User talk:OlEnglish/Archive 13

Thanks
..for your action on Vinayak Damodar Savarkar. I think it needs a permanent protection from New Single purpose Accounts as this page is always involved in Right wing politics attracting fringe elements.--Indian Chronicles (talk) 11:06, 3 February 2011 (UTC)


 * I noticed. Although I don't know if it'll hold off the registered account, as he's due to be autoconfirmed in a couple days. -- &oelig; &trade; 11:15, 3 February 2011 (UTC)


 * The I guess he will ahve to be reported for 3RR or undue deletions.--Indian Chronicles (talk) 13:20, 3 February 2011 (UTC)


 * Or I could just 'un'confirm him ;) -- &oelig; &trade; 13:30, 3 February 2011 (UTC)

Editor assistance list
A problem has been identified at Editor assistance/list. You may like to read Wikipedia talk:Editor assistance/list. JamesBWatson (talk) 13:38, 3 February 2011 (UTC)


 * Gee thanks, I probably would've missed it if it wasn't for this message. ;) -- &oelig; &trade; 13:40, 3 February 2011 (UTC)


 * Aah, well, if your signature looked like your username I would have realised you already knew as you have posted there already, and so I wouldn't have bothered posting here. Well, never mind. JamesBWatson (talk) 13:46, 3 February 2011 (UTC)


 * No worries, I'm just givin' ya a hard time :) -- &oelig; &trade; 13:50, 3 February 2011 (UTC)

ani discussion
Hi, as you asked, "seriously?" to this comment I made at ANI I thought I should comment here .. "admins should not have to reverse another admins poor unsupported block, the admin that makes them should unblock the person they blocked and then block themselves for the same time period" ... it's not completely a factually serious position, more at the extreme end of the possible responses to consider if an administrator makes such a block that is quickly reverted and causes a fair bit of disruption - more than the original actual issue, especially more worthy of consideration if the admin has recently been involved in a similar overturning instance for a related reason, which in this case there was another in Dec 2010. My intention was only to ask administrators to carefully consider blocking in such possibly disputed situations for such disputable reasons, and perhaps to say to themselves, am I so right to restrict this long term, high profile contributor for this action that if I am unsupported at ANI by the community and my block is reverted or there is consensus that I am requested to revert it, am I prepared to take that poor action on to my own shoulders and do it to myself? Such considerations would be a good thing, imo that block was outside of policy and a repeat of a similar recent action that was reverted, a hat trick of such situations will clearly result in a likely well supported recall. Off2riorob (talk) 16:40, 3 February 2011 (UTC)

"Chasing the dragon"
Um, one of your user boxes has the text "This user is endlessly chasing the dragon".

Are you aware that "chasing the dragon" is a common euphemism for smoking heroin?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chasing_the_dragon —Preceding unsigned comment added by 144.92.213.71 (talk) 17:55, 4 February 2011 (UTC)


 * Yes, why? Didn't you know I'm also a ninja that's standing behind you? ;) -- &oelig; &trade; 18:59, 4 February 2011 (UTC)

Lucky Cannon
You blocked the article 8 hours after the discussion is over. You can unblock it for good. Everything is ok. The guy even apologized on my talk page. Thank you for the attention. Hugs and kisses.

In Fear and Faith
Since I wanna go to bed like right now, can you protect the article for In Fear and Faith? I'm suspecting you're an admin and since It's under heavy vandalism and I'm refreshing the page like every second just to revert an edit like every 5 minutes or even less. A request was sent to RPP but I really need it protected now. • GunMetal Angel  09:11, 6 February 2011 (UTC)


 * Looks like Ckatz just got to it. -- &oelig; &trade; 09:19, 6 February 2011 (UTC)


 * Yeah, I contacted you and him on it since I needed it protected ASAP. Thanks anyway for your quick-notice. =) • GunMetal Angel  09:19, 6 February 2011 (UTC)

Sociedade Angolana de Construção e Montagem de Automóveis
Hi OldEnglish, I have re-written this article in the German WP. Have a look at it. The facts are not realistic. I have asked Volkswagen press department and they said, there are no plans to put this project in place. The whole article is a mess. It should be deleted or totally re-written under the title "Ancar". What do you think about it?--Cruks (talk) 20:05, 10 February 2011 (UTC)


