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WikidataCon Berlin 28–9 October 2017
Under the heading rerum causas cognescere, the first ever Wikidata conference got under way in the Tagesspiegel building with two keynotes, One was on YAGO, about how a knowledge base conceived ten years ago if you assume automatic compilation from Wikipedia. The other was from manager Lydia Pintscher, on the "state of the data". Interesting rumours flourished: the mix'n'match tool and its 600+ datasets, mostly in digital humanities, to be taken off the hands of its author Magnus Manske by the WMF; a Wikibase incubator site is on its way. Announcements came in talks: structured data on Wikimedia Commons is scheduled to make substantive progress by 2019. The lexeme development on Wikidata is now not expected to make the Wiktionary sites redundant, but may facilitate automated compilation of dictionaries. And so it went, with five strands of talks and workshops, through to 11 pm on Saturday. Wikidata applies to GLAM work via metadata. It may be used in education, raises issues such as author disambiguation, and lends itself to different types of graphical display and reuse. Many millions of SPARQL queries are run on the site every day. Over the summer a large open science bibliography has come into existence there.

Wikidata's fifth birthday party on the Sunday brought matters to a close. See a dozen and more reports by other hands.

Links

 * Wikidata statistics
 * I4OC progress in its first year, with 47% of scientific citation data now open (announced two days ago)
 * The flowering ORCID, Magnus Manske blogpost on identifying authors of scientific papers
 * @querybook, a Twitter feed devoted to SPARQL queries
 * Massive progress on Wikidata coverage of the UK parliament
 * Reminder: WikiFactMine pages on Wikidata are at WD:WFM

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Nomination for deletion of Template:WSJ topic
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Speedy deletion nomination of Template:Infobox Montenegro


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If you think this page should not be deleted for this reason, you may contest the nomination by visiting the page and clicking the button labelled "Contest this speedy deletion". This will give you the opportunity to explain why you believe the page should not be deleted. However, be aware that once a page is tagged for speedy deletion, it may be deleted without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag from the page yourself, but do not hesitate to add information in line with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. If the page is deleted, and you wish to retrieve the deleted material for future reference or improvement, then please contact the, or if you have already done so, you can place a request here. jd22292 (Jalen D. Folf) (talk &bull;&#32;contribs) 18:17, 16 November 2017 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Template:Infobox Sri Lankan Administrative District


A tag has been placed on Template:Infobox Sri Lankan Administrative District, requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section G4 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the page appears to be a repost of material that was previously deleted following a deletion discussion,. When a page has substantially identical content to that of a page deleted after a discusion, and any changes in the content do not address the reasons for which the material was previously deleted, it may be deleted at any time.

If you think this page should not be deleted for this reason, you may contest the nomination by visiting the page and clicking the button labelled "Contest this speedy deletion". This will give you the opportunity to explain why you believe the page should not be deleted. However, be aware that once a page is tagged for speedy deletion, it may be deleted without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag from the page yourself, but do not hesitate to add information in line with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. If the page is deleted, and you wish to retrieve the deleted material for future reference or improvement, then please contact the, or if you have already done so, you can place a request here. jd22292 (Jalen D. Folf) (talk &bull;&#32;contribs) 18:18, 16 November 2017 (UTC)


 * Really? How tedious. Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 18:34, 16 November 2017 (UTC)

Tech News: 2017-47
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 * If you use the Chrome web browser on Android you can see a download icon on the mobile website. You can download a formatted PDF. It will work in other mobile browsers in the future.
 * Octicons-tools.svg The abuse filter now has a function called . You can use it to store matches from regular expressions – one of each capturing group. You can read more in Phabricator.

Problems
 * Last week's MediaWiki version didn't come to all Wikipedias because of a database crash. It will be on all wikis on 20 November.

Changes later this week
 * There is no new MediaWiki version this week.

Meetings
 * Octicons-sync.svg You can join the next meeting with the Editing team. During the meeting, you can tell developers which bugs you think are the most important. The meeting will be on 21 November at 19:30 (UTC). See how to join.
 * Octicons-tools.svg You can join the technical advice meeting on IRC. During the meeting, volunteer developers can ask for advice. The meeting will be on 22 November at 16:00 (UTC). See how to join.

