User talk:Pigsonthewing/Archive 24

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Hi. That was an awkward revert as it undid new material. If you have concerns about my recent edit to the template I'll be happy to talk them through with you. If there are particular wordings you wish to improve, please do so. But a revert will undo good things (such as new listings and corrections of errors), so is not advised.  SilkTork  *YES! 23:27, 21 April 2010 (UTC)
 * I've reverted you again. Please take this to the template's talk page, noting the prior consensus there, as previously requested. I future, if you wish to make substantive content changes and major style refactoring make separate edits. Andy Mabbett (User: Pigsonthewing ); Andy's talk; Andy's edits 06:28, 22 April 2010 (UTC)

TfD
Hi Andy. I'm gald we resolved our differences over there. I look forward to working with you to find the best way forward whatever the outcome of that debate. Sorry again to misrepresent you. I thought of striking the whole comment, BTW, but just struck the most objectionable part. The rest is probably not correct, either, now I think more clearly. Anyway, I am glad we can move on and work together --Jubilee♫ clipman  23:04, 23 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Andy Mabbett (User: Pigsonthewing ); Andy's talk; Andy's edits 23:38, 23 April 2010 (UTC)

David Bedford
I've nominated David Bedford for DYK. It may be rejected because expanded articles are supposed to be expanded to five times its previous size in the last week, but it's only doubled. Doesn't hurt to try anyway. You may wish to keep an eye on the nom, especially if they ask for improvements, as I'm sure they will. --A Knight Who Says Ni (talk) 16:07, 24 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Will do. You've done a good job, there. Andy Mabbett (User: Pigsonthewing ); Andy's talk; Andy's edits 16:12, 24 April 2010 (UTC)

Infobox
FYI: I responded to your question on Wikiproject History. --Mcorazao (talk) 19:19, 24 April 2010 (UTC)

Your bot request
Hi Andy. I have (belatedly) started a BRFA for a bot fulfilling your request for date conversion in certain templates. Emily Jensen (talk) 02:03, 27 April 2010 (UTC)
 * That's good to hear; thank you. Andy Mabbett (User: Pigsonthewing ); Andy's talk; Andy's edits 09:43, 27 April 2010 (UTC)

Infobox building merges
Hi. I'm currently thinking about planning a merger of many of our structre/landmark templates on wikipedia into a super template Infobox building like the infobox settlement. I think in the long term for maintenance and consistency purposes this is the way forward. See my comments to Plastikspork. If you are interested I suggest we draw up a list of building templates currently used on wikipedia like Infobox skyscraper, infobox casino etc, infobox lighthouse etc and we find a way to use one template but catered to each building types requirements. Then we can work towards consensus and merging and removing the increasing redunduncies. Dr. Blofeld       White cat 15:11, 3 May 2010 (UTC)
 * That sounds sensible. You might want to start a centralised discussion, and mention it on relevant VP & project pages. Andy Mabbett (User: Pigsonthewing ); Andy's talk; Andy's edits 16:34, 3 May 2010 (UTC)

Editing talk page comments
Things like this are going to get you into trouble. I would very much not like to have Wikipedia lose someone as constructive in templatespace as you again, but treating every argument like a battleground is likely to end that way; remember than uninvolved editors have a tendency to side with admins in personal disputes regardless of who's in the wrong. If you think people are misbehaving then take them to task for it or try a method of dispute resolution; escalating the conflict is only going to end badly. Chris Cunningham (not at work) - talk 12:54, 10 May 2010 (UTC)
 * That's allowable, per TALK. WP:ANI is, as usual, proving utterly ineffective. Andy Mabbett (User: Pigsonthewing ); Andy's talk; Andy's edits 12:58, 10 May 2010 (UTC)


