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Tech News: 2016-25
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Recent changes
 * Notifications were not always marked as read when you followed a link from an email notification. This will now happen.

Changes this week
 * The list of other languages an article is available in will be shorter on small Wikipedias and non-Wikipedia projects. This is to make it easier to find the most relevant languages for each user. You will still be able to see the other languages.
 * Alerts (the red badge) will not be automatically marked as read when you open the Notifications popup.
 * When you get several thanks you can see them as one notification. This is instead of one notification for each thanks.
 * Octicons-sync.svg The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 21 June. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 22 June. It will be on all wikis from 23 June (calendar).

Meetings
 * Octicons-tools.svg You can join the next meeting with the Architecture committee. The topic this week is develop Markdown support strategy for MediaWiki. The meeting will be on 22 June at 21:00 (UTC). See how to join.

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Wednesday June 29: Wiki Loves Pride Edit-a-thon @ MoMA
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User:139.130.191.210
The user continues his fight - Emperor of China.Xx236 (talk) 05:42, 20 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Blocked for a week. Thanks for the report &mdash; MusikAnimal  talk  21:33, 20 June 2016 (UTC)

User:24.187.104.115
This vandalism-only account that you previously blocked is active again. Would you please block it? -- Ssilvers (talk) 06:44, 20 June 2016 (UTC)
 * FYI, Vandalism-only account means accounts, not anonymous users. Anyway I've checked the contribs and this is clearly the same user from last time. Blocked for a month. Best &mdash; MusikAnimal  talk  21:36, 20 June 2016 (UTC)

New protection method
Since you've been around foreveeerrrr I thought you'd maybe know the answer to this - Has anyone given any thought to adding the ability to protect pages from edits from IP ranges? Often IP ranges are too big to block but the targeted IP hopper focuses on certain articles/pages that would be normally be left unprotected. Blocking certain IP ranges from editing certain pages would reduce collateral damage and leave productive IPs free to edit. --Neil N  talk to me 20:18, 22 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Forever? Your registration date is older than mine! But my first account was created in 2006. Anyway, I'm sure there was a Bugzilla turned Phabricator issue created for some kind of IP-range page protection. It's an excellent idea, but a lot of work for a feature that I'm guessing only a select few admins would actually use, since most don't deal with ranges. Fortunately we can do the same thing with the edit filter, and I think if we restrict to a specific page, it's not really that expensive. Email me if think this is worthwhile, happy to look into it &mdash; MusikAnimal  talk  02:13, 23 June 2016 (UTC)

Glitch on the staledraft page
There's a glitch on User:MusikBot/StaleDrafts/Report where if it's a category draft, it doesn't link it under the "Mainspace" column but instead adds the page to the category. .  Anarchyte  ( work  &#124;  talk )   08:46, 18 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Thanks! I will get a fix out soon &mdash; MusikAnimal  talk  20:47, 19 June 2016 (UTC)
 * This should be fixed &mdash; MusikAnimal  talk  02:36, 23 June 2016 (UTC)

Reminder
Reminder.Anythingyouwant (talk) 03:14, 23 June 2016 (UTC)
 * ✅ Generated a fresh list at User:MusikBot/SoundSearch/List!! I only checked maybe 25 of them, but looks like it successfully found files that are not listed at Sound/list – which is what we want, right? Note also commons:Category:Ivor Novello contains commons:Category:Ivor Novello Award winners, so you end up with some funny results like File:Let Go - Avril Lavigne - PT.ogg and File:Mick Jagger BBC Radio4 Front Row 26 Dec 2012 b01pg54v.flac &mdash;  MusikAnimal  talk  19:37, 23 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Hey Animal, it's me leaving a reply as an IP for reasons I'd rather not get into. Thanks so much for doing that!  I hate to spring this on you so soon after leaving a reminder, but suddenly it's not clear if and when I'll be pursuing this.  So I deputize you!  🎼. If it suits your fancy to update the sound/list or deputize someone else, please go for it.  Also, User:Graham87 may or may not be interested in moving forward with this.  Take good care of yourselves‼️166.216.159.86 (talk) 19:44, 23 June 2016 (UTC)
 * No problem, there was a little work involved this time around but nothing I'm complaining about. If someone wants to make use of the list be my guest, I personally don't think I'll have time for it. Hope everything is okay on your end! &mdash; MusikAnimal  talk  19:47, 23 June 2016 (UTC)
 * I don't think I'll have the time for it, either. Graham 87 02:14, 24 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Okay, maybe I'll eventually get back to it. Cheers.107.77.194.8 (talk) 16:16, 24 June 2016 (UTC)

Hello from Kyraocity
I am a relative new active Wikipedian. I also use Wikipedia to teach undergrads and profs about the power of crowdsourcing open knowledge. I also study social media and have been studying twerking videos to learn more about the "social" consequences of it. Editing the twerking entry has been facscinating. I saw your note about the page being semi-protected and wondered if you could share your insights into the page as an editor. Could I interview you by phone about it? or via talk page. Not sure where you are or what time zone. Could do this by Skype as well. Thanks!

