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Clare Nasir article
Hi Rich. User:195.93.21.33 continues to vandalise Clare Nasir. I revert it, but maybe there's a bigger problem ? Bests. --- (Bob) Wikiklrsc 20:42, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for your kind reply, Rich, and help. I thought it might be the case of an AOL vandal, but was unsure positively. Cheers! --- (Bob) Wikiklrsc 12:36, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

Spelling
I'm sure this has been mentioned already, but "ISBN formatting problems &/or genreal fixes using AWB" (my emphasis)? Cheers --Pak21 17:29, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Thanks Rich Farmbrough 20:36 26 July 2006 (GMT).

Homelessness article vandalism
Hi Rich. Anonymous contributor, User:66.156.10.152 callously vandalised the Homelessness article, and I had a hard time fixing it since there were some legitimate changes since. It must have gone under the anti-vandalism bot's radar. Seems like a singular event for this contributor. I hope it stays that way. Bests. --- (Bob) Wikiklrsc 17:45, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

Lebanon
Please see Talk:Lebanon for discussion about an edit you made to the Lebanon article. - Mark 04:05, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

weaklypaedia
Hopiakuta 05:17, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

Responding to:

Hi

The picture you refer to is Image:Brothers Baptiste NIH.jpg.

You are correct that WP is biased towards The Western world Male interests Techno stuff English language subjects

On the first point you could look to Baidu Baike, on the fourth to 1 (etc). It is generally reckoned (by the "eventualists") that other subjects (than male and techno) will eventually catch up, and coverage is at least useful.

Perhaps you would like to write an article on Jeunes Agape to put this picture to better use.

Rgds, Rich Farmbrough 23:05 28 July 2006 (GMT).

Your list is:

Western world

Male interests

Techno stuff

English language subjects

Although these biases are bothersome, I have others on which I do obsess more, particularly regarding this photograph.

Please note that in the manner in which it had been presented, where I had originally seen it, on a "policy" page, they had been made to appear as each of:

vandals;

sockpuppets;

thieves;

communists;

others that I can't recall,...

Something seemed displaced, so, I looked closer.

I, suddenly, realized that they had been:

AfroAmerican;

twins;

disabled. None of the other [previous] categories seemed worthy.

I, therefore, felt that this would be confirmation that wiki, Mr. Wales, whatever, are:

handicappist;

antitwin;

racist.

Handicappism is a sort of racism directed @ oppressing disabled, opposing disability-access, enforcing bigotry, discrimination. Try asking politically-active disabled regarding the reaction to handicappist, handicappism.

Please note that it is not likely that these men even would know that we've written about them.

Please explain why you would encourage me to write on websites located in Walmart's favorite dictatorship??

?????????????????????????????????

That is just slightly Northeast of several of Exxon's preferred dictatorships.

As for scribing a better wikiarticle: well, I wrote one about racism. Naturally, it's deleted;

they've even denied me the historylog, repetitively.

It is not always simple to knock-over a wall.

Thank You,

DonFphrnqTaub Persina

Hopiakuta 05:17, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

Żagań.
Hello, Rich. Could you write an article about my city (Żagań) on Simple English Wikipedia? Kondzio1990 17:34, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Done, just for you. Rich Farmbrough 18:28 28 July 2006 (GMT).
 * Thank you very much. :-) Kondzio1990 11:02, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

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Hopiakuta 16:52, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

Dear Mr. Rich_Farmbrough,

user:Rich_Farmbrough,

Thank You.

You've given me partial success.

Finally.

As you can see, it's been more than a month ago that I had discovered this photograph:

< http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:71.102.31.67 >;

< http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:71.102.31.67 http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Jeunes_Agape&oldid=66503755 >;

< http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Long_term_abuse/The_Doppleganger&oldid=59341492 >.

It is, now, beginning to receive some of its deserved honor.

Excellent.

I do hope that if I would suggest edits, they would not be automatically deleted.

Also, now, are you willing to assist me to retrieve the content deleted where I had attempted to create a page to confront this issue??

Please??

How can we prevent this from recurring??

Well, thank you f/ what you've assisted w/ just now.

