User talk:OlEnglish/Archive 11

Close paraphrase
Picking an article more or less at random from the category in need of copy-editing, I came across Ethnography Museum of Ankara, which is a close paraphrase (butchery, more like!) of the Turkish government web-page (©2005 all rights reserved) in the References, or possibly a translation from another of the site’s languages. Please review my edits there, whenever you have a moment. Do you think I should leave it at that, and see if someone who knows about the subject (maybe from the Turkish WikiProject?) does a proper rewrite? Or do a fairly drastic condensation to eliminate any similarity to the original? Should the possible copyright problem be reported anywhere? Odysseus1479 (talk) 07:08, 29 September 2010 (UTC)


 * I think you could probably leave it like that with the close paraphrase tag on it. But if you also want to report it somewhere you can at Copyright problems but it looks like it's already listed there. In the future, User:Moonriddengirl would be a good person to ask questions regarding coopyright issues, she is very knowledgeable with this. -- &oelig; &trade; 20:51, 2 October 2010 (UTC)


 * Thanks for checking; links noted. Odysseus1479 (talk) 21:35, 2 October 2010 (UTC)

Edit war
There appears to be an edit war brewing at Odysseus over the relevance & sourcing of some peripherally related material. On coming across such a situation is it expected, recommended, or acceptable for third parties to ask for an administrator’s intervention, or is it better to leave it to the participants either to resolve the issue between themselves or to make a formal complaint or arbitration request? Odysseus1479 (talk) 00:57, 3 October 2010 (UTC)


 * If you see anyone breaking the Three revert rule it is recommended that you report both editors at the Edit warring noticeboard, read more here: Edit warring. It is acceptable also, if you have relevant knowledge that may settle the dispute, to intervene yourself by engaging the two editors in discussion as a mediator either on the article's talk page or their user talk pages. But if they persist in edit warring they should definitely be reported to an administrator and any third party may do so. -- &oelig; &trade; 02:32, 3 October 2010 (UTC)


 * Thanks; I see you put up a warning. On the other disputant’s Talk page there was a brief dialogue, sadly not very productive, but I dug up a couple of refs supporting the passage in question; we’ll see if it helps. Sorry to be bothering you so often recently; I do hope to be ‘weaned’ sooner than later. ;) Odysseus1479 (talk) 07:26, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

Edit summaries
Hey, I started adding copy edit or something like that to articles that I edit—but it’s not a habit. Is that all right with you? Peace. —MuzikJunky (talk) 04:27, 5 October 2010 (UTC)


 * Oh sure, do what you want, I'm just saying it helps out other editors when you describe your edits.. because it saves them time when viewing page histories.. it's just generally a good habit to get into while editing. You can actually set in your user preferences to make it always prompt you to enter an edit summary every time you click 'save', that might help.. -- &oelig; &trade; 04:32, 5 October 2010 (UTC)

Sikai
Hello,

I was wondering if you could help me structure my article "Sikai" to meet the standards, as I believe it is a worth wild article to have on the site. I did not mean to come off as purely promotional, do you have any recommendations?

Thank you,

Adubb166 (talk) 22:30, 5 October 2010 (UTC)


 * Hi Adubb166, I would recommend you read over the policy Neutral point of view and rewrite the article from scratch in your userspace, but this time avoid all the peacock terms and just try to keep it to just the basic facts backed up by reliable sources. -- &oelig; &trade; 07:16, 6 October 2010 (UTC)

Just a friendly hello...
"May your day be filled with giggles." LA If you reply here, please leave me a message on my talk page. @ 05:56, 6 October 2010 (UTC)


 * Hi there! Thanks for the cookie ;) -- &oelig; &trade; 07:18, 6 October 2010 (UTC)

Hello and Thank you
Hi, I'd like to say you hello and thank you for your welcome and for improving my contributions! Mickael.istria (talk) 08:00, 6 October 2010 (UTC)


 * Hello, and you're welcome :) &oelig; &trade; 08:02, 6 October 2010 (UTC)

Boldface
I'm not sure that was right, have you read MOS:BOLD? I've been removing boldface elsewhere like that. Dougweller (talk) 12:57, 7 October 2010 (UTC)


 * Oh this edit? I think it's right... and helpful.. to those searching for "Dropa" and arrive at that page from the redirect, the bolding draws their eyes to the relevant info. MOS:BOLD makes no mention of this practice, so it's not expressly forbidden, but I think it should be allowed in MOS:BOLD and encouraged, as I've seen this done in many other articles in the past. It's especially useful for merged-in content where the text is in the middle of the lead somewhere. Why do you think it's not right? -- &oelig; &trade; 00:51, 9 October 2010 (UTC)
 * But when you don't come to the article from Drop, it looks odd. But maybe the discussion belongs on the MOS talk page? I'm interested because I've seen boldface used in much worse ways, and was wondering why you used it. Dougweller (talk) 17:27, 9 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Yes I agree this should be discussed on the MOS talk page. You're free to quote this there if you want.. -- &oelig; &trade; 08:35, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

Just an FYI
Regarding your edits to List of Life After People episodes, adding anchors is unnecessary as Episode list includes some built in anchors. In most cases, it's just necessary to link to the contents of the "EpisodeNumber" field. For example, linking to List of Life After People episodes takes you straight to the entry that you added the anchor to. It's explained a little better at Template:Episode list. The link at Salton City, California has been fixed accordingly. Cheers. --AussieLegend (talk) 00:28, 9 October 2010 (UTC)


 * Aha! I did not know that! I love learning new things like that, thank you! -- &oelig; &trade; 00:31, 9 October 2010 (UTC)

Happy 10/10/10
I suppose I should've timed this message at 10:10:10 too, but frankly, I can't be arsed. You know how it is.

