User talk:Rich Farmbrough/Archive/2011 August

db realty
Hi, the information on the DB Realty page has been toned down, hope that works. The information on the page right now is linked to various media report. therefore request you to remove the advt and speedy deletion tag from it. Thanks.202.179.91.46 (talk) 09:57, 16 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Hi, thanks for your message, SmackBot does not generally add these kind of tags, but merely dates those that are already there. If you believe the issues have subsequently been addressed, it is perfectly OK to remove them. Regards, Rich Farmbrough, 20:37, 16 July 2011 (UTC).

Hubertine Heijermans
Thank you for the work you did on the article. I wonder why I do not see any change on the page ratings? It is also strange I do not get an answer on simple questions or a remark, as for instance I was glad to have found useful reverences, like a list of the Musée Jenisch, where a click is enough to consult the list of artists printmakers. Heijermans figures there. I asked whether it was sufficient material, as the warnings on top of the article remain. Hope you will help, if you can help. Greetings, Kalaharih--Kalaharih (talk) 13:53, 17 July 2011 (UTC)

Improper edits by Helpful Pixie Bot
Hi Rich! Could you please look at the two edits that Helpful Pixie Bot made in this edit? AWB removes date from Multiple issues, and Helpful Pixie Bot adds it back. Thanks! GoingBatty (talk) 05:06, 18 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Hi Rich - Helpful Pixie Bot is still dating Multiple issues: see this edit, for example. If the bot is using AWB, could it just use general fixes and WP:AWB/DT to determine which templates need to be dated?  Thanks!  GoingBatty (talk) 03:43, 25 July 2011 (UTC)

Hubertine Heijermans
Hello, many thanks you for your additions. I saw yesterday, that the Musée Jenisch in the town of Vevey has become by vote of a Swiss Organ responsible for regrouping museums of the country, that it has become a National museum. Unfortunately this triggered off the need to restore the building itself, so they closed in 2009 and will be closed until 2012. It makes a difference in this sense, that Musée Jenisch is no longer Cantonal or just of local interest. Regards, Kalaharih--Kalaharih (talk) 13:56, 18 July 2011 (UTC)
 * You are welcome, good luck with the work. Rich Farmbrough, 12:56, 20 July 2011 (UTC).

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question about SmackBot
please, what's the point for such "unreferenced marks" like this one?, for tv series episodes? what kind of references for what kind of information do you expect? thanks in advance for your next answer on this UT page 84.227.9.175 (talk) 07:18, 19 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Try, for example,


 * http://www.sonypictures.com/tv/shows/seinfeld/episode_guide/?sl=episode_search
 * Alternatively you could try any of the dozens of books on the subject.

Also there is no reason that the work itself cannot be cited. Rich Farmbrough, 10:58, 19 July 2011 (UTC).

Categories for discussion nomination of Category:Futura Records albums
Category:Futura Records albums, which you created, has been nominated for discussion. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the Categories for discussion page. Thank you. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 23:37, 3 August 2011 (UTC)

Monthly CfD categories
Please note the discussion at Categories for discussion/Log/2011 August 4. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 11:54, 4 August 2011 (UTC)

List of tephra layers
Hi!

Thanks for the message left by your User:Helpful Pixie Bot. The bot writes of 'first world'. This is a concept I am unfamiliar with. Is the bot referring to fairly recent time near the present geologically, a United States point of reference, or something else. The List of tephra layers is a relatively recent article creation that I will be expanding to go further into the past where there are radioactivity dates available and more around the world for extensive coverage, also where radioactivity dates exist. Is this what the bot is asking for, or is there something else?

I clicked on the WikiProject Countering systemic bias link, but did not find it helpful. A first impression is that the worldwide view being asked for is arealistic or unrealistic, but I may not be understanding. Marshallsumter (talk) 22:44, 25 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Hi Marshall, Rich's bot did not place the tag on the article, it only dated it. It was who placed the tag, so you would probably be best served to take the issue up with him. Best, Jenks24 (talk) 10:16, 26 July 2011 (UTC)

Please comment
Please comment again at Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(article_message_boxes). I have updated my answer considerably. It is unfortunate that discussion in that whole large section which discussed so many important additions to the template was restricted to two people mainly. Debresser (talk) 13:28, 26 July 2011 (UTC)

Very impressed by your helpful pixie bot
So I took to adding a date to tags to stop the smackbot from adding more edits and mucking up "(top)" markings in edit histories. So you brought in a "helpful pixie bot" that is clearly entirely helpful and undeniable relevant by... adding edits to ensure capitalisation of the date tag.

I'm impressed. In fact I'm so impressed that I will no longer add any date or other tags and let the bleeding bots sort out the mess. What, no quad-tilde-sig? No, some bot will do it for me. Might as well use that "service" since if I do it myself some hitherto unbeknownst to me other bot will find fault with what I do anyway.

