User talk:Pigsonthewing/Archive 19

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Eva Peron article
While I appreciate your attempts to improve the Eva Peron article and I recognize that Wikipedia is a collaborate effort, please know that I have put more work into this article than anyone. I took this article from being a stub to being a Good Article. The article has on a few occasions come close to being delisted. I am attempting to keep it at Good Article standing, hopefully improving it to the level of Featured Article at some point.

You claim that I used weasil words and that my claim is uncited. Likewise, your claim that she is known for the musical is uncited. Further, she is indeed known for the musical -- and several other things. I have reverted your contribution and requested further assistance from others. While I hardly see this as "my article," I do hope you will recognize that my contributions to this article have been widely praised and therefore my contributions are not arbitrary. Thank you. -- Andrew Parodi (talk) 22:57, 3 January 2009 (UTC)


 * WP:OWN; WP:AGF. Andy Mabbett (User:Pigsonthewing); Andy's talk; Andy's edits 23:01, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

WP:PERFECT
Actually ... thanks for having a strong reaction over at WP:PERFECT, and don't let anything I say keep you from arguing what you believe, and arguing in favor of putting the material in WP:PERFECT vs. WP:ACCESS; I don't have a position on which is better. Mulling over your objections to the way I handled the dispute has convinced me that I probably shouldn't be involved in the dispute. That's too many hats to wear for one guy, although I'm going to run that idea by some dispute resolution people. (Watchlisting for a few days.) - Dan Dank55 (send/receive) 15:57, 4 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Thank you. I've been very impressed with your handling of the matter since I commented, and no, I wouldn't let anything stop me from arguing what I believe ;-) Andy Mabbett (User:Pigsonthewing); Andy's talk; Andy's edits 18:00, 4 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Thanks kindly. - Dan Dank55 (send/receive) 18:30, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

Colchester Zoo
Sorry. Just noticed we were getting in each other's way on the Colchester Zoo article. Hope I didn't screw up anything you were doing. -- Escape Orbit (Talk) 22:39, 4 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Not at all; thanks for checking. Your version was better than mine. Andy Mabbett (User:Pigsonthewing); Andy's talk; Andy's edits 22:46, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

User:The Anome/Geolocation scan candidates
I've been working my way through it. The results will be added to the next coord missing run. -- The Anome (talk) 09:40, 6 January 2009 (UTC)

Update: the changes have detected another 23700+ articles to be marked with coord missing. A short test run of a random sample from the data showed no errors, so I'm pretty confident that this data set has a low error rate. The run is now in the my to-do queue.

I do get around to these things eventually, so don't worry, your efforts were not wasted. Thank you for all your efforts. -- The Anome (talk) 10:16, 6 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Splendind. Thank you. Andy Mabbett (User:Pigsonthewing); Andy's talk; Andy's edits 12:19, 6 January 2009 (UTC)

Infobox church: Multiple parameters for saint dedication
Care to weigh in on the discussion at "Template talk:Infobox church"? I welcome more perspectives on the issue. — Cheers, Jack Lee  –talk– 19:36, 8 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Done. Thank you for asking. Andy Mabbett (User:Pigsonthewing); Andy's talk; Andy's edits 19:56, 8 January 2009 (UTC)

Infobox:Sport/sport governing body
Hi POTW - I have effected a merge of these two templates into the big "S" version, so I think the small "s" version can go, but I am not sure how to do this. As this seems to be one of your fields I wondered if you could help - regards Motmit (talk) 19:55, 8 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks - I wasn't sure if a redirect would work. Regards Motmit (talk) 23:11, 9 January 2009 (UTC)

tfd template
When you use, then you must specify the template name as a parameter. See the Template Documentation at Template:tfd and Template_talk:Tfd for more information. Otherwise, the warning displayed on pages that use the template in question will point to the wrong place, e.g. something like Templates_for_deletion instead of Templates_for_deletion, which might lead people viewing a page that uses the template to believe that the discussion has been dropped or closed. I fixed the entry at Template:Infobox Province or territory of Canada but I think that there can be a delay before that change propagates to the pages that use this template. --Big_iron (talk) 22:38, 9 January 2009 (UTC)

Template infobox
Hello Andy. I'm requesting some help in sorting out something involving the templated infoboxes, which, apart from being at the user end, I know nothing about at all, but know you do.