PS I am interested in the gender gap among editors and editing in particular and have noticed some issues while editing twerking. sheridanford 16:42, 25 June 2016 (UTC)
 * I'm sorry, I have no particular interest in the subject of twerking. I saw the page was suffering from vandalism, so as an administrator I semi-protected it to prevent further disruption. Anyway, I find your words insightful, and admire your passion toward the Wikipedia mission! I see from your talk page you have attended NYC-area events, if you continue to do so we'll probably run into each other. I won't be able to attend the edit-a-thon at MoMA on Wednesday (you should if you are free), but I do plan to be at the next WikiSalon. Hope to see you there! &mdash; MusikAnimal  talk  16:58, 25 June 2016 (UTC)


 * @MusikAnimal: I actually am interested in your admin role around contested topics. I am trying to find someone who was involved with the talk page when this entry was under consideration for deletion and thought I found your name there. [Pardon my omitting my signature in the other edit. I am still learning how to notify the person who left me a message. Do I have to add their name or do I just add my own when responding and they will notice? I added yours here because I am unsure.] — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kyraocity (talk • contribs) 18:10, 25 June 2016 (UTC)  sheridanford 18:12, 25 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Unfortunately I wasn't really involved, I just applied protection purely in an administrative capacity. I don't think I edited the talk page, and wasn't aware the article was up for deletion.As for notifying users in your comment, you almost had it! You just need to use the template for pinging users, which is ping. So for example, if I wanted to ping User:Example I would write  and when you hit save it will look like  and trigger a notification to that user.For your signature, it appears you still are having trouble with it. I see here you attempted to write what I assume is your real name, followed by a date stamp. All you need to do is type ~ (four tildes) at the end of your comment. Note I said "four" tildes, not five, which is what I think you're doing. There is also a little button in your editing toolbar you can click on to insert your signature, it looks like this: Insert-signature.png sorry the wiki talk system is so crappy! And also sorry I can not assist you with your research on twerking. All the best &mdash;  MusikAnimal  talk  18:50, 25 June 2016 (UTC)


 * I am using four tildes and am familiar with that since I only use the editing toolbar for it. Thanks for everything! sheridanford 16:09, 26 June 2016 (UTC)

Tech News: 2016-26
 Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent changes
 * The ORES service has now moved to a new location. This should make it easier to use ORES. The ORES review service is now available as a beta feature on Wikidata and Persian Wikipedia. ORES is an artificial intelligence system for Wikimedia wikis to help editors.
 * The order of wikis in collapsed cross-wiki notifications was different than when the list was expanded. This is now fixed.
 * A new category for tracking pages with math errors was added:    :.

Problems
 * The Wikimedia Etherpad crashed on June 23. Some edits done that day have been lost. They can be found at etherpad-restore.wikimedia.org for another few days.

Changes this week
 * Octicons-sync.svg The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 28 June. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 29 June. It will be on all wikis from 30 June (calendar).
 * The way to mark notifications as read or unread will be changed to be more clear.

Meetings
 * Octicons-sync.svg You can join the next meeting with the VisualEditor team. During the meeting, you can tell developers which bugs you think are the most important. The meeting will be on 28 June at 19:00 (UTC). See how to join.

Future changes
 * The Collaboration team at the Wikimedia Foundation will look at developing better tools for edit review. This is because research suggests we scare away newcomers who want to help.
 * An e-mail from the Editing Department explains the technical work that is planned and being researched for the future. Items include better wikitext and visual editing, prompts for edits, language improvements, annotations, and meta-data separation.
 * The sorting of Notifications into the two fly-out menus is going to change on July 5 to 7. Bundled notifications should be easier to explore and mark as read individually.
 * Octicons-tools.svg From 29 June git.wikimedia.org (running Gitblit) will redirect all requests to Phabricator. The vast majority of requests should be correctly redirected.
 * Catalan and Polish Wikipedias will have Wikidata descriptions added to articles in the mobile view by default. This is currently a beta option for the mobile versions. This might come to other wikis later.