 * Hmm.. I think it's got too many images and external links and not enough actual content. You mention you've rewritten it in dewiki? Maybe you or someone else can translate and bring that version over? Try making up a draft in your userpage and posting a message with a link to it on the article's talk page. You can ask users involved in editing that article if they would support replacing it with your improved draft version. -- &oelig; &trade; 13:27, 12 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Ok OlEnglish, I will do a draft on my test page and then I will send it to you with a link. The you might correct some wrong grammar. I will not use the pictures any more. But not today nor tomorrow. Is that ok?--Cruks (talk) 16:49, 14 February 2011 (UTC)


 * Well, okay, but I would rather prefer it if you would post the link on the article's talk page, as I'm not really involved in editing that article. --  &oelig; &trade; 16:52, 14 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Yes ok, I put it there now.--Cruks (talk) 19:01, 14 February 2011 (UTC)ed
 * Hi OldEnglish, I have put the article there now but nobody was interested to review it. I would like to go forward to replace the old one under Ancar. So what must I do now?--Cruks (talk) 14:12, 18 February 2011 (UTC)


 * Then you can now Be bold and improve the page to your version. This is part of the bold, revert, discuss process: propose your bold change on the talk page, if noone seems interested then you're free to make the change, and then if the most interested party reverts, you discuss it. :) So go ahead and make your change but try to salvage as much useful existing content as possible, and always note everything you do on the relevant talk page. -- &oelig; &trade; 14:19, 18 February 2011 (UTC)

Your suggestion
Hey Ol' English! You left a section message back in 2009 on this Talk page. When you get a chance, check it out for new developments. &mdash;  Paine  Ellsworth  (  C LIMAX  )  17:55, 11 February 2011 (UTC)

Much thanks
Thank you for figuring out how to format the template random page to make it look more like it used to as a hard-coded table over at WP:RANPP. I'm not very good with wikitable formatting, despite having been on here for almost 8 months. Thanks :) --- c y m r u . l a s s  (talk me, stalk me) 06:33, 14 February 2011 (UTC)


 * Yeah, I basically learned myself through trial and error.. I still want to learn ParserFunctions though.. -- &oelig; &trade; 06:45, 14 February 2011 (UTC)

History of citizenship in the United States
Hey I really appreciate your comments about the deletion discussion regarding this article. Most likely the article will get deleted, but if it stays, perhaps a trimmed down version somewhere may find some kind of home here in Wikipedia? But at any rate, your viewpoint reflects on your wisdom, your integrity, your values, and I respect this. There are few people like you in the world.--Tomwsulcer (talk) 15:06, 14 February 2011 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the kind words. -- &oelig; &trade; 15:19, 14 February 2011 (UTC)

Contents pages navigation proposal
Now that the two week trial period is completed, please respond to the proposal, Adding topical links to contents pages navigational headers and footers, as you see fit. Regards, RichardF (talk) 14:02, 15 February 2011 (UTC)

Right Time
I removed the tag because i thought it didn't apply anymore because i redirected it to the disambig page. Simply south...... 16:57, 15 February 2011 (UTC)

Welcome to my nightmare
Hi, OlEnglish, I was wondering if you could help me out with an admin question? I have been working on a contentious locked article at Yoshiyahu Yosef Pinto and we are close to consensus on a couple of minor points. I was wondering, since I am involved in the discussions on the talk page is it better if we post an edit request, or can I make the edits myself? I don't want to overstep my authority. Thanks. -- Diannaa (Talk) 19:54, 17 February 2011 (UTC)


 * Doh! I'm sorry Diannaa! I really need to get back in the habit of replying to posts immediately as they arrive, because I put things off for a bit and then forget to check back until someone else posts and only then I realize my lapse! soorry! I would've said that if there's a clear consensus then I'd say it's alright to go ahead and make the change, but I see you've already went with the edit request so it's moot. -- &oelig; &trade; 14:34, 18 February 2011 (UTC)


 * That's ok. Someone responded quickly to the edit request and it's better to be safe than sorry. -- Diannaa (Talk) 16:20, 18 February 2011 (UTC)

Thanks!
Re this - oh dear, I was trying to be all thorough and pedagogical and then I read the signatures carelessly in the Edit window... Thank you for fixing it :-) --bonadea contributions talk 17:40, 20 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Hehe, no prob. -- &oelig; &trade; 18:12, 20 February 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for everything

 * I'm honored! -- &oelig; &trade; 08:45, 21 February 2011 (UTC)

Ugh
It just doesn't end. I'm trying to enjoy a vacation, and when I check back I see more if this. My oh my. T ofutwitch11  (T ALK ) 01:42, 22 February 2011 (UTC)


 * Ya, just ignore it. Maybe he'll stop once he realizes no one is interested in continuing to enable his trifling self-amusement. -- &oelig; &trade; 01:55, 22 February 2011 (UTC)