One for your quotes file: "The question is, which is to be master — that's all." — Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.159.106.88 (talk) 15:41, 6 August 2011 (UTC)


 * Answered on user talkpage. Although this might be a registered user editing without logging in. Debresser (talk) 20:02, 7 August 2011 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Boulevard Records
== Proposed deletion of Boulevard Records ==

The article Boulevard Records has been proposed for deletion&#32; because of the following concern: (1) will, if is removed prior to deletion, defer carrying them out until the deadline set by this ProD, and (2) if at least two WP articles disambiguated from each other by this Dab are in existence upon arrival of the deadline, will lack cause to carry out the Speedy.'''
 * '''Carrying out the Dab-CU that has been requested would render the Dab page subject to Speedy deletion via . As to such CU & Speedy, the undersigned nominator

While all contributions to Wikipedia are appreciated, content or articles may be deleted for any of several reasons.

You may prevent the proposed deletion by removing the notice, but please explain why in your edit summary or on the article's talk page.

Please consider improving the article to address the issues raised. Removing will stop the proposed deletion process, but other deletion processes exist. In particular, the speedy deletion process can result in deletion without discussion, and articles for deletion allows discussion to reach consensus for deletion. Jerzy•t 05:50, 10 August 2011 (UTC)

Whhaaa? That was you?! This feels like a classic ignoring by me of DTR! (Tho DTR seems to me to implicitly avoid including this mandated and non-griping template -- as it IMO should.) Perhaps it was a rescue attempt by you, and a mutual colleague not shown in the history deserves notification? --Jerzy•t 05:50, 10 August 2011 (UTC)


 * I'm confused here. There are two Boulevard Records labels (at least), and we mention both of them. It seems important that people know they are not the same company. Looking at the template your refer to I see that it states that a dab page that does not point to other pages is a speedy candidate. How yet another class of pages got into speedy land, is a mystery.  The page disambiguates the term, if it should happen to link to articles of the name that is cool too. Rich Farmbrough, 11:13, 10 August 2011 (UTC).


 * OK reading {db-diambig} more carefully, it is not applicable because the page is not ed. Rich Farmbrough, 11:16, 10 August 2011 (UTC).

"Orphan" muddies the water, bcz our standard use means "page to which few or no articles link", not a collection of pointers to nowhere. In fact, "orphan" denotes an opportunity to increase an article's accessibility, and thus value, by adding links to it, not a deletable article. What Db-disambig is about is that WP is a 'pedia, and while WP Dabs among articles, it is dictionaries and glossaries that Dab among terms. And it's about a Dab that can't lead anyone to encyclopedic info being able only to waste user's time on pursuing false promises. Prima facie, (at least) two of the entries are not retainable, per DabRL. What optimism i was allowing for is that someone might have in mind existing red-lks, and existing WP info, for at least two of the entries. --Jerzy•t 02:21, 11 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks for taking this time.

--Jerzy•t 02:26, 11 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Oh, and with only one entry left, that CSD will apply.


 * OK let's look at this carefully:
 * With the dab page:
 * Users will find a simple fact about the record label, that enables them to understand the nature of the label.
 * Users will not believe (mistakenly) that the same label released for "The Chuckles"  as released for "Tapps".
 * Users will be able to create articles on any of the three record labels.
 * Without it
 * Users will find no information about any of record labels.
 * Users might believe (mistakenly) that the same label released for "The Chuckles"  as released for "Tapps".
 * Users who to create articles on any of the three record labels might easily include wrong or misleading information.
 * Rich Farmbrough, 15:12, 11 August 2011 (UTC).


 * And incidentally, the dab page did follow the rules under read links:
 * Unlink the entry word but still keep a blue link in the description. Red links should not be the only link in a given entry; link also to an existing article, so that a reader (as opposed to a contributing editor) will have somewhere to navigate to for additional information. The linked article should contain some meaningful information about the term.
 * All the best, Rich Farmbrough, 15:16, 11 August 2011 (UTC).

--Jerzy•t 03:55, 12 August 2011 (UTC)
 * I think we've each made our respective approach clear. I'm posting a copy of this at Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style (disambiguation pages) for fresh input.


 * OK cool. Rich Farmbrough, 19:00, 12 August 2011 (UTC).

For your collection
Reverted vandalism after 2 years. -- Magioladitis (talk) 22:37, 5 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks, added. Rich Farmbrough, 20:50, 8 August 2011 (UTC).

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Pixiebot: wait before doing automated edits
Hi,

When your bot adds a date to tags such as, it breaks some of MediaWiki's binary mechanisms for indicating when a page has been modified. MediaWiki has these mechanisms so that editors can review subsequent changes. Obviously, no one will want to review the addition of a date to a meta tag, but your edit triggers MediaWiki's notifications all the same. Your bot thus causes editors to be notified about a dud edit of no interest, and since the notification mechanism is binary (page subsequently edited: 1|0), the editor then doesn't get any notification when a real edit is made to the page.

