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please review my response on my talk page Karmaloop334 (talk) 19:24, 4 November 2015 (UTC)

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am a legit owner of the material posted
Hello I am not sure why you chose to delete everything i have tried to contribute to Wikipedia. Fist am the legit owner of the website in question. you didn't even ask me to prove whether its mine, you just went ahead and deleted it.

Tha is being biased — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mugwandia (talk • contribs) 08:55, 10 November 2015 (UTC)
 * First, I didn't delete anything. On Wikipedia people edit each other's work and it can always be undone. Second, either you uploaded an image that belonged to someone else in violation of copyright or you're promoting your website on Wikipedia. For the former, the image needs to be removed, for the latter, the links need to be removed (and they probably should anyway as a gossip site is almost never going to meet the criteria for what Wikipedia considers a reliable source (see WP:RS)). It's not personal -- it's just an extension of core policies like "neutral point of view" and "conflict of interest". &mdash;  Rhododendrites talk  \\ 13:01, 10 November 2015 (UTC)

WikiProject Deletion sorting user box
Hello: Just a note that I have created a new user box for WikiProject Deletion sorting members, located at WikiProject Deletion sorting user box. Feel free to include it on your user pages if you'd like. Cheers, North America1000 10:02, 11 November 2015 (UTC)
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firstly, I am not giving out my own ideas, I was just telling you what the actual definition of an anti hero was. I wasn't you my own definition of it, I was correcting you of what it actually meant. don't believe me? look up the definition of anti hero on somewhere like urban dictionary, and you'll see what I mean. also villain protagonist is an actual definition btw. — Preceding unsigned comment added by FPSfan3000 (talk • contribs) 14:11, 11 November 2015 (UTC)


 * Unless you replace the cited source with another reliable source (as defined at WP:RS), it might as well be your own ideas. Urban Dictionary is not a reliable source for anything, nevermind literary/film criticism. An Antihero just has to be a protagonist who does not have heroic qualities. It does not require him/her/it to perform heroic deeds. There are many reliable sources talking about Patrick Bateman as an antihero, so you could find sources that call him something else and we might be able to add it if it would be due weight, but in order to replace it we'd need sources specifically saying he's not an antihero or a preponderance of sources calling him something else. &mdash;  Rhododendrites talk  \\ 14:17, 11 November 2015 (UTC)

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Ongoing issues on list of converts article
Hello, there are ongoing issues on the List of converts to Hinduism from Islam article. Another user, user:D4iNa4 on the talk page keeps on reverting removals of personalities whose sources indicate a "forced conversion". As you have stated it doesn't seem like it should be on the list. We have a discussion going on, on the talk page here: Talk:List_of_converts_to_Hinduism_from_Islam. Also, according to BLP policies of WP as far as I understand, it requires a direct quotation of living persons, which is not the case for Palakkode's source. Feel free to join us if you have any ideas about this. Xtremedood (talk) 01:28, 15 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the heads up. I responded on the article talk page. &mdash;  Rhododendrites talk  \\ 03:05, 15 November 2015 (UTC)

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Junk trader charactor
Yup I nominated it cause the article sucks and it seemed like a good laugh for everyone given all the jumping up and down but refusal to delete the editor's acct. I loved your keep vote. Hopefully someone will go fix the long standing problems, and I never expected it would be deleted of course. Legacypac (talk) 18:44, 16 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Having engaged in big clean up projects before -- on Wikipedia, at work, etc. -- I feel like I get the resentment, desire for expedience, and need for some occasional comic relief. And I think you and others have done a lot of good work in this clean up. What this nomination says to me (although admittedly, it's probably pretty clear that I think aspects of the backlash against Neelix-touched material have gone too far) is that it may be time to consider putting the mop down for a while before you start making little models of Neelix and blow up the golf course encyclopedia. :) &mdash;  Rhododendrites talk  \\ 19:11, 16 November 2015 (UTC)

Rhododendrites blog
Hi! I just wanted to let you know about a new article about the Rhododendrites blog. I'm assuming this is your site? Good job, I found it interesting. Duck of Luke (talk) 20:13, 16 November 2015 (UTC)