I have been browsing through some of the articles about tibetan lamas and notice that there is no consistency to the usage of infoboxes on those who have a place in a lineage of lamas. eg. Khedrup Gelek Pelzang, the first Panchen Lama uses the Template:Infobox Monarch, his successor, Sönam Choklang uses the Template:Tibetan-Chinese-box, as does his successor, and the following lama has no box at all. The 14th Dalai Lama (incumbent), uses Template:Infobox Dalai Lama (created on 3 January 2009 by User:Iamwisesun), the 13th Dalai Lama use the Monarch box, as do all of his predecessors. The current Karmapa, Rangjung Rigpe Dorje, uses the Template:Infobox Buddhist biography, and none of his predecessors have an infobox at all.

None of these boxes are quite right for this range of people, for example, though the Buddhist biog box has re-incarnation, dharma name, school, lineage, and teacher which the others do not, it does not have the range of names the tibetan-chinese box has, nor does it include the Coronation and Regent data the Monarch and Dalai lama infoboxes have. None of them include ordination date and place.

I think a solution is to include the tibetan-chinese box into the Buddhist biog box, like we do with alternate record covers in the template for the album box. The Buddhist biog template would need to be expanded to include ordination, coronation and regent data. I will post to Iamwisesun letting him know I've posted here to see what they think. Thanks.--Alf talk page 21:14, 11 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Are all Tibetan-Chinese people buddhists? I think the best thing would be for you to start a discussion on the talk page for one of the templates you mention, and point to it from the talk pages of all the others. The current situation does seem a mess. I understand the process for merging/ deleting templates, but not the issues around buddhism, llamas and Tibetan-Chinese people, so am not sure how else I can help. Andy Mabbett (User:Pigsonthewing); Andy's talk; Andy's edits 21:31, 11 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks, I have posted to the Buddhist biog page. Not all Tibetan-Chinese people are buddhists, but the articles which I am looking to fix are lineage lamas of the tibetan buddhist tradition which have been given a heap of names, including those which are expressed in that tibetan-chinese box. I guess it would be another possibility to create a 'template:infobox lama' specifically for tibetan buddhist figures to sort this group of articles out, but I'll see if, and what response is made.Alf talk page 21:55, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

St Walburge's
You fix didn't actually fix the problem! It is almost as bad on a widescreen. There are a couple of solutions, but in fact, I had, only a few hours before, reverted to that format specifically to demonstrate the effects of a very long box, as per the matter under discussion. I'm going to restore the problem, but will return to fix it. In fact the spire pic needs to be in the box. It is for it's spire that the church is renowned. The facade is interesting but not of great significance. Amandajm (talk) 07:27, 12 January 2009 (UTC)


 * No, that's not a good solution. If you use the show preview function, you'll see that even putting the smaller image into the box does not fix the problem. It improves it a little, so that on a narrow screen, the gap in the text is only about an inch. If you have a wide screen, like mine, the gap is still about 4 inches.


 * The solution is more complex than merely putting the smaller (and much less significant picture in the box. The point that has been made here is that not you, or either of the two other editors seems to know what to do with a problem like this. The problem occurs almost every time a large vertical info box is inserted into an existing article. This is one of the reasons that I hate large vertical info boxes, annd really don't want to see the Church box given far more possibilities, so that it can be made to extend for at least a screen and a half down the side of the article! Amandajm (talk) 04:14, 13 January 2009 (UTC)