 * ANI is not and never was the correct venue for personal squabbles of this sort. I would have strongly advised you against taking it to ANI on the simple basis that comments along the lines of "admin X is attacking me" are almost always more likely to draw more negative attention to the raiser of the discussion than the alleged transgressor. As for the actual issue, in my experience the editing of others' comments is typically seen as a bad idea unless the comments in question were truly beyond the pale. Take this from an editor sympathetic to your position in a lot of cases who does not want to see you admonished for your behaviour because you get worked up by someone else's bad behaviour. Chris Cunningham (not at work) - talk 13:55, 10 May 2010 (UTC)
 * My use of ANI was per WP:DR. Falsely accusing somebody of being a liar, and more, is "beyond the pale". But thank you for the advice; what do you propose to do about "someone else's bad behaviour"? Andy Mabbett (User: Pigsonthewing ); Andy's talk; Andy's edits 13:58, 10 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Ignore him, as he has little demonstrable credibility on any of the matters at hand (such as the definition of consensus, the evaluation of good arguments, or the interpretation of the microformats standard) at this point, and allow others to defend you if it is deemed necessary. Avoid gainsaying (I would note that you're prone to this); it is not necessary to have the last word in any argument, and if the only reply you have to a given assertion is to deny it then it is fine simply to leave it hang. Attempt to ensure that your replies focus entirely on the matter of the argument and not at all on the behaviour of those opposing you. And most of all, be patient. The various RfCs will run their course and be closed after 30 days; there is no need to do any more than to convince impartial observers of your correctness over the course of the debate, something which you're more than capable of doing simply by sticking to the facts. As for the personal attacks, isolated incidents are best ignored; your personal credibility is not undermined by an editor with little credibility of his own attacking you. Be the better man. Should said attacks escalate, try contacting an uninvolved adminstrator for advice rather than going straight to ANI. I've had a lot of success following these rules. Chris Cunningham (not at work) - talk 14:34, 10 May 2010 (UTC)
 * I ased what you intend to do. Andy Mabbett (User: Pigsonthewing ); Andy's talk; Andy's edits 14:36, 10 May 2010 (UTC)
 * I'm going to wait until the RfCs close and then in all likelihood I'll never have need to interact with DJSasso again. Should things get worse in that time I'll weigh up my options. Chris Cunningham (not at work) - talk 14:51, 10 May 2010 (UTC)

TfD
Please be careful with the template; because it did not have parameters when you nominated, it caused a large deletion warning to appear on hundreds of the articles that use it. See diff. Cheers,  Chzz  ►  20:29, 10 May 2010 (UTC)

Infobox Armenia province
FYI, this one has now been nominated. Plastikspork ―Œ (talk) 19:38, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

Infobox Christian biography
Done. Hopefully I got the hCard stuff correct. There are far too many people infoboxes, as you are well aware. Plastikspork ―Œ (talk) 21:06, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

The Final Cut (album)
There's been an edit war on this article just lately, which has focussed my attention on the concept section in particular. While largely true (when examining the lyrics and reading contributions from across the internet), the existing source (attributed to Blake) wasn't sufficient to cover all that section, and I've been rewriting it using your Complete guide.

You've been involved with this article from very early on, would you mind taking a look and offering your opinion, and if you've the time, taking a look at the concept section in particular? Parrot of Doom 08:14, 17 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks - I'll look later when I can give it the time it deserves. Andy Mabbett (User: Pigsonthewing ); Andy's talk; Andy's edits 10:12, 17 May 2010 (UTC)

GeoTemplate
Hi,

I was looking through Wealdstone F.C. and saw that it uses some "geohack" thing for the coordinates link in the infobox. This led me to GeoTemplate, but I cannot for the life of me figure why it's in templatespace. Any chance of a heads-up? Chris Cunningham (not at work) - talk 09:56, 22 May 2010 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure what the issue is. Where else would it live? Andy Mabbett (User: Pigsonthewing ); Andy's talk; Andy's edits 10:04, 22 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Well, what does it do? From what I can see, geohack lives on the toolserver and emits this. Typically, resource-type things don't live in templatespace: as I say, I'm still not really sure exactly what this is, but is it similar to Special:BookSources? Chris Cunningham (not at work) - talk 10:36, 22 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Well, I didn't put it there. Suggest you ask on its talk page. Andy Mabbett (User: Pigsonthewing ); Andy's talk; Andy's edits 10:53, 22 May 2010 (UTC)

Infobox user
The pipe you removed from the  row here inverted its meaning and I had to restore it (title and above are intended to be mutually exclusive here depending on whether or not the user has specified a background colour). Doesn't look to have affected the microformats output, but can you check that it hasn't caused any fallout? Chris Cunningham (not at work) - talk 10:38, 22 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Sorry about that. Andy Mabbett (User: Pigsonthewing ); Andy's talk; Andy's edits 10:52, 22 May 2010 (UTC)

Installed Date
Ah, thanks. I'll give that a try. -- Lear's Fool (talk | contribs) 11:13, 22 May 2010 (UTC)

