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DYK for Ada Cherry Kearton
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 * A good one for your album, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:40, 5 August 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Xenia Field
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Attention
Hello, it is an urgent request Andy Mabbett, that i was editing Template:Infobox film awards page and i don't know suddenly what happened, the whole parameters of the template is now showing on every page, where ever this template is used, could you please help me to fix it, please. Fushan talk to Faizan 5 August 2014, 19:49 (UTC).
 * That seems to have been sorted, now. I was travelling yesterday, so I didn't see your message until now. Should you need urgent help in future, you might be better to post to one of the notice boards (WP:AN WP:ANI) rather than to individual's talk pages. Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 08:50, 6 August 2014 (UTC)

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Extension:PronunciationRecording
Hey Andy, do you know about Extension:PronunciationRecording? It's very similar to the project idea you were describing at Wikimania. Kaldari (talk) 09:57, 6 August 2014 (UTC)
 * I didn't that sounds like it might be useful. Thank you. Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 10:03, 6 August 2014 (UTC)

Request for amendment closed without action
The request for amendment relating to the Race and  intelligence case has been  archived  without action

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Cite EB1911
recently you made which included

Please do not use "{{EB1911|no-prescript=1" but instead use {{tl|Cite EB1911}}. {{tl|EB1911}} is for attribution per the plagiarism guideline while {{tl|Cite EB1911}} is not. Also the "no-prescript=1" is deprecated in favour of noprescript=1 (the documentation has not mentioned no-prescript in ages). The advantages of using {{tl|cite EB1911}} is it less characters to type and it automatically fills out some more appropriate maintenance categories.

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"title=name" is for use with the parameter "url=" to link to the the PD sources found in EB1911. You will find details of all the parameters in Template:EB1911/doc and Template:Cite EB1911/doc.

-- PBS (talk) 15:06, 8 August 2014 (UTC)
 * That's not my reading of Template:EB1911/doc; perhaps you should direct your attention there. Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 15:42, 8 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Thanks you were right. There was inconsistencies between the sections. I have not altered the documentation to be consistent on noprescript. I still recommend you use {{tl|Cite EB1911}} if you are not attributing text to EB1911. --PBS (talk) 19:28, 8 August 2014 (UTC)

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Thanks
Thank you for your contribution to the "Notability" discussion group at Wikimania. I found it more thought provoking than I expected and rather encouraging as well as it is easy to forget that there are a lot of people out there who genuinely care about the quality of the content. Congratulations on the award too - well deserved. It has reminded me that there are a couple of my friends who have Wikipedia articles about them who I am sure I could get to create voice recordings so I'll be following that up. All the best, QuiteUnusual (talk) 08:19, 11 August 2014 (UTC)

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"Harry Mark Petrakis" in my Sandbox
Lambrini Papangelis, author of the Wikipedia article "Harry Mark Petrakis." Thanks very much for cleaning up, and for mounting, the article. Now I want to mount two more articles, "Mark Petrakis" (Harry Mark's father) and "Stella Petrakis" (Harry Mark's mother). I want to do what I did before: work on them in my Sandbox. But in order to do that, I have to get the "Harry Mark Petrakis" article out of my Sandbox! Where do I put it? I don't want to delete it. Thank you. Lambrini Papangelis Lambrini Papangelis (talk) 19:49, 18 August 2014 (UTC)
 * If you overwrite it, it will still be in the history. Alternatively, you can start new sandboxes at, say, User:Lambrini Papangelis/sandbox 2, User:Lambrini Papangelis/sandbox 3 and so on; or at User:Lambrini Papangelis/Mark Petrakis, etc. Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 20:42, 18 August 2014 (UTC)

VIAF
I've moved this discussion to Wikipedia talk:Authority control, to facilitate wider discussion. Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 20:01, 19 August 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Steve Ormerod
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THe Rev. Mark Petrakis
Dear Andy, thank you very much for showing me how to open a new Sandbox. I have written another article, about the Rev. Mark Petrakis. He was the father of Harry Mark Petrakis (see Wikipedia article). Here is the title of the Sandbox: User:Lambrini Papangelis/Mark Petrakis. Will you "clean it up" and mount it, please? The way you did the Harry Mark Petrakis article? Thanks so much.Lambrini Papangelis (talk) 22:27, 20 August 2014 (UTC)

"Stella Petrakis" (Wikipedia article)
Dear Andy, I have finished the last of my three articles about the Petrakis family. The third is titled "Stella Petrakis" and it is at User:Lambrini Papangelis/sandbox 3. Will you please "clean it up" and mount it? Thank you for the opportunity to write for Wikipedia.Lambrini Papangelis (talk) 23:49, 20 August 2014 (UTC)


 * I can't publish either this or the article in the preceding section, as they stand; although you have given sources, they are insufficient to establish notability; you need to show how they meet the criteria for inclusion by citing significant coverage in more than one independent sources. Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 12:09, 21 August 2014 (UTC)

Dear Andy, Lambrini Papangelis here, authoress of "Harry Mark Petrakis," "Mark Petrakis" and "Stella Petrakis." I can see what you mean about Fr. Mark and Presbytera Stella not having enough "notability" to be published on Wikipedia, and I understand. We won't publish those.