Thank You,

DonFphrnqTaub Persina

Hopiakuta 16:52, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

Hopiakuta 16:52, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

User copy of page
User:Hopiakuta/Racism here with history. Incidentally, if you leave a message on my talk page, I will see it, there's no need to leave it elsewhere. As to the location of WP, it is spread around the world, and people have copies of it everywhere, so theres no need to discriminate against it on the grounds of geography. You may be interested in the articles on Ableism and Disablism as well as. I'm not aware of any any work on twinism. On the matter of the use of the photograph, the page wasn't a policy page as such, and as you may know Teresa Knott removed the image as soon as she was aware of it. I don't think the poster intended it to be interpreted as a literal picture of the vandal - just two people where one was easy to confuse with the other. Similarly on the "female cyclist vandal" page a picture of a female cyclist does not imply that the the vandal is either a female or a cyclist, (although both are possible), that the kitten vandal is a kitten and so forth. Incidentally I was looking for a picture of paper dolls for the doppleganger page and found a GFDL one on Wikia. Regards, Rich Farmbrough 21:30 29 July 2006 (GMT).

Thank You very much.

This is the page that I want,

need:

< http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Hopiakuta/Racism&oldid=65242381 >.

"...if you leave a message on my talk page,..."

If I'd done more, it was to emphatically thank you, honor you f/ assisting me, in a way that others would know that you had come through.

Please do note that many others had not, even where they had suggested that they would.

As you can see from my page history, I only began, successful, comments a month ago. Ms. T. K. did alter the photograph; I am thankful. She did so subsequent to my posting various messages to pages where she had been posting. I believe that that is how she saw it.

I do suspect that that you've made the alterations that you've made subsequent to my messages.

If it was something else, that's okay; but, I do suspect that I'm correct.

Thank You f/ the references.

As f/ your explanation f/ the rampantly widespread racism, handicappism {handicappist}, bigotry, oppression, classism, bias,....

Please check on twentieth-century history:

Roughly half of racism in intentional.

Half is inadvertent.

Frequently, the solutions have actually compounded the original crime!! There are many such examples here.

&, as f/ kittens, if they would learn to typewrite, that would certainly alter this website.

Have you seen the pictures of President Vlad Putin's kitteny navel expedition [not "naval"]??

I do prefer "Tawny_Kitaen | Julie Kitaen".

I do know that we disagree on what the problem is; however, despite that, where may I present it, in a way that actual dialogue shall occur??

I've, already, presented it on many wikipages. I do need someplace better.

Thank You.

Hopiakuta 23:01, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

--Hopiakuta 23:01, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

AWB album fixes suggestion
Please consider adding the template redirect evasion (Album infobox → Infobox Album) to your settings. Jogers (talk) 09:23, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Added Rich Farmbrough 16:10 30 July 2006 (GMT).

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Articles for deletion/Bose Headphone Family
I know that you have worked on Bose related pages before and I was hoping that I could get you involved with the discussion here! Thanks -- UKPhoenix79 07:17, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

US as abbreviation for United States
I saw you've been botting US to U.S.—is this reflecting some new WP policy? I think the version with periods looks awful, and it would seem to fall under the dictum of "leave it the way the author wrote it" unless superseded by some other style rule. /blahedo (t) 05:28, 6 August 2006 (UTC)
 * The (very old) guidance can be found under Manual_of_Style:- When abbreviating United States, please use "U.S."; that is the more common style in that country. When referring to the United States in a long abbreviation (USA, USN, USAF), periods should not be used. When including the United States in a list of countries, do not abbreviate the "United States" (for example, "France and the United States", not "France and the U.S."). You can find detailed discussions on the talk page archive. Rich Farmbrough 09:34 6 August 2006 (GMT).

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Vandalism on Clare Nasir's article ... again
Hi Rich. User:195.93.21.33 vandalised Clare Nasir again. I reverted out the changes. Just to let you know. Thanks and Bests. --- (Bob) Wikiklrsc 21:46, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

Hi Rich. Anonymous contributors User:195.93.21.33 and User:195.93.21.67 et al., continue to put spurious material into Clare Nasir's article and her husband, Chris Hawkins. Annoyingly, quite frequently. Any ideas ? Or maybe I'm missing something obvious ! Bests. --- (Bob) Wikiklrsc 19:42, 9 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Hi Rich. Thanks. Umm ... I couldn't at all verify the cake bit or that Clare is leaving GMTV (I would really doubt that). It seemed fiddly, especially given other seemingly lewd article additions by anons to both Clare Nasir's article and her husband's, Chris Hawkins. Wasn't sure what to do. Whatever you feel is appropriate. Please give any guidance to me that you can, besides the common sense I might still possess. ;) I guess I could ask Chris, but that would be awkward given the nature of the additions. Bests and Thanks. --- (Bob) Wikiklrsc 22:04, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

Thanks, Rich, for all your help and guidance, as ever. Bests. --- (Bob) Wikiklrsc 22:17, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

WHA?
It seems you put in some very strange spam on the Slipknot (album) page. "Welcome to the Gerbil Cove"? Really.Schwarzes Nacht 13:00, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Try this diff . I've left a undefined. Rich Farmbrough 21:17 10 August 2006 (GMT).