Uses Infobox person
I was thinking that this might be a good way to merge many of the myriad of people infoboxes, by using the person box as a backend (e.g., Uses Infobox settlement). Another idea would be to use the "misc" field to create "plugin" variations to the standard box, much in the same way the album box uses Extra chronology. This would also allow the person box to stay a bit more concise, and you could just chain a sub-box at the bottom for special cases. Plastikspork ―Œ (talk) 20:13, 24 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Both good ideas. How can I help? Andy Mabbett (User: Pigsonthewing ); Andy's talk; Andy's edits 20:16, 24 May 2010 (UTC)
 * See here, for some thoughts about supporting additional fields in infobox person. I don't know if Internet celebrity is the best example, but it seemed timely.  I was also thinking that if this is a good idea, we use this to section of things like "criminal information". Plastikspork ―Œ (talk)  22:49, 24 May 2010 (UTC)

Template:Infobox ice hockey player
Hi Andy. I think you should formally make a new request for a protected edit to Template:Infobox ice hockey player. The debate is over and although you have already requested an edit previously, it's probably best to re-add it formally to the bottom of the talk page. I'm template-illiterate so I don't know if the template can be standardized with this small modification. If not, can you create a draft replacement somewhere? I hope we can avoid the drama once and for all and move on. Cheers, Pichpich (talk) 14:06, 25 May 2010 (UTC)
 * I posted a request to ANI, a few days ago. Andy Mabbett (User: Pigsonthewing ); Andy's talk; Andy's edits 15:32, 25 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Nevermind. It seems that DJSasso will do it tomorrow unless you have a change of heart. See the talk there. Pichpich (talk) 02:25, 26 May 2010 (UTC)

Survey
Hi Andy,

I am a PhD student at the Open University of Catalonia. I am currently preparing a research project about the governance processes in online collaborative communities, and I would like to kindly ask for your collaboration based on your experience in Wikipedia. Interested in participating? Please drop me a note in my talk page and download the file with the questions. This would take around 20 of your time. Thanks! Aresj (talk) 17:06, 29 May 2010 (UTC)

Aldridge-Brownhills
I can't see why you objected to my change on Aldridge-Brownhills. Google it, and you'll see that the vast majority of results are for the constituency rather than the long-abolished urban district. Wereon (talk) 14:59, 31 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Disambiguation pages aren't about the number of results on Google, but helping people to find the page they're looking for on Wikipedia. And if you disagree with my revert, you should take the matter to the talk page, not just revert to your preferred version. Andy Mabbett (User: Pigsonthewing ); Andy's talk; Andy's edits 16:47, 31 May 2010 (UTC)

Breathe
See Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Pink Floyd and WP:NSONGS. AfD would not be appropriate as there is no deletion here, just a redirection in line with project consensus and policy. --John (talk) 18:18, 31 May 2010 (UTC)
 * I've seen them both, and neither has arguments that convince me that the article is not valid, or that it breaches policy. WP works on "consensus", not "project consensus". Either leave it be, or take it to AfD and find out if there is consensus for your PoV. Andy Mabbett (User: Pigsonthewing ); Andy's talk; Andy's edits 18:25, 31 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia also works on common sense and whether a particular feature is of benefit to its readers. What would you say the article you restored added to our coverage of the subject, that is not already covered at the album article, and is not blatant original research? --John (talk) 18:27, 31 May 2010 (UTC)
 * I came here looking for an 'argument to delete'. It seems to be obscured by clouds ... perhaps I lack the common sense necessary to see through these. Occuli (talk) 15:47, 1 June 2010 (UTC)
 * For that, you need only see WP:NSONGS, Occuli. Andy, I mentioned you here, and this is just a courtesy so you don't think I'm talking about you behind your back or anything. Congratulations on the book, though I haven't read it. --John (talk) 03:05, 2 June 2010 (UTC)
 * If it's a common sense issue, then as there is overwhelming consensus to keep, why not just close the discussion?Mk5384 (talk) 13:34, 3 June 2010 (UTC)

Infobox person module
It still seems a bit of a hack, but see here for example. The Internet information section is embedded using Infobox person/Internet info. It would be a bit cleaner to use a nested table, but then the labels wouldn't be aligned. I'm also not sure if this is the best name for the module. In any event, if you have any comments, let me know. I tried to keep most of the information in the main box, just in case this is all deemed trivial and needs to be deleted later. Thanks! Plastikspork ―Œ (talk) 21:57, 3 June 2010 (UTC)