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My three notability lacking album pages
Thanks for informing me about the proper rules, Rhododendrites. I was wondering if there was a way I could call out to other editors and contributors who can help me with that. It'd be much appreciated. Rmcrae2015 (talk) 01:10, 18 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Well, sort of. There are general purpose help pages like WP:TEAHOUSE and Help desk where there might be people willing to help. You could also go to pages where people with similar interests might be and post to the talk pages. Like the artist pages. That's less likely to get responses, though. With any of these, there's always the possibility that you'll attract attention to the pages such that people will push for their deletion -- or, as I alluded to in my initial message, redirected to the artist page.
 * Here's what I would recommend. First, move the articles to the draft space. That means they still exist but they're in a place where you (or others) can work on them without worrying about them being deleted. So instead of Cherry (Lisa Shaw album) it would be Draft:Cherry (Lisa Shaw album). Once they're ready, they can be moved back to the article space. Frankly, as they stand now, it's just a matter of time before they're deleted or redirected. If you don't know how to move them, I can do it for you if that's what you want to do.
 * Regardless of whether you move them to the draft space or not, the best first step you can take is to conduct a thorough search for reliable sources. The standards for album articles on Wikipedia are here: WP:NALBUM. The short version is that unless it has, for example, charted or won a major award, it's essential to provide multiple references to high quality sources which talk about the album in depth. This most often, but not always, means reviews. Once you've found a bunch of those, get them into the article. Ideally, you'd build the text of the article, citing sources as appropriate, but in the short term you could also just paste the links under the "References" section. It's messy, and certainly doesn't make for a good article, but it showing significance in that way prevents deletion. Hope this helps. &mdash;  Rhododendrites talk  \\ 17:02, 20 November 2015 (UTC)

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Cincinnatireview.com is one of uc's best publications. Your edit is mistaken. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Doanspraul (talk • contribs) 16:08, 21 November 2015‎
 * Hi there. I don't doubt that it's one of UC's best publications. I doubt doubt it's a high quality publication, either. The issue is just that the list of literary magazines isn't an exhaustive list of all literary magazines but a list of literary magazines for which Wikipedia has an article. There is no article about the Cincinnati Review, so I removed it. Most lists on Wikipedia aren't exhaustive. Some are, but usually it's a list of "notable examples" where "notable" is kind of a technical term explained here: WP:N. A lot of the time, for the purpose of lists, "notable" is conflated with "has an article", since if something has an article that hasn't been deleted, we can probably presume it's notable. Perhaps you'd like to write an article about the Cincinnati Review? The key would be to find all the sources you can which talk about it in some depth (and they should be sources published outside of the University of Cincinnati). For more information about writing an article, see Your first article. Hope that helps. Sorry for the confusion. &mdash; <span style="font-family:monospace, monospace;"> Rhododendrites <sup style="font-size:80%;">talk  \\ 16:23, 21 November 2015 (UTC)

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As a participant in this RfD discussion, I thought you might be interested in this one: Redirects for discussion/Log/2015 November 24. Thank you. 63.116.31.198 (talk) 21:45, 24 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the heads up. Commented. More or less a repeat of last time. At least it's pointed to Mossad this time rather than ISIS, but it's still a conspiracy theory term. &mdash; <span style="font-family:monospace, monospace;"> Rhododendrites <sup style="font-size:80%;">talk  \\ 04:19, 25 November 2015 (UTC)

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I noticed your thanks for my work on Fort Wetherill, and you're welcome. I've done a lot of work on Rhode Island's forts recently, including new pages for most of the 1895-1945 forts and expansion of those that already had articles. I've also done the same for Maine forts, and I've worked on a lot of US Navy submarine and destroyer class articles. My brother is in Rhode Island and has been active in preserving Fort Adams. I'm retired in Arizona and have a lot of time for Wikipedia. I have a decent reference library on the above subjects. RobDuch (talk) 21:27, 25 November 2015 (UTC)
 * If you haven't already come across it, you might want to check out WikiProject Military history's Fortifications task force. I noticed you have the WikiProject box on your user page, but figure it's worth a mention since I didn't see your name among the participants at the task force page. My own interest is more specific to Rhode Island/history. Growing up in the area, Wetherill was one of my favorite places to visit/explore. :) Thanks again for your work. &mdash; <span style="font-family:monospace, monospace;"> Rhododendrites <sup style="font-size:80%;">talk  \\ 19:56, 27 November 2015 (UTC)