Did you know... that tenten in Japaense writing are a little wiggly thing, a bit like a quotation-mark, which makes e.g. "ka" (か) into 	"ga" (が) or "fu" (ふ) into "bu" (ぶ) ?

So, take time out to have a bit of a giggle.

All the best, and 10-10 'till we do it again.  Chzz  ► 08:49, 10 October 2010 (UTC)

MfD nomination of Request an account/Administrators
Request an account/Administrators, a page you substantially contributed to, has been nominated for deletion. Your opinions on the matter are welcome; please participate in the discussion by adding your comments at Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Wikipedia:Request an account/Administrators and please be sure to sign your comments with four tildes ( ~ ). You are free to edit the content of Request an account/Administrators during the discussion but should not remove the miscellany for deletion template from the top of the page; such a removal will not end the deletion discussion. Thank you. -- DQ  (t)  (e)  00:11, 12 October 2010 (UTC)

User/Cruks Page
Hello, please help me I want to change the German map on my Wikipedia:Babel to the German flag with a small size. Can you do that? I dont know how to do it. Thanks.Cruks (talk) 17:50, 12 October 2010 (UTC)


 * Well.. it can be done, but because that's a highly-transluded template, many other users use that particular template.. and they might like it just the way it is, and could get angry if it all of a sudden changes. So if it's a drastic change you would have to Subst: the entire Babel template including the Template:User Germany with the changed image so that it only appears on YOUR page in that way and not everyone elses, but unforutunately this causes a lot of extra wikicode in your edit window but it will sill be hidden from readers nonetheless. What eactly kind of image do you want to replace Image:DE-pahyl.svg with? do you already have an image in mind? or were just wanting to simply resize the existing image?? If your new image is fairly similar to the original image and you do not you think it wouldn't cause any sort of controvery then i think we can just go ahead and change the image and hopefully hundreds of users either won't notice or just won't care that the image is different. Anyway, I may be taking the wrong approach at this, I'm not really a template whiz.. so maybe there's a better solution. I would recommend asking User:Jack Merridew or User:MZMcBride at their talk pages as they can work magic with this kinda stuff. -- &oelig; &trade; 22:12, 12 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Hello, thanks for that info. I think you misunderstood my intentions. The Image:DE-pahyl.svg should be replaced by the normal german flag and it should say: user is from Germany. Thats all. I think there are templates with just the flag, that is good. I dont want the map.Cruks (talk) 04:18, 13 October 2010 (UTC)


 * You can find a variety other German flag templates here or you could also just create your own template and make it exactly how you want. -- &oelig; &trade; 04:22, 13 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Thank you! But it says now I would be a resident, which is not true. I am living abroad. So it should say that I am just a citizen of Germany or coming from Germany. Can you change that too?Cruks (talk) 08:13, 13 October 2010 (UTC)


 * OK, I had to create a whole new template in order to get it to work but there you go :). -- &oelig; &trade; 08:29, 13 October 2010 (UTC)
 * But you did it well. Thanks a lot. So, we started well from here. Can we put additionally any background-colour like lightgrey under the text beside the flag? I will contact you whenever I have further technical problems. And whenever you need me for translation around the portuguese language you are invited to contact me. RegardsCruks (talk) 10:05, 13 October 2010 (UTC)


 * Take a look at Template:User interest Germany. The parameters allow you to customize any aspect of the template. Just use the sandbox to experiment with it. -- &oelig; &trade; 13:22, 13 October 2010 (UTC)

New articles
Hello friend, can you tell me where I can find newly written articles? Regards.--Cruks (talk) 10:36, 14 October 2010 (UTC)


 * Sure! Here's some links:

-- &oelig; &trade; 01:49, 15 October 2010 (UTC)
 * List of new article announcement pages
 * New pages
 * List of promising new articles generated by AlexNewArtBot

Deleted Danny Casale page
Why did you delete my unfinished Danny Casale page? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Wisecracker555 (talk • contribs) 22:50, October 15, 2010
 * Likely because you're not meant to put up half written work. Use the Sandbox for that stuff (Or your user page). Can't say for sure though, as I haven't seen it. Sellyminime (talk) 22:51, 15 October 2010 (UTC)


 * The reason was given in the summary, "G10: Attack page or negative unsourced BLP". Under policy we cannot allow biographical material about a living person that is entirely negative in tone and unsourced. If it was unfinished and you intended to add references it would be a good idea to start the page as draft in your userspace or use the sandbox as Sellminime said. -- &oelig; &trade; 22:58, 15 October 2010 (UTC)

more templates
Hello OlEnglish, please tell me where can I find all templates for example: using Mozilla. Regards.--Cruks (talk) 12:52, 17 October 2010 (UTC)
 * I don't understand the request.. templates using Mozilla in what way? -- &oelig; &trade; 13:59, 17 October 2010 (UTC)

Regina (disambiguation)
I was wondering about this. I read in MOS:DAB that "it is unlikely that this primary meaning is what readers are looking for". So what good is adding a link on the primary topic line do? Indeed it is not common. I don't see any rule against it, but it slightly interrupts machine aided disambiguation (e.g. WP:CLEANER gets slightly confused). What do you think? On what cases should it be added? --Muhandes (talk) 13:33, 17 October 2010 (UTC)


 * On cases that readers would want to click on it anyway because it'll take them to an interesting article to read? ;P meh. if it's causing some kinda trouble it's probably not worth it, i'll unlink it, no big deal. -- &oelig; &trade; 13:54, 17 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks. --Muhandes (talk) 07:47, 19 October 2010 (UTC)