Future changes
 * Language converter syntax will no longer work inside external links. Wikitext like  must be replaced. You will have to write   instead. This only affects languages with Language Converter enabled. Examples of such languages are Chinese and Serbian. This will happen next week.

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Wikidata weekly summary #287
Wikidata weekly summary #287 Global message delivery/Targets/Wikidata

Here's your quick overview of what has been happening around Wikidata over the last week. 


 * Discussions
 * Monolingual language code creation process


 * Events/Press/Blogs
 * Past: IRC office hour (log)
 * Past: Wikidata Lab II, a workshop to teach users how to create lists using Wikidata in São Paulo (images from the event)
 * Upcoming: IRC office hour about Structured Data on Commons, November 21, 18:00 UTC in the channel #wikimedia-office
 * Upcoming: WLM-Wikidata-Editathon 2017 in Berlin, November 24-26
 * Upcoming: Wiki4MediaFreedom edit-a-thon - II edition (with Wikidata track) in Sofia, November 27
 * Upcoming: Wikidata-Hackathon at WikiMUC in Munich, November 30
 * WikidataCon 2017
 * Fünf Jahre Wikidata at Chaosradio
 * "Turning a historical book into a data set"
 * "Creating Wikipedia articles from research data"


 * Other Noteworthy Stuff
 * New tool by Magnus: Wikidata SPARQL Recent Changes - get diffs for all items matching a SPARQL query, for a date range
 * New tool by Magnus: WD edit stats - get edit stats for all items matching a SPARQL query
 * Wikidata coverage for 'place' in OpenStreetMap (as of October 2017)
 * OpenRefine 2.8 was released. Adding columns from Wikidata and importing Wikitables is now possible. Let's write tutorials for it.
 * Mix'n'match now shows for a catalog which user originally imported it and if it is updated regularly (example)
 * A breaking change to the wbcheckconstraints API output format was announced


 * Did you know?
 * Newest properties: CGF athlete ID, OKS athlete ID, Gymn Forum athlete ID, sexually homologous with, Tennis Temple player ID, has listed ingredient, World of O athlete ID, HOO athlete ID, IBTrACS cyclone ID, Collective Biographies of Women ID, Snooker Database player ID, Spider Ontology ID, EThOS thesis ID, EUTA theatre ID, EUTA person ID, Czech Street ID, Survey of Scottish Witchcraft - Trial ID, ChinesePosters artist ID, Bangladesh administrative division code, Douban movie ID, REGINE water system number, UK Parliament thesaurus ID, ABA bird ID, MuIS ID, Survey of Scottish Witchcraft - Person ID, Vermont Sports Hall of Fame athlete ID, Alaska Sports Hall of Fame athlete ID, Radio Radicale person ID, SUNCAT ID, payload mass, Melon album ID, ctext work ID, Mémoire du cyclisme cyclist ID, Prisma ID, Africultures person ID, Africultures movie ID, Scottish Cemetery Kolkata ID
 * Query examples:
 * List of subclasses of Matrices
 * Works of art in which the artists depicts their spouse (source)
 * locations Van Gogh depicted in his paintings (source)
 * Gender split of past Google Doodles (source)
 * Newest database reports: expeditions


 * Development
 * Fixed Commons media suggester not loading all preview thumbnails (T160528)
 * RDF exports can handle entity references to foreign Wikibase repositories now, needed for Structured Data on Commons (T161592)
 * Worked on making statements on Forms editable and persistent (T163724)
 * Worked on fine-grained usage tracking in Wikibase' Lua library (T172914)
 * Worked on caching constraint check results (T179849) and indicating when constraint check results are cached (T179844)
 * Wikibase code base does not use Composer class autoloading any more (T180067) as another step towards getting rid of our own build process and being more in line with the rest of Wikimedia


 * Monthly Tasks
 * Add labels, in your own language(s), for the new properties listed above.
 * Comment on property proposals: all open proposals
 * Suggested and open tasks!
 * Contribute to a Showcase item.
 * Help translate or proofread the interface and documentation pages, in your own language!
 * Help merge identical items across Wikimedia projects.
 * Help write the next summary!