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She's back and needs to be blocked...again.
User talk:58.166.99.234 is Mary Kember...again. Changed Simon Diamond to living in New South Wales....sound familiar? Somehow her name persisted on his infobox as his spouse for some time. I don't know how anyone missed it, but I removed it...again. Crash Under ride  16:46, 28 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Blocked, cleaned up the article a little more, and added pending-changes protection. Thanks &mdash; MusikAnimal  talk  17:20, 28 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Glad to help. We work well together. lol. Crash Under ride  19:19, 28 June 2016 (UTC)

What Culture Pro Wrestling
User:WhatCulture Pro Wrestling....do I need to say more? Crash Under <font color="Purple">ride  19:18, 28 June 2016 (UTC)
 * WP:SOFTBLOCK since the edits don't seem that promotional, just the username does. Cheers &mdash; MusikAnimal  talk  19:30, 28 June 2016 (UTC)

Request to put a semi protected to GMA Network Inc.
GMA Network Inc. is a company and I would suggest to put a semi protected to this page for disruptive editing to this article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kazaro (talk • contribs) 08:43, 29 June 2016 (UTC)

Editing News #2—2016
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COI
It would appear that User talk:Jdchapman15 is Justin Chapman and has edited the Chapman article recently. I had to clean it up, ya know, remove external links from the body of the text, type stuff. Just a heads up. <font color=" #0D98BA">Crash <font color="Purple">Under <font color="Purple">ride  00:24, 1 July 2016 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

 * My pleasure! However this is still an issue with your signature. If you are using four tildes to sign ( ~ ) than that means you've changed your signature in your settings so that it doesn't link to your userpage or talk page. This is a problem because people won't know it's you that wrote the message. In Special:Preferences, under "Signature", uncheck "Treat the above as wiki markup" and hit save. That should keep your current signature, "sheridanford", but have it link back to your userpage so we more easily contact you. Thanks! &mdash; MusikAnimal  talk  21:14, 30 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Thanks I fixed the preferences last night during the Wiki Loves Pride edit-a-thon at MoMa in NYC.--sheridanford (talk) 01:09, 1 July 2016 (UTC)

2016 GA Cup-Wrap Up
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The Working Wikipedian's Barnstar User talk:MusikAnimal (section)
— Preceding unsigned comment added by 186.71.72.53 (talk) 16:54, 4 July 2016 (UTC) <!-good job
 * Thanks, I think &mdash; MusikAnimal  talk  17:17, 4 July 2016 (UTC)

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Tech News: 2016-27
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Recent changes
 * A daily email summary of notifications could be sent even when there were no notifications from the wiki. Now no email will be sent if there is no activity.

Changes this week
 * The "" button in the visual editor's toolbar will move into the "" menu except for Wikipedias, Wikibookses and Wikiversities. This is to make it less prominent on wikis that don't use it as much.
 * Octicons-sync.svg The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 5 July. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 6 July. It will be on all wikis from 7 July (calendar).

Meetings
 * You can take part in the next office hour for Wikidata on IRC on July 8 at 16:00 (UTC). See how to join.

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Random Pageview API question
Hi MusikAnimal! Quick random Pageview API question – is there a way to "force" the bar-chart format version (or any graph format version, really) to take the y-axis scale to "zero"? Right now, it looks like it sets the "minimum" value for the y-axis to roughly the minimum number of page views over the displayed time range. But it would be useful in at least some cases to set the y-axis minimum to "zero" for display purposes... --IJBall (contribs • talk) 07:40, 2 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Someone had the same request on meta. Could you provide an example (use the Permalink button) where starting at zero would be preferable? I feel like we'd want to better illustrate fluctuations in the data, see the screenshots here. I am going to at least add a setting to always start at zero, but haven't decided if it should be defaulted on &mdash; MusikAnimal  talk  16:13, 2 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Well, I recently used vs.  in a WP:RM discussion, and I think the point I was making might have been clearer if both charts went to "zero". Same thing |The_Lying_Game_(book_series) here. Note that I'm not saying I think it "has" to always show "zero" every time – just that it would be nice if there was an option to reset the y-axis scale to zero if a user wants it. (Kind of like the "log scale" checkbox option...) Your github page I think shows the difference pretty clearly, and why it might be preferable to have to "zero-scale" option. I definitely think having that option will make trying to establish true WP:PRIMARYTOPICs in RM discussions easier. FWIW! Thanks! --IJBall (contribs • talk) 18:38, 2 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Thank you for the examples! I now see what you mean. I'm going to try to make it intelligently decide whether to start at zero. It looks like if the lowest value is say, less than 500, we might as well bring it down to zero. My examples on the GitHub page are more extreme, as the lowest value is 6,000, so starting at zero would take up a substantial amount of real estate on the chart. So anyway, look forward to this update! Best &mdash; MusikAnimal  talk  18:50, 2 July 2016 (UTC)
 * As for article comparison, I'm going to hope people will know that you can do this on the same chart, rather than opening up two different tabs and comparing it that way. Do you think it's clear that the "Pages" is an input field? Any recommendations for UI improvement greatly appreciated :) &mdash; MusikAnimal  talk  18:53, 2 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Heh. Funny you should mention that. Originally, I wanted to do a comparison chart at the Talk:The Lying Game (TV series) RM, but I couldn't figure out how to do it because the URL has a "|" character – e.g. https://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews/?project=en.wikipedia.org&platform=all-access&agent=user&start=2016-06-12&end=2016-07-01&pages=The_Lying_Game_(TV_series) – and I couldn't figure out how to get the link to display properly on the Talk page. But I was able to do it above... Also, I had never noticed the "Permalink" button before this discussion. It's possible that both of these things would have helped me in The Lying Game RM posting... Oh well! --IJBall (contribs • talk) 19:14, 2 July 2016 (UTC)
 * I see. If you copy/paste the URL to a multi-article chart on wiki, it will ignore the pipe unless you explicitly make it an external URL with [ ]. Additionally, the pipe character becomes encoded to %7C when you click the link. This is OK and won't confuse the Pageviews tool because pipe characters can never been in page name, for instance | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/|. I realize this is not clear to anyone. Maybe I should encode the pipe character in the URL of the tool, but then it might be unclear how to manually append pages. Eh... no happy medium, I suppose! About the Permalink, I'm struggling to get that and the other buttons ("Chart type", etc.) to be more prominent. They used to be at the bottom and no one ever saw them &mdash; MusikAnimal  talk  19:34, 2 July 2016 (UTC)