Help in renaming
If you are administrator, could you rename the page, which I created from Diretmichthys to Parin's spinyfin? I accidently named it the genus name last.

cheers, Bruinfan12 (talk) 12:43, 19 October 2010 (UTC)


 * ✅ -- &oelig; &trade; 12:54, 19 October 2010 (UTC)


 * Thanks! I appreciate it!

cheers, Bruinfan12

Userboxes
Hello OlEnglish, please tell me if you have here a MozilleFirefox Userbox. I am looking for one. Regards.Cruks (talk) 13:22, 19 October 2010 (UTC)


 * You can find a list of userboxes here: Userboxes/Gallery. For example, there's several Mozilla Firefox userboxes listed at Userboxes/Software. -- &oelig; &trade; 13:59, 19 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Sorry, I tried without any success. Can you put the User prefers Mozilla Firefox box after the User comes from Germany box, please. I have severe problems to put this stuff on the right place. I dont know whats going on. Thanks.Cruks (talk) 15:05, 19 October 2010 (UTC)
 * OK I added it for you. ps. don't forget to use edit summaries! it's more important than you may realize. -- &oelig; &trade; 00:59, 20 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks OlEnglish, I have not yet experienced using edit summaries. I will have a close lookt at it when necessary. Cruks (talk) 09:23, 20 October 2010 (UTC)

Concepts (musician)
Did you look at the EL you added back to Concepts (musician) it appears to only be an order form for a T-shirt. Maybe my browser is missing something else on the page? Weetoddid (talk) 21:25, 19 October 2010 (UTC)


 * Yes well, it IS his official site, just happens that the first page is an ad for a t-shirt hehe, there's a link at the bottom to let you continue on to the main site. I updated the link to that next page. -- &oelig; &trade; 00:30, 20 October 2010 (UTC)

Cooperation
Hello, I'm Maciej from Poland. I will cooperate with You. I can speak in basic English, and You in basic Polish. We can improve our skills :). Regards MatthiasGor (talk) 14:08, 21 October 2010 (UTC)


 * OK sounds good! :) &oelig; &trade; 19:48, 21 October 2010 (UTC)

Barnstars for cleaners?
Category_talk:Wikipedia_backlog Rich Farmbrough, 13:59, 22 October 2010 (UTC).

A question...
If you have a moment, I hope you can help me with something puzzling. I am nearly certain that I put a db-move tag on the Blues rock redirect, so that Blues-rock could be moved there. I cannot find any evidence that I did so, but the page history indicates it was redirected on the 19th of this month, which is puzzling. Was the page recently recreated as a redirect? As I say, I find this very puzzling. In keeping with precedent, Blues-rock should be at Blues rock, with no hyphen. --- RepublicanJacobite  The'FortyFive' 14:01, 22 October 2010 (UTC)


 * Yes, it looks like User:Bearian deleted it as per your G6 tag on 00:26, October 19, but it was then recreated as a redirect on 16:57, October 19 by User:Matsintok. I've performed the move. -- &oelig; &trade; 01:52, 23 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Thank you for taking care of this. I was starting to doubt either my memory or my sanity.  Cheers! --- RepublicanJacobite  The'FortyFive'  01:57, 23 October 2010 (UTC)


 * No prob. -- &oelig; &trade; 01:57, 23 October 2010 (UTC)

Re Bangladesh production discography
Okay, thank you so much. I never knew production ones needed one. ΣПDiПG–STΛЯT  (Talk)  14:38, 23 October 2010 (UTC)

Talkback
 Ⓢ ock   22:49, 24 October 2010 (UTC)

Aloha! E komo mai!
Nice to see there's another helper onboard. ^_^ VernoWhitney (talk) 14:57, 27 October 2010 (UTC)


 * Yes, I think I've found my niche ;) &oelig; &trade; 07:57, 29 October 2010 (UTC)

Template:Cleanup
See Template talk:Cleanup. I thought I had a brilliant new idea, then looked at earlier discussion on this template's talk page and found you had already suggested it. It is technically very easy to do, but I am not sure how to actually make it happen. Aymatth2 (talk) 18:54, 27 October 2010 (UTC)


 * I wasn't sure how to do it either, but it doesn't look like consensus is in our favour anyway. I'm sorry I couldn't add anything further to the discussion. My main reasoning was that in cases where the page layout is such that a wide tag would be too visually distracting, an optional 'small=yes' parameter would give editors more freedom to display the article in a way that would be aesthetically pleasing to the reader but still informing them of maintenance issues, whether they be minor or major. -- &oelig; &trade; 08:02, 29 October 2010 (UTC)


 * That was what I was thinking too. An editor adding a warning tag should have some choice about how it appears, within limits. Technically, it is very easy to do. The underlying  template supports a "small" parameter, letting the editor say a box should float to the left or to the right with width of 200px, or by default should stretch across the page with a width of 80%. A very small change to the warning template is all that is needed. But there seems to have been a huge debate over the years about warning tags, and opinions have hardened to the point where no change is possible. I don't feel passionately about the subject, and it seems a waste of time to pursue it. Too bad. Aymatth2 (talk) 14:00, 29 October 2010 (UTC)


 * Thinking on, it strikes me that a related problem may be failing to note the severity of a condition. I can imagine a clear, well-illustrated and thorough description of some species of bird, that does not cite any sources. The subject seems uncontroversial and there is no reason to suppose the article is inaccurate, biased etc., but it should be tagged to show the sourcing problem. Conceivably, it is an elaborate hoax. I compare that to a poorly written and impassioned article on some Balkan conflict, again with no sources. There is every reason to suppose the article is inaccurate, biased etc., although it could be correct. Sources are badly needed to support the claims. The tag should very visible and the article placed in a high-priority queue. Maybe the warning templates should have a "severity" parameter with values low, medium (default) and high. The severity value would affect visual appearance and clean-up category. But I have a feeling any suggestion like that would go nowhere, swamped by the all or nothing camps. :~( Aymatth2 (talk) 17:28, 29 October 2010 (UTC)