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 * Curiously, I have not received any. I'll follow up tomorrow if that's still the case. &mdash; <span style="font-family:monospace, monospace;"> Rhododendrites <sup style="font-size:80%;">talk  \\ 19:48, 27 November 2015 (UTC)
 * I still haven't received anything FYI. My email is on my user page if you'd prefer to use that directly, though. &mdash; <span style="font-family:monospace, monospace;"> Rhododendrites <sup style="font-size:80%;">talk  \\ 14:29, 28 November 2015 (UTC)

Trivial mentions
Footnote 1 of WP:N was deleted with this edit following discussion at WT:N. As that footnote was always the sole subject matter of the essay Trivial mentions, I think that essay is now completely obsolete. In view of the interest you have expressed in this essay, do you have any objection to its being marked with Template:Historical? I ask only because I do not want to place a template only to have it ripped off again and because I fear that you might edit the essay in ignorance of the changes at WP:N. James500 (talk) 10:31, 28 November 2015 (UTC)
 * I've responded at WT:N as I think removing that footnote without replacing it with something is a mistake. The way it's changed should alter that essay, not render it "historical" as though trivial mentions are now irrelevant. Someone else can just edit it again. I haven't had any intentions myself to edit that essay regardless, though. &mdash; <span style="font-family:monospace, monospace;"> Rhododendrites <sup style="font-size:80%;">talk  \\ 14:28, 28 November 2015 (UTC)

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Regarding this edit, I do not believe for one moment that LibStar makes comments like that because he is frustrated. In this instance, following a break of months since our last unpleasant interaction, he seems to have followed me around from venue to venue (since he arrives in unrelated venues shortly after me) since I persuaded an admin to delete a section of his user page (which was WP:POLEMIC and copyvio). It is probably his idea of a vendetta. James500 (talk) 17:01, 28 November 2015 (UTC)

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content destruction
Why you have such a hard on about deleting good content? You a sad person in need of attention so you shrink wikipedia piece at a time? Tear down work Wikipedians do? Annoy them with tags until they leave? Why you not go outside instead and see the sun. Read a book. Stop wrecking and start creating. Yt442 (talk) 23:37, 29 November 2015 (UTC)
 * I get that you're frustrated that an article about a site you like is up for deletion -- and that I'm the one who nominated it. I assure you it's nothing personal. In fact, I'd not heard of the site previously and don't hold anything against it now. Wikipedia has a quasi-objective measure of importance called notability to determine what we should have articles on. Anyone is welcome to create any article, and anyone else is welcome to suggest it be deleted if it doesn't pass those criteria. The guidelines on notability are the product of hundreds of pages worth of discussion within the community over the course of several years (and they're still evolving). Encyc simply does not pass those criteria. If the deletion discussion only saw participation from experienced editors, it would've been rather open-and-shut (i.e. straightforward), but things got a little messy because it attracted people like yourself who are only on Wikipedia to support that article (rather than for the sake of improving Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines) -- and because people started making arguments about the article that are quite evidently untrue. It may not be intentional. It may just be an unfamiliarity with Wikipedia rules, persistent because those who are telling you about the rules are, well, "sad people in need of attention..." yada yada. I have nothing against Encyc (and in fact work quite hard on a regular basis to keep articles that are nominated for deletion -- frequently about encyclopedias and other websites), but it just doesn't meet standards for notability. If you'd like to have a conversation about notability, deletion, reliable sources, etc. I'm perfectly happy to do so. But if you're not just trying to troll, please don't reply to this with this ridiculous business about "destruction" or that I should "recuse" myself. &mdash; <span style="font-family:monospace, monospace;"> Rhododendrites <sup style="font-size:80%;">talk  \\ 00:46, 30 November 2015 (UTC)
 * what is troll? You work for company that promotes on wiki.  You ex out other group it is conflict.  All I was saying with that.  No matter how many rules you say or know about it still serves your employer to exclude nonpaying group. Yt442 (talk) 01:40, 30 November 2015 (UTC)
 * This is getting tedious. See trolling and let me know if you want to have a real conversation. Meanwhile, now that I've single-handedly conquered and destroyed Wikipedia's fiercest of competitors, Encyc (well, suggested their Wikipedia article be deleted anyway), I'll sit back and start raking in the big $$$. &mdash; <span style="font-family:monospace, monospace;"> Rhododendrites <sup style="font-size:80%;">talk  \\ 01:55, 30 November 2015 (UTC)Villainc.svg

