User talk:MusikAnimal/Archive 32

Protection level of Jat people
Sir, you changed protection level of Jat people in April 2016. Kindly reconsider the protection level of the article so as to invite more and more constructive edits. -Slathuri (talk) 14:17, 5 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Sorry, this is protected due to persistent disruption. You can however make an edit request for the changes you would like to make. Hope this helps &mdash; MusikAnimal  talk  16:53, 5 September 2016 (UTC)

Tech News: 2016-36
 Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent changes
 * Word-level diffs now work in longer paragraphs.
 * Interactive maps now have a frame by default. This is to make them look like other multimedia objects. This affects all Wikivoyages, the Catalan, Hebrew, Macedonian Wikipedias and Meta.
 * Octicons-tools.svg When you preview the MediaWiki:Captcha-ip-whitelist page it will show a validation output of the listed IP addresses instead of the list of addresses only. This can help you to identify if your whitelist rules will work or not.

Changes this week
 * You will be able to use  on all Wikipedias. It creates a link to a full screen map.
 * Sometimes when you mention another user they don't get a notification. You will be able to get a notification when you successfully send out a mention to someone or be told if they did not get a notification. This will be opt-in.
 * Octicons-sync.svg The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 6 September. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 7 September. It will be on all wikis from 8 September (calendar).

Meetings
 * Octicons-sync.svg You can join the next meeting with the VisualEditor team. During the meeting, you can tell developers which bugs you think are the most important. The meeting will be on 6 September at 19:00 (UTC). See how to join.

Future changes
 * Octicons-tools.svg The CheckUser extension could work differently in the future. There is a Request for Comments to figure out how.

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Page views
I would like to be able to run off the number of page views for articles in Category:History of the Paralympic movement in Australia articles for the month of August. But it contains 941 pages, and Massviews Analysis only gives me a figure for the first 200 pages. Any idea how this can be done? Hawkeye7 (talk) 02:35, 5 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Well for starters, it should show 500 pages and not 200. I can fix that soon, but also I hope to add a "pagination" sort of feature, where you can then run on the next batch of 500 pages. I've created T144760 for this. The 500-page restriction per run is there because of performance issues on the backend, see T124314 for info. Once that's resolved, we should be able to run the tool on any number of pages, but it's unclear when this will happen. So in short, I should be able to add a workaround allowing you to get data on all 941 pages. Best &mdash; MusikAnimal  talk  17:02, 5 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Thank you! That would be much appreciated. Hawkeye7 (talk) 17:31, 5 September 2016 (UTC)

responseHelper
Thanks for the really cool tool! I do have a suggestion to make: for some reason, the tool doesn't work fully when the UI is in a language other than English (the shortcuts to the noticeboards work fine, but not the templated reasons). It isn't a big problem whatsoever (after all, if a person is an admin on enwiki, their English proficiency should necessarily be good!), but if this takes the most minimal of efforts to fix, it would be great if you could :) . Cheers, MikeLynch (talk) 16:00, 1 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Happy to look into it! &mdash; MusikAnimal  talk  16:31, 1 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Should be working now! Let me know if you have any problems. Best &mdash; MusikAnimal  talk  22:40, 1 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Works like a charm, thanks :) MikeLynch (talk) 08:41, 6 September 2016 (UTC)

Block of Wertzt
Hello. You recently blocked. They are now socking from. I would block them myself, but I guess technically I am involved, as I reverted one of their edits yesterday. Could you do the honours? Cheers, Number   5  7  08:47, 6 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Bbb23 beat me to it, but I don't think WP:INVOLVED really applies here. Blatant disruption and WP:DUCKetry would mean to block :) &mdash;  MusikAnimal  talk  15:58, 6 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Cheers. I know, but you know what some people are like... Number   5  7  16:01, 6 September 2016 (UTC)

The Signpost: 06 September 2016
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IP harrassment.
is being harassed by an IP user, see via multiple IPs. This edit under the 185.54.163.155 IP, this edit under the IP 185.54.163.52, and this edit under the IP 185.54.163.195. Note the same type of edit summaries, sarcastic and accusatory. It is believe to the the same user that was previously harassing Warmachine and was banned. I'm assuming a range block may be needed since they keep jumping IPs. (talk page stalker) Crash Under ride  15:12, 8 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Same person, IPs all in same range, geolocate shows Belgium I believe. My talk was semi protected for a few days but once it expired...... Chris "WarMachineWildThing"  Talk to me 15:21, 8 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Personally, not just in regard to WarMachine, I'm getting really tired of people being allowed to harass others and get away with it for longer than they should. But hey, that's just me. lol. (talk page stalker) Crash Under <font color="Purple">ride  15:28, 8 September 2016 (UTC)
 * I think there's too much collateral damage for a /24 rangeblock. I've semied your page for four days and blocked the latest IP for two weeks. If they show up anywhere, grab an admin or report to AIV, pointing to this block and citing block evasion. --<b style="color:navy">Neil N </b> <i style="color:blue">talk to me</i> 02:12, 9 September 2016 (UTC)

Ok <b style="color:Red">Chris "WarMachineWildThing" </b> <font color="Blue">Talk to me 02:54, 9 September 2016 (UTC)

manager, script manager
Hi! Great idea and tool. Maybe you would consider add option to group scripts? Like "gropu1":{'script1','script2'},'group2':{'script1','script2'} etc. Not very important, but useful to have let's say editing scripts in one group, admin scripts in second group etc. Don't have ideas on visual "output". -- Edgars2007  (talk/contribs) 12:47, 9 September 2016 (UTC)

Du erhältst einen Orden!