Try it out here. Does this look good? I didn't add the logic to automatically start at zero, instead showing a simple option as you recommended. I also wasn't sure what the best wording would be. I figure people will see "Begin at zero", click it, and hopefully figure out what it does. "Show y-axis starting at zero" is simply too long &mdash; MusikAnimal  talk  19:48, 4 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Awesome! I love it! And it seems to work perfectly the few ways I tried it. I'd definitely add that option to the main app! --IJBall (contribs • talk) 19:54, 4 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Deployed! I also added a setting to always show the y-axis starting at zero. Many thanks for your feedback :) &mdash; MusikAnimal  talk  20:16, 4 July 2016 (UTC)

TAFI
Hi MuskiAnimal: There seems to be a glitch at the TAFI Schedule page. Squeegee was selected as a weekly article, which is denoted at Wikipedia talk:Today's articles for improvement § The TAFI article for Week 30 of 2016, but the schedule page for the entry has some errors. So, bringing this to your attention. Also, thanks for your contributions to TAFI and elsewhere. North America1000 14:37, 4 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Fixed! The bot didn't recognize ? as a value for icon (and it isn't, accordingly to the documentation). Easy fix. Thanks for the letting me know &mdash; MusikAnimal  talk  17:39, 4 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Thanks for hooking up the corrections, much appreciated. North America1000 02:28, 5 July 2016 (UTC)

Hello from Nepali keto62
Hello how to see my mainspace edits ? Can I get rollback right now? What is my mainspace edit couns ? Nepali Keto 62 <sup style="color:#2EB347;">Talk to me 12:58, 3 July 2016 (UTC)
 * This tool is pretty invaluable when it comes to analysing edit counts. It looks like you're at ~72 mainspace edits, which is below the minimum of 200. Don't be discouraged though! Keep plugging away with your anti-vandalism and you'll be there in no time --  samtar talk or stalk 14:52, 4 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Please help me how can I see my mainspace edits. I can only see my edits which are about 350 but help me to see mainspace edits too.  Nepali Keto 62 <sup style="color:#2EB347;">Talk to me 23:57, 4 July 2016 (UTC)
 * If you want a count of your mainspace edits, the above tool Samtar mentioned will work, or you could try this tool. If you want to see your mainspace edits, you can use Special:Contributions and select "(Article)" to show only mainspace edits, like this. Hope this makes sense. You're still at 72 mainspace edits, but not to worry – you can still fight vandalism without rollback. No need to rush! :) &mdash; MusikAnimal  talk  02:59, 5 July 2016 (UTC)

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Help
Hello as stated by you I am fond of helping others in your User page I am requesting you to create a bot for me. Please help me.  Nepali Keto 62 <sup style="color:#2EB347;">Talk to me 13:54, 5 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Hey! I'm always happy to help new users, but creating a bot is a lot of work that I'm not sure I can commit to right now. However we have a team of bot operators who may be willing to help. You can create a bot request at Bot requests. Try to be detailed in what you are looking for. Hope this helps &mdash; MusikAnimal  talk  16:21, 5 July 2016 (UTC)