 * Sorry for ignoring this; I got sidetracked - will respond later. Andy Mabbett (User: Pigsonthewing ); Andy's talk; Andy's edits 16:50, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

Infobox Yeshiva
Given the small number of transclusions, I would think this (Infobox Yeshiva) could be merged with Infobox religious building. Plastikspork ―Œ (talk) 16:49, 4 June 2010 (UTC)
 * I agree. Andy Mabbett (User: Pigsonthewing ); Andy's talk; Andy's edits 16:53, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

Infobox subclassing
I've added support for subclassing to infobox chef, which I know you've wanted to have merged into infobox person for a while. There's a note on Template talk:Infobox person about it. Fancy trying it out and seeing if the effect suits you? Start with an infobox person and then add:


 * module =

as the module. Chris Cunningham (not at work) - talk 00:01, 8 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Done, see talk page for discussion.  Andy Mabbett (User: Pigsonthewing ); Andy's talk; Andy's edits 09:21, 8 June 2010 (UTC)

Thanks Andy
Andy

Many thanks for your support with formating the Rajesh Touchriver article. I am just learning how to carry out editing on wiki, adhering to wiki quality standards, etc and formatting is something I'm particularly bad at. Actually I myself wrote the May version of the article (which was tagged) and sent it to Mr Touchriver requesting him to upload it as I didn't know then how to. I wasn't aware of the biography of living persons category, conflict of interest, etc until I saw the tag recently. As you can see from the history, I have edited my own write up with a vengeance :-), referring to the style and presentation of accepted, untagged articles of Indian film makers like Aparna Sen. Would you have any further tips? Thanks Andy.

(Santishi7 (talk) 16:46, 9 June 2010 (UTC))

Cold Feet
What do you need clarifying? Bradley0110 (talk) 19:19, 11 June 2010 (UTC)
 * What exactly is Cold Feet, released by EMI Gold in 2003? Andy Mabbett (User: Pigsonthewing ); Andy's talk; Andy's edits 20:30, 11 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Why are you being so confusingly persistent? "Clarification required in article, not edit summary"? Nothing you have tagged needs clarifying, unless you're suggesting people need reminding that the paragraph is about soundtrack albums halfway through it. Bradley0110 (talk) 18:59, 13 June 2010 (UTC)

Infobox Trondheim tramway station
Per this discussion, I found a suitable replacement, and replaced all transclusions. Plastikspork ―Œ (talk) 01:38, 12 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Good work; thank you. I've nominated it for deletion. Andy Mabbett (User: Pigsonthewing ); Andy's talk; Andy's edits 09:05, 12 June 2010 (UTC)

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Speedy deletion nomination of Birmingham and Midland Motor Omnibus Trust
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 * I've removed the speedy. Andy, some copy editing of this for tone would probably be helpful to prevent a recurrence. It's nowhere near speedy material though. Andy Dingley (talk) 09:49, 22 June 2010 (UTC)

Mud Lake (California)
If you have a chance, could you have a look at the classes on Mud Lake (California)? I orphaned a single use template, and it left a bunch of class stuff, and I am not sure if they are all being applied appropriately. Thanks! Plastikspork ―Œ (talk) 15:21, 24 June 2010 (UTC)
 * The mark-up's valid and correct; but the template was used because someone objected to the use of in-line HTML mark-up in that way. Andy Mabbett (User: Pigsonthewing ); Andy's talk; Andy's edits 23:42, 25 June 2010 (UTC)
 * I see. It would seem as though one could template that without making it specific for one particular location?  Something like city-region but with the classes. In any event, I suppose if no one objects it's probably fine the way it is right now.  Thanks! Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk)  23:58, 25 June 2010 (UTC)

Template talk:Infobox islands
See proposal. Dr. Blofeld       White cat 09:37, 26 June 2010 (UTC)

Species Microformats
Hi Andy, I am learning how to access microformat data hidden on the taxon pages. I tried the following example:

http://query.yahooapis.com/v1/public/yql?q=select%20*%20from%20microformats%20where%20url%3D'http%3A%2F%2Fen.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FConidae'&diagnostics=true

I am expecting to see the species class show up, with class, superfamily, family etc, but none of these show up in the result. What am I doing wrong?

