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Hi! Am not sure if you have notice it or not, but the annual editing competition WikiCup has started and the signup is open till 5 February 2017. The cup encourages content improvement and tries to make editing on Wikipedia more fun; and it did that for me last year. I have hence decided to drop this friendly note hoping that you would take part. Although the signup ends on 5th Feb, the earlier you sign in the earlier you start scoring. Happy New Year and Happy Editing! §§Dharmadhyaksha§§ {Talk / Edits} 05:08, 6 January 2017 (UTC)

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FYI: Filthy Frank/George Miller is back as. While charting meets WP:MUSICBIO, MUSICBIO only indicates that the subject may be notable. Since you've reviewed the subject before, do you think WP:GNG is satisfied? —&thinsp;JJMC89&thinsp; (T·C) 21:02, 12 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Charting on iTunes doesn't meet C2 (see WP:BADCHARTS -- specific retailers don't qualify, because they may have special advertising/promotion agreements with artists, etc. that may cause one's position to be inflated, etc.). That said, it's a decent indicator of notability. From what I recall, the main issue was that most of the coverage was related to the Harlem Shake (one event, and one which we already have an article for). Adding this, while I don't know what would happen at AfD, I'm inclined to think he would have a decent shot. YMMV. &mdash;  Rhododendrites talk  \\ 13:39, 17 January 2017 (UTC)
 * I was referring to Billboard 200, not iTunes. Thanks. —&thinsp;JJMC89&thinsp; (T·C) 15:00, 17 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Thanks for clarifying. I didn't notice the Billboard figure. That typically brings a pretty strong case for notability. I'll take a closer look if it's nominated but I'm inclined to think he's notable. No response needed -- I know I'm late with my reply. :) &mdash;  Rhododendrites talk  \\ 02:09, 24 January 2017 (UTC)

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It was very kind of you to leave that barnstar on my talkpage! Tony  (talk)  04:34, 20 January 2017 (UTC)

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re plurals
IMO this sort of thing is archaic now. In 1950 it was usual to write "Charles's pajamas", as Strunk & White suggested. By now this has passed by and people generally write "Charles' pajamas". It might be mirroring a a change in speech, dunno. Herostratus (talk) 07:53, 29 January 2017 (UTC)
 * I don't think it's archaic. I know the AP decided to omit the s in many cases, but that most recommend it (Oxford Dictionaries, Chicago Manual of Style, Purdue OWL, etc.). (Yes, "most" needs a cn tag). Our MOS just points to Apostrophe, which has this section that looks to make the case that 's is more or less the "traditional" way while various organizations have devised various exceptions/rules or, like the AP, mostly done away with it. If the foremost goal is clarity rather than saving an extra character, then as I see it, including the s is not going to make a sentence less clear, while omitting it might (albeit not often). Also, given how badly people abuse/misuse the apostrophe in cases of plurals and possessives, my preference is to err on the side of simple, predictable rules (singular possessive='s). But granted, it's not a grammatical absolute. &mdash;  Rhododendrites talk  \\ 15:49, 29 January 2017 (UTC)
 * OK, these are fair points. I looked for an internal style guide on this and didn't find one; guess we don't have one. The Apostrophe article doesn't bind us, but it's a data point. Here's my take: on the merits, I can see the point of "Charles's" being clearer than "Charles'", but on the hand people tend to say "Charles" rather than "Charleses" nowadays, and it seems to me that this being reflected more and more in the typography nowadays -- I think (not sure).


 * But merits aside, since we don't seem to have WP:MOS guidance on this, and since common usage seems to be split, I would tend not to favor changing existing instances. It's different if one is putting in new material that one wrote oneself, but changing existing instances is just roiling the text to change one person's opinion for another. My guess is that if a person were to go on a general crusade of changing sibilant-ending-singular possessives from apostrophe to apostrophe-s, there would be a discussion and the result would probably be "don't do that, leave them be". That's my guess. Since a general crusade would fail, it seems that doing it occasionally also is not called for. It's not a big deal either way. Herostratus (talk) 16:26, 29 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Ultimately this was a revert of a user whose only change was to remove the s from one of several instances on the page. Realistically, I would've reverted if they changed all of them, too, because, well, at very least it's not an improvement (a la ENGVAR/CITEVAR). Perhaps I worded my edit summary too unequivocally. I wouldn't be/haven't been inclined to change it where it's the established style/editorial decision by someone writing the article, as much as it may cause my eye to twitch a little. I'd be curious about how apostrophe use affects people whose first language is not English, and if one way makes more sense to them than another. Again, my preference is to simplify the rules of punctuation, but meh. &mdash;  Rhododendrites talk  \\ 16:45, 29 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Oh, OK, well that's different, nevermind. Herostratus (talk) 17:33, 29 January 2017 (UTC)

Thank you
I appreciate your concern for my wiki future. It is my intention to clean up a disrupted area while not causing a larger one. I do not issue the bans you are correct. Aspersions without evidence are indeed a bad thing. My warning to him will stand. Your edit here is a violation off her topic ban. I assume WP:goodfaith on your part so I will leave your revert. I assure you I am here to build an encyclopedia. again thank you for effort because I can not build one by myself. I work pretty slowly. There are others I will talk to in the next few days (no one on either side is completely innocent) but I hope that we can come together and end the disruption. J8079s (talk) 07:56, 1 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Cleaning up problems is a good thing. :) This sentence: "As a self declared [links] meatpuppet of a banned user you are topic banned from gun related articles" does sound as though you're issuing a topic ban. By all means if Felsic2 edited inappropriately, warn away, but the diffs you linked only showed that Felsic2 liked some of Lightbreather's work, not that he/she is a meatpuppet. So with regard to that sentence, as well as "Your edit here is a violation of her topic ban" -- one person's topic ban affects absolutely nobody else. I think the problem here may be a misunderstanding of wikijargon. "Block" is when an account can no longer edit at all. Lightbreather is indefinitely blocked. A "topic ban" is when a person's technical editing ability is unchanged but they are prohibited from editing particular subjects (or in a particular way) under penalty of being blocked. I don't know if Lightbreather has an active topic ban -- it's certainly possible, though that's like someone being on probation while in jail (in case they're released, I suppose?). Leaving a message for Lightbreather has no connection to her blocks/bans. It can be bad form to leave a message for a blocked user, especially if it's a negative one as they cannot respond, but at the same time nobody alleges that Lightbreather didn't also make good contributions in addition to the sorts of things that got her blocked, so a message simply saying as much does not seem inappropriate (and, again, is irrelevant to any blocks/bans she may have). &mdash; <span style="font-family:monospace, monospace;"> Rhododendrites <sup style="font-size:80%;">talk  \\ 14:18, 1 February 2017 (UTC)

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