 * I'd have chosen thumb, ring-finger and pinky. That way, I'd have two left to salute the questioner.  Chzz  ► 18:00, 25 February 2011 (UTC)


 * LOL!! :D &oelig; &trade; 17:23, 26 February 2011 (UTC)

Les Stroud
Hi, as the last protector, the vandal came straight back, please see the thread at blpn here, perhaps anothe r6months is in order? thanks. Off2riorob (talk) 11:28, 22 February 2011 (UTC)
 * note - hi, there is some update on my talkpage, the issue is repeat addition of a false child's name. Off2riorob (talk) 18:23, 22 February 2011 (UTC)

Talkback
FYI Re: User talk:Jonasorg Kudpung (talk) 14:07, 23 February 2011 (UTC)

Les Stroud PC
Please reconsider use of Pending Changes on Les Stroud, given the ongoing RfC on use of PC, and the notice regarding its use, and...well, the fact that there is no consensus for using it, beyond a trial period of 2 months which was from June 2010. Please see WP:PCRFC and feel free to comment there.  Chzz  ► 00:01, 25 February 2011 (UTC)


 * Courcelles already changed it to indef semi-protection. -- &oelig; &trade; 00:06, 25 February 2011 (UTC)


 * Ah, fair enough. Thanks.  Chzz  ► 00:12, 25 February 2011 (UTC)

IP comment
can you help me 80.197.109.183 (talk) 11:02, 25 February 2011 (UTC) i have ocd and will try to live a difrant way 80.197.109.183 (talk) 11:02, 25 February 2011 (UTC)


 * I'm sorry, What is it exactly that you need help with?? -- &oelig; &trade; 17:22, 26 February 2011 (UTC)

Help/Advice/Guidance?
Hi... I found your name on a block of User:TheArticleWizardsApprentice. I noted that this was a sockpuppet of User:SirEpicBob. Something odd happened this morning and I'm not sure where or whether it needs to be reported. I've been working on an article on Clarkson, Ohio (See here). As I felt it was ready to move, I went to create the page and found that it had been created moments before (with all of the content that I had created - though I'm not claiming ownership). I was also surprised to see that the creator of the article had created a username (Wikiapelli) this morning that was extremely similar to my own (Wikipelli). I checked this user's contrib and discovered some edits that lead me to the blocked page of User:TheArticleWizardsApprentice, particularly here

I'd like to know if you think this is the work of a sockpuppet, an interesting coincidence, or what? I've done quite a lot of vandalism editing over the past year but I haven't come up against anything like this before. I'd appreciate your thoughts as a sysop. Thanks for your time!  Wikipelli  Talk   17:23, 27 February 2011 (UTC)
 * I just noticed this page created which is a duplicate of my edit notice. This feels more malicious than just coincidental.   Wikipelli  Talk   17:25, 27 February 2011 (UTC)


 * Ahh yes. It's another sockpuppet, SirEpicBob, same guy, has a habit of stealing others' content, easy-to-spot MO. If you see this happening again to you or another user report it to ANI immediately. I've blocked the account and deleted the edit notice. -- &oelig; &trade; 17:34, 27 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks much!  Wikipelli  Talk   17:36, 27 February 2011 (UTC)

Dow Jones External Link Removed?
Hello, just want to know exactly why this link was removed? I understand that the these links are followed by search engines, and the site is not selling anything in particular. Jobs are listed here, but I feel that it is a valid piece of information to someone who is looking into the company. I see that the Yahoo Finance stock ticker link is included in External Links. How is this not a promotional link then? I would appreciate a more through epxlanation as to why this link was removed, and would please appeal that reinstatement of it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Chicagoan123 (talk • contribs) 20:30, 28 February 2011 (UTC)


 * I'm not sure to which article you're referring to. Perhaps you should try asking the person who removed it? -- &oelig; &trade; 14:48, 2 March 2011 (UTC)

IRC chat
Hello, there is an upcoming, very informal discussion on IRC on the freenode channel (quick webchat link) on the 6th March 2011 at 17:00 UTC concerning ways to improve help over IRC, and other matters relating to Wiki?edia channels in general, but mostly about #wikipedia-en-help.

This is just a friendly, informal chat. Nothing official, no fixed agenda. There is nothing 'secretive' about it - anyone is quite welcome. Some of you had a chat there, the other day. We wanted to invite them to carry on discussions, at a prearranged time - and thought it courteous to ask group contacts and channel founders too. Or if you signed up manually.