Given the job of your bot, there's no necessity for those edits to be made immediately. If your bot checked edits from 7 days ago, instead of edits made today, then it could do it's job equally well and wouldn't be interfering with Wikipedia's contributors. Or your bot could check edits as they happen, but instead of editing immediately, it could build a log of articles to revisit after seven days for whatever tweaks are necessary.

I hope I've explained the problem well. Gronky (talk) 22:24, 15 July 2011 (UTC)


 * I agree. Gronky's suggestion would help to reduce the irritation when it's done with a template that doesn't even document that it has a date parameter (such as Use American English, for which the date hardly matters much anyway). It would also help to work around the bug mentioned in the previous section. --Stfg (talk) 22:41, 15 July 2011 (UTC)
 * I think a fix to the notification mechanism would be better, to ignore bot edits. Rich Farmbrough, 20:32, 16 July 2011 (UTC).


 * An even better solution. Debresser (talk) 20:47, 16 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Ok, but what do we do while waiting for the system guys to look into that? (It might take a year, or maybe it will be rejected and never happen.)  Disabling Pixiebot would completely solve the problem, but Pixiebot does good work.  My seven-day-delay idea solve the problem to a pretty high degree, and keeps Pixiebot active.  What do you think? Gronky (talk) 23:18, 16 July 2011 (UTC)
 * I have put a temporary fix in, see how it works for you. Rich Farmbrough, 14:39, 17 July 2011 (UTC).


 * Could you say what the change is? (A link to the source code diff would probably suffice, thanks.) Gronky (talk) 21:24, 17 July 2011 (UTC)

Wikimedia Stories Project
My name is Victor Grigas and I'm a Storyteller at the Wikimedia Foundation. We're exploring new ways to explain why Wikipedia is so special and we’ve started a Wikipedia Stories Project, where we’re chronicling the inspiring stories of the Wikipedia community, especially editors and active contributors in the movement like you. I'll be traveling to Wikimania next month to collect stories for our 2011 Fundraiser. While there I'd love the chance to meet with you and hear your thoughts about Wikipedia. We’ll have a schedule of available times for you to sign up if you’re interested, but right now, we’d like to make the initial contact to gauge your interest. Please let me know by emailing me at vgrigas@wikimedia.org or responding on my talk page.

thank you,

Victor Grigas (talk) 00:00, 21 July 2011 (UTC)
 * ✅ Answered on user's talk page. Rich Farmbrough, 15:07, 21 July 2011 (UTC).


 * Hi!

Thank you for getting back to me so promptly! We're going to have 45 minute time slots available to us at Wikimania, so scheduling will be key. At your earliest convenience, I'd like to have a chat over the phone or over Skype to go over the topics we will discuss in the interview. After that we can schedule our time in Haifa. If you have any questions, feel free to contact me.

See you in Haifa!

Victor Grigas vgrigas@wikimedia.org Skype: victorgrigas user:victorgrigas User:victorgrigas, 16:07, 21 July 2011 (UTC). — Preceding unsigned comment added by Vgrigas (talk • contribs)


 * This attempt to meet was an epic fail. Rich Farmbrough, 15:50, 14 August 2011 (UTC).

Femtobot request
Hi, I've got a maintenance template dablinks that adds articles to the category Category:Pages with excessive dablinks. It has a date parameter, and I'd also like to have categories such as Category:Pages with excessive dablinks from July 2011 - but don't want to have to manage the categories manually. If I did alter the template to add it to dated categories (using DMCA, probably), would it be possible to have your bot create/delete the necessary dated categories? Thanks, -- Ja Ga  talk 20:08, 22 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Yes it's easy enough. Rich Farmbrough, 20:11, 22 July 2011 (UTC).


 * ✅Rich Farmbrough, 22:26, 22 July 2011 (UTC).


 * Thanks much for all the organization work and cleanup. I appreciate your help. Cheers, -- Ja Ga  talk 08:15, 25 July 2011 (UTC)


 * That was #100 in List of monthly maintenance categories given month. Debresser (talk) 10:37, 25 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Btw, you might want to get familiar with the two simplifications in this edit, using functions of Ambox. Debresser (talk) 10:46, 25 July 2011 (UTC)

IP editor vandal on the loose
Hi there. Would you have time to please look into this issue? This IP editor, using different IP addresses, is adamantly vandalising BLP articles. Thank you. Amsaim (talk) 08:58, 6 August 2011 (UTC)
 * I think -
 * ✅ Answered on user's talk page. Rich Farmbrough, 15:47, 14 August 2011 (UTC).

