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Thanks for your efforts on pi. Glrx (talk) 17:57, 4 June 2012 (UTC)
 * You are welcome ... it was a lot of fun. And thanks to you for your help with the article! --Noleander (talk) 18:00, 4 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Congrats on raising such an important article to FA, that must have been a ton of work. I wish I had gotten around to reviewing it before it was promoted. Mark Arsten (talk) 20:16, 4 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks. It was a lot of work.  I'll have another article at FAC next week:  Smith Act trials of Communist Party leaders ... it is more complex and provocative than pi, and could be interesting to review.  --Noleander (talk) 20:23, 4 June 2012 (UTC)

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No Gods, No Masters
Thank You for your contributions to the article No Gods, No Masters. Your work and support for this article remaining on Wikipedia are appreciated.TurtleMelody (talk) 18:17, 6 June 2012 (UTC)
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Sawtooth National Forest Review
Thanks for your review of Sawtooth National Forest. Your comments are invaluable, and I'll be revising it over the next week in preparation for upgrading its status.

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Re: Pi
Ahh, whoops. I should have checked a little farther than just the GA+ icon on the article before removing it from the template. My apologies for that! And I wouldn't worry about the bronze star and whatnot. The bots are sometimes slow to update (as noted, can take a couple days), but they'll get there. Congrats on the vital topic FA! Resolute 13:47, 7 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks. No problem on the mistake:  I've made my fair share of them :-) --Noleander (talk) 15:49, 8 June 2012 (UTC)

DNA nanotechnology back at FAC
I wanted to let you know that DNA nanotechnology is up for a second FAC. Your comments on the first FAC were very helpful, and I've made extensive upgrades to the article since then. I'm hoping that you'll revisit the article for this second FAC. Thanks! Antony–22 (talk⁄contribs) 20:57, 7 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Done. --Noleander (talk) 15:49, 8 June 2012 (UTC)

Pi
22/7 seems like a stretch for date relivance. Why not wait until March 14th?  S ven M anguard  Wha?  23:38, 7 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Either date is fine by me.  See discussion at Talk:Pi. --Noleander (talk) 05:42, 8 June 2012 (UTC)

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Gregory Stanton
No worries on removing the information on Gregory Stanton until it is sourced and researched. Person before you decided to anon blank the page without any sort of edit summary. ♥ Solarra ♥ ♪ Talk ♪  ߷  ♀ Contribs ♀ 15:46, 8 June 2012 (UTC)

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explanation
Hi,

I just posted on Savidan's page, and only after I saved my remarks did I notice that you had posted above. I truly commend you for seeking out so many views, including Savidan's, and really working to make Smith Act trials of Communist Party leaders a great article. I also hassled him to make more statements and was disappointed when he did not. However, I think that Savidan is absolutely right in his current analysis of the article now at FAC; he was able to pinpoint so clearly the issues that bothered me.

I don't believe he has any ulterior motives. From my interactions with him in the past, I have found him quite to the point (a bit abrupt maybe), and unwilling to do things on MY time scale. He is an attorney after all and has a fine legal mind. That's all it is, I'm sure. He's been thinking of the article because you and I have poked him about it, and when he saw it at FAC he was undoubtedly already clear what his objections were.

Really, you have worked so hard and he is making excellent points. It always bothered me that the legal issues were muddled in the article, and it seemed to be more of a retrospective, sociological article than a legal one. He has pointed out exactly what needs to be done to make it a legal article. I want you to get that FA star! Best wishes, MathewTownsend (talk) 21:09, 11 June 2012 (UTC)

Undoing edits without checking
When an edit summary states: "but that's what the source s[a]ys", it's not a good idea to undo the edit based on what you believe the source said, without checking what the source actually says. --Lambiam 12:46, 12 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Replied on Talk page of article. --Noleander (talk) 14:45, 12 June 2012 (UTC)

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A barnstar for you!

 * Thank you very much. I appreciate all your help in ensuring neutrality and comprehensiveness.  WP is best when there is lots of teamwork! --Noleander (talk) 15:47, 17 June 2012 (UTC)

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Three sentences?
Three sentences. Really??? Some of us feel that people who believe that they can make their point in three sentences really have nothing to say and ought to limit their comments to a single exclamation point or question mark. Best regards, TransporterMan  ( TALK ) 20:43, 19 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Well, maybe I was being a bit facetious :-) .... but WP:TLDR definitely applies sometimes. --Noleander (talk) 20:46, 19 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Bold edits to article space are probably not a good idea while discussion at DRN is in progress. As for the length of your comment on DRN, it might have been fine if it adddressed the issue in question. Dominus Vobisdu (talk) 21:39, 19 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Replied at DRN. --Noleander (talk) 21:56, 19 June 2012 (UTC)