 * You're restoring a version you know to be broken to make a point ("Please leave this format until other editors have viewed the effect."). Please read WP:POINT; and desist. Andy Mabbett (User:Pigsonthewing); Andy's talk; Andy's edits 08:26, 13 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Did you LOOK at the effect of your change? Did you look at the recent history of the article? Did you look to see how the problem had been solved by the previous fix? My last solution was a solution. Stop treating the box, as if it were a precious object, preserved under glass, The use of a box is up to the individual editor, and ought to be assessed on the requirementsa of the individual article. You don't seem to have any concept of the fact that in the case of St Walburge's, the tallest parish church spire in England is under threat of demolition, and has a temporay stay. The significant matter is not presenting our dear reader with a map of the county, which can be found at the Preston site, but presenting the tallest church spire in England, in all its glory. Go and have another look at the artocle which I have returned to its penultimate (pr my actuall preference) state. You don't seem to realise that the state that you keep leaving it in has a great gap in the text. Are you looking at this page on a very narrow screen by any chance? If you are, then you wont perceive the problems created to formatting on a normal or wide screen.Amandajm (talk) 09:18, 13 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Why don't you take this to the article talk page for wider discussion, instead of edit warring and arguing about it on a user page? FWIW I don't see anything wrong with the infobox; the article is on the church, not the spire. Chris Cunningham (not at work) - talk 09:44, 13 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Did you, as I suggested, read WP:POINT? Andy Mabbett (User:Pigsonthewing); Andy's talk; Andy's edits 17:23, 13 January 2009 (UTC)

St Peter's
The source, being Latin, is all in what we now term "upper case". Can you please put it back into uppercase? Amandajm (talk) 07:49, 12 January 2009 (UTC)

Settlements in the Achaea prefecture

 * See List of settlements in the Achaea prefecture

I could have my bot do the update you required, I think, if I spent long enough coding it. The question would be, Greek Dimos or Infobox settlement? - Jarry1250 (t, c) 19:07, 12 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Thank you. I have nominated Infobox Greek Dimos for deletion. Andy Mabbett (User:Pigsonthewing); Andy's talk; Andy's edits 20:03, 12 January 2009 (UTC)
 * I'd noticed; should I turn them into Greek Dimos on Infobox settlements? - Jarry1250 (t, c) 20:33, 12 January 2009 (UTC)
 * J, you'll need to gain approval for your bot on this new task. I've done this before with my bot, but I have very little time to program it these days (i'm a chemist not a computer programmer, so it doesn't come natural to me).  But I let me know when you get it set up.
 * Andy, good job. You've unknowingly spurred some new development with .  &mdash;  MJC detroit  (yak) 03:32, 13 January 2009 (UTC)
 * So what's it to be Andy? - Jarry1250 (t, c) 19:06, 13 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Infobox Settlement - I'd hardly suggest you use an infobox I've proposed for (and which looks likely to achieve) deletion! Andy Mabbett (User:Pigsonthewing); Andy's talk; Andy's edits 19:29, 13 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Well, you might have done. Theoretically - a statistical possibility. I'm just at the point of starting to code it, btw. Don't hold your breath though, it might take a while. - Jarry1250 (t, c) 19:34, 13 January 2009 (UTC)

←The current version of the bot would replace this page with this page. Could you advise on improvements needed? One problem I know of is that "village" is hardcoded (in the sense that all new infoboxes will be marked as "village"): is it possible to determine this from the old table? Thanks - Jarry1250 (t, c) 19:13, 14 January 2009 (UTC)
 * If the coordinates are supplied in the old infobox, then enter Greece in the the |pushpin_map = field. And I made a few changes to your user pages (check the diff) that you maybe able to incorporated into your bot.  Good luck. &mdash;  MJC detroit  (yak) 20:37, 14 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Looks good to me, Thank you. You could add the timezone; see the infobox at Greece. Your sample page is in Category:Municipalities in the Achaea prefecture, from which you could extract "Municipality", to replace "village" ; likewise for similar categories. Andy Mabbett (User:Pigsonthewing); Andy's talk; Andy's edits 23:43, 14 January 2009 (UTC)
 * If we forgo altitudes, which are quite hard to transfer, I think the bot's ready for a BRFA. What you you guys think? - Jarry1250 (t, c) 11:29, 17 January 2009 (UTC)
 * I'd be happy for you to proceed on that basis; but what's the issue with altitude? Andy Mabbett (User:Pigsonthewing); Andy's talk; Andy's edits 11:39, 17 January 2009 (UTC)

←Actually, you could probably help. The question is where each of these bits of info: fit into these: Now I think about it, that doesn't seem too hard. - Jarry1250 (t, c) 11:45, 17 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Having examined a random sample, there seems to be a lot of imprecise wording, such as "about 300 m (southeast)". This smacks of original research, so I'd be inclined to omit the data. Andy Mabbett (User:Pigsonthewing); Andy's talk; Andy's edits 12:01, 17 January 2009 (UTC)
 * So just ignore altitude then? BRFA filed, by the way.- Jarry1250 (t, c) 12:45, 17 January 2009 (UTC)