Scotland
Rich can you add the relative maps to Category:Populated places in Sutherland and Category:Populated places in Ross and Cromarty? I'd rather not do it manually!...♦ Dr. Blofeld  11:51, 8 March 2011 (UTC)

Also can you go through the mountains/volcanoes and possibly national parks of the following countries and change the pin maps in the infoboxes and add relief on the end of the pushpin countries. I've created new relief maps of Iceland, Latvia, Norway, Belarus, Lithuania, Argentina, Brazil, Chile, Honduras, and Bulgaria. We want the fabulous Template:location map Iceland relief etc to feature in such articles like this.. ♦ Dr. Blofeld  13:49, 8 March 2011 (UTC)

Oh, are you on a wikibreak or something? You've been relatively quiet of late.♦ Dr. Blofeld  13:54, 8 March 2011 (UTC)

Eh?♦ Dr. Blofeld  18:47, 8 March 2011 (UTC)

Yeah I know what you mean. Nobody thanks you for all of the good work you do and the moment you do something which they see as "controversial" or causing a minor problem they blow it into something massive, spout off negative comments at you as if you are some sort of annoying little vandal and then try to strictly control your freedom to edit and in doing so violate one of the core principles of wikipedia. You can think "well ignore the bastards" but then they start trying to threaten you with blocking or whatever if you don't listen and in doing so can cause an even bigger hash of the situation than any problem you had ever caused. I'm sure I saw you "reported" somewhere, an arb report or something or other, perhaps that's what's really bugging you. Not sure what its about but I personally think that people trying to impose bureacratic control over editors is one of the biggest issues on wikipedia at the moment. We need editors to have freedom and to work in good faith.♦ Dr. Blofeld  19:05, 8 March 2011 (UTC)

Well, sometimes WP:BOLD should be taken more seriously. Unfortunately the most prolific editors seem to come across opposition from time to time, I mean I was being bold and acting in good faith with my Australian template merger proposals a while back and I got a major grilling over it. Editing Djibouti roads for instance is unlikely to attract any moaning minnies but if say I mass removed nav boxes from places in some American city or Aussie county or something it would likely kick up a storm. I think its maybe because you've covered more articles on wikipedia that anybody in its history so from time to time you are undoubtedly going to to attract some unwanted attention I think by people who disagree with the edits.. Above all though its the lack of good faith and branding you as a vandal which is the most hurtful and zapping your motivation to edit. The bureacrat owes you an apology as his failure to recognise good faith edits is seriously concerning.

How are your bot coding skills from other websites? Because we could sure use your bot to create listed of British Listed buildings.♦ Dr. Blofeld  21:33, 8 March 2011 (UTC)

Are place names and coordinates copyrightable?♦ Dr. Blofeld  21:50, 8 March 2011 (UTC)


 * Certainly not in the US - well to be more accurate a list isn't, provided there's no creative content. So I've Been Everywhere Man is, but the one we are talking about isn't. And I think we would be on fairly safe ground if we drive it off the EH site.  They are, after all proclaiming it.  Rich Farmbrough, 21:55, 8 March 2011 (UTC).

Names of places and coordinates would be fine to start with I think... I really need AWB help!!.♦ Dr. Blofeld  22:00, 8 March 2011 (UTC)

Have you had your AWB tools stripped or something?♦ Dr. Blofeld  22:13, 8 March 2011 (UTC)

Can you do the requests when you have a moment? P.s. I'm getting a lot of city maps onto wikipedi using OSM. I could use some help at one point to set up a list of cities or something and to keep track of which maps we have and which we don't. ♦ Dr. Blofeld  22:38, 8 March 2011 (UTC)

Well I was thinking of some sub pages of WP:Geography or something in which I can list all of the city maps we have on wikipedia, kind of like User:Nilfanion has in the commons keeping track of what he's uploaded. I think I'd start with capital cities but then branch out into say the top 20 or so cities and towns of each country. Just creating Template:Location map Libya Tripoli Old City for instance...♦ Dr. Blofeld  22:44, 8 March 2011 (UTC)

Is there somebody else who can get these things done?♦ Dr. Blofeld  22:39, 9 March 2011 (UTC)

Can you help or not??♦ Dr. Blofeld  19:45, 17 March 2011 (UTC)

Categories for discussion nomination of Category:Time Records albums
Category:Time Records albums, which you created, has been nominated for discussion. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the Categories for discussion page. Thank you. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 19:16, 21 July 2011 (UTC)

Hubertine Heijermans
About National papers in Switzerland, I confirm that the following on the official website are the papers considered Cantonal, in french, the German part has its own. A National newspaper does not exist. Bankrupcy or change of names mean a big change of a newspaper and it becoming smaller or more local. l'Est Vaudois and the 24 Heures in the 1970s-1990s were the biggest Swiss Cantonal newspapers. On the website 4 are not local: the article of a well-known journalist and artcritic Dominique Vollichard ( D.V.) Qui expose s'expose (24 Heures) in 1973, the one in the Delftsche Courant Galerie De Fiets, 1970. This paper was merged with the The Hague newspaper, a National Dutch paper. The Swiss Cantonal Est-Vaudois, 1994, De Saint-Triphon à Singapour. The Singapore Straits Times in 1994 about the Nancy Roach Gallery. In SIKART Zürich (ref.) I found under exhibits under exhibits search, on the name Heijermans-Tellander the last exhibit in Aubonne (near Lausanne) in 2004. Kalaharih--Kalaharih (talk) 22:25, 21 July 2011 (UTC)