 * For the record, I didn't intend that to be in German :D . MikeLynch (talk) 08:46, 6 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Hehe thank you for the WikiLove! I actually like that it is in German, seems appropriate here :) &mdash; MusikAnimal  talk  15:54, 6 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Absolutely after all your username reflects German too!  Varun  FEB2003    14:21, 9 September 2016 (UTC)

Message from Crash Underride
User:Arley1998 has been creating articles for non-notable people, repeatedly. First it was Lewin Solomon Jr. a friend of theirs, now it's their mother Derlis Richar Swaby Mayo. (talk page stalker) <font color=" #0D98BA">Crash <font color="Purple">Under <font color="Purple">ride  10:26, 10 September 2016 (UTC)
 * I just created the heading for this message  Varun  FEB2003    10:40, 10 September 2016 (UTC)

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Haiku
Hello, how is life?<Br/> This page has been updated!<Br/> Please go check it out!<Br/> A User (contribs) 02:18, 7 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Please see my replies, and also take to heart the original declines that happened but 12 hours ago... Re-requesting was not helpful &mdash; MusikAnimal  talk  22:06, 7 September 2016 (UTC)
 * I noticed edits by IP addresses which were made after the ARB movement which had sat there for months without being reverted! I figured page protection was the easiest way to fix the poor enforcement issue! A User (contribs) 01:20, 9 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Also, it's not a "blanket 'you can't edit this page' game"! Like it or not, it's an OFFICIAL ARBCOM DECISION which explicitly states the following:

All IP editors, accounts with fewer than 500 edits, and accounts with less than 30 days tenure are prohibited from editing any page that could be reasonably construed as being related to the Arab-Israeli conflict. This prohibition may be enforced by reverts, page protections, blocks, the use of pending changes, and appropriate edit filters.
 * Thank you. A User (contribs) 01:46, 9 September 2016 (UTC)
 * I'm very aware of the ArbCom decision, thank you. You, as a patroller, per se, still aren't required to revert any and all edits effected by the decision. Like I said, if someone decides to, I won't argue with them. I'm going to refrain from going on a tangent, but in short, you should use your judgement. Ignore all rules... Based on evidence, Is protecting this article actually preventing disruption? Is reverting an edit made by a non-EC user a good idea if it was otherwise constructive? Put the encyclopedia first. The rules are there to prevent disruption, not to prevent progress. &mdash; MusikAnimal  talk  03:04, 9 September 2016 (UTC)
 * hey there. FYI there's a discussion about how to handle these requests on the RFPP talk page. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Requests_for_page_protection#AE_protection_requests. Ged  UK  10:56, 11 September 2016 (UTC)

Your block of User:Lewdcurry
Please add talk page access to your block of this user. Meters (talk) 19:37, 11 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Are you sure? They clearly abused their talk page access, I think Musik was bang on with removing that quick sharp -- samtar talk or stalk 19:42, 11 September 2016 (UTC)
 * I'm assuming mistyped and meant to request talk page access be revoked &mdash;  MusikAnimal  talk  19:50, 11 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Yes, I meant to ask for the access to be removed. Meters (talk) 19:52, 11 September 2016 (UTC)

User analysis
https://tools.wmflabs.org/xtools-ec/?user=Kudpung&project=en.wikipedia.org is not working. I need some of this info because it required by Arbcom. I have notified the other developers. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 06:38, 11 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Works for me? I'm not sure why you keep having trouble with it. I will say, due to the poor implementation and other environmental implications, the tools do go down occasionally, but they are automatically rebooted within minutes if this happens &mdash; MusikAnimal  talk  17:04, 11 September 2016 (UTC)
 * I've since got it to work. AS I'm practically the only editor on en.Wiki working out of Thailand, I'm beginning to think it's a connectivity issue. Although most US and European sites load very quickly, Wikimedia sites are very slow and often time out or load without the CSS. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 21:29, 11 September 2016 (UTC)
 * That could be it. I think English Wikipedia itself should be pretty snappy, but as I understand it Tool Labs is hosted in Virginia so you may experience some lag. You also have 75,000+ edits, which takes a while to process :) &mdash; MusikAnimal  talk  21:36, 11 September 2016 (UTC)

Tech News: 2016-37
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Recent changes
 * The Wikimedia Commons app for Android can now show nearby places that need photos.
 * and  can now use geodata from Open Street Map if Open Street Map has defined a region and given it an ID in Wikidata. You can use this to draw on the map and add information.

Changes this week
 * The RevisionSlider will be available as a beta feature on all wikis from 13 September. This will make it easier to navigate between diffs in the page history.
 * Octicons-tools.svg A new user right will allow most users to change the content model of pages.
 * Octicons-sync.svg The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 13 September. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 14 September. It will be on all wikis from 15 September (calendar).

Meetings
 * Octicons-sync.svg You can join the next meeting with the VisualEditor team. During the meeting, you can tell developers which bugs you think are the most important. The meeting will be on 13 September at 19:00 (UTC). See how to join.