WP:AWB and Yo-Yo Ma Plays Ennio Morricone
===>Issues While I appreciate you fixing redirects and taking out the unnecessary nowiki tags, your edit on the tracklisting to this album made the formatting much worse. Take a look. You may want to do more previews before saving or figure out some new formula for these tracklistings. -Justin (koavf), talk, mail 15:59, 30 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Thanks, I knew I'd got it wrong and was searching for the article (I was distracted on the way to edit it). There's also a mistake in one with some Morse code, that I meant to fix manually, and am now searching for.  I will find it... Thanks again. Rich Farmbrough 16:04 30  July 2006 (GMT).
 * found it Moving Pictures (album) Rich Farmbrough 18:08 30 July 2006 (GMT).

9/11 Wiki
Willy on Wheels has been spotted at the September 11 Wiki. I've reverted his moves, and am requesting that he is blocked. Thanks! timrem 21:06, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

Tracklist Fixes
Re: Fuhai no Koibito et al. Is hyphen now the official punctuation for separating track title from track length? I always thought it was mdash (three days ago I had a guy going through some pages I watch changing dash to mdash, so your edits come as kind of a surprise to me). I work on a lot of album pages and I'd like to know which symbol to use.

Coach Z Ale 21:56, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

No, it's ndash. See [Wikipedia:WikiProject_Albums#Track_listing]. rgds. Rich Farmbrough 22:00 10 August 2006 (GMT).

US vs U.S.
I appreciate that the American usage is "U.S." but Wikipedia convention is to use a common style within a page, and the page on transatlantic aircraft plot is written in the British usage (being a British event), so should use "US". I wouldn't be particularly bothered by this, except there are various paragraphs with "UK" and "U.S." in close proximity, and the mixed usage looks very odd. (And yes, I do realise that the general Wikipedia policy is in the opposite direction.) Bluap 14:20, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

Logarithmic convolution
Thank you for copying Logarithmic convolution, your help with WP:PMEX is appreciated. I have a remark though. It is good that when you copy things you put a bit more care in how accurately things are copied (1&ne; l), if LaTeX is properly formatted, and that the style correspond to existing Wikipedia conventions. I did some fixes which may illustrate better what I mean. You can reply here if you have comments. Cheers, Oleg Alexandrov (talk) 20:13, 12 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Thanks, I was mislead by the tex source . Rich Farmbrough 21:39 12  August 2006 (GMT).

Now That's What I Call Music
Rich, I think that the changes you are making to some of the Now That's What I Call Music entries are wrong, and not to the format described in Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Albums/Archive_6. If there is an update to this, please point me at it. -- Jbattersby 18:39, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
 * OK, I'll avoid them for now. Feel free to revert if  you like.  Having said that, the discussion at albums was inconclusive (as are a lot of discussions in that project - don't know why). Perhaps it's time to give some more thought to updating the guideline page?


 * Starting those articles makes you a kindred spirit, as I entered and corrected a lot of Now! track listings on the Free CDDB, may years ago. Rich Farmbrough 18:59 14 August 2006 (GMT).

International_Institute_of_Management
There's quite a debate on the deletion of this article and I've tried to verify what i could, change the tone a bit and weigh in to keep and improve. Could you look at what I've got there and see if the neutrality and verifiability tags are still needed? Also, if it merits keeping? As always, many thanks. Cheers,Your inclusionist pal in the U.S.--Beth Wellington 20:52, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for your comment on the tags. It was deleted, but I restored it. The article was likewise deleted. Oh well--Beth Wellington 15:31, 17 August 2006 (UTC)


 * No probs. My comment wasn't deleted, though. Rgds Rich Farmbrough 11:38 19  August 2006 (GMT).