Protection expiration report bot
Hi Musik, a rolling report of "FPP/EPP expiring in the next 24 hours" or the like may be useful. The bot would only need to update a report page so it would be low-impact. Another (more ambitious) route may be to look for protection changes where (new level > old level)&&(new expiration < old expiration) - and have it talk page the new protector when it is getting ready to expire maybe....I'm still brain stroming - any thoughts? — xaosflux  Talk 02:13, 6 July 2016 (UTC)
 * I originally wanted the bot to do the actual restoring of the old protection level, assuming it was indefinite or otherwise would still be active. But that means adminbot which means probably not going to happen :) And I guess there would be some cases where that would be undesirable. Twinkle has some similar logic around protection levels that could be adapted for your idea. I think reporting to the admin's talk page would be preferable over pings too, otherwise we'd might end up with a messy report page (one line per ping). The bot could also be exclusion complaint for admins who wish not be contacted &mdash; MusikAnimal  talk  02:24, 6 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Will need to poll a bunch of admins that make protection to see what they actually want for talk messages---not sure where to go with this, but a report page may be useful. — xaosflux  Talk 02:28, 6 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Cool :) For now I'm volunteering to write such a task that will report in the MusikBot-space, perhaps polling the protection log every half hour as that should be relatively inexpensive. Note we could still do pings (requiring broader input, of course), something like this, with another table for ECP. Each entry added means a new line and that an echo notification would be triggered with the signature &mdash; MusikAnimal  talk  02:55, 6 July 2016 (UTC)

MusikBot
I saw ur bot makes comments on permission pages telling no. Of user edits. This can be a breakthrough technology. U can give the public a code which wherever placed will show that users edit count. And u can instruct the bot to tell the no of edits of the user at that place where the code is. Now such edit counter exists on wiki till now. But u can develop this breakthrough tech. Just an idea. Thanks. Ping me pls -- Varun  &#9742;   15:35, 5 July 2016 (UTC)
 * I like the idea! However this would require consensus and a new bot request for approval. What use cases did you have in mind? Maybe you wanted to put the code on your userpage so that you can see your updated edit count? &mdash; MusikAnimal  talk  16:25, 5 July 2016 (UTC)
 * that was one of the, main use was for templates like Template:Service award progress and many others which now go manual probabky u could add that feature in prev bot no? This idea can be proposed at a place where large group discusses it like centralized discussion -- Varun  &#9742;   16:31, 5 July 2016 (UTC)
 * The bot is only approved to edit on the WP:PERM pages. MusikBot would have to write to a dedicated page for each user, similar to how adminstats works, e.g. see Template:Adminstats/MusikAnimal. It would be somewhat complicated to make this work with service award progress, but it is possible. I will talk to some people about this idea and see what they think :) &mdash; MusikAnimal  talk  16:38, 5 July 2016 (UTC)
 * thnx I had another question cannot a code be directly written to show edits of a user -- Varun  &#9742;   16:45, 5 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Yes I was thinking we could do something like  which would return the number of edits in the mainspace (0 is the namespace number for the mainspace), as opposed to say   which would show the nonautomated edits in the mainspace, or even   to show the number of articles you've created. You could then transclude these into your service award progress template and it would work. AND I just realized that if I have MusikBot write to it's own userspace (subpages within User:MusikBot), then I may not need prior approval. I will ask the bot approvers about this, because I do like your idea! &mdash;  MusikAnimal  talk  16:51, 5 July 2016 (UTC)
 * There is a Wikipedia tool at Tools/Navigation popups which people can install. It shows the number of edits, date of first edit, and existing user rights if you hover your cursor over the person's name. This might be an answer to Varun's need. --MelanieN (talk) 17:00, 5 July 2016 (UTC)
 * I think they want to use it within service award progress, which indeed involves only the simple edit count, and I wasn't really looking to answer that need since there are a ton of gadgets that do that. But mainspace edits, non-automated mainspace edits, etc, and other stats that auto-update could be a nice feature to offer, and we'd also have a dedicated subpage for raw edit count, which could be transcluded where service award progress is used &mdash; MusikAnimal  talk  17:31, 5 July 2016 (UTC)

thnx all Varun   &#9742;   05:09, 6 July 2016 (UTC)

Response helper
Hey, can "Pages are not protected pre-emptively." be linked to WP:NO-PREEMPT? --<b style="color:navy">Neil N </b> <i style="color:blue">talk to me</i> 15:53, 7 July 2016 (UTC)
 * I'm assuming you meant in RFPP, which responseHelper uses. Fixed here. Best! &mdash; MusikAnimal  talk  16:23, 7 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Thank you. --<b style="color:navy">Neil N </b> <i style="color:blue">talk to me</i> 16:25, 7 July 2016 (UTC)