If you aren't at all interested, feel free to remove yourself from the names we've spammed this to, which is in User:123Hedgehog456/IRC informal chat users. If you didn't sign up, well, people have been adding loads of names to the list, so someone might have accidentally added your name.

Thank you,  Chzz  ► and  1 2 3  Hedgehog  4 5 6  19:49, 15 February 2011 (UTC).

Message made by Chzz, with help from 123Hedgehog456.

Delivered by MessageDeliveryBot on behalf of 123Hedgehog456 (talk) at 22:06, 28 February 2011 (UTC).

Invitation
I have reopened the discussion about two blank lines before stub templates here. Since I noticed you have taken an interest in this subject before, I cordially invite you to join there. Debresser (talk) 10:06, 1 March 2011 (UTC)

Vijayan K. Pillai
Wondering if we should propose deletion on grounds of dubious notability; despite my comments on the talk page of this article, not much has been done; wondering what your opinion is.--Tomwsulcer (talk) 15:21, 2 March 2011 (UTC)


 * I think your comments on the talk page provide enough justification to take it to WP:AfD. -- &oelig; &trade; 15:24, 2 March 2011 (UTC)


 * OK if you AfD it I'll support you; I'm not an admin so perhaps I can do a PROD I think.--Tomwsulcer (talk) 19:28, 2 March 2011 (UTC)


 * You don't need to be an admin to initiate a deletion discussion at WP:AfD, you're prefectly free to nominate it at AfD, and the WP:TWINKLE userscript makes this process automated and much easier. Oncce it's nominated, various users will discuss it and give thier thoughts on whether it should be kept or deleted, and a final deciding admin will evaluate the consensus and choose whether to delete or keep, the close the discussion. -- &oelig; &trade; 22:14, 2 March 2011 (UTC)


 * Ok, thanks, but I didn't see an AfD on my Twinkle, but there's a PROD and an "anything for deletion" thing (is that the one?). I suppose I'll do PROD to see what happens at this point.--Tomwsulcer (talk) 01:29, 3 March 2011 (UTC)


 * Yes thats the one, It's XfD, at which point you'll select further the type of deletion, in this case it would be AfD (Articles for Deletion) as opposed to Templates for deletion, or Redirects for Deletion, etc. -- &oelig; &trade; 02:01, 3 March 2011 (UTC)


 * Ok, thanks, didn't know I had that power with the Twinkle thing, cool. Next time I may use it but it's PRODed for now.--Tomwsulcer (talk) 05:08, 3 March 2011 (UTC)

Your user page
Hi O'l English, i love the bit at the bottom right of your user page! How did you do it, and can I use it? Thanks, Thomas888b (Say Hi) 18:14, 3 March 2011 (UTC)


 * Yup! The code is at the very bottom of my userpage, after the categories. Several other users also use it. -- &oelig; &trade; 20:35, 3 March 2011 (UTC)


 * Thanks Thomas888b (Say Hi) 21:00, 6 March 2011 (UTC)

Re: The Anti-Vandalism Barnstar
Thank you! What an awesome thing to log in to!  Sophus Bie  (talk) 02:31, 6 March 2011 (UTC)


 * Your welcome ;)

Talkback

 * ''This was in regards to section heading #Your userpage

Vandal returns to SCAD page
Hi, the semi-protection on the Savannah College of Art and Design page expired on Feb. 20. Early this morning an anonymous user whose IP (98.82.122.140) matches the location of the earlier vandal has struck again. I've reverted the page to Feb. 20 version, but wonder what else we might be able to do to stop this person.

Thanks. Jasonmparker (talk) 15:39, 10 March 2011 (UTC)


 * I reprotected the page. -- &oelig; &trade; 19:12, 10 March 2011 (UTC)

Thank you! Jasonmparker (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 20:17, 10 March 2011 (UTC).

Thank you for deorphaning an article
Thank you for deorphaning the article on arrowords, ACEOREVIVED (talk) 23:53, 10 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Oh I didn't de-orphan it, you did. I merely removed the tag. -- &oelig; &trade; 04:59, 11 March 2011 (UTC)

Question regarding Star Wars: The Old Republic
First, thanks for protecting the star wars page, but in the page blanking, a ref was lost. The spam filter prevents me from restoring it (it was in there before the vandalism). I'm not sure where to raise the issue. Monty 845 (talk) 06:00, 13 March 2011 (UTC)


 * Don't know which ref you were referring to, but maybe you can format the ref in such a way so that the filter doesn't pick it up. Or if it's a specific URL, you can ask to have it Whitelisted. -- &oelig; &trade; 06:57, 13 March 2011 (UTC)

Hey Thanks
I did see your last message. I was really at a bad mental place. A place I don't normally go and need only go once. Now I am been there done that. I am heading away from this place and back to something normal. If you do ever need anything I can assist with Give me a note and that would be cool. Other than that thanks.My76Strat (talk) 05:43, 15 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Sure man, no problem. -- &oelig; &trade; 05:52, 15 March 2011 (UTC)

Notification: changes to "Mark my edits as minor by default" preference
Hello there. This is an automated message to tell you about the gradual phasing out of the preference entitled "Mark all edits minor by default", which you currently have (or very recently had) enabled.