Future changes
 * When you search on the Wikimedia wikis in the future you could see results from sister projects in your language. You can read more and discuss how this could work.

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License of pageviews?
Hello! First, thanks for your work with pageviews it is awesome! I was thinking of uploading one of those graphs to Commons, but was unsure of wich license would apply. Could you please give some advice? Ainali (talk) 06:47, 12 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Thanks! I've uploaded one of my own at File:Screenshot of Pageviews tool.png under CC-BY-SA 4.0. You may use the same license. The code is released under the MIT License, but that doesn't really apply to interface, I don't think... Also the interface is very generic so probably doesn't even qualify for copyright. The chart uses the Chart.js library, and their licensing also only appears to apply to the codebase. A link in the description to pageviews would be nice, but that's about the only thing I'd ask for :)Also, mind you if all you need is the chart itself, you can select "PNG" from the "Download" menu in Pageviews, as opposed to creating a screenshot yourself. This also gives the image a transparent background. Best &mdash; MusikAnimal  talk  19:48, 12 September 2016 (UTC)
 * That interface/output may incorporate enough creative choices to qualify for "selection and arrangement" copyright. The underlying data are not copyrightable generally, though. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 19:50, 12 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Thanks! I'll use a screenshot this time since I want to show off a few features. Ainali (talk) 19:59, 12 September 2016 (UTC)
 * No problem. And thanks to for their insight. I'm not sure the formal way to approach this... I don't want anyone copying the interface "selection and arrangement" without proper attribution, as you say, but only in the sense of creating a new tool. I don't mind screenshots. The visual layout I suppose is inherently copyrighted because it is defined in the codebase... and I realize Commons is not MIT-compatible, but as the author I'm giving verbal consent to upload any imagery of the tool. Perhaps I should put this in the FAQ and/or documentation &mdash;  MusikAnimal  talk  20:04, 12 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Is the MIT license you mention commons:Template:MIT? In that case it would be compatible but software copyright licenses can be problematic for reusers when applied to images, hence often ill-advised. For attribution, there are a number of free licenses requiring it (the CC-BY license for example), so that may be a place to look at. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 20:08, 12 September 2016 (UTC)

Hey
Yeah, if you could look at the Ryback section on my talk page, you'll see someone who's been naughty. lol. (talk page stalker) <font color=" #0D98BA">Crash <font color="Purple">Under <font color="Purple">ride  02:06, 13 September 2016 (UTC)

Haiku For Bot
Your Bot is okay. Your bot is not gray. I have a suggestion for your bot. The bot has an idea It has no diarrhea So just one thing. Make it add a template That it will administrate Of protection It'll have no objection.

Basically, could you make it so that MusikBot will also add a template if the article is protected, but with no protection template? Thanks, Dat GuyTalkContribs 20:47, 3 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Hehe, beautiful poem!! :D If we want protection templates to be automatically added, we should really boot up User:Lowercase sigmabot. That's up to if they want to do that, but if not, I might look into it at some point. MusikBot works in a very different way, by checking Category:Wikipedia pages with incorrect protection templates, as opposed to the logs themselves. That being said there's definitely some work involved &mdash;  MusikAnimal  talk  21:12, 3 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Are you a poet also? Wow!  Varun FEB2003    15:37, 9 September 2016 (UTC)


 * Hey, I see you are on wikipedia-en in IRC. Could we discuss something with coding? Cheers, Dat GuyTalkContribs 15:40, 13 September 2016 (UTC)
 * And if you are not on IRC, I've started a mini-project thing here. Dat GuyTalkContribs 15:44, 13 September 2016 (UTC) I'm back on IRC, sorry for the delay

Longer block for IP?
Hello MusikAnimal. You've blocked this IP in the past, and I've just got a request to look into their behavior. This IP editor is constantly changing chart positions without any apparent sourcing, and has never left a post on article talk or user talk. What would you think of a longer block, say one or two years? EdJohnston (talk) 01:50, 13 September 2016 (UTC)
 * User talk:EdJohnston
 * User talk:EdJohnston
 * I would go with 6 months or a year, but your call. Definitely warranted. This is a static IP who has exerted the same behaviour for some time, with no sign that they'll change their ways &mdash; MusikAnimal  talk  17:10, 13 September 2016 (UTC)

Re: Autopatrolled granted
Hi MusikAnimal, thanks a lot for your appreciation (and af course for the autopatrollig rights)! All the best, --Pampuco (talk) 17:25, 14 September 2016 (UTC)

24.107.107.105
Just so you know, he made a personal attack against you in this edit. Do you think he needs his talk page access revoked? Adam9007 (talk) 01:04, 15 September 2016 (UTC)

RevDel/popups bug
Doing this here because I don't want to call big attention to it at VPT. You blocked last night and disabled TPA. After that, another editor started an ANI thread about a different IP who was doing the same thing (it's the section called 24.141.6.209). A comment was made there that several things needed to be hidden.

So I use popups, and I wanted to make sure everything was hidden that needed to be hidden, and I hovered over the link in the ANI report to the 78.127 IP, and his nasty edit summaries were all there. Being the conscientious little busybody that I am, I came to his contribs to hide that stuff, only to see that you had already done it. So why does popups show them?