Bot help
Hello I know you are a bot operator. This account is also bot of my original account Nepali keto62. I created this account and I can give program to this bot but where should I give the program. In user page or somewhere else ???? Please reply with answer.  Nepali bot 62  Talk to me |undefined 13:20, 8 July 2016 (UTC)
 * First off, do not edit from your bot account. Use your main account for discussion, your bot account should be for automated edits only. Please review Creating a bot before moving any further with your bot. What are you trying to do? Once you decide on what you want your bot to do, you will need to request approval at WP:BRFA. Note that bot operators are generally experienced users, so I wonder if you should be attempting to write a bot in the first place. Instead I recommend seeking help from experienced bot operators at WP:BOTREQ. If the task is worthwhile and there is consensus to carry it out, they may be able to write the task for you using their bot account. Hope this helps &mdash; MusikAnimal  talk  15:53, 8 July 2016 (UTC)
 * thanks now I will not edit from next acxount. Please say where I should give program to my bot ?????  Nepali Keto 62  Talk to me 00:45, 9 July 2016 (UTC)
 * I have sent sthing on ur talk i think u wont be in much trouble. Plus try to prevent sockpuppetry by declaring ur alternate accounts according to policy. You'll be getting big trouble on the way unless you mend your ways Varun   &#9742;   18:23, 8 July 2016 (UTC)
 * It sounds like you don't understand how bots work, or how to write one. That means you probably should shift your focus to other areas of the project. Sorry I cannot help you further &mdash; MusikAnimal  talk  00:47, 9 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Okay but what types of works or projects are good for me ???  Nepali Keto 62  Talk to me 00:56, 9 July 2016 (UTC)

Tech News: 2016-28
<section begin="technews-2016-W28"/> Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent changes
 * A new image scaler fixed a number of bugs for showing SVG files. Some new problems turned up.
 * Notifications are grouped by types. They are now counted by number of notifications and not by unread groups. That change may increase the number of notifications displayed. The earlier way of counting was often incorrect. Unread notifications will also be displayed first.
 * Special:Notifications now has a maximum width for the notifications list on desktop computers. This allows long titles and descriptions to be cut properly. Notifications are now also better parsed.

Problems
 * On 5 July Wikimedia Commons had problems and could not be edited for 20 minutes. For a short while after that the recent changes log and some gadgets were not working properly. It affected administrative actions on other projects too.
 * Users who have multiple unread notifications can mark them as read by visiting Special:Notifications page on their wiki.

Changes this week
 * Octicons-sync.svg The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 12 July. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 13 July. It will be on all wikis from 14 July (calendar).

Meetings
 * Octicons-sync.svg You can join the next meeting with the VisualEditor team. During the meeting, you can tell developers which bugs you think are the most important. The meeting will be on 12 July at 19:00 (UTC). See how to join.

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Request for semi protected
sir, please make my userpage as semi protected. Niezwmxa Boro 13:15, 12 July 2016 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Niezwmxa Boro (talk • contribs)
 * No. There is no reason to nor will we allow you to spam false userboxes. Clubjustin  Talkosphere  13:20, 12 July 2016 (UTC)

Russian IP active here and on nl-wiki and cross wiki
Hello, you blocked 188.32.96.255 for "block evasion". Now this Russian IP is doing language adding (pov pushing) on nl-wiki where I am admin. Can you help me by telling the account since we have several cross wiki pov-pushers from that region also (and crosswiki) active on nl-wiki so I can get into this and if needed also take measures on nl-wiki. Thanx in advance for your help. I now see you blocked the range even so it is not so static. MoiraMoira (talk) 10:59, 12 July 2016 (UTC) (nl-wiki admin and global sysop)
 * Adding: Sofar I found 188.32.101.127, 188.32.100.23, 188.32.100.140, 188.32.97.245 and‎ 188.32.96.255 cross wiki. MoiraMoira (talk) 11:20, 12 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Sounds like a job for a steward. I will ping some folks &mdash; MusikAnimal  talk  18:51, 12 July 2016 (UTC)
 * No, that I did already - I wanted to know which LTA this was and assumed you would know as you gave block evation as block reason. . In the mean time I found him/her here after a long search so solved it myself and now know the modus operandi. Thank you for replying. MoiraMoira (talk) 19:43, 14 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Wow, I guess I've ran into them before and didn't realize it =P As of late I know they vandalize WP:AIV frequently, and harass particular patrollers. Thanks for pointing out the SPI, this helps! &mdash; MusikAnimal  talk  20:03, 14 July 2016 (UTC)

Help needed
Hi i was designing something for my userpage it looks like given below. If u see its code it offers alarm clock facility using Template:Alarm clock a calendar using Template:Calendar and a Digital clock using User:Anakin101/digiclock They all have parameters. I dont need all but when i transclude this from one of my subpages, I wont some basic parameters available like alarm parameter and time zone offset parameter. So what is the code ill need to write on the subpage that shall be transcluded to offer the 2 parameters. Thanks and regards VarunFEB2003 (talk) 13:35, 13 July 2016 (UTC)