Smartsheet
I was looking for anyone with an interest in this page and noticed that you deleted quite a bit of content from it in May of last year, because the content was in a bulleted format with a promotional section title (milestones) rather than neutral and well-sourced prose in the article-body. You mentioned in your edit-summary that this content could be restored in proper prose, etc.

I've proposed a draft on the Talk page here that I think would address your concerns, as well as other promotion issues, and generally improve/expand/update the article. Because I have a financial connection with Smartsheet, I'm sharing the draft on the Talk page for consideration by a disinterested editor. If you have a minute to take a look, it would be greatly appreciated! David King, Ethical Wiki (Talk) 14:44, 30 November 2015 (UTC)
 * ✅ left a message at Talk:Smartsheet. &mdash; <span style="font-family:monospace, monospace;"> Rhododendrites <sup style="font-size:80%;">talk  \\ 02:18, 1 December 2015 (UTC)

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Hey, I have decided to take the issue on the list of converts article to the DRN. You are also mentioned there. . Xtremedood (talk) 06:36, 4 December 2015 (UTC)

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Connectionism
I didn't mean to do restore, I tried to use the "undo" function! I'm sorry — Preceding unsigned comment added by Emmaocinneide (talk • contribs) 21:19, 7 December 2015 (UTC)
 * No worries, but please be careful not to add copyright violations to Wikipedia. In case you haven't seen them yet, I left a couple messages on your user talk page (User talk:Emmaocinneide). Please let me know if I can help to clarify anything. &mdash; <span style="font-family:monospace, monospace;"> Rhododendrites <sup style="font-size:80%;">talk  \\ 21:35, 7 December 2015 (UTC)

Adding to Rhododendrites/Chaney
Hola! I want to add a section about Chaney's 26-count federal indictment for conspiracy and securities fraud in the 1980's, but I never did that before, so I don't know all of the ropes about formatting, etc. Is there a way I can put up a draft without messing up all of the beautifully organized work you did? Thanks for doing that BTW! Permstrump (talk) 17:13, 10 December 2015 (UTC)


 * Well, in general I'd say feel free to do try whatever you want. If something gets messed up, we can always undo or fix it. But although I don't know exactly what you're planning, I have express concerns about that sort of addition in particular. Wikipedia has much stricter rules for content about living people than it does about anything else, and those rules generally apply to talk pages and user pages as well. See, for example, WP:BLPCRIME and the WP:BLP policy in general. The /Chaney page (as with the other on-wiki discussions) should really just be to track/coordinate/communicate/organize for the purpose of determining the best way to treat the various Chaney-related subjects on Wikipedia (and perhaps some problematic editors who worked on them, if applicable). To that end it's relevant to consider what's true, what's not true, what sources are real, what aren't real, what topics actually exist, what sources actually say, etc. because all of that directly affects how we write about the subjects (and whether we write about them at all). Determining whether there is a conflict of interest (though being careful not to "out" anyone) or sock puppetry likewise has a direct impact on Wikipedia content. So it makes sense to take various steps to figure that stuff out. But what we don't want to do is to produce a Chaney attack page or characterize him as having violated any laws that he has not been formally convicted of. If reliable secondary sources talk about it, sometimes that sort of thing is ok, but in general we try to avoid including legal allegations in all but exceptional circumstances. In short, use discretion. If it were me, and I determined the indictment were directly relevant to Wikipedia, I'd probably do something like link to "possibly related legal matters" without going into detail. There are hard rules, but their application requires careful contextual judgment. &mdash; <span style="font-family:monospace, monospace;"> Rhododendrites <sup style="font-size:80%;">talk  \\ 18:02, 10 December 2015 (UTC)