Now, for the "Harry Mark Petrakis" article: there has been put a big exclamation point at the top that says the article needs additional citations. I would like to be the one to supply them. This will be easy when Petrakis's autobiography, titled "Song of My Life," comes out in October (2014). I will be able to add lots of citations then.Lambrini Papangelis (talk) 12:39, 21 August 2014 (UTC)

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Harry Mark Petrakis article missing two large sections
Dear Andy,

The Wikipedia article you mounted on Harry Mark Petrakis, that I edited in my Sandbox, is missing two large sections. They are "The Petrakis family" and "Gambling addiction." Please add them. They are in my Sandbox. Thank you. Lambrini Papangelis Lambrini Papangelis (talk) 20:43, 23 August 2014 (UTC)


 * They were removed in, citing our policy on Biographies of living people. I suggest you read that, and the edit summary cited. I'd also recommend you take a look at the page's "history" tab, and familiarise yourself with the "prev" links, so you can track other changes as they are made. Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 20:51, 23 August 2014 (UTC)
 * No, no, Andy, Harry Mark Petrakis is not the same as Mark Petrakis. Harry Mark Petrakis is the Greek-American author of novels and short stories, the one Wikipedia already had an article on.  Mark Petrakis is the Greek Orthodox priest father of Harry Mark Petrakis, the one whose life you said was not notable enough to be mounted on Wikipedia.  Please put the two sections "The Petrakis Family" and "Gambling addiction" back in the Harry Mark Petrakis article.  As it stands now, the article does not even show his birthplace, the names of his parents and siblings, the fact that his father was a priest and the fact that he even struggled with gambling at all.  The sections are in my Sandbox.  Please, put in the "The Petrakis family" and "Gambling addiction" sections.  Lambrini PapangelisLambrini Papangelis (talk) 13:23, 24 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Yes, that's what I meant, but the link-template was malformed; I've fixed it, above. Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 13:30, 24 August 2014 (UTC)

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Portal:Staffordshire
A little while ago you posted on the Staffordshire talk page about possibly starting a wikiproject for Staffodshire. Given that, I thought you may be interested, and perhaps willing to be involved with, the Staffordshire portal I've just started. Sotakeit (talk) 14:56, 26 August 2014 (UTC)

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Scheduled Monuments images
OK sorry about that - its not an area I know. I was playing around with User:Dudemanfellabra/AddCommonsCatLinks have you tried it? Had a conversation with him last year (see User talk:Dudemanfellabra about the functionality of the script - you may have ways to improve it?&mdash; Rod talk 12:29, 25 August 2014 (UTC)
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Andy don't know if you are on the WLM-UK mailing list <wlm-uk@wikimedia.org.uk> but discussions on there re wikidata & the WLM pic upload system being built at https://tools.wmflabs.org/wlmuk/ I've contributed some comments but the technical side (being done by Magnus Manske) is above my head - would you be willing/able to help?&mdash; Rod talk 19:05, 27 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Sure - I'll join that list now. Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 19:51, 27 August 2014 (UTC)

William Bloye name labels
Andy, you have removed the name= labels from the rows in the works of art table. This means that the KML map again shows the locations as #1, #2, etc. Can your new template put labels on the KML map? Oosoom Talk 18:27, 27 August 2014 (UTC)
 * The names cased problems when included within other microformat emitting templates/ table rows. This was an unfortunate side-effect of other editors using the Coord template for things for which it was never intended. I recall adding something to this effect to its documentation, but that seems to have been watered down. I described the problem, and a fix, in Template talk:Coord/Archive 6 six years ago, but as you can see, got nowhere. I've now applied that fix; if it sticks, you can reuse those names without breaking anything else. Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 18:58, 27 August 2014 (UTC)
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 * Good catch; thanks. That should now be fixed. Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 16:00, 28 August 2014 (UTC)

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Nomination of Stanley Rubinstein for deletion
A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Stanley Rubinstein is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

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I am taking your comments to heart. While presently engaged in my own gnomish project, I may close the AfD as a speedy keep later today. (In the meantime, perhaps it will stimulate someone to find more info on Stanley.) Thanks. – S. Rich (talk) 17:43, 30 August 2014 (UTC)
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Tech News: 2014-36
<section begin="technews-2014-W36"/> Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please inform other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent software changes
 * You can now test a new Beta Feature to see links to other wikis in the sidebar. The links come from Wikidata.
 * You can now search pages that link to a page. Use the  keyword in your search.
 * A redirect to a section now changes the URL in the address bar of your browser. If "Dog" redirects to "Animals#Dog", you now see "Animals#Dog" instead of "Dog#Dog".
 * If you are testing Flow, you now have a Flow tab in your Notifications. It is called "Messages". [//www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Echo_(Notifications)/status#2014-08-monthly]

VisualEditor news
 * You can no longer delete required fields in templates.
 * We fixed many Internet Explorer bugs. If you use Internet Explorer 11, you will get VisualEditor next week. Support for earlier versions is coming next.
 * VisualEditor now looks better in Monobook.
 * We fixed a bug where some of your typing could be undone when you used "cut" (Ctrl+X).
 * You will no longer see empty or deleted categories among the suggestions when you add a category.

