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November 2018
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Hausa People.
Please tell me where my edits are wrong. The Hausa people food and clothing are Original and have no relation whatsoever with that of the Yoruba or the Shuwa. Rather the Yoruba have adopted Hausa style of food and clothing into their culture such as Gari or Garri (being a Hausa word meaning powdered grain) from Cassava which the Hausa have cultivated for centuries long before the Yoruba got cassava introduced to them by the Portuguese. As for clothing, the Yoruba are closest to the Bini people of Edo state in culture and History and you cannot see any Bini man wearing anything close to Hausa dress. Anyways, i will cite sources and references soon enough.Ppdallo (talk) 14:21, 7 November 2018 (UTC)

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Hausa People
What I added on Hausa people is completely verifiable with references. Nothing controversialI. For instance, if you could take the time to google Paul E. Love joy book “Salt of the desert Sun ...” 1986. This extract is from that book “Hausa tanners made leather aprons and loincloths, cushions, bags, sandals, saddles and other horse ... So- called Moroccan leather was in fact often leather imported from the central Sudan or other parts of West Africa“. Actually am new to Wikipedia so I have not digested all the rules. I will take the time to compile all references and re-edit. Right? Ppdallo (talk) 00:26, 9 November 2018 (UTC)

November 2018
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Please do not add or change content, as you did at Hausa people, without citing a reliable source. Please review the guidelines at Citing sources and take this opportunity to add references to the article. Caution for unsourced inflation of numbers (the one source added does *not* support the numbers added...). - Tom &#124; Thomas.W talk 13:15, 10 November 2018 (UTC)

Hello Mahveotm,  Thomas.W I would greatly appreciate it if you guys could join me on the Hausa people talk page to discuss my intended edits as I have already started the discussion. Cheers Ppdallo (talk) 07:48, 11 November 2018 (UTC)

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Thanks for your soothing and encouraging words HandsomeBoy and I am glad having someone like you to hold my hand during my tottering steps through Wikipedia. I believe in free, genuine information and its copious availability to all. Yes I speak the Hausa language very well and hope I will be of use in that and many other regards.Thanks once again! Ppdallo (talk) 08:27, 11 November 2018 (UTC)

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Ok. thanks, bro!

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Edit on Yoruba
It must be duly noted that the use of the term 'Yarabawa' by Sultan Bello or any other earlier usage as it occurs in the Hausa language simply means nothing other than 'Oyo people' same way 'Kanawa' would be Kano people and 'Larabawa' would be Arabs. As such, the 'when', 'why' and 'how' of how the term transformed into Yoruba and came to be adopted, accepted and POPULARISED to include all speakers of the Yoruba language which was indeed a consequence of the early literary works of Crowther Ajayi a saro of Oyo origin needs to be duly noted and not merely reduced to a reference to the use of the term 'Yarabawa' by Sultan Bello. Thank You.

Trying to change history how??
Your approach to Wikipedia edits is that of an ethnic supremacist and not one of a scholar, and that is vandalism.. The origin of the name Yarabawa and its Hausa connection is clearly in the wikipedia article, if you would further like the reference the Fulani sultan Muhammad Bello's earlier use of the term as a descriptive for yoruba people in the article, that is completely up to you. But it was the exonym for Oyos- not for all the others, I don't know how that is so difficult for you to understand. How the name Yaraba or Yarabawa or Yorubawa or any other variation thereof became the general name of Yorubas today is what constitutes the second part of the piece on etymology. At the beginning of the 19th century there were several competing names that were in wide usage to refer to the generality of Yoruba people. Aku was one, Yoruba was another, Anago was another, and Lukumi was yet another. In colonial documents and in records of Yorubas in the trans atlantic slavery, All these versions appeared in equal measure with Anago being the most popular until all of crowther's early groundbreaking literary works that used 'Yoruba'. Yorubas don't have Hausas to 'thank' for the existence of their ethnic group like you wrote earlier on my talkpage, because the ethnic groups didn't begin with the adoption of that name, I don't know what you are thinking. You stop trying to simplify the narrative. Ok, and in case you don't know I am an ilorin indigene who is part Pullo (Fulani). My previous wiki user name was Bappa.

Yes, trying to change history and steal Hausa Culture
Muhammadu Bellos etnography contribution must be noted here and not only Ajayi Crowther. Hugh Clapperton requested to know what the Hausa "called the people of Oyo to their south" and he told him "Yarabawa" which was a plural of Ya raba. The alternative name Aku is Also Hausa, meaning parrot(alluding to the talkative nature of Oyo people) which the Hausa found in abundance in Oyo. Also you should know that there was never a Yoruba tribe in history, without that Hausa name all the myriads of tribes calling themselves Yoruba today would rather be known as ife, modakeke, ijebu, egba, ekun etc etc.. I see that you claim to come from Ilorin. If truly so, would you help correct all the false information on How Islam got to Yoruba land? If you don't do it i have a plan on doing it.