The same thing happens in the other IPs listed at the ANI report. I don't know if popups is your thing, but it's a seriously ungood bug that seriously needs to be fixed. Can you file a Phabricator ticket and/or get the right guys on it? I don't even know if anybody works on popups now. Katietalk 12:29, 16 September 2016 (UTC)
 * If it has been revision-deleted already, I'm pretty sure there is no way for it to access the edit summary, it's probably your browser's cache. Try clearing it with Ctrl-Shift-R. Although since you're an admin it may be able to access deleted summaries through the API or something, not sure if that's the case here. nyuszika7h (talk) 12:35, 16 September 2016 (UTC)
 * http://i.imgur.com/NqrpvWl.png This is what I'm seeing. Sadly I don't have magic admin powers. - NQ (talk)  12:37, 16 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Thanks, both of you. I hadn't yet gone to the IP's contributions when I used popups, so it couldn't be the cache of a page I hadn't visited. Maybe it is the admin thing that allows me to see it. But that still shouldn't happen. In order to see a hidden diff, we have to manually click through a link, and that goes for edit summaries as well. I'm all for convenience, but I don't care for this. Katietalk 12:52, 16 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Another idea, maybe it's the server-side cache. Perhaps the API was using an older cached response even when the history would have not shown the summary already. nyuszika7h (talk) 12:54, 16 September 2016 (UTC)
 * I actually noticed the same thing! I think Popups uses the API, and since you're authenticated as an admin the edit summaries are visible to you. The native interface however more appropriately makes an indication to you that those revisions are revdel'd, even though you can still see them. This is my theory. There's probably a way to tell that the revisions are revdel'd via the API, in which case Popups could visualize this with a strikethrough. We might want to file a bug report. Best, &mdash; MusikAnimal  talk  17:17, 16 September 2016 (UTC)

It's at T145887. Thanks! :-) Katietalk 17:38, 16 September 2016 (UTC)

A message from Cumbril
Hello! I was wondering if you know how to edit Tools > Page Information > External Tools section? I would like to add link to the Pageviews Analysis external tool in Estonian Wikipedia. But can't seem to find corresponding MediaWiki page (I suppose it is accessible in the MediaWiki namespace). Cumbril (talk) 21:25, 17 September 2016 (UTC)

Cumbril (talk) 21:25, 17 September 2016 (UTC)
 * It's at et:MediaWiki:Pageinfo-footer. To locate interface pages, append  to the URL (example). Another common place to put a pageviews link would be MediaWiki:Histlegend. It will get more visibility there, as most people don't even know about page information, it seems. Best &mdash;  MusikAnimal  talk  21:52, 17 September 2016 (UTC)
 * That is great, thanks! Cumbril (talk) 22:01, 17 September 2016 (UTC)

Pending changes and testing
Hi MusikAnimal, I wasn't able to get the answers I wanted at VPT for now, and was interested in investigating a potential MW pending changes bug involving edit and review (specifically where an editor could review a page that he/she couldn't edit, with the (still unapproved) PC2+ECP PC2+TPROT the most likely offender) I could potentially test this myself at the test site, and I've also filed a request there (citing test, script, and dev reasons). Thanks for your help :) — Andy W.  ( talk  · ctb) 05:34, 19 September 2016 (UTC)
 * I've given you sysop rights on testwiki. I'd be surprised if the bug you speak of exists, but at least it won't be of much concern right now given we aren't using PC2 &mdash; MusikAnimal  talk  05:57, 19 September 2016 (UTC)

Graph needed
Hi MA. I'm no good at this sort of thing so I'm wondering if you could make a logarithmic graph showing the growth of these stats and extrapolating where it will be by the end of the year. I believe even Microsoft XL has tools to do this but I wouldn't know how to go about it: --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 06:52, 19 September 2016 (UTC)
 * 13 July 2016: 7,000
 * 1 August 2016: 9,000
 * 7 August 2016: 10,472
 * 16 August 2016: 11,500
 * 28 August 2016: 13,158
 * 11 September 2016: 13,869
 * 15 September 2016: 14,154
 * 19 September 2016: 14,539
 * how does this look? MA may be able to whiz something better together though! -- samtar talk or stalk 07:22, 19 September 2016 (UTC)


 * That's excellent, thank you very much. In the meantime I was able to cobble something together in Apple Numbers, but of corse I'm unable to make a year-end prediction. Thanks again :) Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 09:00, 19 September 2016 (UTC)

Bot Needed for Nepali wikipedia.
Hello MusikBot, I saw that this bot archive the talk page. Archiving is needed for nepali wikipedia also. Please run this bot in newiki. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 36.253.254.157 (talk) 11:28, 19 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Just to confirm the IP MusikBot only archives WP:PERM page. Normal talk pages are archived by ClueBot III or Lowercase Sigma Bot!  Varun FEB2003    12:47, 19 September 2016 (UTC)

Tech News: 2016-38
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Problems
 * Last week's MediaWiki update was rolled back because of bugs. Creating new accounts did not work between 15 September 19:10 UTC and 16 September 12:50 UTC.

Changes this week
 * Octicons-sync.svg The new version of MediaWiki will hopefully be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 20 September. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 21 September. It will be on all wikis from 22 September (calendar). This is the version that was meant to go out last week.