I plan to use Visual Basic.NET and YSQL API to access the Taxon data. Is there a direct way to access the data, something in the lines of python wikipedia framework (without having to use YSQL)? Thanks. — Ganeshk  ( talk ) 02:54, 30 June 2010 (UTC)


 * Yahoo doesn't (yet!) recognise the species microformat - but a new tool to do so will be available soon. Watch this space! (I'm not familiar with python wikipedia framework, so can't advise). Andy Mabbett (User: Pigsonthewing ); Andy's talk; Andy's edits 18:54, 30 June 2010 (UTC)


 * Okay...will do. Thanks. — Ganeshk  ( talk ) 23:30, 30 June 2010 (UTC)

Infobox manner of address
I merged around 20 or 25 "name styles" templates into a more generic Infobox manner of address. They are all now weak frontends that just pass parameters to the generic template. So, if you want to add any microformats, you can do so by adding them to the generic template, without tracking the other 20 or 25 that call it. Eventually, I would like to get the entire lot, and just leave the generic "manner of address template", but for now this to be a good first step. Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 05:01, 1 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Good work indeed! I've added an hCard microformat. Andy Mabbett (User: Pigsonthewing ); Andy's talk; Andy's edits 14:02, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

Infobox settlement/ukr
FYI, A new fork just popped up. Plastikspork (talk) 04:45, 17 July 2010 (UTC)
 * sigh. Thank you. TFDd. Andy Mabbett (User: Pigsonthewing ); Andy's talk; Andy's edits 13:55, 17 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks. And, we now have Template:Location map2, which is being used to replace Template:Location map in many infobox templates. I'm trying to figure out why this is necessary. Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 14:25, 17 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Okay, it looks like these are being resolved, and the creator is being quite cooperative. I personally don't have a strong opinion about creating subtemplates of Infobox settlement with some of the regional details filled in, but they shouldn't be complete forks (instead just call settlement as a backend). By the way, you were mentioned here in case you missed it (a good exercise for the browser search button). Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 15:34, 21 July 2010 (UTC)

Pete Nottage
Given that a prior version of Pete Nottage was deleted via this deletion discussion, and given that sourcing isn't any improved, do you still think the article should be kept and not speedy deleted as a recreation? —C.Fred (talk) 15:21, 20 July 2010 (UTC)

Actually, answered my own question. He's done a lot more work since '07, so there are new claims of notability, even if there aren't new sources. It would need a second AfD, IMO. —C.Fred (talk) 15:24, 20 July 2010 (UTC)

Placebox
FYI, Bot_requests/Archive_24 is now done. Category:Placebox templates is now full of orphaned, or nearly orphaned, templates. Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 04:22, 29 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Thank you. Time for a TFD... Andy Mabbett (User: Pigsonthewing ); Andy's talk; Andy's edits 14:36, 29 July 2010 (UTC)

Nomination for deletion of Template:AFC Asian Cup winners
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RFC on Microformats
I've made a start here: Requests for comment/Microformats. Do you see any obvious errors or omissions before it is made live? – xeno <sup style="color:black;">talk 13:04, 10 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Apart from the fact that it's a PoV fabrication, you mean? Andy Mabbett (User: Pigsonthewing ); Andy's talk; Andy's edits 13:08, 10 August 2010 (UTC)
 * I asked you to start an RFC. Instead, you suggested I start one. Do you want to cooperate in determining consensus or not? – xeno <sup style="color:black;">talk 13:10, 10 August 2010 (UTC)
 * I've already answered your questions on consensus. Andy Mabbett (User: Pigsonthewing ); Andy's talk; Andy's edits 13:12, 10 August 2010 (UTC)
 * I'll go ahead and make the RFC live. – xeno <sup style="color:black;">talk 13:12, 10 August 2010 (UTC)

Courtesy note
You are receiving this message because of your participation in this discussion, now continued at Requests for comment/Microformats. – xeno talk  13:44, 10 August 2010 (UTC)


 * While I think you would do well to abandon your abrasive argumentation style, I would like to thank you for taking the time to explain your position and microformats in such depth. – xeno <sup style="color:black;">talk  19:39, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

Start date and film date
Should Start date be replaced with Film date? The coding did not look the same, so I was wondering if the film template lacked the features that the start template provided. Erik (talk &#124; contribs) 14:11, 13 August 2010 (UTC)
 * calls ; so that's not an issue; but there are other issues. I've commented on its author's talk page. Andy Mabbett (User: Pigsonthewing ); Andy's talk; Andy's edits 23:43, 13 August 2010 (UTC)
 * "...I also understand that it's against policy for templates to add articles to categories in the way this template does."' I was wondering where it said this? I'm not familiar with policy about templates. Erik (talk &#124; contribs) 12:56, 14 August 2010 (UTC)

Examples
Following on the comments at the RfC: Examples.