Yates v. United States
Mentioning Red Monday? It's not a term everyone used. It's a term of opprobrium and an attack on the Supreme Court. It should not be just mentioned, here or in any article, without saying that someone called it that and for what reason. Nor should it be in the summary of an article when it is not mentioned in the body. Bmclaughlin9 (talk) 21:41, 19 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Sounds good. Were you planning on following up on that?  Otherwise, I'll do it. --Noleander (talk) 21:45, 19 June 2012 (UTC)
 * I moved it to the body and changed to: "The decision was announced on a Monday, concurrently with several other decisions related to Communism, including Watkins v. United States. The day was called "Red Monday" by some anti-communists that disagreed with the decision." --Noleander (talk) 21:55, 19 June 2012 (UTC)

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Prose question
Hi Noleander, if you have time, I was wondering if you could do a run through of William S. Sadler with an eye for prose infelicities? Ian Rose just left a note asking for one more person to check on the article's prose after finding a couple issues in the lead. I don't think there's much of note in the rest of the article, the lead was rewritten late in the process. Thanks, Mark Arsten (talk) 16:12, 20 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Sure, I'll review it later today. It looks like an unusual subject! --Noleander (talk) 16:20, 20 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks, that would be great. Yeah, this was fun to write about, it's a very little known group that he started. I don't think I've found anyone who's heard of him before I brought it up. Also, I was just looking at the FAC for the communist trials. I was thinking, maybe you should ping NewYorkBrad for a review? He's pretty knowledgeable about law, I think. Mark Arsten (talk) 16:34, 20 June 2012 (UTC)


 * Thanks for all the comments, some good observations there. I think I have taken care of them all, if you'd like to revisit. Thanks, Mark Arsten (talk) 22:56, 21 June 2012 (UTC)

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Vassula Ryden DRN
Hello Noleander,

First off, thanks for participating in the DRN discussion I posted. It helps a lot to have truly neutral editors involved. I am sure you were able to observe the inconsistencies of the arguments of certain editors in the DRN, minus those of Transporterman who stood by the same argument. There have been recent developments in the DRN, one of which could possibly warrant the inclusion of Hvidts text under WP:ATTRIBUTEPOV. It turns out the text I was using was wrongly cross aligned - see my comment as of 11:15, 21 June 2012 (UTC). Just thought I would bring this to your attention incase you wanted to comment on the topic further. Thanks! Arkatakor (talk) 17:03, 23 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Done. --Noleander (talk) 06:37, 24 June 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for the image review at the current Paul McCartney FAC. If you have the time, could you please offer some specific guidance as to how are added to images, as I have never done this before. Thanks! — GabeMc (talk) 22:48, 23 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Go to the page that has the image.  If the page says "This is a file from the Wikimedia Commons. Information from its description page there is shown below"  then you have to click on the "Commons" link in that sentence to get to the underlying image page.   Edit the image page.   Down towards the bottom (above the categories) just insert the line "   ".   Then Save.  That should do the trick. --Noleander (talk) 06:30, 24 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks for being so informative and helpful, I believe I have now accomplished this task. GabeMc   talk,  07:12, 24 June 2012 (UTC)

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FAC request
I have read about half the article, but not the rest yet. WIll try to get to reviewing it at FAC in the next few days. Thanks for asking, Ruhrfisch &gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 04:17, 25 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Thank you. --Noleander (talk) 04:35, 25 June 2012 (UTC)

Changes to Pi article
Hi Noleander,

The passage in the Pi article referring to the Bible was wrong and misleading. I made two edits to this. I might understand your reverting the second edit but not the first. The first corrects the error. Furthermore, the second edit removes the implied assertion that there was some intention of the Bible writers to refer to Pi, or Mathematics, at all. While I think the inclusion of the Bible passages adds to the historical considerations, the various assertions are not supported by the passages' references. The "two verses" were clearly taken out of context, leaving out pertinent verses below them. While a note referred to this somewhat, that didn't correct the faults within the article. This is a misrepresentation of the Bible – and some have wrongly claimed that the Bible is wrong here because it supposedly calls Pi three when it is not three – which unnecessarily adds contention within an article about Pi.

I think your reversion of my second edit was unnecessary.

I think your reversion of my first was—strange.

You said to ask questions here, or I might have sent this via email.