Image filters and categories
I've replied at Talk:Image filter referendum/en. --213.168.119.238 (talk) 17:15, 18 August 2011 (UTC)

Categories for discussion nomination of Category:Articles containing Sanskrit language text
Category:Articles containing Sanskrit language text, which you created, has been nominated for discussion. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the Categories for discussion page. Thank you. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 18:45, 18 August 2011 (UTC)

Articles with ibid
Does anything populate Category:Articles with ibid? What is this category for, precisely? Debresser (talk) 12:20, 2 August 2011 (UTC)
 * If I may answer this one: Template:Ibid states: "If no date is given, articles will be added to the more general Category:Articles with ibid, until a robot adds the date." GoingBatty (talk) 16:59, 2 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Interesting. This template is in use, but the categories are all empty. I'll look into this tonight, and fix it. Debresser (talk) 17:06, 2 August 2011 (UTC)
 * It is because of a mistake Rich made in his last edit to this template. Ambox does not take a "cat-date" but does the same with "cat" and "date". He made this mistake in another template also. This template is fully protected, so if Rich or any admin could please change cat-date to just cat. Debresser (talk) 17:09, 2 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Yes I remembered that mistake after you spotted it in the other template. BUt I am worriede there might be a third. Rich Farmbrough, 18:04, 2 August 2011 (UTC).


 * If there is, we'll find it as well. Debresser (talk) 18:08, 2 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Isn't this issue fixed and closed? Debresser (talk) 02:44, 21 August 2011 (UTC)
 * I suppose. Rich Farmbrough, 15:24, 21 August 2011 (UTC).

Jerusalem

 * Ok. Did you get my e-mail? I am Friday-Saturday (and perhaps also Sunday) in Haifa, for business of my own. But would be thrilled to meet you (and others, of course). My phone number is in that mail. Debresser (talk) 18:33, 2 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Yes, that would be good. I have to sort my schedule out. Rich Farmbrough, 18:49, 2 August 2011 (UTC).


 * Very well. You sort it out. Then just let me know. Of course it would be nice to have an hour or so at our disposal, to sit down and have a drink somewhere. But just shaking hands and exchange a few words will also do. :) Give me a call or a text-message to let me know what and when would be convenient for you. Debresser (talk) 19:08, 2 August 2011 (UTC)


 * Unfortunately, I didn't have Internet access these days. For which reason I gave my cellular number. It is mind-boggling that we actually stayed in the same hotel for three days, and didn't meet. I was there as the rabbi, accompanying a group of 40 youngsters from Russia on a tour of Israel. Debresser (talk) 10:31, 7 August 2011 (UTC)


 * I live in Jerusalem. If you took the tour, or are staying along on your own, we could still meet. Debresser (talk) 10:32, 7 August 2011 (UTC)

Hubertine Heijermans
Hello Rich Farmbrough,

I hope you did read what has happened lately. But in case you did not I tell you now. At the moment I do my best to explain an unfortunate complication about the article we so much worked on. In fact I was more or less obliged to continue the work done by Paldopaldino, because of the schedules in his work as a steward. He asked me to do the last part myself. But as I always wrote as Kalaharih it was hard for me, as it started to look like an autobiography. But in reality, the main reason was that FRANCE eliminated the french article by Paldopaldino, and created a void. As I am Dutch I tried a small article in Dutch, but where I live people speak french. A few do master english, and my teachers were all Americans. Anyway, it is clear now that I am the same person as Kalaharih. And I did not know that the young man that helped me and for instance created the official website, made wikipedia mistakes with the copyrights, as he send messages saying the source was his own. That is why nobody believes, I am not 2 persons. I am old, and the website was a gesture of thanks for all my life's work from the Commune Ollon. One can find on Internet Ollon the same site they offered me. I have not the money to create a beautiful site like that. I just write this that it all was due to circumstances, that made that this young man, who has the job of flying in airplanes, was all the time absent and could not cope with the work since end of april, and he was afraid I would have problems if I wrote about myself. Therefore I had little choice, I would only like to do my best to reassure people like you that the article was done in an honest way. And I hope the work was not done for nothing as there is no intention of me nor Paldopaldino of publicity. The french article was already in short what the content was of a book written and edited by Mr. Pierre Alain Genillard in 2009, which he interviewed me for during 2008. This book is in fact at the origine of the official website (in french and in english). With greetings Kalaharih--Kalaharih (talk) 12:27, 6 August 2011 (UTC)

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Country houses
Hi Rich. Rosie recently created Category:Country houses in the United Kingdom and Category:Country houses in England and Category:Manor houses in the United Kingdom. What I need is to merge manor houses into country houses category and then for you to go through the sub cats in Category:Houses in England, Wales, Scotland and N. Ireland by county and add this country house category. You'll find the vast majority will indeed be country houses so you can simply categorize them all. What I want is this category eventually to hold all country houses in England, and then the same with Wales, Scotland etc. Some time I will create a List of country houses in England which will attempt to list all country houses, manors, halls, stately homes etc and can route out the missing articles. But if you could fill this new category with anything which ends in Hall, Manor or House this would be of great help.♦ Dr. Blofeld  16:23, 6 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Hm, merging is a matter for CfD, I confess to finding this categorisation confusing and unclear - in real world terms as well as WP terms. For example Grovelands House was a country house when it was built, but would not be described as such today. Manor houses would be fairly well defined, although I suspect there would be some Foo Manors that are not manorial houses. Denbiegh Hall is (or was) a fairly modest residence, would we still classify it as a hall? Rich Farmbrough, some time in July 2011 (UTC).