I like the few that are available from dbpedia ( and ). We need more examples.

I tried which looks intriguing, but it appears to be broken

and I tried but it is very unclear because of the unrelated timespans that each of the top 5 examples have (jesus, elvis, dinosaurs, earth, universe) and also because the timeline appears at the top of the page, even when the lower examples are clicked (iraq war, 19th century, trilobites, etc).

I think your "View" section at the RfC, and the wikiproject microformats page, would benefit immensely from additional examples.

Hope that helps. -- Quiddity (talk) 22:57, 14 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Thank you. I responded on these points on the RfC talk page; did you see that? Andy Mabbett (User: Pigsonthewing ); Andy's talk; Andy's edits 23:02, 14 August 2010 (UTC)

Your objection to the edit of Template:Infobox coord
Could you review your objection to the edit of Infobox coord. Stepheng3 approved the edit so yours is the only current objection. Thanks. – droll  &#91;chat&#93;  03:50, 17 August 2010 (UTC)

Templates for discussion
I added a new image to the article potentially to replace the template. Calling your attention to it if it changes your view at the TfD. --Bsherr (talk) 18:10, 18 August 2010 (UTC)

structured data
Hi. I'm gonna get back to the microformats RfC; it's important. I glossed your view and like it; I need to read it closely, still. I'm in the middle of another discussion that seems to me to be the same issue; use of citation templates (or not;); they have microformats in them, right? Seems they should. Take a peek at Talk:Halle Berry. There's a similar discussion at Talk:Uma Thurman. I see the structuring of the reference into discrete fields as the core rationale for using templates. Cheers, Jack Merridew 22:31, 18 August 2010 (UTC)


 * I just came to say your comments there were well put, if aggressive; thank you. It would be useful to have an explicit list of "things microformats are not for" or "implementation practices to avoid" similar to Nihiltres's short list, to help guide microformat-lovers in the right direction.  –SJ +  18:50, 11 September 2010 (UTC)

Template:Singles/sandbox...
...is apparently malformed. Please repair before putting up a new edit protected request. Probably a best practice to test sandboxes in situ before asking for changes to be implemented. – xeno <sup style="color:black;">talk 19:38, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Error apparently introduced by someone other than this user. – xeno <sup style="color:black;">talk 19:46, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Yikes, that would be me. I think I might have forgotten a backslash. &mdash; Martin (MSGJ · talk) 20:29, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

Re: TfD: MLB yearly infobox variants
Yes, I've seen it. As I said on the page, if the rationale is the same, then my vote is the same as well. However, note that I also just made an edit to the pre-1969 infoboxes that renders the TV and radio fields optional, which will also need to apply to the base template. -Dewelar (talk) 15:00, 22 August 2010 (UTC)

Articles for deletion nomination of Space shuttle in popular culture
I have nominated Space shuttle in popular culture, an article that you created, for deletion. I do not think that this article satisfies Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion, and have explained why at Articles for deletion/Space shuttle in popular culture. Your opinions on the matter are welcome at that same discussion page; also, you are welcome to edit the article to address these concerns. Thank you for your time.Please contact me if you're unsure why you received this message. Ten Pound Hammer, his otters and a clue-bat • (Otters want attention) 16:57, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

Template:Infobox aviator
Hi Andy, I've just spotted your recent edits to this template and your interest in merging it over at Template talk:Infobox person. I've had similar thoughts myself and even sandboxed the necessary changes that would allow it to be used as a child of Infobox person. If you're interested in tackling this template then let me know and we can put our heads together. Regards. PC78 (talk) 00:08, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

Template:Unbulleted list
The usage of this template within Infobox film has been questioned over at Template talk:Infobox film. As the creator of this template, the discussion would probably benefit from your input. Regards. PC78 (talk) 11:00, 5 September 2010 (UTC)

Joanne Whalley Birth Year
Andy,

I was on Ancestry.com today, and I found Joanne Whalley's birth year listed in the U.K. Birth Index:

England & Wales, Birth Index: 1916-2005 about Joanne Whalley Name:	Joanne Whalley Mother's Maiden Surname:	Quinn Date of Registration:	Jul Aug Sep 1961 Registration district:	Manchester Registration county:	Lancashire Volume Number:	10e Page Number:	120 (click to see others on page) I think 1961 is her correct birth year.