Read the full report &middot; Unsubscribe &middot; Lydia Pintscher (WMDE) 10:29, 21 November 2017 (UTC)

The Signpost: 24 November 2017
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Archives
Hi, I am new to Wikipedia editing but am very keen to develop a strategy for embedding links to Archives (especially the one I work at) in Wikipedia articles; are there already any basic guidelines for this, as I can see a number of potential approaches and don't want to re-invent the wheel. Chinbrad (talk) 16:23, 20 November 2017 (UTC)

PS I have now been guided to an article in The Wikipedia Library on this very subject (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:The_Wikipedia_Library/Cultural_Professionals) and I am browsing the GLAM pages too. I'll come back if I have any problems... Chinbrad (talk) 08:53, 21 November 2017 (UTC)


 * OK, please do. Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 10:24, 21 November 2017 (UTC)

Well I haven't got very far. What I was hoping to do was to indicate on various historical articles that we, Durham County Record Office, are the holder of the primary source material on that subject. (I would also indicate where other repositories have relevant collections). For one thing the "cite archive" tag doesn't seem to work properly. I also can't find any other examples of people doing this. I realise that references to primary sources are not preferred in Wikipedia, but it seemed to me that it would be helpful to point people to the archives where appropriate. I am going to expand our own article anyway to direct people to articles on subjects we deal with, but I'd also it seemed a good idea to supply reverse links on some of those pages to us (probably to our Wikipedia article, which has a link to our website, unless we already have material online to go directly to as a citation). The bottom line is that we hold important documents of a wide public interest and naturally want to increase use of these by any means, but we have very little online content to link to. An example where we do have online material is Paweł Salwator Piast-Riedelski; and example where we do not is George Bowes. Chinbrad (talk) 14:19, 24 November 2017 (UTC)
 * First and foremost, be sure to comply with Wikipedia's polices on Conflicts of interest and paid editing (let me know if you need advice on those; I'm happy to chat offline - email me if you wish to do so). You may do best to put a list of your significant holdings on your user page, and invite people to add details to articles; or to post such suggestions on article talk pages. As for templates not working, examples are always helpful. Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 15:49, 24 November 2017 (UTC)

Thanks for your comments. I should probably have mentioned that I've just been at a Wikimedia training day for Heritage Science, at Edinburgh, led by Doug (an archaeologist); this followed a year or so of pondering how I could contribute professionally to Wikipedia. We didn't have time to discuss all the issues that had concerned me but we certainly talked about being open and honest in talk pages. General opinion was that archivists (and museum staff and other professionals) had a lot to expertise to offer to Wikipedia but not previously much encouragement to do it; in our case the conflict of interest could be avoided by stating clearly what you were doing and where you were coming from. Doug thought that it was better to put links directly from articles to one's own website so as to add to WikiData, but I confess I didn't fully understand this. I'll keep trying with "cite archive" but the problem seems to be that we don't usually have webpages devoted to different collections: everything is in an online catalgue database... Chinbrad (talk) 20:43, 24 November 2017 (UTC)

Wikidata weekly summary #288
Here's your quick overview of what has been happening around Wikidata over the last week. 
 * Discussions
 * New request for comments: start time / end time vs. publication date of 1st / last episode
 * Proposal to add some order and structure to the various bibliographic corpora we currently have in Wikidata (mailing list post)


 * Events/Press/Blogs
 * Past: IRC office hour about Structured Data on Wikimedia Commons. You can read the log on meta.
 * Upcoming: Wikidata workshop in Prague, December 1st
 * Well structured political data for the whole world: impossible utopia, or Wikidata at its best?
 * Spatial-based Topic Modelling using Wikidata Knowledge Base (in Wikidata as Q43662744)
 * Cleaning BNF identifier in Wikidata by Envlh (in French)
 * Monitoring changes to Wikidata pages of your interest by Egon Willighagen


 * Other Noteworthy Stuff
 * Sandra is co-ordinating an inventory of crucial volunteer tools for Wikimedia Commons, GLAM, and structured data in general. You can provide input and prioritize your favorite tools in this Google spreadsheet.
 * Q43649390 is an item about our concept of "QID"s
 * OpenRefine 2.8 was released. Adding columns from Wikidata and importing Wikitables is now possible.