Meetings
 * Octicons-sync.svg You can join the next meeting with the VisualEditor team. During the meeting, you can tell developers which bugs you think are the most important. The meeting will be on 20 September at 19:00 (UTC). See how to join.
 * Octicons-tools.svg You can join the next meeting with the Architecture committee. The topic this week is multi-content revisions. The meeting will be on 21 September at 21:00 (UTC). See how to join.

Future changes
 * Wikidata will start working on adding support for Wiktionary. The Wikidata development team is now taking one last look at the development plan.

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Two ideas for your consideration, presented here without trepidation
I'm an admin Jim, not a poet!

--<b style="color:navy">Neil N </b> <i style="color:blue">talk to me</i> 20:38, 20 September 2016 (UTC)
 * 1) For RFPP response helper, reword the dr response from "Consider dispute resolution" to "Content dispute. Please use the article's talk page or other forms of dispute resolution"
 * 2) Regarding rangeblocks, I'm thinking of setting up a subpage in my userspace, outlining my thoughts there, and inviting others to join in. Is that a good place or is there somewhere else more appropriate?
 * for #1 I updated RFPP here. For #2, are you referring to T145912, or a guide to range blocking in general? &mdash; MusikAnimal  talk  21:27, 20 September 2016 (UTC)
 * The phab. --<b style="color:navy">Neil N </b> <i style="color:blue">talk to me</i> 23:35, 20 September 2016 (UTC)
 * I'm glad you asked... We (Community Tech) were actually chatting out technical requirements, and before we formally get into that it's probably best if we get input from the community on what they actually want :) So yes, if you want to start something up here on-wiki that'd be great! An on-wiki discussion seems favourable because not everyone has a Phabricator account. I wouldn't start an RfC just yet unless we find something requiring broader input. The need for a IP range contribs tool is pretty much shared by all of us, I think :) My hope is we can get all the requirements scoped out sooner than later, as the techy part might be a long wait &mdash; MusikAnimal  talk  00:14, 21 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Okay, here's my plan. 1) Outline what we have, noting strengths and weaknesses. Outline what I think we need. 2) Invite the editors who posted to my talk page to comment. 3) Post to AN, "Hey admin who doesn't know how to rangeblock. Yeah you." to see if what we came up with would encourage them to start rangeblocking. --<b style="color:navy">Neil N </b> <i style="color:blue">talk to me</i> 00:56, 21 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Sounds great! I really like #3. That's an excellent end goal: Not just make the range blockers' life easier, but to recruit more to do it when appropriate, and hopefully end up with a more stable wiki &mdash; MusikAnimal  talk  01:07, 21 September 2016 (UTC)

AFC Nathan Lee-Pianist
Dear Musikanimal, Could you please review draft: Nathan Lee? I read that you love music and I was wondering if you could help since AFC is backlogged. Thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Musik092 (talk • contribs) 05:22, 19 September 2016 (UTC)
 * I honestly think it looks OK, but Nathan Lee has been deleted numerous times due to lack of notability, and underwent a formal proposed deletion debate that again resulted in deletion. The older version of the article also looked more well-rounded and better sourced. The only thing new I think is Nathan Lee won another award this past July. Maybe that's enough to make him notable... I think it meets criteria #9, . Others may disagree, perhaps those aren't considered "major music competitions". Any insight ? Hopefully you don't mind the ping &mdash; MusikAnimal  talk  05:43, 19 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Hi (no problem to ping me :-), I don't have any strong opinion about this. I took it to AfD (based mainly on its twisted history, pretty straightforward) and implement the "delete" decision (G4) and then to protect it against recreating (also pretty straightforward given its history). I'm not familiar enough with this field to judge whether the additional award is enough to change the outcome of the AfD. I'd recommend to take this to WP:DRV and ping the participants at the previous AfD to see whether there is ground to overturn it. --Randykitty (talk) 07:04, 19 September 2016 (UTC)

Thank you for looking into this! How do you ping the participants at the previous AfD? Is that something I should do? Thanks again. User:Musik092 —Preceding undated comment added 18:12, 19 September 2016 (UTC)
 * I have blocked Musik092 as a ✅ sock, along with, , and . I have designated KoreanWon as the master, but my assumption is some of the earlier blocked accounts promoting Nathan Lee are related; however, they are .--Bbb23 (talk) 12:09, 21 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Well, that makes this easier for me, I guess! Thanks &mdash; MusikAnimal  talk  21:54, 21 September 2016 (UTC)

moremenu
Hi! So I don't know jackshit about coding or javascript or whatever, but I tried to make sense of your code for More Menu and attempted this. It checks for personal js/css subpages and adds it to the userdropdown if it exists. I doubt it's of any interest to normal users but it is quite useful to me. Anyway, I'm wondering if it's possible for me to add this functionality from my common.js or something while loading the gadget, rather than me copying the whole of Moremenu to my userspace and doing this. I'm sure this is a waste of your time, but appreciate any pointers. - NQ (talk)  16:35, 22 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Could you not use Page > Subpages on their userpage and find it that way? Or is that too much work? :) To add your own submenu without copying over the full gadget, you could do all the AJAX stuff in your separate script, then build the markup and append it. So with this approach you wouldn't add your definitions to the userMenuList and show/hide them, rather only add them if the user CSS/JS is found. The code for adding the menu is in generateMenuContent. If you can't figure it out let me know, I'll try to help &mdash; MusikAnimal  talk  18:13, 22 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Got it. I’ll give it a try and let you know. And yeah it is too much work, you try finding monobook.js/common.js at a glance on a page like Special:PrefixIndex/User:MusikAnimal ;) - NQ (talk)  18:29, 22 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Heh, I was going to say just use your browser to search for the text ".js" but I guess I have 32 .js files :) &mdash; MusikAnimal  talk  18:56, 22 September 2016 (UTC)