Small question
Which template adds Category:Wikipedia maintenance categories with missing months? Debresser (talk) 10:25, 25 July 2011 (UTC)


 * Ok, found it. Template:DeletedMonths/month. Debresser (talk) 10:27, 25 July 2011 (UTC)


 * I asked, because I found Template:WMCSBM1 and a few other templates in that category. Finding a template in a category of categories was what led me to think that perhaps you should add something like  to the code of Template:DeletedMonths/month. Debresser (talk) 12:37, 25 July 2011 (UTC)


 * I made the change I proposed, and the templates are gone. So that part seems to have worked. I hope there are no other aversive effects? Debresser (talk) 12:45, 25 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Looks good. Rich Farmbrough, 08:09, 22 August 2011 (UTC).

Some maintenance
At the moment Monthly maintenance category is, as you call it, a near-synonym to Monthly clean-up category. I found 15 monthly categories using it. All these 15 categories were "Use" categories (like Use dmy dates, or Use Indian English). I agree that these are maintenance categories, rather than clean-up categories. Nevertheless I think that when the time comes to use Monthly maintenance category, that should be done uniformly to all monthly categories of a parent category and in all relevant parent categories. Since the 15 I found are clearly a very tiny minority, and even in their own parent categories the usage of Monthly maintenance category wasn't uniformly, I have replaced these instances by Monthly clean-up category.

With an eye on the future, I'd like to point out that when this time comes, I could image that there might be some parent categories of arguable status, I mean, whether they are just general maintenance categories, or specifically clean-up categories. In any case I'd appreciate it if you'd inform me of such a decision.

I have rephrased your "near-synonym" phrase in a way which I think is more correct. I hope you don't mind. Debresser (talk) 12:36, 25 July 2011 (UTC)
 * I used that phrase because it is user documentation. It would still apply whether the template was called or the core part was called or a clone template was made. It doesn't greatly matter.  Rich Farmbrough, 11:13, 26 July 2011 (UTC).

Jeffrey Catherine Jones
Rich, either you or your bot placed an Inline Citation and an NPOV tag on this page. The page has citations for most everything there. The NPOV issues were from 2007. But the page has been heavily edited, especially since the subject's death, and it's arrived at a consensus that there are no longer any NPOV issues to it. The recent mention of NPOV in the talk page was concerning a user's comment, not the page itself. I left a note there asking if anyone saw reason for the tags to remain and there have been no responses. If you have a specific reasoning, let me know and we'll try to address it. Otherwise I'll remove the tags soon. If it was the bot's misreading, then please disregard. MichaelNetzer (talk) 11:09, 4 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Hi, it's User:Rms125a@hotmail.com that placed the tags, the bot mere;ly dated them. regards, Rich Farmbrough, 13:09, 4 August 2011 (UTC).


 * Much appreciated and best wishes. MichaelNetzer (talk) 13:42, 4 August 2011 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Henry Manners Chichester


The article Henry Manners Chichester has been proposed for deletion&#32; because of the following concern:
 * Fails GNG

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Template:Use British English progress
I might have done something wrong when I copied over the template for this. I just noticed the total is zero although many months are not. Your help to sort this out would be appreciated. Regards, -- Ohconfucius ¡digame! 04:03, 11 August 2011 (UTC)
 * The problem was a previous edit by User:Mclay1, with whom I have an ax to grind btw. Undid part of his edit, and all is fine now. You might want to point him to his mistake. Thanks for the catch. Debresser (talk) 07:40, 11 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Isn't this issue fixed and closed? Debresser (talk) 02:47, 21 August 2011 (UTC)

About prose
Hello, I help out with the Moxie Girlz article. I am still new to Wikipedia in terms of editing. I don't understand the two templates that were added at the top of the page.

When it comes to reference the only one missing is the direct designer... it is assumed to be the owner of MGA. Unicogirl (talk) 16:38, 16 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Probably worth discussing this with User:DreamGuy who added the templates. The part about prose is to some extent a matter of taste, but a little more prose is generally a god thing. Certainly some parts are unexplained. What is the "Message"? Is it on every Moxie Girlz box? In some  Moxie Girlz comic?  etc. Why is there a dictionary definition? If you have never seen Moxie Girlz some of these things need context.
 * As to references, well, add what you can. For example there's talk of a lawsuit by Mattel (I think it was), certainly I would expect to see a reference there.
 * All the best, Rich Farmbrough, 17:17, 16 August 2011 (UTC).