 * Did you know?


 * Newest properties: type foundry, Accademia della Crusca ID, first appearance, USGHOF athlete ID, Kulturelles Erbe Köln object ID, Städel Museum artist ID, Berlinische Galerie artist ID, Tidal video ID, Tidal track ID, Tidal album ID, Tidal artist ID, HTML entity, Norwegian historical register of persons ID, Merchant Category Code, SS KL Auschwitz Garrison ID, West Australian Football League player ID, Wikidata project, BPH journal ID, SNCZI-IPE reservoir ID, BTO five-letter code, awarded for period, electoral district number, Art Museum of Estonia artwork ID, Art Museum of Estonia artist ID, Japanese Baseball Hall of Fame ID, Basketball-Reference.com WNBA ID, National Collegiate Basketball Hall of Fame ID, IJF ID, SNCZI-IPE dam ID, Indiana Basketball Hall of Fame ID, FAI ID, Canada Games ID, ICRC PoW ID, RA Collections ID, mountain range, Everyone Remembered ID, CNRS research group ID, ARLIMA ID


 * Query examples:
 * People who were Time Person of the Year in two consecutive years (source)
 * Fictional characters “said to be the same as” other fictional characters from the same fictional universe (source)
 * Map of places of birth of deceased sociologists (source)
 * Map of libraries in India (source)
 * [https://query.wikidata.org/#%23defaultView%3AMap%0ASELECT%20%3Ftrain_station%20%3Fcoordinate_location%20%3Flayer%20WHERE%20%7B%0A%20%20SERVICE%20wikibase%3Alabel%20%7B%20bd%3AserviceParam%20wikibase%3Alanguage%20%22eu%22.%20%7D%0A%20%20%3Ftrain_station%20%28wdt%3AP31%2Fwdt%3AP279%2a%29%20wd%3AQ719456.%0A%20%20%7B%20%3Ftrain_station%20wdt%3AP361%20wd%3AQ10862037.%20%7D%0A%20%20UNION%0A%20%20%7B%20%3Ftrain_station%20wdt%3AP361%20wd%3AQ123955.%20%7D%0A%20%20UNION%0A%20%20%7B%20%3Ftrain_station%20wdt%3AP361%20wd%3AQ149274.%20%7D%0A%20%20UNION%0A%20%20%7B%20%3Ftrain_station%20wdt%3AP361%20wd%3AQ2946410.%20%7D%0A%20%20UNION%0A%20%20%7B%20%3Ftrain_station%20wdt%3AP81%20wd%3AQ43283383.%20%7D%0A%20%20UNION%0A%20%20%7B%20%3Ftrain_station%20wdt%3AP361%20wd%3AQ3239365.%20%7D%0A%20%20UNION%0A%20%20%7B%20%3Ftrain_station%20wdt%3AP81%20wd%3AQ43283518.%20%7D%0A%20%20UNION%0A%20%20%7B%20%3Ftrain_station%20wdt%3AP81%20wd%3AQ43325427.%20%7D%0A%20%20MINUS%20%7B%20%3Ftrain_station%20%28wdt%3AP131%2Fwdt%3AP131%29%20wd%3AQ55180.%20%7D%0A%20%20MINUS%20%7B%20%3Ftrain_station%20%28wdt%3AP131%2Fwdt%3AP131%29%20wd%3AQ55271.%20%7D%0A%20%20%3Ftrain_station%20wdt%3AP625%20%3Fcoordinate_location.%0A%20%20%3Ftrain_station%20wdt%3AP81%20%3Fconnecting_line.%0A%20%20MINUS%20%7B%20%3Fconnecting_line%20wdt%3AP81%20wd%3AQ5852245.%20%7D%0A%20%20MINUS%20%7B%20%3Fconnecting_line%20wdt%3AP81%20wd%3AQ801991.%20%7D%0A%20%20%3Fconnecting_line%20rdfs%3Alabel%20%3Flayer.%0A%20%20FILTER%28%28LANG%28%3Flayer%29%29%20%3D%20%22eu%22%29%0A%7D Train and subway stations in Basque Country] (source)
 * Newest database reports: Decameron editions and translations


 * Development
 * Result views in the Wikidata Query Service UI can now be configured with options (T155973, Special:Diff/580233265/596922582)
 * Worked more on introducing the concept of sub.entities in the APIs in order to make edits to Forms persistent
 * Worked on edit summaries for edits to Forms

You can see all open tickets related to Wikidata here.