Yorubas have to thank the Hausa for not only giving them name but for giving them culture in terms of religion, cloth, musical instruments and Ajami literacy. WITHOUT HAUSA CLOTHING STYLE THAT THEY GAVE THE YORUBA, THEY WILL BE REDUCED TO WEARING ONLY EUROPEAN CLOTHING AS A LOT OF THEM STILL DO TODAY.

Take discussion to topic talk page
My origin as an Ilorin Person is not the same as that of being yoruba. Ilorin has a unique history in Yorubaland different from all the others. No problem if you plan on working on the history of Islam in Yorubaland as long as you have all the necessary historical references to back it up. But note that Wangara muslim traders were in Oyo for a long time as stated in the article, and Hausas and Dendi came as a second wave, and Fulbe as a third.

So now Aku means parrot because the Oyo people were talkative? At this stage, I believe you are just making things up by the way.

Lets meet at Yoruba people talk page
Do you have any historical reference to back up your claim of wangara ever being in Oyo? These people were traders and i challenge you to mention one thing/item that the Oyo people were trading with northerly/Sanannah/Sahelian people much less with the Wangara. Kolanut was all the Oyo people were sending northwards and it was through the Hausa people (thats why all sahelian people knew kolanut by its hausa name of "Goro") which was the primary reason what drew the Hausa to Oyo in the first place.

I am not making things up. That is exactly the origin and connotation of the word Aku, though unfortunately derogatory but thats it.

On the Yoruba people
Ordinarily, this discussion shouldn't even be as drawn out as you are making it, but of course let us discuss all the intricacies and nitty-gritties of the subject at hand while forgoing of all assumptions and made up fables. Yes, the concept of "Yoruba people" as a monolithic social/ethnic entity was an experience that first took hold in the diaspora of the Atlantic world and was largely due to the experience of Yoruba slaves who saw their far more mutual commonalities with one another as against the backdrop of being co-existent with other African people with whom they shared far less in common than their fellow Yorubas. You only seem to be supporting everything I said before as Crowther is himself a Yoruba slave returnee by way of Sierra Leone and was a missionary. Of course they were also aware that they were people of the same stock even back in their own ethnic homeland back in Nigeria and Benin but the in-fighting and constant inter clan warfare of the time did not allow them to coalesce successfully. This is not different from the experience of most other African ethnic group of the period, including the Hausa group which you hail from who were either politically Gobirawa, Kanawa, Adarawa, Katsinawa, E.t.c before the Jihad.

Secondly; Crowther and SOME of his other colleagues clearly knew what Yoruba was and was very conversant with the area known today as "Yorubaland" since he (as well as some others) were already adults who were cognitively and developmentally aware before they were captured from their various village in the interior of Oyo (in the case of Ajayi) as well as other places such as Ijesha, Awori (Otta), Ilorin, Ogbomosho, Badagry and so forth. Crowther himself knew what Yoruba was, since it was already in use amongst the Oyos themselves before he became a victim of the transatlantic slave trade. He did not learn from Hugh clapperton's book or that of any other. The problem here is that you are assuming a lot of things that you are not very well informed about. Some of the indentured servants (not slaves) who voluntarily went into the diaspora in the mid 1800s took the name 'Yoruba' with them, although at this point they were in the minority since slavery was already officially abolished in a lot of places, as such the name did not take hold unlike the others like Lukumi and Nago.

Thirdly, Muhammad Bello himself can not be credited with the creation of the term 'Yoruba', 'Yaraba', "Yariba', Yarabawa" or the term as it appears in any of its previous or current forms. Did he use it any of his ajami writings to describe the Oyos? Yes he did. Were Yorubas aware of his writings in Ajami? Probably or not. But did he create the term? Most definitely not. And that is why the term is rightfully referenced back to the Hausas and the Hausa Language and not Bello. Even this is still contestable and I am doing some serious research work at right now into how that term came about for the Oyos because the truth is is that is does not have any specific meaning in Hausa language, However since the Yorubas themselves call the Borgu people Baruba, it would only make more parallel sense that the Oyos who were their neighbors were the Yoruba. But since I have no online sources to back up this particular claim as of yet, I would leave that out of the plane of discourse (for now).

Yes an exonym is a name that has its source in an external out-group source. Either for a place, a people or a culture as against the opposite terminology 'Endonym' which is a name whose origin is within the group in question. Baruba/Bariba is a Yoruba exonym for Baatonum/Borgu people, it has stuck into the modern era.. Tapa is a Yoruba exonym for Nupe people. Gambari is a Yoruba exonym for Hausas. Ado is a Yoruba exonym for Binis.... And until I a conclude my research work on whether the term 'Yoruba' actually does have its roots from within the Hausas there is no other word to describe it for now other than an 'Exonym', it is not misplaced usage. User:Oramfe (talk), 27 November 2019 (UTC)

Nice try, User:Oramfe!