 * Thanks for the reply. Since the article was typed previously and edited numerous times and vandalize, most of the news was removed. I'll try to find an article about it. And yes, the message comes from the official site and box art. Unicogirl (talk) 03:07, 21 August 2011 (UTC)

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Speedy deletion nomination of John Shipp (soldier)


A tag has been placed on John Shipp (soldier) requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done because the article, which appears to be about a real person, individual animal(s), an organization (band, club, company, etc.), or web content, does not indicate how or why the subject of the article is important or significant: that is, why an article about it should be included in an encyclopedia. Under the criteria for speedy deletion, articles that do not indicate the subject's importance or significance may be deleted at any time. Please see the guidelines for what is generally accepted as notable.

If you can assert the notability of the subject,. Clicking that button will take you to the talk page where you will find a pre-formatted place for you to explain why you believe the page should not be deleted. You can also visit |the article's talk page directly to give your reasons, but be aware that once tagged for speedy deletion, if the article meets the criterion, it may be deleted without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag yourself. You may freely add information to the article that would confirm the subject's notability under Wikipedia guidelines.

See the guidelines for specific types of articles: biographies, websites, bands, or companies. TomStar81 (Talk) 19:38, 24 August 2011 (UTC)
 * At the time I judged the article to be outside the scope of what milhist considers a notable soldier, so I put the article up for deletion on csd-a7 grounds. As a rule, I tag for csd quickly with bio articles but with everything else I am usually more cautious. Why do you ask? 75.31.187.242 (talk) 04:22, 25 August 2011 (UTC)
 * I did check his notability, and he failed all nine points of milhist 's personnel notability guidelines. The only reason I have not yet nominated the soldier for deletion is because I am waiting for the article to shape up some so that I can claim in good faith that the current article's composition is as good as its going to get. TomStar81 (Talk) 20:49, 25 August 2011 (UTC)

count discrepancies
Rich, I have just realised that there are inconsistencies at Category:Use dmy dates. If we look at the subtotals generated by Use dmy dates progress, some of the numbers don't match their respective month sub-categories. There are small differences for most months, but the difference is particularly large (some 250+ articles) for August 2011. This is all a bit confusing. What could be the reason? -- Ohconfucius ¡digame! 09:00, 26 August 2011 (UTC)
 * I refreshed it, and it's OK now. It seems that merely clearing the browser cache doesn't do the trick. -- Ohconfucius ¡digame! 09:04, 26 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Yes, it has to be re-rendered at the server side I suppose. Rich Farmbrough, 14:00, 27 August 2011 (UTC).

I have a question about bots.
Rich, this is probably a dumb question, but how do bots work? Are they autonomous? Are they AI? Your bot found a tag I'd put up on an article and then edited the article to add a date to the tag, all within a couple of minutes. And in all probability you were not even aware it was doing it. How? Is there any Idiot's Guide to Bots out there? Any Bot Programming Guide? Thanks. Trilobitealive (talk) 04:08, 27 August 2011 (UTC)
 * They are generally autonomous to some extent. For example my bot monitors certain categories, and fixes up the articles in them, if it succeeds the article will no longer be in the category. Other bots monitor Special:Recent changes which is available over IRC, or are run daily or weekly by their owners, or on request. The main classes of bots are ones based on WP:AWB  (which is a quick way of getting some task up and running), pywikipedia bots, based on a Python framework, and stand-alone bots which generally seem to be Perl or Python.  Most bots use the WP:API for a lot of their work. Most bots wouldn't be classed as AI by most people, I'm not so sure however.  There are guides to  AWB, Pywikipedia, and the API, also some bot code is published (Anomie's Perl code is, for example, and is high quality code) as are the source for pywikipedia and AWB. Rich Farmbrough, 14:11, 27 August 2011 (UTC).


 * Thanks, Rich. Reading WP:AWB and WP:API will keep me busy for a while.Trilobitealive (talk) 14:52, 27 August 2011 (UTC)

Nomination for deletion of Template:Reverse6
Template:Reverse6 has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for discussion page. --19:52, 27 August 2011 (UTC)JetBlast (talk)

On links by user "Patriotledger" and subsequent items
Hi Rich. Albeit a seeming post mortem, might you have a look at this and proffer an opinion?: Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents. Best Wishes. --- (Bob) Wikiklrsc (talk) 20:14, 27 August 2011 (UTC)

Thanks, Rich, for having a look. --- (Bob) Wikiklrsc (talk) 21:47, 27 August 2011 (UTC)

Albany (town), Wisconsin (disambiguation) listed at Redirects for discussion
An editor has asked for a discussion to address the redirect Albany (town), Wisconsin (disambiguation). Since you had some involvement with the Albany (town), Wisconsin (disambiguation) redirect, you might want to participate in the redirect discussion (if you have not already done so). –Drilnoth (T/C) 22:18, 27 August 2011 (UTC)

Bot edit summaries
I took a look at some of your bots (I'm thinking HelpfulPixieBot) and it seems to me that its edit summaries could be vastly improved. See Bot owners' noticeboard for suggestions. Headbomb {talk / contribs / physics / books} 20:21, 21 August 2011 (UTC)
 * I already commented there. Rich Farmbrough, 20:25, 21 August 2011 (UTC).

bot speed
can you slow down the bot to some 15 mins from last edit as we edit conflict a lot.?

ps- what happened to smackbot?(Lihaas (talk) 14:47, 30 July 2011 (UTC)).
 * Done. Various people thought the name might be construed as unfriendly. And indeed, maybe even regulars read overtones into it what was merely a whimsical name. Rich Farmbrough, 01:14, 31 July 2011 (UTC).