COinS
Could you advice me, where to find some information on use of COinS in Wikipedia? --PAD (talk) 13:20, 15 January 2009 (UTC)
 * WikiProject Microformats/COinS. Andy Mabbett (User:Pigsonthewing); Andy's talk; Andy's edits 19:14, 15 January 2009 (UTC)

ITN
On 16 January, 2009, In the news was updated with a news item that involved the article US Airways Flight 1549, which you helped update. If you know of another interesting news item involving a recently created or updated article, then please suggest it on the In the news candidates page. Spencer User talk:Spencer, Special:Contributions/Spencer 15:13, 16 January 2009 (UTC)

Archives of Talk:US Airways Flight 1549
I think you jumped the gun a bit on archiving sections of Talk:US Airways Flight 1549 - I commented in one of those threads just an hour or so before you archived it, so it wasn't exactly an inactive discussion. I'm telling you this just as an FYI; I don't plan on reverting you for two reasons: first, my comments weren't that important and second, I can see that you're having a disagreement with a different editor about forums on the same talk page. I agree with your removal of those sections, but the other editor looks to be stubborn about keeping them. My advice is to wait a while (few days) before removing them again since this is a red-hot article sure to attract many more inappropriate comments. I would suggest just reverting individual comments that are inappropriate as they are posted. –  j ak s mata  20:50, 16 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Thank you for your comments, I wouldn't normally archive such recent discussion, but the volume made the page overly long; and I've previously done the same with other rapidly updated breaking stories. I did check to see that the topics had all ended or been superseded, but must have missed your post, for which I apologise. The other matter is now on ANI. Andy Mabbett (User:Pigsonthewing); Andy's talk; Andy's edits 20:54, 16 January 2009 (UTC)
 * I thought that's what might have happened. Anyway, I'll put in a comment over at ANI. –  j ak s mata  20:56, 16 January 2009 (UTC)

Religion and Science Deletion Issue
Check out this deletion discussion here:  Bletchley (talk) 20:24, 18 January 2009 (UTC)

Please knock it off
posted to User talk:Pigsonthewing and User talk:Andrew Parodi

I don’t suppose there’s any way to get you two to stop disrupting Talk:Eva Perón with whining, baiting, snide comments, overreactions, and the like? Having watched this mutual sniping for several days now, all I can think of is this, so consider this "official", whatever that means:

Andy Mabbett and Andrew Parodi are both banned from editing Talk:Eva Perón, Eva Perón, and each other’s talk pages, for a period of 24 hours. That should be enough to regain perspective. If this ban is violated, I’ll block for 24 hours. If disruption resumes after 24 hours, I’ll also block with no further warnings. When the ban expires, both of you need to make a very careful effort to avoid attributing motives to the other user, or calling anyone names, or indeed any immature behavior. Believe it or not, the best course forward will be to assume that you’re both trying to improve the article, and that some kind of compromise is going to be necessary.

Further, when the ban expires, Andy Mabbett will stop indenting Andrew's comments (it's hurting more than it's helping, and appears designed to cause offense), and will respect Andrew's request to keep all further comments on the article talk page, rather than Andrew's user talk. If Andy truly believes "warnings" to Andrew are necessary, he will do so thru an admin or WP:ANI.

Both of you are being disruptive, both are unacceptably abusing the other, both are acting like [preemptively redacted].