 * Well, that answers my next question. Hehe :) I was going to link to reports about his indictment from sec.gov and also the local paper that covered it during the trial is available on google news archives. He was found innocent, but it's a pretty convoluted story. If I post something in my own sandbox, will you be able to see it? Do the rules apply to my sandbox? I'd still want someone to check that it doesn't violate any policies before I post it, not just formatting, etc. I do keep having to catch myself. I won't mind if you give me a nudge if/when I accidentally cross the line a bit. :) Speaking of, should I redact most of this comment? Permstrump (talk) 18:57, 10 December 2015 (UTC)


 * I don't consider myself an expert on the subtleties of WP:BLP. Where there is doubt, ask at WP:BLPN. There's a lot of gray area, but I tend to play it safe when it comes to legal terms and discussion of allegations. There are other ways to word things, anyway. Think of it this way: Wikipedia as a source of information about people is a powerful medium. Information about someone on Wikipedia can have consequences. Many people have sued both the Wikimedia Foundation and individual editors because of the way they've been depicted on the site, usually without much success. Once in a while, it makes national headlines like in the Wikipedia Seigenthaler biography incident, where a journalist was tied to the assassination of JFK in his article for several months (!). Were Chaney a low-profile individual (I don't think he qualifies as such), referring to him as a "con artist" and casting doubt on a not guilty judgment would be, in my view, a very dark gray area :) But he's a public person, and we're on a talk page, so it's sort of an ash gray rather than gunmetal. In a worst case scenario, coverage of allegations on Wikipedia becomes motivation to make allegations. Bad stuff. But anyway, like I said, WP:BLPN is a better place to ask. I'm not going to make too big of a fuss over it, but it's best to keep in mind that sinec that Seigenthaler incident led to the development of a stand-alone WP:BLP policy, it's been taken very seriously and often even trumps other policies and guidelines. Take that for whatever it's worth. &mdash; <span style="font-family:monospace, monospace;"> Rhododendrites <sup style="font-size:80%;">talk  \\ 00:44, 11 December 2015 (UTC)
 * You're right. I cleaned up my last comment here too FYI. :) I'll leave the other stuff be for now. I guess I needed to get it off my chest, because the urge isn't as strong anymore now that I told one person. Permstrump (talk) 00:51, 11 December 2015 (UTC)

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Kuffs is so underrated, it didn't even make it onto this top 25 list of the most underrated films of 1992. Now, all I need to do is find a blogger who liked it, and I can cite that to say that it got "universal acclaim", or, my favorite, "critical acclaim from critics". You can tell that it's good because it wasn't critically acclaimed by audiences – no, it was critically acclaimed by critics who were critical while acclaiming it critically. I bet you don't even believe that "critical acclaim by critics" has over 100 hits on Wikipedia. Want to get really depressed? Do a Google News search for it. NinjaRobotPirate (talk) 10:24, 12 December 2015 (UTC)

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Repeat AfD
You participated at Articles for deletion/Ashley Golebiewski (2nd nomination) earlier this year, an AfD that closed as keep. The article is now up for deletion again by the same editor at Articles for deletion/Ashley Golebiewski (3rd nomination). Your input as to whether or not consensus has changed will be appreciated. Alansohn (talk) 02:41, 15 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the heads up, by the way. Messy business. &mdash; <span style="font-family:monospace, monospace;"> Rhododendrites <sup style="font-size:80%;">talk  \\ 14:54, 17 December 2015 (UTC)