User:Recent Helpful Contributor
Hi MusikAnimal,

I just wanted to let you know that this user: Wikipedian of the Year also appears to be the user whom you just recently blocked, based on them editing the other account's userpage. Please block, thanks. 208.54.5.223 (talk) 03:19, 23 September 2016 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

 * Thank you!!! This is a barnstar I don't have yet :) And I should give credit where credit is due, which is to Analytics for their incredible work. Making Massviews happen was a team effort, for sure, but impossible without the work of Nuria, Hear, Elukey, and Joal (not sure if these people have SUL accounts but those are their IRC handles :) &mdash; MusikAnimal  talk  21:00, 23 September 2016 (UTC)

User:Leecobrown
User has attacked User:WikiOriginal-9 twice in the last several minutes on WO-9's talk page. (talk page stalker) <font color=" #0D98BA">Crash <font color="Purple">Under <font color="Purple">ride  02:53, 25 September 2016 (UTC)

A cup of coffee for you!

 * Thanks, I need more caffeine! :) &mdash; MusikAnimal  talk  16:11, 26 September 2016 (UTC)

1G?
Hi Musik, I'm not on IRC at the moment otherwise I would have bothered you there plus its a quick one I promise! blockcalc shows the number of affected addresses here to be 1G. Now I get that its a lot of IPv6 addresses which would be affected, but what exactly does that G stand for? It certainly ain't no Googol... -- samtar talk or stalk 14:17, 26 September 2016 (UTC)
 * I assume a billion, as in Giga- (e.g. megabyte versus gigabyte) &mdash; MusikAnimal  talk  16:13, 26 September 2016 (UTC)

Tech News: 2016-39
<section begin="technews-2016-W39"/> Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent changes
 * If your wiki wants numerical sorting in categories you can request it after a community decision. See how to request it.
 * When you edit text and mention a new username they are notified if you add your signature. Before this only happened under certain conditions.
 * Users are notified if they are mentioned in a section where you add your own signature even if you edit more than one section. Before, users were not notified if you edited more than one section in one edit.

Problems
 * The MediaWiki version that was supposed to come to the wikis two weeks ago was put on hold again because of new problems. The MediaWiki version after it is now on all wikis.

Changes this week
 * There will be no new MediaWiki version this week.

Meetings
 * You can join the next office hour with the Wikidata team. The meeting will be on September 27 at 16:00 (UTC). See how to join.

Future changes
 * Octicons-tools.svg Abandoned tools on Tool Labs could be taken over by other developers. There is a new discussion on Meta about this. It will be discussed until 12 October and then voted on.

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Help ASAP
Hi, My userspace is being vandalized can you ECP the whole thing or atleast semi-protect the whole using Twinkle P-Batch tool. 49.126.254.228 vandalized my space and did it so beautifully it took me a minutes to find where he did it and revert it. It was visible on top of my talk! Two pages in my userspace are already protected - User:VarunFEB2003/Tools Lab and User:VarunFEB2003/Subpages. Moreover I do not want User:VarunFEB2003/Guestbook to be protected. You can protect all others with whichever protection you find appropriate (but it should be accessible to me!). If you can please protect my talkspace (including archives) also except my current talk page, User talk:VarunFEB2003/Programs Desk, and User talk:VarunFEB2003/Scripts Desk. Thanks a lot and help would be really really appreciated!  Varun FEB2003    08:33, 26 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Honestly, it was one edit that the IP made on your userspace, and that edit was hardly vandalism - it was more of a test edit, and an edit for which you wrote a "final warning" on the IP's talk page, with final warnings typically needing to be preceded by lower level warnings. What ever happened to assuming good faith? Unless I'm missing some history or backstory here, it looks like needlessly harsh treatment by you. If you want all your user subpages semi protected, just ask for it - policy is not crystal clear on that, as you know, and there might be administrators who are willing to do it. Asking for semi protection of your entire userspace on the basis of one edit that was hardly vandalism comes across as a bit thick to me. MikeLynch (talk) 13:32, 26 September 2016 (UTC)
 * A while ago he told me that if I want my space protected I can ask for it. I worded my message a bit wrong what I actually meant there was I don't want any further vandalism in my space by him or others. Today he vandalized I take care of it by watching him but then tomorrow another IP will come and do the same thing so it will be difficult. I have over 100 subpages and vandalism is not easy to track. I needed a much better solution. I left him a lvl 4 warning because some while ago I saw some users do precisely the same thing when their user/usertalk space was vandalised, I don't remember specifics of I would have provided a diff. It was clearly not a test, he intentionally dug into transclusions of transclusions to do that because the page he did that too isn't visible easily unless someone searches for such a page.  Varun FEB2003    14:52, 26 September 2016 (UTC)
 * I would really appreciate if you do it sir. Thank you  Varun FEB2003    15:04, 26 September 2016 (UTC)
 * I agree with MikeLynch that protecting these pages seems mostly unnecessary, but ok... I've done all but the talk redirects &mdash; MusikAnimal  talk  15:22, 26 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Thanks a lot Sir.  Varun FEB2003    15:34, 27 September 2016 (UTC)