If you disagree with this ban, I suggest you take it up at WP:ANI before making another edit to the above pages; it will be easier to lobby for overruling me at WP:ANI, than from inside an unblock template. --barneca (talk) 21:28, 20 January 2009 (UTC)


 * I've actually mentioned it at ANI anyway; WP:ANI. --barneca (talk) 21:42, 20 January 2009 (UTC)

Infobox UK place images
Re. standardised static image and caption sizes, please refer to Template:Infobox UK place/doc where, for static images, it states "Please set photographs to 240px wide" and then in the full syntax: Dallan72 (talk) 11:24, 24 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Thank you. I've taken up the matter at Small text and image sizes. Andy Mabbett (User:Pigsonthewing); Andy's talk; Andy's edits 11:37, 24 January 2009 (UTC)

WP:3RR
You know about it so I don't have to remind you. Blocking is automatic, you'll be blocked if you keep it up. Guy (Help!) 23:47, 25 January 2009 (UTC)

Are you sure you're blocked? Try editing the sandbox, Guy unblocked you again 5 minutes before your unblock request. If you still can't edit, it's likely an autoblock, and requires more information; look at your block message and follow the directions. --barneca (talk) 00:15, 26 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Thank you, both. I wonder why Guy, who seems to have realised that he had (again) improperly blocked me, did not do that. Come to think of it, I can't seem to find his apology for doing so, either. Andy Mabbett (User:Pigsonthewing); Andy's talk; Andy's edits 18:53, 26 January 2009 (UTC)

Infobox Bridge
I like what I'm seeing. I take it you're not done yet, though. - Denimadept (talk) 23:50, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

Mediation
Hi Andy,

J JMesserly contacted me on my talk page to ask if I could mediate in your disagreements over the microformats templates. As long as you aren't in too much of a rush and, I'd be willing to dedicate some time to it. I'm not familiar with microformats, which might be an asset, but have already stepped in between the two of you before so I don't come to the table with a completely clean slate. That might be either a pro or a contra, depending on your view.

Let me know if you'd be interested in considering this. --Swift (talk) 10:27, 8 February 2009 (UTC)


 * So long as you understand that I don't agree with your earlier conclusions (on Commons; clearly made in good faith); and on the basis that you will need to gain some understanding of microformats, I'd be OK with your involvement. What exactly are you proposing? Do you use, or can you install, Firefox (it will help if you can use the Operator toolbar which both he and I use; though that's not essential) Andy Mabbett (User:Pigsonthewing); Andy's talk; Andy's edits 20:41, 8 February 2009 (UTC)


 * I'm well aware that you may not agree with a mediator's conclusions. Such is the nature of compromise. Would you be willing to submit to mediation that might result in a decision with which you will not agree? One which you would still have to accept?
 * I'm proposing that I step in between you and J JMesserly on the issues where you disagree; read through supporting documents you cite, weigh your arguments and decide what is the best way to move forward. I would strive to take both of your views into consideration. When compromises have to be made, I'd try to make them fair.
 * Installing the Operator plugin and reading up on microformats won't be a problem. --Swift (talk) 14:44, 10 February 2009 (UTC)


 * I didn't refer to any "mediator's conclusions", nor did I say I would not compromise. When you day you will "decide what is the best way to move forward", what do you mean by "decide" - that you will offer advice, or issue an edict? Will you be following any WP policy on mediation? And will you please answer my question on your talk page? Andy Mabbett (User:Pigsonthewing); Andy's talk; Andy's edits 18:14, 10 February 2009 (UTC)


 * You stated that you "don't agree with [Swift's] earlier conclusions [on Commons]". Were I to mediate, that might also be the case here on Wikipedia.
 * Listening to opposing viewpoints has not resulted in workable solutions between the two of you. You can now either hold your ground and try to wear the other party out, or seek help. I doubt mediation will work unless both of you agree to accept the mediators decisions beforehand. This doesn't seem like the sort of situation where advice will suffice. I'm sure you wouldn't be terribly happy had you accepted a number of concessions but when a decisions went against your counterpart's side, he'd refuse to compromise and still stand his ground.
 * I'll read up on WP mediation policy and comment on it if you like. Any points you'd consider of particular importance? Yes, I'll reply to your question on my talk page shortly. --Swift (talk) 14:16, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

WikiProject Birds February newsletter
The February 2009 issue of the Bird WikiProject newsletter has been published. You may read the newsletter, change the format in which future issues will be delivered to you, or unsubscribe from this notification by following the link. Thank you. MeegsC | Talk 21:20, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