On 13 March 2011, this preference was hidden from the user preferences screen as part of efforts to prevent its accidental misuse (consensus discussion, guidelines for use at WP:MINOR). This had the effect of locking users in to their existing preference, which, in your case, was. To complete the process, your preference will automatically be changed to  in the next few days. This does not require any intervention on your part and all users will still be able to manually mark their edits as being minor in the usual way.

For well-established users such as yourself there is a workaround available involving custom JavaScript. If you have any problems, feel free to drop me a note.

Thank you for your understanding and happy editing :) Editing on behalf of User:Jarry1250, LivingBot (talk) 20:16, 15 March 2011 (UTC)

FYI
I have reason to believe that you just blocked is a sock of a banned user and currently operates under several other IPs as described here. Do you think an SPI report would be necessary, or all of them should be blocked per WP:DUCK? Thanks, Hodja Nasreddin (talk) 20:37, 15 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Sorry for the late reply! I would recommend going with the SPI report. -- &oelig; &trade; 07:15, 17 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Also . But I may be not in a good position to file this report because I have a topic ban with regard to articles about Soviet Union. This is a British historian, but he mostly known for his books about Soviet Union... Hodja Nasreddin (talk) 19:23, 17 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Conflict develops.Hodja Nasreddin (talk) 20:37, 18 March 2011 (UTC)

Speedy decline
Hello OE - I see that you declined the G11 speedy deletion request of User:Stacy kessler noting it was ok to have a description as long as they were contributing in an otherwise helpful fashion. From their current contributions it appears the accounts is being used solely for self-promotion; as such would you be willing to reconsider your G11 decline? --Jezebel's Ponyo bons mots 20:45, 15 March 2011 (UTC)


 * Yes it seems their only intention is self-promotion. But as long as Stacy Kessler exists, they've still made a worthwhile contribution. Let's see how the PROD at Stacy Kessler works out, if that article gets deleted then there's no benefit to Wikipedia in keeping the userpage either. Let me know once it gets deleted then I'll deleted the userpage. -- &oelig; &trade; 21:13, 15 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Sounds good; ordinarily I would have just ignored it, but all of this rain has me in a rather dour and unforgiving mood. --Jezebel's Ponyo bons mots 22:15, 15 March 2011 (UTC)

Akbarpura‎
Thanks for the revert. I cleaned up a few Pakistani settlement the other day and put them on my watchlist as the crap they attract is unbelievable/ I think that a number of editors combined should have them on their watchlists, the quality is probably the worst on wikipedia for Pakistan articles..., followed closely by India.♦ Dr. Blofeld  21:32, 16 March 2011 (UTC)


 * I agree! and have been trying to draw attention to this problem for some time! The quality of South-Asian geography-related articles is atrocious, chock full of POV assertions, peacock terms, and OR, and I'm sure I don't even need to mention the spelling/grammar. And there's thousands of these articles. It's a real shame because I love reading about interesting far off places and it's so annoying when most of what I see is crap like "AKHUNKHEL IS MOST EMINENT CLAN" or whatever. Speaking of which, there's a very persistent spammer behind the 119.153.x.x range who's been spamming the same crap in dozens of articles for some time now. I've attempted communication and got nowhere. It's hard to tell whether they're intentionally being disruptive or just don't understand English well nor our policies, but it's gone past the point of assuming good faith. However, a range block seems a bit too extreme because it's such a large range. Oh well, I'll just keep them on my watchlist. -- &oelig; &trade; 21:46, 16 March 2011 (UTC)

Yep, Pakistan, India and Bangladesh are definiately the worst quality on wikipedia. Yeah the common thing is CAPITAL LETTERS, huge list of schools, massive lists of local people or clans and heavy use of the word "famous" to describe the local taxi driver or something! I'm considering making a proposal to get people tackle a category each and get the articles cleaned up and then place them on their watchlist. Pakistan has a relatively high internet usership and most of the users are not fluent. Same problem with rural India, "famous" and "very beautiful village" plagues the articles... We need like a hundred people to help clean them up. Mm you interested in helping tackle a few of the Punjab region district settlements articles? Category:Populated places in Punjab (Pakistan) is pretty big but the content lying in most of those articles is shocking... ♦ Dr. Blofeld  22:12, 16 March 2011 (UTC)