Ancient Pueblo Peoples
Thank you for adding the copypaste tag on that article. Basically, the section was copied from two websites: http://www.angelfire.com/indie/anna_jones1/fajada_butte.html and http://www.solsticeproject.org/celeseas.htm. Anyway, I've removed the copyrighted text from that section and the template appropriately. Minima c  (talk ) 06:16, 30 October 2010 (UTC)


 * Great! Thanks! -- &oelig; &trade; 06:24, 30 October 2010 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Andrew Conley


A tag has been placed on Andrew Conley, requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section G4 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the article appears to be a repost of material that was previously deleted following a deletion debate,. Under the specified criteria, where an article has substantially identical content to that of an article deleted after debate, and any changes in the content do not address the reasons for which the material was previously deleted, it may be deleted at any time.

If you think that this notice was placed here in error, you may contest the deletion by adding to the top of the page that has been nominated for deletion (just below the existing speedy deletion, or "db", tag; if no such tag exists, then the page is no longer a speedy delete candidate and adding a hang-on tag is unnecessary), coupled with adding a note on the talk page explaining your position, but be aware that once tagged for speedy deletion, if the page meets the criterion, it may be deleted without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag yourself, but don't hesitate to add information to the page that would render it more in conformance with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. If the page is deleted, you can contact one of these administrators to request that the administrator userfy the page or email a copy to you. VQuakr (talk) 06:48, 1 November 2010 (UTC)
 * To expand, the AfD appeared to explicitly state that there was not consensus for a redirect to Dexter (TV series). I notice that while I am writing this you have undid the speedy nom, and after reviewing the G4 criteria I agree it does not fit for this nom. I still think it should be deleted per the AfD, however. VQuakr (talk) 06:54, 1 November 2010 (UTC)


 * The consensus at the AfD was to delete without a merge. There was opposition to a merge, not a redirect. -- &oelig; &trade; 06:57, 1 November 2010 (UTC)


 * Looks like we interpret the AfD differently, but I have no problem bringing it to a wider discussion. Regards! VQuakr (talk) 14:36, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

Islam template
Hi. Please have a look here and make the apropriate changes in the template, if you agree. Thanks. --Aliwiki (talk) 20:57, 1 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Could you please use the editprotected template? I'm not normally involved in updating that template, I was just responding to another request at the time. -- &oelig; &trade; 12:49, 2 November 2010 (UTC)

Ta
for the rollback. Off to bed now, so I can't investigate it yet... Peridon (talk) 22:09, 2 November 2010 (UTC)

It's raining thanks spam!

 * Please pardon the intrusion. This tin of thanks spam is offered to everyone who commented or !voted (Support, Oppose or Neutral) on my recent RfA. I appreciate the fact that you care enough about the encyclopedia and its community to participate in this forum.
 * There are a host of processes that further need community support, including content review (WP:GAN, WP:PR, WP:FAC, and WP:FAR). You can also consider becoming a Wikipedia Ambassador. If you have the requisite experience and knowledge, consider running for admin yourself!
 * If you have any further comments, input or questions, please do feel free to drop a line to me on my talk page. I am open to all discussion. Thanks &bull; Ling.Nut (talk) 02:28, 3 November 2010 (UTC)

Andrew Conley listed at Redirects for discussion
An editor has asked for a discussion to address the redirect Andrew Conley. Since you had some involvement with the Andrew Conley redirect, you might want to participate in the redirect discussion (if you have not already done so). Bridgeplayer (talk) 16:53, 3 November 2010 (UTC)

Request the aid of your adminnish abilities
Hi! Could you take a look at the deleted revisions of Cory Howerton and pull out the links in references/ELs and put them on the article talk page or the like so that an editor can use them to try and rewrite the page without copyvio? VernoWhitney (talk) 04:28, 5 November 2010 (UTC)
 * ✅ -- &oelig; &trade; 07:26, 5 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks! I'll let them know just in case they missed it. VernoWhitney (talk) 12:31, 5 November 2010 (UTC)

Heads up
For your attention, sir: Requests for adminship/VernoWhitney. :) --Moonriddengirl (talk) 12:16, 5 November 2010 (UTC)

Adminwearingdiapers possible sock of the admin hating IP
hi you hardblocked Adminwearingdiapers for their username, is it possible that they are the admin hating IP who has struck again today with their rude article names, someother admins have dealt with them such as Soap, i left a message when i saw the new account pop up on list of new accounts--Lerdthenerd (talk) 15:08, 5 November 2010 (UTC)


 * Yes it's quite likely they're the same person. -- &oelig; &trade; 15:16, 5 November 2010 (UTC)

Invitation to the December 2010 Wikification Backlog Elimination Drive
Sumsum2010 ·T ·C 18:25, 6 November 2010 (UTC)


 * You know.. this got me thinking.. I should start one of these backlog elimination drives for WikiProject Orphanage. I often de-orphan articles, and find it quite fun actually. So that probably would be something I'd be motivated in excelling at if it was organized in a context like these elimination drives. -- &oelig; &trade; 18:34, 6 November 2010 (UTC)
 * I'd participate in that too! ~dee  ( talk? ) 21:28, 6 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Cool! ya, and the project could really use a boost. -- &oelig; &trade; 21:42, 6 November 2010 (UTC)
 * With a backlog of over 100k+.. there seems to be plenty of work to be done there. Better than WP:UNCAT anyway. It takes seconds to add an article to a couple of categories...seconds...so I fail to understand why some editors still slap an uncategorized template to an article. ~dee  ( talk? ) 22:10, 6 November 2010 (UTC)
 * I think many are done automatically on-the-fly with AWB. -- &oelig; &trade; 22:21, 6 November 2010 (UTC)