Let's put this behind us
Andy, let's put this behind us. I've been working on wikipedia and commons almost as long as you with a comparable number of edits. Further, the subject of the semantic use of SGML is something that stretches back two decade for me. So it's not like the strategy of waiting this out is practical. We both care about this subject so let's collaborate and agree to work these differences out. I am once again making the request that if you feel that some style of encoding is in error, that you cite authoritative support for your assertion rather than simply repeating your assertion that you already have even after I have repeatedly and clearly stated I am unable to find any such citation. Honestly, I know of no such reference to an authority you have given, and if I am mistaken in this I am sorry, but I really have not seen it. The same statement applies to the supposed harm that you assert that my edits have on wikipedia- most recently those concerning vevents. You simply have not shown it. If your arguments have merit and it turns out that your POV is the correct one, then it is a disservice to the community not to support your POV with facts and citations for your position. I am sincere in my offer to make a clean slate of this. Let's start over and collaborate on building the semantic web. It's not a zero sum game we are in. In the end we are both dead and no one will remember us. Rather in the end, everyone wins due to the contributions everyone collectively made to collective knowledge that wikipedia represents. That is a grand effort and it is an honor to work with everyone in that effort- most of all with those who disagree with our POVs. Let me know what you think. People consider me to be unusually patient and tenacious, so please take the time you need to fully consider this proposal. -J JMesserly (talk) 16:20, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
 * I offered to work with you on these issues on Commons before ever encountering you on Wikipedia; and I have offered to work with you here. I have never seen any indication of you accepting those offers in any practical sense. You have made a number of false allegations about me, some of which you apologised for on Commons, though subsequently repeated here. You have made ad hominem attacks about things which happened off Wikipedia some time ago; alongside other derogatory remarks about me You have made claims which you have then tried to substantiate with evidence which in no way supports them; including quoting parts of conversations off-Wikipedia, out-of-context. Your appeal that we "work together" seems to be a smoke-screen for yet again demanding that I answer questions which I have already addressed elsewhere, and which I have told you several times I will not keep answering. How, as part of you proposed "putting this behind us" do you intend to change your behaviour? Andy Mabbett (User:Pigsonthewing); Andy's talk; Andy's edits 23:59, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
 * I am glad to hear you would like to collaborate. Let's work together!  It is an exciting endeavor.  -J JMesserly (talk) 22:53, 15 February 2009 (UTC)
 * You appear to have ignored both the content of my reply and the concluding question. Andy Mabbett (User:Pigsonthewing); Andy's talk; Andy's edits 22:58, 15 February 2009 (UTC)
 * I believe the guidance at Wikipedia is to focus on the content, not on personalities. Let us do constructive work on Wikipedia.  We have a common passion for microformats.  Let's work together. -J JMesserly (talk) 15:54, 17 February 2009 (UTC)
 * You appear to have again ignored both the content of my reply and the concluding question. Andy Mabbett (User:Pigsonthewing); Andy's talk; Andy's edits 20:47, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

Template Start Date
I would like to propose phase out of the Start date template. Due to your lack of opposition to an indefinite moratorium on any future bot runs converting over to Start Date at MOSNUM, I would infer that you are reconsidering your stand on continued use. Is this correct? Do you need more time to consider it? -J JMesserly (talk) 22:53, 15 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Of course I oppose such a "moratorium", as is clear from my responses to your misleading FUD on WP:BOTREQ. Andy Mabbett (User:Pigsonthewing); Andy's talk; Andy's edits 23:01, 15 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Ok. I asked because your silence might have been misconstrued at MOSNUM.  I think the people most interested in the issue are at MOSNUM, so I have copied your argument there.  If the copy I made of your argument is incomplete, then you have an opportunity to correct it.  It is unclear at least to me how the Apollo 8 example demonstrated that the new template ((tl|start-date}} requires more obscure coding. -J JMesserly (talk) 15:51, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