 * Always interested, but generally the way I work is I tend to fix them as I come across them (which is too often!) whether by just random browsing or recent changes patrol. Working from a category I find burns me out very quickly, especially when seeing so many bad articles I get easily discouraged. I still add them to my watchlist though. -- &oelig; &trade; 22:28, 16 March 2011 (UTC)

P.s you have the same great taste in music as me!! I'm very much into jazz and flamenco and Chopin was a true genius and my favourite too!!♦ Dr. Blofeld  22:18, 16 March 2011 (UTC)


 * Nice! :)

LOL. The "sacrificed the ox on Eid in the name of God." had me in hysterics... ! I've begun going through the main Punjab category anyway... most use falling rain as a source too which I tried to get blacklisted a year or two ago because of notoriously off population estimates (like 215 for a Tibetan settlement in 7km radius when PRC census says 35,000 odd!!)

Yeah I known what you mean about it burning you out, the sheer number of articles and the sheer amount of crap.. ♦ Dr. Blofeld  22:40, 16 March 2011 (UTC)

Can you also put Nankana Sahib and Ghorghushti on your watchlist?♦ Dr. Blofeld  11:21, 17 March 2011 (UTC)

Just curious
Hi. Just curious as to why you attached a trademark symbol to your signature. Peter S Strempel Page &#124; Talk 02:11, 19 March 2011 (UTC)


 * Hehe, good question. Besides the reason that I just liked the way it looked, I also needed a link to my talk page, and the letters TM seemed to fit just right.. they stand for "Talk to Me". :) &oelig; &trade; 02:19, 19 March 2011 (UTC)


 * That's interesting because my screen reader JAWS reads that character as "trademark", so the meaning of "TM" was completely lost on me! Graham 87 07:00, 19 March 2011 (UTC)


 * Doh! I'm such a heel. I really need to pay attention to accessibility issues. Not everyone sees things like I do. And this isn't the first time you've reminded me of that! -- &oelig; &trade; 07:08, 19 March 2011 (UTC)


 * Question: For œ, does is it spell out the letters O and E? or does it try to pronounce the sound? -- &oelig; &trade; 07:15, 19 March 2011 (UTC)


 * It spells it out like "O E". Graham 87 02:14, 20 March 2011 (UTC)


 * What I see are two very round and wide letters: oe. But nevertheless joined together, like a dipthong.   Peter S Strempel  &#124;  Talk   22:05, 28 March 2011 (UTC)


 * It's just a ligature, you can read the article at Œ. -- &oelig; &trade; 22:47, 28 March 2011 (UTC)

Please don't bite me.
I think, from your responses to me on the IRC that I have upset you in some way. I know that in the past on one of the few occasions you have talked to me there, I got the impression that you were angry with me because I don't understand how wikipedia works and that you took it personally that I don't understand what to do. I have always been grateful for the help you gave me in moving my articles back, I must have omitted to thank you for it.

I had hoped for a little support when I came online, you know I don't spam the IRC constantly; rather I wait until I am at my wits end before even attempting to use it. Perhaps this will explain my difficulty in communicating there, maybe I come across as snarky because I am so upset by the time I get to that point. You didn't seem interested in why I am having problems at all. If the IRC isn't the appropriate forum, where do I go? Who do I ask for advice? Petrb adopted me but I never see him online and in the case of the issue of the editor I had below, that editor followed me from an article talk page to another user's talk page so I felt I couldn't post on Petrb's talk page.

Please assume good faith. I am desperate for help but all I seem to get is a metaphorical "go away we don't want you". Why is this? Am I really that objectionable? If so I certainly don't mean to be. It's really hard for me to be positive when it comes to wikipedia as my experiences have been so negative so far. Please don't bite me, my questions are genuine. I'm looking for practical advice, if I make you too annoyed to help, please tell me someone else I can ask about things or tell me a better way to go about it. Is there a way to get adopted by someone who has more time to spend helping me? Petrb has done his best but it just hasn't worked for me, I was hoping he would be on the IRC so I could talk it over with him but he never seems to be there these-days.

You were one of the few people on the IRC who I thought would help me, now I don't have the confidence to go there anymore because I felt you were being very dismissive.