1. Like i told you before, Gobir, Katsina, Adar etc were all names of towns and the affixed "wa" connotes that they come from those towns and they all identify as Hausa throughout their history. unlike Ijebu, Badagary, Egba, Igbomina, Ekiti, Okun etc, which are all individual tribes with different languages coming under the artificial umbrella called "Yoruba"

2. Ajayi crowther was not an adult but only twelve years old and illiterate when he was captured into slavery. he was educated by European missionaries who got their knowledge of African peoples through their explorers such as Hugh Clapperton. So even as the name "Yoruba" was in use among the Oyo themselves, he couldn't have known much about their neighbors to the south much less see the need to extend the name Yoruba over them.

3. Bello did not create the name "Yaraba" but Hausa traders and explorers (the latter we call them Falake as plural or falke as singular). His role here is in using the name in his Ajami writings (copies of which, by the way, were already in the hands of the British even before they decided to send explorers into Africa) and also when he officially pronounced it to Clapperton when he asked him. Please let sleeping dogs lay. Most names of groups of people or nationalities do not have meaning. "Hausa" has no meaning in the Hausa language, so is "English" in the English language, or Igbo in "Igbo" language etc. But incidentally, "Ya raba" "Yaraba" or the corrupted version "Yoruba" has a serious meaning in the Hausa language. It connotes the "divisive" nature of the Oyo people. literally, "ya raba" means "He divides".

4. In the case of similarity between Baruba and Yoruba, i honestly wish you good luck in your efforts to research this issue but be informed that the name "Baruba" has its roots in the name of their land which is Borgu/Borugu and is actually of Hausa coinage and its similitude is just like that of the people of Borno/Boruno whom the Hausa call "Bareba-ri.

5. On referring to term "Yoruba" as an "Exonym" which i call a misplacement in your edit, i would like to call your attention to the fact that the British gave us the name "Nigeria" which we have accepted and is in use among us today so its not an exonym but a name given to us by our colonial masters. Ppdallo (talk) 07:57, 28 November 2019 (UTC)

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 * I want to point out to you and User:Oramfe that if either of you wants anyone else to take your arguments into consideration when evaluating any edits you make to the article, you need to be holding this discussion at Talk:Yoruba people, as Ppdallo has attempted to do, instead of on each other's talk pages. (If neither of you plans to make any edits in the wake of this, then it doesn't matter!) Largoplazo (talk) 12:41, 27 November 2019 (UTC)

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Yoruba people
The information that you put on how large my people are is incorrect. We were at about 40 million in 2016. We were at about 45 million or so in 2017. Now we should be at about 60 million. It makes sense because my people are a Muslim-majority ethnic group. We are following up with the Hausa people. As the Hausa people are rapidly increasing, so are we. It is the Igbo people that have not really increased in population. Abal126 (talk) 02:43, 2 June 2021 (UTC)

Ha. That is not how it works, my friend. It is according to careful and official study of the demographics in Nigeria. Check all the cited references and you will see that the info. is correct. by the way it is not me that put Yoruba people population at that figure rather it was an update by User:Oramfe(whom i believe to be Yoruba like you). The issue is not about how Yoruba population should be but how it actually is, backed up with verifiable source. Please help Wikipedia attain perfection as a source of correct information and not misinformation. Thank you. Ppdallo (talk) 10:24, 2 June 2021 (UTC)

Yoruba people
Trust me, bro, I know what I am saying. Look, I am a scholar like you and others who have edited, brother. I go on wikipedia all of the time. If it was correct, would I be editing it all over the place, no?. I am not new to Wikipedia. Abal126 (talk) 18:33, 2 June 2021 (UTC)

Yoruba people
By the way, if you state that Yoruba Christians number around 22 million and you state that there are around 35 million Yoruba people in total, you are stating that majority of Yoruba people are Christians, which is not true. Anybody who know about us very well would know the fact that we are a Muslim-majority ethnic group, not a Christian-majority ethnic group. So it means that Yoruba Christians cannot number around 22 million at all. The amount of Yoruba Christians in total have to number far less than 22 million. Abal126 (talk) 22:48, 2 June 2021 (UTC)

Abal126 I don't understand what you are saying.But i will advise you to refrain from willful vandalism of Wikipedia contents based on ethnicity and religion. It is about verifiable content and not whims and caprices. If you believe your information is correct, lets move over to Yoruba talk page and discuss this issue.Ppdallo (talk) 09:39, 3 June 2021 (UTC)

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Yoruba people
Can you please talk to Talisman-white and warn that person not to edit information on Yoruba people again. This person has repeatedly edited information on the Yoruba people and it is getting kind of frustrating. Thank you and have a nice day. Abal126 (talk) 03:44, 15 July 2021 (UTC)

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Ppdallo, please, I need your help. Talisman-white keeps reediting the Yoruba people webpage. This person keeps putting the majority religion of the Yoruba people as Christianity when it is in fact Islam as the majority religion of the Yoruba people. If we were a Christian-majority ethnic group, then Nigeria would not be a Muslim-majority nation. Abal126 (talk) 03:21, 7 September 2021 (UTC)

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