 * Monthly Tasks
 * Add labels, in your own language(s), for the new properties listed above.
 * Comment on property proposals: all open proposals
 * Suggested and open tasks!
 * Contribute to a Showcase item.
 * Help translate or proofread the interface and documentation pages, in your own language!
 * Help merge identical items across Wikimedia projects.
 * Help write the next summary!

Read the full report &middot; Unsubscribe &middot; Lea Lacroix (WMDE) 15:44, 27 November 2017 (UTC)

Tech News: 2017-48
 Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent changes
 * You can now test the new advanced search function beta feature on mediawiki.org. It makes it easier to use some of the special search functions that most editors don't know exist. It will come to German and Arabic Wikipedia this week. It will come to more wikis later.
 * You can now upload large files with the Internet Archive upload tool. Previously you could not upload files larger than 100 MB.
 * You can now use the Timeless skin on all wikis. You can choose skins in Special:Preferences#Appearance.

Changes later this week
 * Octicons-sync.svg The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 28 November. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 29 November. It will be on all wikis from 30 November (calendar).

Meetings
 * Octicons-sync.svg You can join the next meeting with the Editing team. During the meeting, you can tell developers which bugs you think are the most important. The meeting will be on 28 November at 19:30 (UTC). See how to join.
 * Octicons-tools.svg You can join the technical advice meeting on IRC. During the meeting, volunteer developers can ask for advice. The meeting will be on 29 November at 16:00 (UTC). See how to join.

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Wikidata weekly summary #289
Here's your quick overview of what has been happening around Wikidata over the last week. 
 * Events/Press/Blogs
 * Past: Using the Digital to Engage Archival Radio Collections: Part II (Wikidata Workshop), Washington, D.C., November 2, 2017 with Andrew Lih and Alex Stinson
 * Past: Wikidata Clinic (slides) in Washington, D.C., December 1, 2017, with Andrew Lih and Rosie Stephenson-Goodknight
 * Past: Wikikonference in Prague with a Wikidata workshop in Czech and a introduction of Wikidata and its community
 * Wikipedia Weekly audio podcast coverage of Wikidata:
 * Episode 126 - Introduction to Wikidata, with Andrew Lih and Rob Fernandez
 * Episode 127 - WikidataCon 2017 roundtable discussion, with Andrew Lih, Liam Wyatt, Stacy Allison-Cassin, Rosie Stephenson-Goodknight, Rob Fernandez
 * Wikidata as authority linking hub: Connecting RePEc and GND researcher identifiers by Joachim Neubert
 * Importing data into Wikidata - Current challenges and ideas future development by Navino Evans
 * The Wikidata map in November 2017 and what changed during the last four months, by Addshore


 * Other Noteworthy Stuff
 * You can now vote for your favorite proposals on the Community Wishlist Survey. The voting phase is open until December 10th.
 * If you run any functionality on Wikimedia sites that uses queries to the Wikidata Query Service, please add it here (more information)
 * The 600,000,000th edit has been made.
 * The first content made specifically for Wikimedia projects in space has been added to Wikidata (see Close encounters of the Wikipedia kind)
 * The Aaron Swartz Fellowship at OSA, Budapest, Hungary, is open for applications (deadline Dec. 31). The second focus area of the fellowship may be of interest to Wikidata folks.


 * Did you know?