Since you seem to care about it
I'd like to report somebody who keeps editing of the American part of Heidi Klum's nationality on the Victoria's Secret page. As you can check on various sources, she is indeed American. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.141.40.83 (talk) 03:28, 7 November 2010 (UTC)


 * You should try to contact that person by leaving them a message on their talk page, asking them why they keep removing it. Also post a message on the article's talk page stating your case. -- &oelig; &trade; 04:00, 7 November 2010 (UTC)

ANI Thread
Your actions need explaining here   Giacomo   18:41, 7 November 2010 (UTC)

Loved this comment, didn't want to clutter the RfA
"There's a certain satisfaction one gets from doing maintenance work; keeping Wikipedia clean and running smoothly, knowing that you're making a difference, that you serve a useful purpose. Although it may be tedious its rewarding in the end." Thanks, that is precisely how I feel in my gnoming, and delightfully phrased. Cheers! --j &#9883; e deckertalk 23:33, 8 November 2010 (UTC)


 * Thanks :) &oelig; &trade; 23:36, 8 November 2010 (UTC)

False Accusation
You incorrectly labeled me as a creator of sock puppets. User:Aglabal is not my sock puppet. Just because someone makes a vaguely similar name to your own and vandalizes your user page does not make them your sock puppet.

The fellow in question has been trolling me for nearly two years (view the edit history of my user page). He's funny and creative, and he's never done anything to try and get me banned or that was too vulgar. You, on the other hand, made a false and reckless accusation. I am asking you to clarify that notice or remove it entirely from Aglabal's user page.

If you want to actually help and know some way to stop the vandalism from this character, please do. Otherwise, don't falsely accuse me of things that could get me banned.

Thanks. Algabal (talk) 22:13, 11 November 2010 (UTC)


 * That template I placed on User:Aglabal is not reckless, it made sense to me at the time, and it doesn't even mention the word "sockpuppet", you were never at risk of being "banned". If that isn't an alternate account of yours you could have easily just removed the notice yourself instead of leaving me this hostile message. -- &oelig; &trade; 22:43, 11 November 2010 (UTC)


 * I'm glad to hear you removed the false accusation you made against me. It was indeed reckless of you as even the most cursory examination of that user's edit history would reveal he wasn't me. I hope you will take more care in the future to review edit histories before making false claims. Furthermore, make sure you leave a message on the user's talk page to help avoid them suffering punitive action due to the reckless accusations of others. Thanks, Algabal (talk) 23:10, 11 November 2010 (UTC)


 * As a last note, I'd be very thankful if you would share the evidence you had that he was a sockpuppet of mine beyond us having similar usernames (!?!). Since you claim that it "made sense to me at the time", I'd appreciate you sharing the evidence you used to determine this was the case. By the way, I'm not being hostile: I am simply frustrated by your lack of diligence, especially as someone who wants to become or has become an admin. Algabal (talk) 23:17, 11 November 2010 (UTC)


 * No, it was not reckless. It made sense. The user Aglabal made TWO edits to your userpage at the time the template was placed: and, these did not appear to be vandalism at all and that's what made me think you've just created an alternate account for yourself. I did not notice at the time that the user was also editing your userpage as an IP, and yes I should have left a message on your talk page, I admit to these mistakes. But that template on that userpage was not intended to "accuse" you of sockpuppetry, and in fact if you bothered to read the relevant policy page on alternate accounts you'd understand that you were never at any risk of being "banned" (or rather blocked, since you don't seem to be aware of the difference between a block and a ban). Oh and yes I'm already an admin, and this occurred in June 2009 way before I became an admin so adminship is irrelevant to this matter. --  &oelig; &trade; 23:34, 11 November 2010 (UTC)


 * Thanks for this detailed response, now I just wish you had applied this level of care at the time of posting the notice. :) Algabal (talk) 02:11, 13 November 2010 (UTC)

Re: SatNam
Hi Fellow editor. I have added some references. I think much of it could be cut. What do you think? Thanks --Sikh- History 14:46, 12 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Yes, the references are great, but that was not the issue I was having with the article. I was set to delete pretty much everything below the lead paragraph as being non-encyclopedic in tone, but I was hoping with your knowledge of the subject you could possibly rewrite it and perhaps salvage some of the content, helping to remove some of those tags. But if this seems like too much to take on at this time then don't worry yourself over it, I basically just wanted to make someone else aware of the fact that the article needs work. -- &oelig; &trade; 14:58, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

removing external links - clarification
Hi,

While I realize one of your jobs is to prevent spam and duplicate/wasteful links, I disagree with the comment you left in the Avenal Prison page: "please stop spamming this link. it's not directly related to this specific prison anyway". These are topic driven dedicated forums for each individual prison. Are you actually checking the link and where it leads? If so, how is a dedicated discussion forum based strictly on Avenal State Prison (etc) not directly related to the wiki page on this prison? Someone that lands on a specific wiki prison page is not going to see a Top Level link in (ex) the Prison category. If I was adding "www.prisontalk.com/forums" to each of these pages, I would agree with you, but that is not the case.

I'd like to hear your thoughts on this matter. I'm not trying to waste your time (or mine), but feel that direct links like this are legitimate, and not spam.