Future software changes
 * The latest version of MediaWiki (1.24wmf19) is on test wikis and MediaWiki.org since August 28. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis on September 2, and on all Wikipedias on September 4 (calendar).
 * There is a proposal to build a database on Commons for file data. It will make it easier to see the author, license and topics. You can give feedback on this idea. You can also come to the IRC chat on September 3 at 18:00 (UTC) in  at freenode.
 * You can give feedback on Media Viewer until September 7. You can say what needs to be improved and ask other people to give feedback too.
 * You can test a new version of the tool to show math. It uses MathML. Report bugs in bugzilla.
 * You will no longer be able to upload images from the mobile site.

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The Endless River
Just to let you know - I moved the lyrics note back because there is only one track with lyrics ... so it fits better there.

The source for this infoemation is One Fifteen - Pink Floyd's management company.JABEYEPR (talk) 19:39, 2 September 2014 (UTC)
 * I've copy edited it to make that clear; but please see WP:RS for details of what constitutes an acceptable source. Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 19:55, 2 September 2014 (UTC)

HMS Richmond helicopter crash‎
Thanks Andy! Where did you find the tail number? I couldn't find it as I was writing the article. Best, HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?  12:49, 3 September 2014 (UTC)
 * I forget which page I found it on first, as I checked a several, to be certain. A Google search for the two dead crew members' names found some, then searing for "XZ256" found others. Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 12:55, 3 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I Googled it and found that the official report is in the House of Commons Library so I fired off a request for a copy. I'm curious to see what the response is... HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?  13:42, 3 September 2014 (UTC)
 * If that doesn't work (though it should), you could always ask your MP to obtain it for you. Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 13:59, 3 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I might have to resort to that—the House of Commons Information Office have referred me to the Parliamentary Archives. The phrase "pillar to post" comes to mind... HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?  15:16, 3 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Your local public library, if they don't have it (they probably won't), should be able to get it through inter-library loans; or, since Lenton is well within cycling distance, you could try blagging your way into the lib at the University of Nottingham. I think that there's a HMSO shop in Nottingham City Centre. -- Red rose64 (talk) 16:08, 3 September 2014 (UTC)
 * I found this, which mentions the Richmond incident. Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 16:39, 3 September 2014 (UTC)

Infobox cleanup?
Hey Andy, can you clean up the infoboxes for Javier Castellano, John R. Velazquez, Joel Rosario, and Victor Espinoza?? They need list parameters, collapsing of the longer lists of grade I wins, etc. You can use the version at Rosie Napravnik or Gary L. Stevens as a base for what I'm after...I think I had you clean up those two, didn't I? Thanks! Montanabw <sup style="color:purple;">(talk) 19:15, 4 September 2014 (UTC)
 * I think that was RexxS. See what you make of Javier Castellano, for starters. Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 19:43, 4 September 2014 (UTC)
 * I tweaked it so it looks the way I want it to look (split out American Classic/Breeders' Cup races from the rest) - even if the syntax is screwy. Does that give you enough to go on? Except, is there a way to make the bulleted list a list with each entry on a separate line - with or without bullets?  Montanabw <sup style="color:purple;">(talk)  23:24, 4 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Try, as used at LB&SCR A1X Class W8 Freshwater, or , as used at Fairport Convention. -- Red rose64 (talk) 08:08, 5 September 2014 (UTC)
 * I don't know how to make that stuff work unless I can do a straight copy and paste, changing only the data. When I have to change parameters or add syntax inside, I'm helpless... If Andy can tweak these jockey ones, I can then copy and paste from there.  Otherwise, I get weird results - I'm not a programmer...   Montanabw <sup style="color:purple;">(talk)  20:26, 5 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Of the two, is probably easier to understand. You take a normal bulleted list, and put   in front of it, and   at the end, . It has the advantage that when editing the page, it's easy to pick out the individual list items in order to add, amend or remove, because they're one per line, just like a normal bulleted list. It does take up a fair amount of vertical space though. For this reason, some people prefer  where you list the various items one after the other, separated by pipes, . A clear disadvantage of that one is picking out the pipes which separate the list items from the pipes used inside the list item - in this case to separate the parameters to . -- Red rose64 (talk) 22:30, 5 September 2014 (UTC)

Redrose, if you know how this works (I just imitate what others insert), can you look at the Rosie Napravnik infobox? The collapsed section (Graded Stakes wins) has the very problem you discuss (a list that is not one per line, so hard to read) so could you pop in the plainlist parameter in the right spot so that section has a more readable list when uncollapsed? I have to do it about 10 times before I get the markup syntax placed right, and even when it looks right, I still need a gnome to clean it up for me. Montanabw <sup style="color:purple;">(talk) 23:50, 5 September 2014 (UTC)

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