 * Newest properties: set designer, Swedish Musical Heritage composer ID, National Film Board of Canada movie ID, South Dakota Sports Hall of Fame ID, World Rugby Hall of Fame ID, Microsoft Store album ID, date of burial or cremation, Lives of WWI ID, polymer of, monomer of, FAPESP researcher ID, FAPESP institution ID, NIOSH Publication Number, post town, arXiv author ID, CPE athlete ID, Mountain Project ID, National Inventory of Canadian Military Memorials ID, Atomic Heritage Foundation ID, Dreadnought Project page, IWGA athlete ID, Argentinian Historic Heritage ID


 * Query examples:
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Talkback
Winged Blades Godric 16:18, 4 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Reading through your views across different places, it seems that you have been a quite-vocal critic of AfC, since long back.So, as advised at Shyamal's t/p, we I expect that you would kindly bring all instances of erroneous reviewing that made you lose faith in the process, to our kind attention and ultimately help in the betterment of AfC.Regards:) Thankfully, Winged Blades Godric  10:26, 5 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Given the vitriolic - not to say dishonest - personal attacks made on- and off- wiki in response to my doing so previously, by some of your AfC colleagues and their supporters, I am sure that you will understand why I shall be cautious in doing so. Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 12:12, 5 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Hmm..Sorry, I did not know of any such untoward incident and condemn it.It seems from your previous statement that you have brought such erroneous reviews to the forefront at some on-wiki venue previously. Can you please provide a link to such discussions. Alternatively, you may choose to email or me.Regards:) Winged Blades Godric  12:20, 5 December 2017 (UTC)
 * For what it's worth, I'm assuming that's the royal "we", since I expect nothing. I've always respected your opinions, Andy, and I'm always happy to discuss things with you. Primefac (talk) 12:31, 5 December 2017 (UTC)
 * I actually sought the erroneous reviews because Andy is clearly a much-experienced contributor and even a minimum feedback/observation from him w.r.t particular set of AFC reviews/reviewers would channelize the often-minimal oversight in a more clear path and lead to the betterment of the process. Winged Blades Godric 12:49, 5 December 2017 (UTC)
 * AfC is just a lazy review process that does nothing to improve the quality of articles nor encourage or retain new editors. The first article I pick from those waiting for months Fiona O'Carroll sat there for two months before a receiving a lazy review that said one peacock term hugely popular which I changed to popular was enough to reject the article.  Another pile on review said 3 sources wasnt enough to establish notability I added two more IMDB and News out in Ireland, also found out the person had a top 10 single.  Tell me how does AfC work any different from AfD/prod/CSD and every other process thats just there to delete content.   Gnangarra 13:40, 5 December 2017 (UTC)
 * , there are just so many things wrong with your comment. First off, it was only declined once, for only having one reference. The other comments were just that - comments. Second, the first decline said that one reference wasn't necessary - where is "three" coming from? Fourth, the draft at the time you moved it was acceptable, and I would assume that had it actually received a review it would have been accepted. The issue is that we have about 2500 drafts to review and only about 120 people doing the reviewing, so sometimes drafts sit around for a while. Fifth, IMDb is not and never will be a reliable source, so I have removed it. Primefac (talk) 13:51, 5 December 2017 (UTC)
 * IMDB is a commonly used reference, it had 3 reviews and 3 citations in the article, comment or review each look exactly the same not one of them had substance. They were all lazy, useless responses that did nothing to improve the article or help the person who wrote it improve their contributions. On top that it took 2 months for those response to even be posted seriously that is totally unacceptable on all counts.  If AfC wants to help new editors the process needs to be completed with in days or hours if the new editor is active because new people dont wait two months for a response.  Those over worked 120 reviewers arent achieving the aim of helping new people create articles, the process is just too convoluted hence the back log, the long lag times, and poor reviews/comments.  There is nothing to make AfC worthy of hanging onto any longer new contributors are more valuable than keeping a process going beyond its capacity. Gnangarra 14:07, 5 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Commonly used? Replying in more details soon.   Winged Blades Godric  14:10, 5 December 2017 (UTC)

