asking for clarification on a point of a guideline. You had already provided your views and I disagreed with them and wanted other editors input. Turns out I was wrong and have since made apologies. But there is no obligation to inform people about discussions unless asking for admin intervention. -- MisterShiney   ✉    19:35, 7 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Well, I agree that there is no obligation, but it's still really bad form. Thank you for apologizing to the IP, however, and for assuming good faith to the end. Hope we don't get into anything messy again in the future. Mr. Gerbear (talk) 22:41, 7 June 2013 (UTC)

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Orphan Black
Hi. Orphan Black's primary network is Space (through production ordered by Bell Media). BBC America has rights to the show in the United States, as well as a partnership position in production, but it is not the lead. Regards Taroaldo   ✉   20:45, 27 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Hi, thanks for getting back to me! Thanks for the source. However, I found a near-identical press release from BBC America that says the same thing, except from their perspective. They even switched the order of the networks in the quote around. Apparently neither BBC America nor Space are the sole primary network, but both? This still doesn't solve the problem of the order in the infobox though. Mr. Gerbear (talk) 20:54, 27 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Hi! Unfortunately, a lot of the US networks tend to do this in their promotion of certain shows (SyFy is another one that comes to mind). Shows are labeled as "XYZ Network Original Production" because they purchased the rights to the show in the US. I'm not sure if they do this from a marketing perspective (ie audience more likely to watch a domestic show), or for some other reason like network ego lol. In the case of a show like Being Human, the main show runner is SyFy with some involvement from Space and production done by Muse Entertainment in Montreal. However,  in Orphan Black's case, every aspect of main production, including the production company itself - Temple Street Productions  - is Canadian.  Taroaldo   ✉   21:11, 27 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Hm, yes, you're right. However, Temple Street being Canadian wouldn't necessarily mean Space is the primary network, doesn't it? Mr. Gerbear (talk) 22:33, 27 June 2013 (UTC)
 * What evidence is there that BBC America is the primary network? There isn't any. How many US shows are set in Canada and have Canadian showrunners? I don't think there are any. American TV has little interest in anything outside of the United States border. (For an example of this, feel free to look at Falcon Beach. After this Canadian show was picked up by ABC Family, the production had to shoot duplicate scenes where any geographic references were used, to replace Canadian place names with American place names. The international version is set in Manitoba, but the altered US version is set in New England. To me, this is ridiculous, but that is what American networks demand.) Taroaldo   ✉   23:26, 27 June 2013 (UTC)
 * I understand, and I don't really mind the order on the infobox either way, mostly because now I think both Space and BBC America have equal stake in this show. Perhaps this is why Orphan Black avoids explicit mentions of where its set? Anyway, I'm fine with your revert and thank you for showing me the press release from Space. Mr. Gerbear (talk) 02:12, 28 June 2013 (UTC)

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Hi Mr. Gerbear,

I've added your name to the list of coordinators. Everything is pretty straight forward when it comes to the newsletters. The editorial team take it in turns to write the opening "Editor's Message" that appears on monthly newsletters. CT Cooper however is away from Wikipedia for an indefinite period of time, due to personal reasons, so it has meant myself writing the main editorial, and I'm at the stage of not knowing what to write any more. Hopefully with fresh volunteers, we will be able to think of ways to improve the newsletter to make it more exciting for project members to want to read. I'm open to suggestions for the newsletter, as I myself have been scratching my head month after month thinking of ways to vavavoom the publication. I've even been in contact with the editorial team from the Signpost to find inspiration on how we can improve our newsletter. If you wish, you may also add Editor WikiProject Eurovision Newsletter to your userpage, which will produce userbox. I look forward to collaborating with you on this project. Regards, Wesley  ☮  Mouse  21:03, 30 June 2013 (UTC)


 * Cool beans! I'll try to think of stuff. I've been working with student publications for years and years now, so hopefully that experience will help me with this and that this experience will help me with that. Also it would be a good exercise to practise British English. Mr. Gerbear (talk) 21:12, 30 June 2013 (UTC)


 * Feel free to have a look at the most recent newsletter to familiarise yourself with the current newsletter template format. I also keep a copy in one of my sandboxes so that I can work on the pre-draft before doing a copy/paste onto the new publication page.  Here is the link to that pre-draft sandbox.  All that's left to say is welcome aboard.  And if you require any assistance with British English, I don't mind helping as British English is my native tongue.   Wesley  ☮  Mouse  21:40, 30 June 2013 (UTC)


 * These are released monthly, yes? Mr. Gerbear (talk) 22:02, 30 June 2013 (UTC)


 * Indeed, they are released monthly. I update the main newsletter page with the deadline for each publication release.  Then I use EdwardsBot to deliver it to all the project members.  Not everyone is allowed to use EdwardsBot though, apparently it has restricted to members on the access list only.   Wesley  ☮  Mouse  22:07, 30 June 2013 (UTC)


 * Hm, I see. We have a week until the next issue, then. Is there anything in particular I could help with? Mr. Gerbear (talk) 22:19, 30 June 2013 (UTC)