Infobox German municipality
I was wondering if you would think about changing the current layout of the box in coordination with most of the othe rinfoboxes to have a larger map underneath the coat of arms. The current layout renders it that the map is so small it is the same size as the coat of arms which on most wikipedia settlements is at least 200 px while the coat of arms often well under 100 px. Most of the time the map is four times larger at least than the coat of arms, not the same size. For instance on Hockenheim you'd expect the map to be roughly the same size as a the photograph. Add to the map a thick locator pin that we currently have rather than the thinner pin used on the French communes map for instance and it makes the scale of the map awkward especially as we now have much higher quality pin maps. How about flags and coat of arms go side by side on top and you display a decent sized map underneath as with most other countries on here. As for as I can see it is only a hadnful of countries like Germany, Austria and Switzerland and perhaps Norway that insist on keeping it. Any thoughts? Dr. Blofeld      White cat 18:43, 17 February 2009 (UTC)
 * I have no strong feelings either way; but I would hope that eventually this would be merged into settlement, so anything which moves it in that direction would be good. Andy Mabbett (User:Pigsonthewing); Andy's talk; Andy's edits 20:41, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

Edit war
&, you guys are in an edit war. I'm not sure of the details, but you really should seek dispute resolution before an admin blocks both of you. Just a little friendly advice.  shirulashem     (talk)   21:48, 17 February 2009 (UTC)
 * I have already indicated that I would be willing to accept mediation, but have heard no more. I have also asked J JMesserlytop adhere to WP:BRD and discuss his edits, and show consensus for them, but he simply dismisses my points, or denies that I have made them. Andy Mabbett (User:Pigsonthewing); Andy's talk; Andy's edits 22:07, 17 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Andy, I agreed to binding mediation with User:Swift, (see above and swift's user talk on this subject).  His comment to you on this page was that "Listening to opposing viewpoints has not resulted in workable solutions between the two of you.", and I subsequently learned that the correct forum for binding rulings is the formal process at Mediation.  However, as you noted there may be some behavior issues so perhaps the correct forum is arbcom as the admin at the incidents board suggested.  What is your preference of venue?  -J JMesserly (talk) 22:26, 17 February 2009 (UTC)
 * My previous answers refer. Andy Mabbett (User:Pigsonthewing); Andy's talk; Andy's edits 22:43, 17 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Unclear. You stated you "would be willing to accept mediation".  Binding mediation?  This is pertinent because I refuse to engage in a non binding process.  It was unclear in the communications with swift whether you would agree to the results of binding mediation.  I stated I do.  How about you?  Do you prefer binding mediation over Arbcom process? Your choice. -J JMesserly (talk) 23:01, 17 February 2009 (UTC)
 * My previous answers refer. Andy Mabbett (User:Pigsonthewing); Andy's talk; Andy's edits 17:51, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

Ireland naming question
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Aqualate Hall
On January 18, 2009 you added a reference to the article Aqualate Hall. Unfortunately that reference was not specified. I am talking about. Could you please tell me what the reference is, so that I could fix it? Or you could fix it yourself, of course. Thank you. Debresser (talk) 13:54, 8 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Sorry about that. The reference, details of which I've now added, was in material carried over from Aqualate Mere. Andy Mabbett (User:Pigsonthewing); Andy's talk; Andy's edits 18:42, 8 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Debresser (talk) 20:41, 8 March 2009 (UTC)

Request for information
I noticed that you have worked on Infobox Protected area. Do you know how the x and y data is computed and where I can find a list of the sizes of maps that are used. Does the x any y calculation depend on the size of the orignial image or the size at which it will be displayed. -- droll  &#91;chat&#93;  12:10, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
 * No I don't; sorry. Andy Mabbett (User:Pigsonthewing); Andy's talk; Andy's edits 21:15, 21 March 2009 (UTC)

Templates
I noticed that you had voiced concern regarding the current issue surrounding the new templates at the creator's talk page and elsewhere. I thought you might be interested in the discussion I've been having regarding this at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Biography about the template and the process that went into changing the MOS (none), and also this thread I have opened at WP:AN/I. I cannot confirm that a consensus outside of a discussion regarding overall start date/end date templates occurred, and yet, a change was made to the MOS saying that the birth/date templates were recommended (I can find no consensus for that whatsoever). When I started discussing this with the editor, he implied there had little to objection and yet I keep finding it all over the place, including issues brought up when he made changes to the documentation of one project's bio infobox. If you have comments to add, please do so. Thanks. Wildhartlivie (talk) 12:32, 19 March 2009 (UTC)
 * There was no such consensus. I've had problems with this issue, too, and have raised the issue at ANI more than once, but found only ad hominem rejection; hence my reduced involvement of late. Wikipedia's microformats are being wrecked, by one editor, and few seem to care. Good luck. Andy Mabbett (User:Pigsonthewing); Andy's talk; Andy's edits 21:15, 21 March 2009 (UTC)