Thanks, David —Preceding unsigned comment added by Aeroviewusa (talk • contribs) 19:26, 12 November 2010 (UTC)


 * I left you a message on your talk page when I first saw you adding this link to the article Prison, I asked you if you could please stop adding these links to further individual prison articles as it can be seen as spam regardless of the fact that it's tailored to each specific prison, instead you chose to ignore this and continue adding the links. Any further assumption of good faith on my part has been negated by your creating a sockpuppet account to further add these links. --  &oelig; &trade; 19:36, 12 November 2010 (UTC)


 * And I take back what I said in my edit summary about "it's not directly related to this specific prison anyway". I should not have made that quick assumption. -- &oelig; &trade; 19:39, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

I did not ignore you. I simply was not aware you sent me anything. Obviously, I am new here and the messaging systems I am used to dealing with give you more of a visual indicator of a new message. With regard to your comment about being or having a "sock puppet", that simply is not true, which could easily be determined by an IP check, if that is within your capability to do. Shaa63 is a fellow member at PrisonTalk.com as well as a few others. All that being said, do you still consider posting dedicated links to specific forums as SPAM? If so, is there any type of appeal process, as I don't feel adding useful (dedicated) links to forums that could only benefit wiki visitors as being spam.

Thanks, David —Preceding unsigned comment added by Aeroviewusa (talk • contribs) 19:54, 12 November 2010 (UTC)


 * I see. I will give you the benefit of the doubt because you are new, as I'm trying to not be bitey. I understand that you consider the links to be useful and beneficial, but yes, I do still consider the continued addition of links from the same site to multiple articles as "spamming", especially when that is evidently the sole purpose of your account. Of course you are free to question my judgment on this matter and appeal to the External links noticeboard, or ask for a third opinion, or any of the other venues for Dispute resolution that Wikipedia makes available. I base my decision on the following content guidelines:


 * WP:LINKSPAM - "Although the specific links may be allowed under some circumstances, repeatedly adding links will in most cases result in all of them being removed."
 * WP:ELNO #10 - "Links to social networking sites (such as MySpace and Facebook), chat or discussion forums/groups (such as Yahoo! Groups), Twitter feeds, Usenet newsgroups or e-mail lists."


 * I appreciate you discussing this with me in a civil manner. -- &oelig; &trade; 20:12, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

I've been accused a time or two of being a TOS / POLICY Nazi in the forums I admin. Suffice it to say, I should have read up on Wikipedia's policies prior to doing anything here. While I still don't feel the links are spam in the traditional sense, #10 addresses it exactly here, and that is what matters. Thanks for taking the time to share both with me. We deal with spam in our forums on a daily basis so I am sympathetic to what you and the other admins/editors are dealing with..

Have a good one and chances are you will see me on here again adding some useful content.. Probably in the prison section where there appears to be some lacking info on many of the prisons.

Regards, David —Preceding unsigned comment added by Aeroviewusa (talk • contribs) 21:09, 12 November 2010 (UTC)


 * That's really good to hear that you plan on expanding our prison-related articles; you're right that many of them sure could use improvement! If you ever need help with anything in the future, don't hesitate to ask me. -- &oelig; &trade; 00:14, 13 November 2010 (UTC)

Grading outlines
I've been looking through the outlines, trying to find the best ones, and wound up starting to grade them.

I've included the worst and the best, and have left out the stuff in-between.

Dismal:
 * Outline of family and consumer science

Poor:
 * Outline of performing arts
 * Outline of cartography

Due to their extensive use of embedded nav footers, I don't know how to grade these:
 * Outline of Africa
 * Outline of Asia
 * Outline of Europe
 * Outline of North America
 * Outline of South America
 * Outline of astronomy

Good start:
 * WikiProject Outline of Knowledge/Drafts/Outline of tropical cyclones

Good coverage, and fairly clean:
 * Outline of Akrotiri and Dhekelia
 * Outline of Åland
 * Outline of Somaliland
 * Outline of artificial intelligence
 * Outline of critical theory
 * Outline of cryptography
 * Outline of fiction
 * Outline of forensics
 * Outline of free software
 * Outline of hydrology
 * Outline of meteorology (place links from nav footer)
 * Outline of mining
 * Outline of nuclear technology
 * Outline of photography
 * Outline of space exploration
 * Outline of the visual arts

Well-developed, but need touch up:
 * Outline of bicycles (place links from see also section in the outline)
 * Outline of Canada (remove infoboxes, after placing links)
 * Outline of China (redlinks)
 * Outline of military science and technology (footer block)
 * Outline of probability (linked headings)
 * Outline of transport (linked headings)

Well-developed:
 * Outline of the United Kingdom
 * Outline of England
 * Outline of Northern Ireland
 * Outline of Saint Helena
 * Outline of British Columbia
 * Outline of Saskatchewan
 * Outline of agriculture
 * Outline of anarchism
 * Outline of Buddhism
 * Outline of classical studies
 * Outline of chocolate
 * Outline of computer science
 * Outline of epistemology
 * Outline of festivals
 * Outline of history
 * Outline of library science
 * Outline of motorcycles and motorcycling
 * Outline of physical science
 * Outline of sharks
 * Outline of thought
 * Outline of wine
 * Outline of World War II

Well-developed, with good picture support:
 * Outline of France
 * Outline of Gibraltar
 * Outline of Iceland
 * Outline of Japan
 * Outline of Taiwan
 * Outline of Thailand
 * Outline of architecture
 * Outline of water

Well-developed, fully annotated:
 * Outline of cell biology

Well-developed, with full annotation and pics
 * I think this one may be the "best of breed":


 * Outline of forestry

Let me know what you think.