After the nonsense over the Naga brothers that you helped with earlier, I moved to the space portal only to find myself caught up in the web of another editor who argues constantly, and has been very rude and negative towards me (and other users). For this reason I was reluctant to engage in further participation on talk pages. A few days ago, I finally snapped. I got an apology; but I am deeply concerned that you are the second high level person to be abrupt and rude to me. (Good faith?) Maybe my way of phrasing things bothered you, but should my observations as a new comer not be considered? Do they not perhaps point to reasons why people leave and should they not be passed on to develop ways of improving wikipedia? Being a new comer I don't know who to raise that matter with, where to get advice, who to complain to, whose attention to draw it to (whatever is appropriate from that list).

I guess from your page that you will probably be too busy to respond, and I certainly don't have any expectation that you will, but I needed to say something and feel I had no other place to do it. Aakheperure (talk) 03:10, 19 March 2011 (UTC)


 * Sorry if you felt I was dismissive, I thought I did answer your questions and helped you. Yes you did seem angry in your phrasing, and with statements such as "I just don't want to be here anymore. I was trying to tidy up before I go.", "Wikipedia's loss I guess.", and "Make it as hard for newcomers as possible then make pretty graphs about loss of editors. o.O" amongst other statements, I did get the impression that your intention was to try to guilt trip us into making you stay, after you already stated you just "wanted to leave". Especially since this was the same attitude you took then when we were helping you with the 'Naga brothers' fiasco; no matter what encouraging words we gave you you kept on threatening to leave, as if we haven't grovelled enough for your liking. I'm sorry that's just the impression you gave, I'm being honest. There's only so much we can do to keep you here, ultimately you have to enjoy being here and editing here, you have to want to stay. Your contributions are much valued but we're not going to twist your arm to stay, if you're not enjoying yourself then perhaps this hobby isn't for you. It's supposed to be a fun hobby, try to have fun, and I'm always happy and willing to help new users, I hope you will continue editing and not get too discouraged. -- &oelig; &trade; 03:38, 19 March 2011 (UTC)


 * Thank you for taking the time to respond because I have been feeling that I am just not worth bothering about. Yes, my statements were intense, for the reason I outlined above, please read them for what they were: indicative of the sheer desperation that I feel as a new user, or, now as I come to think of it, is it the desperation I feel as a vision impaired user...?

As you say you won't twist my arm to stay, fair enough, but there have got to be ways to make it easier for new people, surely? I feel I have made good contributions to wikipedia so far (I hope) Vladimir Komarov, Pavel Belyayev, but the lack of support has been highly discouraging and I basically don't know what to do in a lot of instances. I don't need a gold star for everything I write, but it would be good if people acknowledged I have more to offer before writing me off when I am clearly frustrated and in dire need of assistance. Because I am vision impaired things that seem obvious or easy for you and other editors are a real struggle for me, I suspect this is having quite a negative effect on my ability to cope on wikipedia, (that is both the procedures and the lack of understanding from other editors); is there any additional help I can seek about this? I am not currently using a screen reader (get your computer to read wikiMarkup and you will quickly hear the problem with that) I can read if the text is large, not too high contrast and in the black/blue/green colour range, but do have difficulty processing visual information and get highly fatigued. Is there a template to make people aware of this so that they understand me better?

As I said, after the Naga brother fiasco (thanks again for the help on that), I moved elsewhere in an attempt to get something done. The Khaled Abol Naga draft is still there and represents unfinished business. As I said, I have already had a lot of trouble with another editor and this has reduced my resilience for wikipedia considerably, after battling for several hours with trying to compose responses for talk pages I was exhausted by the time I got to it and was back thinking that the anguish wasn't worth while.

I don't think I can get the Tarek Naga draft to a form that would warrant moving it to the main space and will put the delete thing on it once I have sorted out the other article. I feel fairly happy with that decision as I wrote the article to try to learn wikiMarkup. I have tried what you said on the IRC about the talk page but I do not know exactly how it is supposed to be done; I probably didn't do it right and I am concerned that the draft has the warning tags on it, again, I am not sure how to get help with that issue.

I don't want "grovelling", what I want, and have always wanted is practical advice and I want assistance, I guess I've been a bit too inarticulate to convey that properly because I'm so damned frustrated?

Just so you know, I have had a little success dealing with people on here, I respect Mlm42 very much for his practical help and good advice and I like working with him a lot.