Page move
User:SRZA002 had moved the page Devi (film) to Tutak Tutak Tutiya without discussion, before being blocked. Can we revert this change? Editor 2050 (talk) 18:26, 28 September 2016 (UTC)
 * You should be able to revert them yourself, see the move log &mdash; MusikAnimal  talk  19:20, 28 September 2016 (UTC)

Rollback request

 * No problem, and thanks for the licks :) &mdash; MusikAnimal  talk  20:18, 28 September 2016 (UTC)

GA Cup Announcement
--MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 22:38, 28 September 2016 (UTC)

The Signpost: 29 September 2016
<div class="hlist" style="margin-top:10px; font-size:90%; padding-left:5px; font-family:Georgia, Palatino, Palatino Linotype, Times, Times New Roman, serif;"> * Read this Signpost in full * Single-page * Unsubscribe * MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 04:21, 29 September 2016 (UTC)

User:CSC PADERA
Can you advise why the above-noted user is not "actionable" per the comment on AIV? I'd thought level 4 warning twice by two different editors would warrant a block, even if it's just a temporary one.--Cahk (talk) 18:19, 30 September 2016 (UTC)
 * The issue was removing the speedy tags, and the page has been deleted. No disruption since then, so either way the report is stale. I would normally explain this at AIV but again the report was from nearly 12 hours ago... I didn't think you'd actually see it :) &mdash; MusikAnimal  talk  18:58, 30 September 2016 (UTC)


 * You may wish to check out the new sock account User:Anurag Singh (CSC).--Cahk (talk) 08:27, 1 October 2016 (UTC)

User:Edawnlcoughman88
User:Edawnlcoughman88 may be Edawn Coughman, if so, WP:COI, clearly, and have a look at my talk page (misspelled header is my mistake) and see what the user has posted today. (talk page stalker) <font color=" #0D98BA">Crash <font color="Purple">Under <font color="Purple">ride  14:29, 1 October 2016 (UTC)

One more revdel please
One edit Darn12345yukin made on my talk page was signed by SineBot, and thus the comment is still visible. Can you please revdel it? — MRD2014 (talk · contribs) 00:25, 2 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Done. That one's not that bad, but might as well get all of them :) &mdash; MusikAnimal  talk  00:30, 2 October 2016 (UTC)
 * I figured because you revdeled the other edits, the one with SineBot signing the edit should be revdeled too. — MRD2014 (talk · contribs) 00:44, 2 October 2016 (UTC)

Tech News: 2016-40
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Changes this week
 * Octicons-sync.svg The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 4 October. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 5 October. It will be on all wikis from 6 October (calendar).

Meetings
 * Octicons-sync.svg You can join the next meeting with the VisualEditor team. During the meeting, you can tell developers which bugs you think are the most important. The meeting will be on 4 October at 19:00 (UTC). See how to join.

Future changes
 * Octicons-tools.svg Tidy will be replaced. Instead the HTML 5 parsing algorithm will be used to clean up bad HTML in wikitext. This would cause problems on a number of wikis. They need to be fixed first.


 * will not work on Wikivoyage after 24 October. You should use  instead. If you need help to fix this before 24 October you should ask for it as soon as possible.

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Orphaned non-free image File:Talking Heads - Once in a Lifetime.ogg
 Thanks for uploading File:Talking Heads - Once in a Lifetime.ogg. The image description page currently specifies that the image is non-free and may only be used on Wikipedia under a claim of fair use. However, the image is currently not used in any articles on Wikipedia. If the image was previously in an article, please go to the article and see why it was removed. You may add it back if you think that that will be useful. However, please note that images for which a replacement could be created are not acceptable for use on Wikipedia (see our policy for non-free media).

Note that any non-free images not used in any articles will be deleted after seven days, as described in the criteria for speedy deletion. Thank you. --B-bot (talk) 18:43, 5 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Thank you Mr. B-bot. I think a user accidentally removed the audio sample from the article &mdash; MusikAnimal  talk  18:51, 5 October 2016 (UTC)

RfC for page patroller qualifications
Following up from the consensus reached here, the community will now establish the user right criteria. You may wish to participate in this discussion. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 13:00, 6 October 2016 (UTC)

A message from Aharvell
Thanks for reviewing my article. Do you have a few suggestions on how I can improve the article Harmony, Incorporated from a grade C? Aharvell (talk) 21:12, 8 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Hey! Sorry for the late reply. The C grade I gave it was a rough assessment, and for the record it does not mean it's a bad article by any means :) At quick glance, it looks like it could use more sourcing, particularly in the "Contests" and "Harmony, Inc. Areas" sections. There may be other WP:MOS-related fixes that could be made. I would like to help you with it myself but admittedly I'm tied up with other work right now :( There is some good reading available to learn about how improve the quality of articles: Check out Article development and Writing better articles. That being said I still think you did a superb job, it being your first article! Hope this helps, and keep up the awesome work :) &mdash; MusikAnimal  talk  03:55, 10 October 2016 (UTC)

Tech News: 2016-41
<section begin="technews-2016-W41"/> Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent changes
 * You can show Special:RecentChanges on a page by using . You can now use tag filters by using.
 * The notification badge is coloured if you have notifications. When you check the notification the badge will now turn grey on all wikis instead of just the local one.
 * Colours used in the Wikimedia wikis' main interface changed slightly. This is to make them easier to see for readers and editors with reduced eyesight.