 Th e Tr ans hu man ist   04:53, 13 November 2010 (UTC)


 * Looks like you got more well-developed ones than bad ones, that's certainly a good thing. I really liked Outline of anarchism in particular. Perhaps you can incorporate some kind of grading system into the Outlines Project talk page template. -- &oelig; &trade; 13:36, 13 November 2010 (UTC)

Folk etymology: Your input requested
I am looking for people with interests in folklore (editors I’ve encountered on folklore/mythology articles as well as elsewhere) to visit talk:Folk etymology, where there is an ongoing edit dispute. One view (three people) holds that the term is exclusive to linguistics, and another (just me) finds that the term has been formally defined within folklore, and used in academic journals in that sense for more than a century. The page is currently locked. I ask your input not in support of either view, but because discussion seems to have come to a standstill, it seems to be a page few stumble across, and needs fresh viewpoints to get unstuck. Thanks! DavidOaks (talk) 18:04, 15 November 2010 (UTC)


 * Well, it looks like you've already started an RfC.. I'm not sure what else I could do help, I don't really have a viewpoint on this either way. You could try notifying the talk pages of any relevant WikiProjects.. there's also Category:Wikipedians interested in etymology and Category:Wikipedians interested in linguistics.. -- &oelig; &trade; 18:18, 15 November 2010 (UTC)

AfC
Regarding Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Jennifer Fitzgerald, I think it would be helpful if you examined the article and gave an opinion without regard to its previous AfD status. The user in question went to AfC partly (maybe completely) on my advice. I'm not trying to make it "someone else's problem" but I am hoping either that different editors come up with the same reasoning or that a suitable article is created. Obviously that AfC one wasn't it, but I think the editor needs to hear specific reasons why. Thanks for anything you can add to it. Frank &#124;  talk  12:36, 17 November 2010 (UTC)


 * Hi Frank. I'm afraid I don't have anything I could add to what's already been said at the AfD and DelRev. However I thought it a bit odd that the user didn't try to create the expanded version that is in their userspace: User:UhOhFeeling/Jennifer Fitzgerald. The version they submitted to AfC is an almost exact duplicate of the one that was deleted per AfD (and therefore that page is actually eligible for a speedy) but this version is substantially different and could have been accepted, so I'm wondering why didn't they submit that one instead? -- &oelig; &trade; 17:17, 17 November 2010 (UTC)


 * Upon closer inspection I see that the expanded version is also just an earlier version of the same deleted article and was not actually rewritten by the user. I think the best option for a legit recreation of an article on this subject would be to totally rewrite it instead of trying to resurrect old versions which have already gone through proper deletion processes. I don't know what else can be done here. -- &oelig; &trade; 17:25, 17 November 2010 (UTC)
 * I completely agree with your analysis. That was part of why I was suggesting AfC in the first place; I wanted the opinion to come from someone else. I have said this many, many times and I think if it is heard from different corners of Wikipedia, it would have more effect. If I was thinking of something just a little different from you, I guess I was hoping that instead of saying "see the AfD" we could have something like "this article doesn't meet criteria for reasons A, B, and C - quite apart from the AfD results." But I'm not criticizing or faulting you at all. Sorry if I came across that way. Frank  &#124;  talk  17:29, 17 November 2010 (UTC)

Newsweek Daily Beast
No, not at all. Just fixing a previous cut-paste move from The Daily Beast Newsweek Publishing to The Newsweek Daily Beast Company. This has nothing to do with the main Newsweek article.--res Laozi speak 11:34, 18 November 2010 (UTC)

American pop culture
(Also posted to User talk:Herostratus.) I removed the articles that were in Category:American pop culture because I was attempting to refocus the category from being a catch-all of things in American pop culture to articles actually *about* pop culture. Sorry for not responding earlier; I was, indeed, busy. :) Trivialist (talk) 00:01, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

Close a Wikiproject proposal.
Hi there. I proposed a Wikiproject on Whitney Houston before. Nobody has responded. Can you please close it? Another question. Can I start a task force on my own? Thanks No vice 7  Talk  16:41, 19 November 2010 (UTC)


 * OK I closed and archived it. It's a real shame that the WikiProject proposals page is not as patrolled as it should be. Ever since all the major WikiProjects have been created the Council has grown increasingly inactive, which is unfortunate because there are still plenty of good wikiproject ideas left. And yes of course you can start a task-force on your own. Please do! -- &oelig; &trade; 19:36, 21 November 2010 (UTC)


 * Thank you. No vice 7  Talk  11:04, 22 November 2010 (UTC)

WP:ACTIVIST
Please, before blanking all those links, participate in the associated talk page discussion. Cla68 (talk) 08:04, 20 November 2010 (UTC)

Re: Beach Boys song redirects
I have responded here. I didn't start a discussion because WP:NSONGS explicitly backs me on this, and the song stubs I redirected were completely useless. I admit I might have made a mistake with the talk pages, could you tell me what the correct thing to do is?—indopug (talk) 03:56, 23 November 2010 (UTC)


 * OK I understand. I just noticed the mass-redirecting and blanking and I reacted, but I realize you know what you're doing. As for the talk pages of redirected articles, maybe it's just my own personal quirk, but I never redirect or blank, especially if there was prior discussion there, because it may still be relevant, and the article may yet still be expanded on. If the talk page consists only of wikiproject banners then I would change the <tt>|class=</tt> parameter to "Redirect-class" so that it is still categorized as a redirected former article, giving benefit to those who may be browsing the category and may want to view the article's past history, even if it may just be a "useless stub". -- &oelig; &trade; 04:42, 23 November 2010 (UTC)