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 * Sorry I haven't gotten around to this, a little busy at the moment. The userpage design center may be able to help &mdash; MusikAnimal  talk  16:51, 16 July 2016 (UTC)

Mass delete
Is there a way to mass delete pages not created recently? --<b style="color:navy">Neil N </b> <i style="color:blue">talk to me</i> 05:57, 16 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Oh I see, so Special:Nuke only allows recent creations. Lame. I guess we need to update Twinkle to have D-Batch and P-Batch work on any Special page. Right now it only works on Special:PrefixIndex, and any page other than an article. One crappy way to do this is to copy/paste the list of pages into your sandbox, then make all the page titles into wikilinks, and D-Batch will pick it up. I have a nifty text editor that makes it really easy to alter lots of similar text (with multiple cursors), so I created the list for you . I've also added a TODO in the Twinkle code. Best &mdash; MusikAnimal  talk  16:48, 16 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Thank you. Cabal crony. Heh. Having batch deletion work on watchlists is useful because you can filter on page creations that have no other edits. And Sublime Text... might have to check it out and see if it's better than what I've been using for the last twenty years, TextPad. --<b style="color:navy">Neil N </b> <i style="color:blue">talk to me</i> 16:59, 16 July 2016 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

 * Thank you !! The RfC probably could have been planned better, but glad to hear my insight was helpful :) Cheers &mdash; MusikAnimal  talk  04:42, 18 July 2016 (UTC)

Tech News: 2016-29
<section begin="technews-2016-W29"/> Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent changes
 * Due to the rollback, new sorting of Notifications on the Fly-Out Menus has been deployed with a delay.
 * Octicons-tools.svg Due to the rollback, the daily special patch deployment process has been changed.
 * In notifications, "Messages" are now called "".

Problems
 * On July 12 all wikis were rolled back to MediaWiki 1.28.0-wmf.8 due to a problem in the log-in system.

Changes this week
 * Octicons-sync.svg The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 19 July. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 20 July. It will be on all wikis from 21 July (calendar).
 * Special:Log now has a help link.
 * The RevisionSlider can be tested on the beta cluster. From 22 July, it will be available as a beta feature at:, ,

Meetings
 * Octicons-sync.svg You can join the next meeting with the VisualEditor team. During the meeting, you can tell developers which bugs you think are the most important. The meeting will be on 19 July at 19:00 (UTC). See how to join.
 * Octicons-tools.svg You can join the next meeting with the Architecture committee. The topic this week is "Devise plan for a cross-wiki watchlist back-end". The meeting will be on 20 July at 21:00 (UTC). See how to join.

Future changes
 * User scripts and bots can no longer use http:// to edit wiki pages.
 * Octicons-tools.svg Gerrit is going to be updated. Developers are invited to test it.

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Mail
VarunFEB2003 (talk) 12:41, 16 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Hi?What was the result? VarunFEB2003 (talk) 13:06, 18 July 2016 (UTC)

Pageviews Analysis - smaller-than-unit increments are unnecessary
Dear MusikAnimal,

I have just created a new suggestion at the Talk-page of Pageviews Analysis at Wikimedia's Meta-Wiki. User User:Samwalton9, who is an administrator at the English Wikipedia, suggested me to also notify you hereof. If you could perhaps know a way to take this further?

Kind regards,

(Verheyen Vincent (talk) 23:00, 18 July 2016 (UTC)).
 * Yep, myself and other maintainers watch the meta page closely so we can chat there. I saw your suggestion and am already working on a fix! :) &mdash; MusikAnimal  talk  23:12, 18 July 2016 (UTC)

Thank you and a suggestion about PageViews Analysis Tool
Hello MusikAnimal,

First, I would like to thank you for granting my request for Pending Changes Reviewer rights.

Next, I visited the Pageviews Analysis Tool. It looks great! In addition to the change mentioned by a prior visitor to your talkpage here, about scaling the y-axis so that only integer values of the number of views are displayed, I noticed something odd about the logarithmic scale option for line charts. In the settings, logarithmic scale can be chosen every time, or whenever the Pageviews analysis tool considers it to be appropriate. (I don't know what your criteria for determining when logarithmic scaling is appropriate, although I am curious!) I am seeing examples where the tool chooses logarithmic scale even when it is not appropriate. Specifically, whenever there are zero pageviews in a day, the logarithmic chart displays no value at all for that day. I understand why that happens, because log(1) = 0 for one page view, but log(0) is undefined for zero pageviews. When that is the case, with zero page views during the time interval queried, shouldn't the y-axis display base 10 numbers only?