Stutzey (talk) 16:01, 9 September 2010 (UTC)stutzey


 * Is Ancestry.com a reliable source? if so, I suggest you raise the matter on the article's talk page. Andy Mabbett (User: Pigsonthewing ); Andy's talk; Andy's edits 21:49, 12 September 2010 (UTC)

Yes, of course, it is a reliable source. Even my marriage records are listed on that site. I only put it on your space, since you mentioned it on her talk page. You seem to have more respect on here than I do. If I put it on there, they are just going to ignore what I write.Stutzey (talk) 17:30, 25 September 2010 (UTC)

Infobox Kommun3
FYI, I would say at the very least this could call. The choice of name is a bit strange as well. Now if I only had more time at the moment ... Plastikspork (talk) 20:35, 10 September 2010 (UTC)
 * I've raised a TfD. Andy Mabbett (User: Pigsonthewing ); Andy's talk; Andy's edits 21:54, 12 September 2010 (UTC)

Change AOLer from redirect to article
I see that you created the original "AOLer" article some six years ago. I have started a discussion at Talk:AOLer and thought you might like to comment. Thanks. -   Hydroxonium (talk) 22:08, 13 September 2010 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of 2007 in birding and ornithology
A tag has been placed on 2007 in birding and ornithology requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section A3 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because it is an article with no content whatsoever, or whose contents consist only of external links, a "See also" section, book references, category tags, template tags, interwiki links, a rephrasing of the title, or an attempt to contact the subject of the article. Please see Wikipedia:Stub for our minimum information standards for short articles. Also please note that articles must be on notable subjects and should provide references to reliable sources that verify their content. You may wish to consider using a Wizard to help you create articles - see the Article Wizard.

If you think that this notice was placed here in error, you may contest the deletion by adding  to the top of the page that has been nominated for deletion (just below the existing speedy deletion or "db" tag - if no such tag exists then the page is no longer a speedy delete candidate and adding a hangon tag is unnecessary), coupled with adding a note on the talk page explaining your position, but be aware that once tagged for speedy deletion, if the page meets the criterion, it may be deleted without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag yourself, but don't hesitate to add information to the page that would render it more in conformance with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. Lastly, please note that if the page does get deleted, you can contact one of these administrators to request that they userfy the page or have a copy emailed to you. Dylanfromthenorth (talk) 19:02, 6 October 2010 (UTC)

Battersea power station in popular culture
Fork from Battersea power station. I imagine you might have an interest in the topic. 8-)  Andy Dingley (talk) 18:11, 8 October 2010 (UTC)

File:BSicon uLock3.gif listed for deletion
A file that you uploaded or altered, File:BSicon uLock3.gif, has been listed at Files for deletion. Please see the to see why this is (you may have to search for the title of the image to find its entry), if you are interested in it not being deleted. &mdash; Train2104 (talk • contribs • count) 02:07, 23 October 2010 (UTC)

Birmingham Railway Carriage & Wagon Company - Argentine President's Carriage
Andy, In the article on the Birmingham Railway Carriage & Wagon Company you refer to the carriage made for the Argentine President in 1910. I see where this is included in John Hypher's book. But please can you tell me where you found the info that the carriage still exists and was once used by Eva Peron. Thanks if you can help with this. MarkBarrett2 (talk) 08:26, 28 October 2010 (UTC)

2010 Copiapó mining accident timeline data
I have been trying to work with the timeline data in this article that you reformatted with the { {Timeline-event} } tags. It seems that it may be useful converted into a graphic illustration with { {Graphical timeline} } but that task is stretching my template abilities. Before I figured out that it was you who added that template to the article I asked another editor who has experience with templates to help me work with it on my talk page.

If you have the time and interest, perhaps you can pop over and tell us what you originally had in mind when you added that template and advise us on how best to proceed. There is a lengthy chat about it there that can catch you up to where we currently are with it and you can see the rough beginning of the graphic as well.

I appreciate it and look forward to your participation. Cheers, Veriss (talk) 21:03, 30 October 2010 (UTC)

Talkback
I had followup questions to your comment on the article's talk page. Thanks Veriss (talk) 23:19, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

Birds Britannia
My inclination is to move the TV prog to plain Birds Britannia, as the dab page really doesn't have anything relevant - and perhaps then add a hatnote to point to Mabey's page for "Birds Britannica"? Before I slap on a db-move I thought I'd run it past you. PamD (talk) 22:12, 20 November 2010 (UTC)
 * No problem; go ahead. Andy Mabbett (User: Pigsonthewing ); Andy's talk; Andy's edits 22:17, 20 November 2010 (UTC)

UF-timeline
Hi,

Important question: Atom Heart Mother. One of my favourites. Your opinion?