 * Agree with OE on this, I have just re-added WPSongs|class=redirect to all the songs AND added Category:Redirects from songs on the article page, too. Richhoncho (talk) 22:44, 24 November 2010 (UTC)


 * Thank you! -- &oelig; &trade; 00:42, 25 November 2010 (UTC)

Thanks
Thanks for the roll back rights. I used to live in Victoria - over the water from you. A beautiful part of the world. My, I miss BC. Best wishes Span (talk) 16:13, 25 November 2010 (UTC)


 * No problem. I saw all the vandalism you were undoing. Now things should go a whole lot smoother for you. :) Let me know if you want the Reviewer right too. -- &oelig; &trade; 01:22, 26 November 2010 (UTC)

Thanks!
Sorry, I didn't realize until now. Thank you. The Dark Peria (talk) 20:17, 25 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Anytime. -- &oelig; &trade; 01:23, 26 November 2010 (UTC)

Can you help me find out if part of an article is wrong?
Hi, I have previously only read articles here and know nothing about how to find out who entered information I believe to be incorrect. I would like to send a message to them to find out at what point(s) in the movies Bullitt (1968) and The Love Bug (1969), that Lombard Street is even shown much less featured prominently. Here is the article and section in question: Lombard Street (San Francisco) - In media.

I went through both movies a few times and searched from the crooked section further east and downhill in Google Maps street level view. I did not search west (uphill) from the crooked section because the altitude of all possible scenes could not be that high.

Thank you. —Preceding unsigned comment added by AjiSabaki (talk • contribs) 00:13, 27 November 2010 (UTC)


 * Hi AjiSabaki. To find out who edited an article, you need to view its page history (see Help:Page history for further information on how to do this). The editor who added the information was IP user with this edit. To send them message you can do so at their talk page. However, from the information you've given me about the research you did, I already made the decision to remove the offending text from the article as being unverified. --  &oelig; &trade; 04:13, 27 November 2010 (UTC)

Thanks and I have another question.
Thanks for letting me know what to do. I really will read more from Wikipedia before I attempt any change of an article on my own but flagging something as maybe needing a citation would be safe for me to do.

Because you do so much work on Wikipedia, I was wondering if there is a place to post requests for articles. Here is why. I am currently doing a posting at my own web site on all the references in Woody Allen's movie "Annie Hall". During the LA party, there is a mention of Ess or Es, I don't know how it's spelled. I do remember hearing about it in the 1970s as some sort of self-improvement cult but can find no place on the Internet as well as Wikipedia that would have information about it.

I know you are very busy with other things so I promise this is the last time I shall bother you with a question.

Thanks, AjiSabaki (talk) 05:44, 27 November 2010 (UTC)Aji Sabaki


 * There is indeed a place to post requests for articles, it's at Requested articles, where you must choose a relevant topic subcategory then list your requested article title. See also Requests for a directory of further request departments.


 * Regarding the Annie Hall reference, we have a place on Wikipedia where you can ask questions on whatever you want to know about the movie: it's at Reference desk/Entertainment. Just post a message there and perhaps someone reading the board will have the information you seek.


 * Don't worry about bothering me with questions, I'm happy to help and am always willing to answer any questions; part of my duties on Wikipedia is to help new users. BTW, we also have a Help desk you can utilize in case I'm not around. -- &oelig; &trade; 06:11, 27 November 2010 (UTC)

I forgot to indicate where.
Es or Ess is mentioned at 1:16:04 in Annie Hall. —Preceding unsigned comment added by AjiSabaki (talk • contribs) 05:55, 27 November 2010 (UTC)

Bristol Palin article
I have a question or two related to your approval of an edit request at Bristol Palin. It would be helpful for me to understand what standard of review you used? For example, you said the edit was a "model display of how to format" and you inserted it into the article though there was no discussion yet by other editors about the edit. Were you able to take the time to read the cites to see if they support the statement? The statement is that the song: "was widely seen as a humorous reference to Sarah Palin", and that certainly sounds innocuous enough and valid on its face, yet none of the four cites actually say that, and only one of the cites comes close. I do not mean this as a personal criticism; I do understand that administrators have to make snap decisions due to the volume of the volunteer work they are doing and that making a determination on politicized article can be difficult. I am just trying to find out what was the reasoning behind your action so that I can make other proposals for changes. -Regards-KeptSouth (talk) 08:24, 29 November 2010 (UTC)
 * No I didn't take the time to read all the cites. I did a quick scan of the user's contribution history and no alarm bells were ringing, so I had no reason, really, to believe that user might be acting mischievously or in bad faith. My statement of "model display of how to format" was not about the content of the requested edit itself, but about the way he formatted it, especially the way he formatted it using tables impressed me as most users don't take the time and effort to do that, it made it very easy to comply with the request. But now that you bring it up I will investigate the citations closer and see if I have to revert myself. -- &oelig; &trade; 08:56, 29 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Well it looks like the 3rd cite does seem to verify the statement, which is not a quote btw, so I don't believe any of the cites need to specifically say exactly those words. You're free to make whatever proposals for changes you deem necessary though. I won't involve myself in that article any further. --  &oelig; &trade; 09:18, 29 November 2010 (UTC)

Corcoran Deletion & Demerge, equates to vandalism.
You deleted an article that was merged, sourced and referenced, can you explain why I shouldn't call an admin and have you blocked?Sheodred (talk) 03:43, 30 November 2010 (UTC)


 * I undid the merge because it was improper. You can't merge a disambiguation page into an article. They're two separate types of pages. I haven't deleted anything, all the content is still there, just back in its proper place. -- &oelig; &trade; 05:36, 30 November 2010 (UTC)