List of Medicine articles
Given your opinions expressed at Articles for deletion/List of Nursing articles I guess you might object to an AfD on this list from the same user. It's just as half-baked as the other, lacks any improvement since its creation, and adds nothing to the wiki that the category doesn't already provide in abundance. However, I thought I should at least offer you the courtesy of a heads-up and a chance to improve it. Regards, Bazj (talk) 13:33, 17 December 2015 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the heads up. That's a tough one. Medicine is a much bigger subject than nursing, so it would be a substantial project to build it into something reasonably useful (the current list probably encompasses about 1% of medicine-related articles).
 * But here's the thing. Indices are an explicitly acceptable form of list article. Their use is based on navigational utility, not notability (although the overarching topic would, I presume, have to be notable). What's more, there's a WikiProject about them (WikiProject Indexes and Portal:Contents/Indices, which is basically an outline of index pages to go along with the overall index of topics -- with a whole lot of red links that have to start somewhere. As incompleteness isn't a reason for deletion, it would be a hard case to make for AfD. That pains me to say, since this one is at such a level of incompleteness that I don't think it's doing anyone any good at this point. But you have to start somewhere, I guess.
 * There's a discussion from a few years back you might want to check out at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Indexes. They go into some of the justification for the type of page and the WikiProject. I get the impression there are not any strong rules about indices. But there are two things I think are important: First, all such articles should be named accordingly so as not to appear as anything other than a navigational aid. So I moved this one to index of medicine articles. Second, until such an index is very good, it shouldn't be linked to from anywhere other than the Contents page and other internal pages (like the Medicine WikiProject, say). I checked and this one isn't linked to from anywhere. If you want to pursue this one in particular, you might also mention it to the folks at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Medicine. It's a highly active project and people there might have strong opinions about this (i.e. there may be people willing to develop it and/or object to an inferior index representing an otherwise well-developed project/topic). I don't know. I may add to it if I'm in a particularly non-productive mood, but you can always find more of these articles -- and there won't always be someone available to improve them in a short time frame. &mdash; <span style="font-family:monospace, monospace;"> Rhododendrites <sup style="font-size:80%;">talk  \\ 14:52, 17 December 2015 (UTC)


 * Thanks. I've raised it at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Medicine. We'll see what they make of it. Bazj (talk) 15:39, 17 December 2015 (UTC)

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 * I'm afraid I have no idea what any of this means... As it doesn't look like you've made other edits from that IP I'm not sure if this is about an edit you or I have made or something altogether unrelated. &mdash; <span style="font-family:monospace, monospace;"> Rhododendrites <sup style="font-size:80%;">talk  \\ 21:22, 21 December 2015 (UTC)

commons:Category:Rocky Point Park (Rhode Island)
I'm guessing you had a good reason for changing that category name from the one I created, which was intended to harmonize with the English wikipedia article. Doesn't matter a whole lot to me, but just wanted to point out for future reference that there's a specific template for redirecting categories on commons, and that the commons link on the enwiki page should be updated when doing stuff like this. --Junkyardsparkle (talk) 04:47, 27 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the heads up about the template. It's true I somehow have not seen that. The likely reason, though, is because I do try to go repair all the links. I haven't yet because I only just renamed it about 20 minutes ago or so and I'm still working through some things. :) Will get there. As for the reason, it was just a matter of first looking at Category:Rocky Point Park and noticing it was a different Rocky Point Park without a parenthetical, then seeing the one I was looking for was at "Rocky Point Amusement Park". I looked through the various sources and materials I could find and came to the conclusion that "Rocky Point Park" (if not just "Rocky Point") was what the park was called in the overwhelming majority of sources. For something like this it doesn't seem like it makes sense to have one of the many parks called "Rocky Point Park" be a primary topic, so I created the parenthetical categories. Might as well note that I'm about to upload a few pictures and create another category called "Rocky Point State Park", which is what exists where the amusement park was (and is, as far as I know, the only one by that name). &mdash; <span style="font-family:monospace, monospace;"> Rhododendrites <sup style="font-size:80%;">talk  \\ 05:00, 27 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Yep, I'm all for disambig-by-default rather than silly conflicts over namespaces, and it wouldn't break my heart to see the enwiki article moved to match your changes, but I don't really get too involved in that kind of stuff. Incidentally, one reason for the redirect template (I think) is because categorization is a huge part of the workload on commons, and I suspect several of the tools that facilitate this make use of the semantic info provided by the template vs. a hardcoded redirect... just so my notice doesn't seem too pedantic. ;) --Junkyardsparkle (talk) 05:26, 27 December 2015 (UTC)
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