Lesser question: UF-timeline. I left a note on its talk page a month ago. No response as yet.

Many pages related to the ER show contain it. Is it still relevant?

Can it be eliminated, since its principal function seems to be to appear mysterious and possibly dangerous?

Cheers, Varlaam (talk) 05:21, 28 November 2010 (UTC)

Soap characters
See TFD. 134.253.26.6 (talk) 21:45, 29 November 2010 (UTC)

MfD nomination of Template:Infobox runner/doc
Template:Infobox runner/doc, a page you substantially contributed to, has been nominated for deletion. Your opinions on the matter are welcome; please participate in the discussion by adding your comments at Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Template:Infobox runner/doc and please be sure to sign your comments with four tildes ( ~ ). You are free to edit the content of Template:Infobox runner/doc during the discussion but should not remove the miscellany for deletion template from the top of the page; such a removal will not end the deletion discussion. Thank you. Kumioko (talk) 04:19, 1 December 2010 (UTC)

Template talk:Infobox airport
I was just going to do the above but I have a question first. Thanks. Enter CBW, waits for audience applause, not a sausage. 15:49, 29 December 2010 (UTC)

UK Waterways in the Signpost
"WikiProject Report" would like to focus on WikiProject UK Waterways for a Signpost article. This is an excellent opportunity to draw attention to your efforts and attract new members to the project. Would you be willing to participate in an interview? If so, here are the questions for the interview. Just add your response below each question and feel free to skip any questions that you don't feel comfortable answering. Also, if you know anyone else who would like to participate in the interview, please share this with them. Have a great day. -Mabeenot (talk) 01:11, 3 January 2011 (UTC)

File:Stamp Morocco SBC.jpg listed for deletion
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Nomination for deletion of Template:West Midlands railway stations (disused)
Template:West Midlands railway stations (disused) has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for discussion page. Thank you. — This, that, and the other (talk) 09:35, 16 January 2011 (UTC)

In case you missed it
WT:MOS#Geobox/Settlement name field. Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 23:12, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Belated thanks; I did comment there, as a result of the above. Andy Mabbett (User: Pigsonthewing ); Andy's talk; Andy's edits 16:38, 10 February 2011 (UTC)

Gerard Way
Wonder if you could help out here. Gerard Way is unhappy with his picture on his Wikipedia article. He stated this in Kerrang! magazine, which was reported at WP:HD. I note from the article that he is on Twitter. I know you use twitter, and wondered whether you would contact him and explain how he could get an up to date photo used on the article (i.e. one with a Wikipedia compatible licence). If he could be persuaded to supply one that he is happy with, I see no reason why we shouldn't use it in favour of the current photo. Mjroots (talk) 08:30, 10 February 2011 (UTC)
 * I've approached him there, but he doesn't seem to use it very often. Meanwhile there's a free-to-use, albeit not wonderful, image at http://www.flickr.com/photos/alternateparadise/2130168285/i Andy Mabbett (User: Pigsonthewing ); Andy's talk; Andy's edits 16:38, 10 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Ball in his court now. Mjroots (talk) 19:19, 10 February 2011 (UTC)

Infobox GB bus station
Might I suggest that we (i.e., you as I haven't learnt how to do it safely) add 'postcode' to this template. In the age of GPS, it would be as (if not more) useful than lat/lon and gridref. Ta. --John Maynard Friedman (talk) 17:10, 1 March 2011 (UTC)
 * I'll be happy to do the deed, if you can demonstrate consensus - have you raised it on the talk page? I'm not convince it's necessary: Infobox GB station doesn't have one for example. Andy Mabbett (User: Pigsonthewing ); Andy's talk; Andy's edits 21:27, 1 March 2011 (UTC)

Request for comment
As a member of Wikiproject insects you maybe want to voice your opinion this discussion on the use of vernacular or scientific names in higher ranking taxa. <small style="background:#007FFF;border:#66FF00 2px dashed;padding:0px 3px 1px 4px">  Bugboy52.4 ¦  =-=  13:06, 5 March 2011 (UTC) \