I will make a note of this on the Pageviews Analysis talk page, and provide an example there. FeralOink (talk) 01:00, 19 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Replying there! :) &mdash; MusikAnimal  talk  01:15, 19 July 2016 (UTC)

Tools down
The X! tools tool Articles created and Edit count maintained by you are not working as of 13:44:40 19 July 2014. Please look into the issue. Examples screenshots:   Regards, <font color="#FF9933">KC  Velaga <font color="#128807">☚╣✉╠☛  13:53, 19 July 2016 (UTC)
 * All set. I think this was because of some Labs maintenance &mdash; MusikAnimal  talk  15:41, 19 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Thank you. Regards, <font color="#FF9933">KC Velaga <font color="#128807">☚╣✉╠☛  00:06, 20 July 2016 (UTC)

User script help needed
Can you tell me where I went wrong at User:Music1201/introNotice.js. Instead of inserting the edit notice to Wikipedia:Village_pump_(proposals), it inserts it on every page. How do I fix it? Thanks. &mdash; Music1201  talk  00:05, 20 July 2016 (UTC)


 * Try replacing  with


 * If you wish to add the edit notice to the new section tab as well, replace  with   - NQ  (talk)  02:08, 20 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Ahh, thanks. &mdash; Music1201  talk  02:53, 20 July 2016 (UTC)

Are the stats of alternative article names...
...which redirect to an article, treated the same as they were in the Stat.Grok era?

Dear MusikAnimal,

First of all --> great tool! Thanks!

I've asked a question on the village pump about a year ago: 

And was wondering whether still pageviews are counted separately for the different urls, such that sum(daily_pageviews) across all urls which end up displaying a specific article, is indeed the sum of pageviews for that day. (i.e. we're not counting any page view twice).

On the wikipedia page of this tool it seems to suggest this is the case: "However, you can see how often a targeted redirect to a section of a page or a shortcut to a project or Help page (or a section thereof) is used by entering the shortcut."

Cheers, MichaelWhite1982 (talk) 15:39, 19 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Each page is counted separately, so a redirect will have its own pageviews apart from the target. For example |Barak_Obama Barack Obama vs Barak Obama. I think the Analytics team is planning to make the pageviews count toward the target, see T121912. I can see why you would want to see the pageviews of a given redirect, though, perhaps to find out which redirect is used the most. One case where this is not favourable is when a page has been moved, and the old title became a redirect. For this I hope to implement a workaround, see GitHub issue #26. It's a bit tricky but I hope to get around to it at some point. Anyway if you want to search for redirects in the pageviews tool, select "Autocompletion including redirects" as your search method in the Settings. Best &mdash; MusikAnimal  talk  15:43, 20 July 2016 (UTC)

A technical problem
Hi MusikAnimal, I was wondering if you might know how to fix a problem concerning a link in the Olympic category. I was working on an Olympic golf page, and I noticed that the "GolfAt2016SummerOlympics" header is actually taking us to the Triathlon page, instead of the Golf page. This is a strange problem and I don't know why it is doing that. Can you or someone else possibly repair the problem for us? Thanks. Johnsmith2116 (talk) 09:23, 20 July 2016 (UTC)


 * - NQ (talk)  10:44, 20 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Thank you for assisting with both of the above inquiries! :D &mdash;  MusikAnimal  talk  15:44, 20 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Thanks and MusikAnimal, it is working properly now. Johnsmith2116 (talk) 22:23, 20 July 2016 (UTC)

The Signpost: 21 July 2016
<div class="hlist" style="margin-top:10px; font-size:90%; padding-left:5px; font-family:Georgia, Palatino, Palatino Linotype, Times, Times New Roman, serif;"> * Read this Signpost in full * Single-page * Unsubscribe * MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 13:20, 21 July 2016 (UTC)

MusikBot/PermClerk
Is this WAI? Yes, the user is not on the CheckPage, but the message is being repeated. —&thinsp;JJMC89&thinsp; (T·C) 17:01, 21 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Haha! The bot doesn't know that was a request for removal of the right, so you have to force it to archive as done with d. Otherwise it complains thinking the admin forgot to add them to the CheckPage. The redundant duplicated comments is in fact a bug... so will look into that! Best &mdash; MusikAnimal  talk  18:11, 21 July 2016 (UTC)
 * I knew there was an override, but I couldn't remember the template name. I have documented it. Thanks. —&thinsp;JJMC89&thinsp; (T·C) 18:26, 21 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Thanks, it's in the admin instructions but I guess no one reads that stuff hah. Also realized I need to update Wikipedia:Requests for permissions/Administrator instructions/General to have instructions for AWB &mdash; MusikAnimal  talk  18:35, 21 July 2016 (UTC)