But yes, I am highly discouraged today, and a lack of a sense that I can readily get help has contributed to my frustration; hence my initial question about the use of the IRC, I genuinely thought I was using it wrong. (After I thought I had offended you, the IRC became my last resort...) Any ideas you have to help me alleviate my frustration would be welcomed. Aakheperure (talk) 05:24, 19 March 2011 (UTC)


 * I've seen your writing and I can tell you you're definitely worth bothering about; I can tell you'd be a really good content contributor. For the Khaled Abol Naga article, I see you've already left a note on the talk page about your rewrite, you did that right, all you need to do now is wait maybe a day or two and see if anyone responds to your message. If you get no response then you should assume that there is consensus for you to make your bold changes to the article, and you can go ahead and replace it with your rewritten version. The easiest way to do that would be to simply cut and paste your version over top of the existing one, remove all the warning tags of course, then note the following in your edit summary: "Bold rewrite per talk page, text copied from User:Aakheperure/Khaled_Abol_Naga_draft", then redirect your userspace draft to the mainspace page (I can do all this for you if you're unsure how, just ask me on IRC or my talk page) In addition to IRC there are many other on-wiki resources out there that you can take advantage of if ever you need help. The Help desk is an great place to ask a detailed question and the volunteers who patrol that board are very experienced, knowledgeable, and extremely helpful. About the vision-impairment, you really should consider getting a screen reader if you intend to do this regularly. In fact, I know of someone else here in wiki-land that's also vision-impaired and he uses a screen reader. His name is User:Graham87 and he's a really experienced editor and administrator, I'll put you in touch with him, he would probably be best able to help you with any problems/questions/advice you may have regarding screen readers or accessibility issues. -- &oelig; &trade; 06:10, 19 March 2011 (UTC)


 * Thank you for the assistance. Aakheperure (talk) 09:13, 19 March 2011 (UTC)

Adding or Finding Out Information That Should Be Listed on Someone's Biography Page
This is a first for me, so please excuse me if I am doing this incorrectly. I really don't know exactly HOW Wikipedia works with regard to making or adding changes to something that I've read, and wasn't quite sure who to contact, so I guess "You're It", so here goes.

I was reading about the actor/singer, John Barrowman. Now the only reason that I know of him as both an actor AND a wonderful singer, is because he portrayed a lawyer on the American television series, "Ally McBeal", which had starred, Calista Flockhart, and he also got to sing on the show. I would've never heard of him had I not seen him on that show and yet there is absolutely no mention of his participating in it. I do not believe that I have an overactive imagination and just made up his name and his face in my mind, but then again, one never knows.... Anyway, is there a definitive way to find out this information and then put it on his biography page? It isn't listed on his personal website either which I find strange.

I realize that this probably isn't the type of genre that you normally view, but as stated originally, I couldn't figure out who to contact on Wikipedia. Thanks in advance for any help on your end.Songbirdssing0210 (talk) 23:27, 19 March 2011 (UTC)


 * Replied at user's talk page. -- &oelig; &trade; 00:25, 25 March 2011 (UTC)

as a page is useless after nominated for speedy deletion by many
as a page is useless after nominated for speedy deletion by many no action has been taken

this is the page http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Govind_Kumar_Singh —Preceding unsigned comment added by 218.248.64.188 (talk) 13:30, 21 March 2011 (UTC)

Amusia
Hi, I was trying to figure out how to leave a comment regarding the edit of the Amusica article. It is generally accepted that Amusica is not caused by loss of hearing, rather it is what happend after the ear.

The following does not seem to make sense: "Congenital amusia, as the term suggests, is acquired as a result of birth or one's genes; while acquired amusia occurs as a result of accidental brain damage, stress, loss in hearing, or cognitive deficits. Symptoms of this disease vary from lack of basic melodic discrimination and recognition despite normal audiometry and above average intellectual, memory, and language skills (Peretz 2002)."

Peretz uses the phrase despite normal audiometry, here we have two statements which seem to contradict each other. I think it would be morte accurate to leave out loss of hearing as a cause of amusica. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.141.80.41 (talk) 20:19, 28 March 2011 (UTC)


 * Hi there. To leave a comment regarding the Amusia article you must do so at the article's talk page, which is at Talk:Amusia. Or you can be bold and fix the article yourself by clicking the edit button and making the necessary changes. -- &oelig; &trade; 20:25, 28 March 2011 (UTC)

Seank100
The above user has already been informed that there is an ANI [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents#User_Seank100_involved_in_multiple_mass_disruptions. here] against their removals of content on The X Factor. Just thought you'd like to know. &mdash;  Lil_ ℧ niquℇ № 1  [talk]  21:04, 28 March 2011 (UTC)


 * Yup I know, thanks. -- &oelig; &trade; 21:05, 28 March 2011 (UTC)