If you have a better idea of how we can deal with all of the garbage that comes through AFC in order to find the chestnuts, by all means post your suggestions on WT:AFC. Otherwise, you're just blowing hot air around. I'd love to have 500 or so AFC reviewers so that we could get the backlog down, but unless you know of some way to motivate people that I don't, the situation isn't likely to change. And yes, per Godric, IMDb is basically disallowed to the point of not being useful. Primefac (talk) 14:14, 5 December 2017 (UTC)
 * So your response to someone pointing out just some of the problems with AfC, and providing the kind of example that you yourself requested, is to accuse them of "blowing hot air around"? Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 14:24, 5 December 2017 (UTC)
 * and there is the rub, Otherwise, you're just blowing hot air around yep lots of hot air it helps things rise where as pouring cold water just sinks everything. I gave you my answer its the process that has failed, there no way to fix it in its current form and prevent the damage that its doing to those of us who spend 100's if not 1,000's of hours doing outreach work picking through the pieces showing people they dont need to beg to make an article. The whole point is deal with the garbage, but dont waste valuable opportunities on nonsensical demands that take months. Simplify the process dont expect or demand GA quality  who really cares if an article starts by by saying hugely popular or just popular AfC is not and should never be trying to be FAC or even GAC.  If doesnt need deleting pass it, AfC doesnt need check lists and tags, and review after review, comment after comment. If the subject is notable the article will be edited and expanded over time get out the way and let anyone, everyone contribute thats what made Wikipedia great in the first place.  Gnangarra 14:34, 5 December 2017 (UTC)
 * I did ask for feedback, but "it's broken and should be thrown away" is just hot air unless you actually plan on formally proposing that change. To anyone who has looked at the backlog over the last two months it's painfully obvious that we need more folks helping out. We don't expect perfection in drafts, and I've accepted quite a few drafts that I personally don't feel are good enough but meet our specifications. Currently only 9% of drafts accepted through AFC are nominated for deletion, which compared to NPR (which deletes or nominates probably 20% of the articles it sees) is a pretty damn good percentage. With 2500 drafts currently in the process there are bound to be outliers (bad declines or inappropriate acceptances), but rather than cherry pick those drafts to point how incredibly flawed the process is we need to look at the overall results - a boatload of garbage has been kept from making it into the article space.
 * As for your comment If the subject is notable the article will be edited and expanded over time - that's absolutely true, but if someone presents a draft with insufficient referencing for the reviewer to determine if notability is even remotely viable, then it should be declined. I've declined (and deleted) a host of articles that looked like the subject was notable but turned out were complete fabrications with enough bombardment to try and sneak it through.
 * I agree that a two-month review period is too long, but there's nothing we can do to change that. NPR is backlogged six months (with 13k articles) but no one is calling for it to be disbanded. Even if we were to get rid of AFC entirely we'd just shift the burden onto NPR, which would then dramatically increase the burden on AFD (since pages would have to be nominated for deletion instead of just declined) and the quality of Wikipedia would dovetail sharply.
 * There are small changes that can be implemented within the project itself if it's a viable suggestion, but when I have to defend the project as a whole we stop discussing improvement and instead just argue that it is or isn't a valuable waste of time. Clearly neither side is going to convince the other that it should or shouldn't be nuked, which is why I was trying to get down to brass tacks and find what specifically should be worked on. "Reviewers need to leave better feedback" is productive, and it's something that we've been trying to work on recently. Primefac (talk) 14:53, 5 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Gnaggara, you are so pathetically wrong and ill-knowledged over almost everything at your first point, that I doubt whether you know enough about the workflow of AfC machinery or are taking some random potshots at the process.Anyways, PFac had contradicted it quite well.Your second point is quite better and addresses a genuine point--about the delay of an average review of an average article.But, what you are going for is the Nirvana fallacy.We don't wiki-live in an utopia and neither shall you think something along the lines of that.If you have any plan to bolster the number of contributors to AfC, we are all ears but otherwise it's really just hot airs.You spent valuable time doing outreach work and we spend equally valuable time cleaning up all the spams about garage-bands, startups and obviously the mess of some of those specialised outreach events Remember outreaches in areas of Indian Castes etc? and thus have an equal right to look for reducing the frontline workload at NPP.Also, unless we reside in alternate realities, AFC isn't remotely trying FAC/GAC.Finally, by If doesnt need deleting pass it iff you are proposing that AFC works like a CSD screening mechanism, start a RFC, generate consensus and the flock will happily abide by or participate at Village pump (idea lab)/Archive 24.Regards:) Winged Blades Godric 15:11, 5 December 2017 (UTC)