Community area
Would you kindly close the TfD for Community area properly so that it does not appear at WP:CHIAA forever.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 00:41, 30 March 2009 (UTC)


 * This is a wiki. Andy Mabbett (User:Pigsonthewing); Andy's talk; Andy's edits 19:09, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

Prose timeline and microformats
Are you considering creating/introducing microformat templates for timelines which are in prose? For example, The Stolen Earth has list of dates and locations (both general locations and geotagged locations) which may be useful if we could get them into hCalendar compatible calendars. Then again, getting prose into microformats is evidently more difficult. Sceptre (talk) 09:37, 17 April 2009 (UTC)


 * I have no plans to do any further work applying microformats to Wikipedia, so long as other editors are in the process of damaging what's already done and applying new ones badly; and while admins' response to genuinely-raised concerns about such matters is to make baseless and unjustified ad hominem attacks. Andy Mabbett (User:Pigsonthewing); Andy's talk; Andy's edits 19:09, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

Old deletion discussion for Template:Infobox U.S. Covered Bridge
I noticed that you listed Infobox U.S. Covered Bridge for deletion at Templates for deletion/Log/2009 January 24. The admin who closed the discussion said that the articles that use Infobox U.S. Covered Bridge should be converted to use Infobox Bridge and then the covered bridge template can be marked with db-xfd.

However, it looks like the template is still in use, as shown at Leaman's Place Covered Bridge and others. I haven't checked to determine what needs to be done to convert Infobox U.S. Covered Bridge to Infobox Bridge, or if editors have been using that infobox for new articles after the TFD. You might want to look into this situation to see how it can be resolved. --Elkman (Elkspeak) 20:05, 23 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Thanks, but I'm busy elsewhere. Andy Mabbett (User:Pigsonthewing); Andy's talk; Andy's edits 19:09, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

Help for template
Hello, I've seen your name on the project template and I permis myself to ask you help: I've just created a new portal Portal:Lyon and I would like to create the templates for the subways, trams, bus. They already exist on the french wikipedia of Lyon metro for example. would you accept to help me ? Thank you Lulu97417 (talk) 16:37, 21 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Sorry, no. Good luck elsewhere. Andy Mabbett (User:Pigsonthewing); Andy's talk; Andy's edits 19:09, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

Microformat markup
Maybe I'm missing something obvious, but is there a reason why the code to generate the hproduct markup needs to be different between Infobox Weapon and Infobox Firearm Cartridge? Kirill [talk] [pf] 15:31, 30 May 2009 (UTC)
 * No. Fixed. Andy Mabbett (User:Pigsonthewing); Andy's talk; Andy's edits 19:30, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

Coor microformats
Sorry, but I'm not sure about what a microformat is. My intention, creating those templates was imitate Geo coordinates for being possible create a database similar to the one is today using Google Earth or Google Maps linking to Wikipedia's Earth articles. But my problem is that... I have no knowledge in programming. Does the code used in articles need changes? You have written in Moon and Coor Mars templates, but the most interesting one is Sky. Telescopi (talk) 17:06, 28 May 2009 (UTC)
 * If what you mean is that changes in template will let to have an equivalent to GeoTemplate, for Mars, Moon and sky, and the utilisation of this information in external databases, it is what I was wishing. Telescopi (talk) 07:06, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

Template:Locate me
I recently did some work on templates and maintenance categories and walked in the Locate me template. You said in this edit that it is deprecated. Somebody else said it is for talk pages. I see it on talk pages only at the moment. Was that because all instances in articles were changed to Coord missing? Debresser (talk) 09:04, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes. Andy Mabbett (User:Pigsonthewing); Andy's talk; Andy's edits 17:24, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
 * So what do we do now? Is there a special reason talk pages weren't done? Debresser (talk) 17:31, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
 * No idea; I'm no longer involved. Andy Mabbett (User:Pigsonthewing); Andy's talk; Andy's edits 21:49, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Ok. Thanks. Debresser (talk) 22:39, 3 June 2009 (UTC)