Changes this week
 * Hidden HTML comments will be more visible when you edit with the visual editor.
 * Octicons-sync.svg The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 11 October. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 12 October. It will be on all wikis from 13 October (calendar).

Meetings
 * Octicons-sync.svg You can join the next meeting with the VisualEditor team. During the meeting, you can tell developers which bugs you think are the most important. The meeting will be on 11 October at 19:00 (UTC). See how to join.
 * Octicons-tools.svg You can join the next meeting with the Architecture committee. The topics this week is CREDITS files. The meeting will be on 12 October at 21:00 (UTC). See how to join.

Future changes
 * Language converter syntax will soon no longer work inside external links. Wikitext like  must be replaced. You will have to write   instead. This only affects languages with Language Converter enabled. Examples of such languages are Chinese and Serbian.

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WP:NPPAFC
I intend to send a weekly progress message to all the members ogf the work force. Many of them signed up two weeks ago and hven't responed to any tasks yet. Problem is, despite having set up the Mass Messaging list according to the instructions, it's not working and I've obviously mised somthing. Can you look at The future of NPP and AfC/Work group list and tell me what I have done wrong. Thank, --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 05:03, 9 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Try it now. I deleted the page and recreated it with Special:CreateMassMessageList, which gives it a special content model just for mass message delivery lists. You can easily add/remove recipients now. Where is the message you're trying to send? Make sure it contains a signature/datestamp so bots can archive it &mdash; MusikAnimal  talk  22:15, 9 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Thank's for doing this for me. I've already sent the first bulletin manually to everyone, but I'll be able to use mass messaging for the next one. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 20:52, 10 October 2016 (UTC)

Special:UserGroups
Should be fairly simply to add an alias for this to Special:Userrights, correct? — xaosflux  Talk 21:51, 10 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Probably, but ideally we would make Special:UserRights an alias for Special:UserGroups &mdash; MusikAnimal  talk  21:53, 10 October 2016 (UTC)


 * , I think we should continue to use the same practice we always have when new permissions are created to address the authorisation to carry certain official tasks. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 23:09, 10 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Agree, unless it is WMF-wide it would need to at least be on one of the pumps to make sure we update documentation. Note "aliasing" is basically a redirect for the Special: namespace like how Special:UserLogin/signup sends you to Special:CreateAccount.  —  xaosflux  Talk 23:13, 10 October 2016 (UTC)

PERM header bug
I'm currently seeing "Sorry, please be aware that unregistered users can not be granted permissions due to technical restrictions. Please create an account in order to request user account permissions." at WP:PERM/FM. That's a bug in the header, correct? ~ Rob 13 <sup style="margin-left:-1.0ex;">Talk 03:19, 11 October 2016 (UTC)
 * (talk page stalker) It's because the comment in your common.css is not closed. (tried it with my alt) and I get the same thing. Adding a   at the end of your common.css will fix that problem. Hope this helps. :) — Andy W.  ( talk  · ctb) 03:35, 11 October 2016 (UTC)
 * How on earth did you figure that one out?!? Thanks for your help. It's working again now. ~ Rob 13 <sup style="margin-left:-1.0ex;">Talk 03:37, 11 October 2016 (UTC)
 * An educated guess, but I knew that MusikAnimal recently added an  CSS class at MediaWiki:Group-autoconfirmed.css and uses the class at PERM/Subpage. The fact that you were not getting the no-display config meant that that css wasn't being loaded, so I checked your personal config. MusikAnimal, sorry for the spam :) — Andy W.  ( talk  · ctb) 03:41, 11 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Wow, thanks ! Not sure if I would have thought to check his CSS. You are absolutely correct, I added some code to remove the "add requests" links and show that message for anonymous users, since obviously we can't grant permissions to them. I also refactored a lot of the code to keep each PERM page consistent. I guess we shouldn't worry about others running into this issue, seems like an edge case. Frankly I'm surprised the unconfirmed-show code didn't get loaded, because there's also a sysop-show CSS class around the "assign permissions" links which I'm certain has been visible for . Anyway glad we got it figured out! And no worries about the spam, I don't mind :) &mdash; MusikAnimal  talk  04:09, 11 October 2016 (UTC)

WMF waiting for our NPP short list
Hi, It's now been three weeks since we created the NPP Work Group and we are hoping for a dynamic push forward for the urgent updates and required improvements to the quality control of new pages.

We now have the attention of the WMF and their development team has made page patrolling a top priority. They are already working hard to address some of the major issues.

The success of this depends on our team being able to keep the developers supplied with the feedback they need - if we relax on this they will move on.

If you have not already done so, please complete your list of 10 preferences here as soon as possible from the list at To do - the WMF is waiting for our shortlist. Please note that No.8 (NOINDEX) has already been addressed.

Thanks for all your help. MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 03:29, 13 October 2016 (UTC)