External link -> external links
Could you please identify the additional link in the section which was named "external link" on the article Electoral district of Castle Hill? Thanks!Garrie 22:11, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Of course. It is this one:


 * Regards Rich Farmbrough 23:57 14 August 2006 (GMT).
 * Well that got me lmao. Garrie 00:12, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

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User:Rich Farmbrough/Club Penguin
Are you nominating your user subpage for deletion? If so, can you use the db-author or db-owner tags to be sure, please?  (aeropagitica)   (talk)   22:11, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
 * No, thanks, Just recreated a delete page for deletion review. Rich Farmbrough 22:32 15 August 2006 (GMT).

coor dms template and AWB
How did you set AWB to apply the coor dms template? --Shanedidona 14:36, 16 August 2006 (UTC)
 * 
 * However be careful it's not tested for the southern or eastern hemispheres. Rich Farmbrough 19:24 16 August 2006 (GMT).

Do I set that as a rule in AWB? --Shanedidona 19:39, 16 August 2006 (UTC)


 * You can paste it into the XML file, or put

(\d+)&deg;(\d+)'(\d+)"\s*(N|S)o(u|r)th,\s*(\d+)&deg;(\d+)'(\d+)"\s*(W|E)(est|ast)

in the left column and

°N, °W

in the right, tick the regex box. I did think of doing the radio masts with it. Rich Farmbrough 19:43 16 August 2006 (GMT).


 * Note you also want to change the "city" parameter to something more appropraite,, perhaps "landmark", I can't remember. Rich Farmbrough 19:44 16 August 2006 (GMT).

Linking years
I started de-linking years after I saw comments made by you to the effect that should be done, but there seems to be some dispute about this. I'm not an expert on MoS, and I wonder if you could add anything to the debate. It started on User talk:Harro5 and has continued on my talk page and on Rebecca's talk page. Tyrenius 05:12, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

ISBNs for Sutton Court
Thanks for pointing out the ISBN problems on Sutton Court. I think I've fixed tem all but would be grateful if yu'd check.&mdash; Rod talk 21:11, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
 * That was quick. I've hyphenated them.  They look fine. Rich Farmbrough 21:21 22  August 2006 (GMT).

Date links
Debate continues. Tyrenius 21:37, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

Mirabilis Media stub
Hello, made some modifications to the Mirabilis Media company stub. How can I complete the information on this company (shareholders, executives, etc?) and also wehn do we know it's not a stub anymore?

Best Regards.


 * Welcome to WP. I would suggest you ask for help on the Romanian WP, however there is a book called Who Owns Who that may help with corporate ownership. Rich Farmbrough 11:05 5  August 2006 (GMT).
 * (It's a judgement call when something ceases to be a stub.)
 * Thank you for your fast reply. I understand now that being or not a stub it's somewhow relative.


 * I can continue to edit that article, and I hope it would be accepted, as long as I am the owner of the company. My intention is to write three more chapters: history, internet properties (detailing the websites that company owns, and shareolders structure).


 * Best Regards.


 * OK, you should be aware of a few things:
 * There is a chance that the article may get deleted - see Guide to deletion.
 * The guideline Autobiography and policies WP:NPOV and Verifiability.
 * The Manual of Style WP:MOS (though this doesn't matter much, someone will bring the article into line)
 * That what you write is released under GFDL - and can be edited by anyone (see also WP:OWN).


 * Rich Farmbrough 15:00 5 August 2006 (UTC).

Long Island (Boston) v. Long Island, Massachusetts
Hi Rich. Question about nomenclature of articles. I basically made an article, for Long Island (Boston) using the form, "Long Island (Boston)" User:Halibut_Thyme changed this to Long Island, Massachusetts without discussion. None of the linking articles linking to it were changed. Any ideas ? I left a note on the contributor's page and no response so far: User_talk:Halibut_Thyme Bests and Thanks in advance. --- (Bob) Wikiklrsc 13:34, 13 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Aye, Rich, Boston is not only in America. There is the original St. BOtolph'S TOwN (Boston) in Lincolnshire . However, there may be a lot of Long Island's in Massachusetts, as well ! I didn't seed the original article: I just added a lot of material to it after research. It seems to have been a talking point 13 February 2006 in Talk:Enclave. Also, the article links to Long Island (Boston) were left pointing to a redirect instead of the new article. That should be fixed. Hmm. So you're recommending that the main article stay as Long Island, Massachusetts ? Bests and Thanks. --- (Bob) Wikiklrsc 19:21, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