 * You may write the opening editor's message if you like, I've left the closing paragraph that appears on all the editions, that shows members how to invite people etc. If you want to reword for each of the other contest sections, then feel free to do so.  Per chance, do you receive regular posts from suggestion bot?  If not, then no need to worry as they are posted on my talk page too.  I use that to randomly select articles that need improving and then include them in each newsletter too.  Also you may want to see if you too can be given access to EdwardsBot.  I can't see any reason why they would refuse you access.   Wesley  ☮  Mouse  22:26, 30 June 2013 (UTC)

Cool, I can do that. I do occasionally get suggestions from the suggestion bot. I'll check your talk page as well. As for EdwardsBot, I'm still not entirely sure how to use it and I wouldn't want to screw up and spam people with a coding error or something haha. Mr. Gerbear (talk) 22:30, 30 June 2013 (UTC)


 * SuggestBot is very handy as it groups everything into its specific area of improvement requirements (makes life easier for adding them to the newsletter - haha). I also have a lot of tools/resources on my main userpage that I sometimes use for the newsletter, such as the link to all Eurovision hearts with flags in them, and other bits and pieces.  You're very welcome to use any of those resources too.   Wesley  ☮  Mouse  22:37, 30 June 2013 (UTC)


 * Awesome, I will check things out. c: Mr. Gerbear (talk) 22:39, 30 June 2013 (UTC)


 * The draft version of July's newsletter has now been transferred over to WikiProject Eurovision/Newsletters/July 2013.  Wesley  ☮  Mouse  15:12, 1 July 2013 (UTC)

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Croatia in the Eurovision Song Contest
Hello. When you recently edited Croatia in the Eurovision Song Contest, your summary said "removing synthesis". Should I assume this is where you removed "famous" on two occasions? If so, I'd like to replace them but not with famous, I think well known is better. The reason is this, Eurovision as an event normally involves newcomers though not exclusively. When Feminem represented Bosnia in 1995 they were new. By the time they represented Croatia their names were known as they'd achieved some real fame. Of course in 2006, Croatia was represented by Severina Vučković who happens to be the biggest musical name in Croatia and one who is extremely popular in all the other former Yugoslavian states. In those cases it wouldn't be wrong to mention this. What are your thoughts? Feel free to reply here, I shall keep watch. beztraga (talk) 08:44, 12 July 2013 (UTC)


 * Other words that may be better to use could be:


 * Illustrious people/acts
 * Renowned people/acts
 * Notable people/acts
 * Wesley ☮  Mouse  11:19, 12 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Notable sounds good, the others are along the lines of "famous". The reason for the inclusion is so that readers know that the person or group did have popularity predating their entry. beztraga (talk) 12:39, 12 July 2013 (UTC)


 * Actually, when I said removing synthesis, it was when I took out this part:
 * In 2000s, Croatia has only once qualified in the top 10, in 2002. Croatia has failed to qualify in recent contests, most notably in 2007 with Dado Topić, which is also the worst Croatian result on the ESC, but also in 2010, 2011, 2012 (with Nina Badrić, one of the most famous singers in Croatia), and 2013,
 * the data of which is already in the table considering it's an unnecessary list of years they didn't qualify.
 * I removed "famous" because fame is really relative and neutral writing should avoid qualifiers like these, in my opinion, although you do have a point in that it's good to note whether someone had already been famous before the event. I think there may be a better way to word it than just putting a single adjective like "famous" or "notable" because that might mean famous after the event, or notable because of their participation. It's really ambiguous. Thoughts?  Mr. Gerbear | Talk 19:46, 12 July 2013 (UTC)
 * How about the word renowned then? We could say "Band-X were renowned prior to their participation at the Nth Eurovision Song Contest, due to their prior participation for another country and/or other success in the music industry".  It takes away any ambiguity, whilst also remaining neutral, and putting across any facts.   Wesley'  ☮  Mouse  11:21, 13 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I think that's good! Something like "BandX, who was already renowned in Country prior to their participation, entered the contest in YearX, where they placed Nth."  Mr. Gerbear | Talk 19:23, 13 July 2013 (UTC)

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Thank you Gerbear for intervening at Talk:Eurovision 1981, I really much appreciate that. The angle the discussion was turning, started to upset me somewhat. I never wanted to publicly tell everyone on Wikipedia about my disorders, as I thought people would start to treat me like a freak - the same way I get treated in real life. But now I've made it aware on my user page so people will know I have the disorders (although I still feel uncomfortable in doing that). I was hoping that by providing links to the two disorders in that discussion, that the user would have had a read and understood what I'm going through. But alas, I'm not sure if they do. Having asperger syndrome and bipolar disorder are not the best combination to live with, which is why at times I try and spend a few days away from Wikipedia (especially when I'm on my off days). Neither of them help either, as at times I take personally aimed comments to heart and then the disorders kick in and I flare up like a volcano. Personally, I didn't see wrong in closing down the RfC of which I had opened up, as I felt the questions were answered. But I'm confused as to why it spiralled out of control just because I closed it down? Anyhow, it's all water under the bridge as far as I'm concerned now. Thank you once again, and I'm still looking forward to working with you on August's edition of the Eurovision newsletter. I'm sooooo excited! Wesley ☮  Mouse  07:05, 12 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Whoa, totally late reply, but you're welcome. If you ever feel the need to talk, or to vent frustrations about editing here on Wikipedia, feel free to e-mail me.  Mr. Gerbear | Talk 05:02, 15 July 2013 (UTC)

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