Thanks, Misty MH (talk) 06:37, 25 June 2012 (UTC) Minor edits. Misty MH (talk) 06:48, 25 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Replied on pi Talk page. --Noleander (talk) 14:08, 25 June 2012 (UTC)

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Paul McCartney FAC
You were referred to me by User:Mark Arsten as someone who certainly has the skills needed, and who may be willing to help out with some prose and punctuation issues at Paul McCartney, which is also currently at FAC. Thanks, hope this isn't a bother. ~ GabeMc   (talk)  04:20, 29 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Sure, I'll be happy to help out. May need to wait until tomorrow, though. --Noleander (talk) 05:02, 29 June 2012 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the excellently thorough FAC review. I believe I have now resolved all your comments, and I hope the article has earned your support. Thanks again. ~ GabeMc   (talk)  00:58, 2 July 2012 (UTC)

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Smith trial
I was just about to add my support and minimal comments when Graham conferred the star, well done. I thought McCarthy was a loose cannon, didn't realise the extent of judicial persecution of leftist causes in the US, so a fascinating read for me as a Brit. I did wonder if the climate of fear from that time has an ongoing legacy in terms of legislation such as the Patriot Act, but I appreciate that's well beyond your remit and impossible to prove  Jimfbleak -  talk to me?  11:33, 30 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Yes, there were two sources I saw that drew parallels between the McCarthyism era and the Patriot Act era (one source said "just substitute 'terrorist' for 'communist' ") but that should probably be covered in an article about the War on terrorism. --Noleander (talk) 13:08, 30 June 2012 (UTC)


 * Add my congratulations also. I think I've already given you two barnstars, so I won't overdue it with another. Best wishes, MathewTownsend (talk) 12:37, 30 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Thank you, it was a long road! --Noleander (talk) 13:08, 30 June 2012 (UTC)
 * My congratulations as well - I finally had some time this morning and saw it had been promoted. Sorry to have missed the FAC, Ruhrfisch &gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 13:28, 1 July 2012 (UTC)

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WP:FOUR for Smith Act trials of Communist Party leaders

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Question on an image
I am considering adding, File:Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band.jpg, to the Paul McCartney article, in the Beatles section. Is this image okay to use? Thanks again for your efforts at the FAC! ~ GabeMc   (talk)  01:42, 3 July 2012 (UTC)
 * The policy that governs such images is WP:NFCI. For album covers, it says: "Cover art from various items [may be used] for visual identification only in the context of critical commentary of that item (not for identification without critical commentary)."   What that means is that the image cannot be used in an article that simply mentions the album; but it can be used in an article that critically discusses the album.  If you think the PM has a discussion of the album, then it can be used in the article.  If you use it, you must add a "fair use rationale" to the image page, at File:Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band.jpg.  To add the rationale:  go to that page, and edit it.  Find the two rationales that are already there (they are templates named "Non-free rationale album").   Copy one of those templates, and change the " Article =" field to say " Article = Paul McCartney".  Then save.  --Noleander (talk) 03:13, 3 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks again, helpful as always! ~ GabeMc   (talk)  03:18, 3 July 2012 (UTC)
 * I did my best to add the fair-use rationale as you suggested, but I seem to have introduced an error I cannot see. Please help! Thanks again. ~ GabeMc   (talk)
 * I fixed it. The error was there before you made your change. --Noleander (talk) 03:47, 3 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks again! ~ GabeMc   (talk)  03:55, 3 July 2012 (UTC)

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 * Done. --Noleander (talk) 04:20, 17 July 2012 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

 * You are welcome. That was a heckuva FAC ... you put a lot of work into it.  Congratulations! --Noleander (talk) 14:46, 16 July 2012 (UTC)

Source spotcheck
Could you or another person do a source spotcheck on this FAC? I have several of the cited books and others are online, but a couple I may be unable to provide (article was mainly written by Arsonal). — Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:13, 9 July 2012 (UTC)

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Response
Hello. I have responded at Template talk:Expert-subject. Iceblock (talk) 12:31, 13 July 2012 (UTC)

Please comment on Template talk:Rihanna singles
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 * Done. --Noleander (talk) 04:16, 17 July 2012 (UTC)

Your topic ban regarding articles related to Judaism
The ARBCOM decision to impose a topic ban on you regarding articles related to Judaism made the ban indefinite with the provision that you could request that it be lifted after a year had passed. Since the ARBCOM decision was made in April 2011, more than a year has passed. Do you intend to request a lifting of the ban? The reason I ask is that I have been waiting to ask your opinion/assistance with the article on Economic antisemitism but I can't do that as long as the topic ban is in effect. (Technically, you can't even say "Good job" or "needs work" wrt the article. So, please just answer the question that I asked about your intent to request lifting of the ban.)  Thanx. --Pseudo-Richard (talk) 02:18, 17 July 2012 (UTC)
 * For the time being, I'm avoiding all articles related to religion, just to be on the safe side :-) I have no immediate plans to change that, but if circumstances change, I'll let you know. --Noleander (talk) 04:10, 17 July 2012 (UTC)