Okay, Rich. Thanks for all the ideas. I am not sure of the statistical distribution of convention in WP for such an ambiguity. I will go all the way and make a 'Long Island, Boston, Massachusetts' article and move it all there. Okay ? And change the links. Ah, glad you're close to Lincs. Nice place. As I remember, Wikipedian Chris Horry (User:Zerbey --- notice in the photo Chris is wearing a NY Yankee baseball hat ... something which is anathema to a Boston, Massachusetts person ;)) is from the original Boston in Lincs ! Let me know that you agree with the move to the new article title. Thanks and Bests. --- (Bob) Wikiklrsc 21:28, 13 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Hi Rich. Done. Move to Long Island, Boston, Massachusetts. Some tidying left with links. --- (Bob) Wikiklrsc 21:02, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

Hi Rich. All done as far as I can see. It now is Long Island, Boston, Massachusetts. Bests. --- (Bob) Wikiklrsc 14:57, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

Hi. Unfortunately none of this discussion got recorded on the article's talk page. So I was blissfully unaware of it when I renamed Long Island, Boston, Massachusetts to Long Island (Massachusetts). If I'd known I would have discussed it first. Still I stand by my reasoning - please see Talk:Long Island (Massachusetts). -- Chris j wood 09:56, 28 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Hi Chris. I just wish I had known you were going to unilaterally do this. Oh well. The article should stay in one place now. It's been moved too often recently. I have given it as a reference to historians, scholars, and people at large. Bests. --- (Bob) Wikiklrsc 13:26, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

Miscellanea vs trivia
I noticed a couple recent edits of yours on album pages changing the Trivia sections to Miscellanea. What's the reasoning behind this? I didn't find anything with a few quick searches :\ ~Gertlex 05:25, 19 August 2006 (UTC)
 * The reason is that "Trivia" is information which is not really of use or interest. Ideally information that is of interest should be in the article body, information that is not should not be in the article at all.  Nonetheless miscellaneous useful information may need a section of it's own - calling that section "Trivia" invites the addition of facts such as "Harold Lloyd took more cream in his coffee making this film, than in the two previous films put together." You may well find a better name than I have used, if so, please change it and let me know. See also  Trivia. Rich Farmbrough 20:04 20  August 2006 (GMT).

SmackBot
Rich, your latested bot task request has been approved:. —  xaosflux  Talk 15:06, 19 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Thanks for letting me know. Rich Farmbrough 18:59 19 August 2006 (GMT).

"External links"
Rich, this may relate to SmackBot more than you, but Wiki standard practice is to always make the header "External links" (plural) even if there's only one external link today.

Atlant 00:18, 22 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Sadly even that is no consensus. Rich Farmbrough 06:47 22  August 2006 (GMT).


 * :-( . But thanks for letting me know!


 * Atlant 12:03, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

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Signing articles
Hi Rich. Contributor User_talk:Frank_J_Larkin did a nice job on the Moon Island and Hangman Island articles. He signed his name and town, "Frank J. Larkin Acton, MA" at the bottom of the article. I removed it and left a message on his discussion page. We don't sign articles as far as I know, right ? Bests. --- (Bob) Wikiklrsc 15:36, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

Theta Beta Potata
This article was first started by me and was deleted back in May '06. I was reading the punk house article and saw that the link for the TBP article was no longer red so I clicked on it and there was an article back up, started by another user. I dont know who started it because, it was deleted soon after I saw it. The decision made in the "Article for Deletion" debate should be reconsidered. The article is about a punk house not a fratenal organization. It seems that the debate, run by User:ChrisB and results were reported by User:Mailer Diablo. I will post this on their talk pages. This is the first time I have requested a deletion review so please let me know what else I need to do. If there is anything. I am on wikipedia frequently and I want to learn. Thanks. Xsxex 16:28, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

Clare Nasir article vandalism again
Rich, the moment someone lifted the protection on the Clare Nasir article, User:195.93.21.33 came right in immediately and vandalised it. Oh well. A shame. Bests. --- (Bob) Wikiklrsc 21:10, 23 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Thanks, Rich, for your kind attention. It is a bit frustrating. Cheers. --- (Bob) Wikiklrsc 21:17, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

I know it was not quite immediately, but it felt so, subjectively. Bests. --- (Bob) Wikiklrsc 21:22, 23 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Happened again, Rich, on 24th August. Vandalised by User:195.93.21.33, again, as is his habit. Reverted, but am at a loss. There are much more important things to do. *sigh* Bests. --- (Bob) Wikiklrsc 18:26, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

Thanks, Rich, as ever, for your kind help. Bests. --- (Bob) Wikiklrsc 18:35, 25 August 2006 (UTC)