Input appreciated
Hello Rich, I'd appreciate your input on Apple Inc. litigation. There have been some differences there with a couple of reverted edits quite recently, and before hard feelings arise, it would be helpful to have another pair of eyes and viewpoint. Thanks in advance. Sctechlaw (talk) 17:34, 11 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks much, and it looks as if another IP identified the problem as a sockpuppet. Sctechlaw (talk) 20:48, 12 August 2011 (UTC)

Helpful Pixie Bot II
Hi Rich. Is the Pixie the one who used to smack? Anyway, re - any chance of modifying so that if the  has a positional parameter, and that parameter contains a valid date (in this case "July 2011"), it could be replaced by the date parameter? -- Red rose64 (talk) 15:58, 16 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Yes this is an old request which I have previously turned down for sound reasons, but I am happy to rethink this. Rich Farmbrough, 20:28, 16 July 2011 (UTC).


 * Re-requested so archive this one... Rich Farmbrough, 22:46, 29 August 2011 (UTC).

Categories for discussion nomination of Category:Monthly clean up category (Merge by month) counter
Category:Monthly clean up category (Merge by month) counter, which you created, has been nominated for discussion. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the Categories for discussion page. Thank you. D O N D E groovily  Talk to me  04:03, 30 August 2011 (UTC)

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Bio-Identical Hormone Replacement Therapy
Hello, I have recommended this article for resolution. All I want is a fair representation of the information from both sides. The talk page shows a history of frustration with accomplishing this. I think it is time it gets done. Nutritiondr (talk) 02:14, 29 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Looks like this is being taken care of. Rich Farmbrough, 10:58, 30 August 2011 (UTC).

Stand (Lenny Kravitz song)
Hi! I was wondering, couldn't you put an other "stick"/note (don't know how it's called) for the article about Lenny Kravitz's song because you wrote it doesn't cite any source at all but it actually has two references and because there isn't yet much written I think it's a bit exaggerated. So does a note like "this article doesn't have enough sources please help improve" exist? Sofffie7 (talk) 19:27, 13 August 2011 (UTC)
 * I changed it to "refimprove" - that previous tag was added by User:Richhoncho here, not by me. Rich Farmbrough, 23:44, 13 August 2011 (UTC).


 * Then I don't know how I came upon your talk page, sorry :P Anyway, thanks for the change =) Sofffie7 (talk) 14:54, 14 August 2011 (UTC)

Please see
Please see Template_talk:Afd-merge_from, where a problem with categorising has been detected. Debresser (talk) 15:33, 31 August 2011 (UTC)


 * I think you missed the point. The talkpage asks for input in the ddmmyyyy format, which DMC can't handle. Debresser (talk) 16:12, 31 August 2011 (UTC)

de:Wikipedia:Meinungsbilder/Einführung persönlicher Bildfilter/en
Hello Rich Farmbrough, you showed interest in the topic of image filters, also on de.wikipedia and participated on de:Wikipedia Diskussion:Meinungsbilder/Einführung persönlicher Bildfilter; so you may also have a look at the attempted (with support of translate.google and dictionaries) translation de:Wikipedia:Meinungsbilder/Einführung persönlicher Bildfilter/en (and feel free to correct any errors of language, content and style), greetings --Schwalker (talk) 10:42, 29 August 2011 (UTC) (de:User:Rosenkohl)
 * Thanks I have done a little tweaking. Rich Farmbrough, 13:08, 30 August 2011 (UTC).

Per your template on Death of Caylee Anthony article
As to your template and suggestion here http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Death_of_Caylee_Anthony&action=edit&section=6 What exactly more do you think should be mentioned about the Defense team? I ask because the article is getting very long-in-the-tooth and just plain long, and looking at other trial articles, David Westerfield murder trial, OJ Simpson murder trial, Susan Smith murder trial and Andrea Yates murder trial I do not see much of a mention specifically about the Defense Team. Perhaps I am misunderstand your observation? I would be happy to comply. Mugginsx (talk) 20:22, 31 July 2011 (UTC)
 * You need to talk to User:Carolmooredc who added the template here. The pixies simply dated it. Rich Farmbrough, 20:30, 31 July 2011 (UTC).

Question
Just a question about the maintenance categories that FemtoBot automatically creates each month: I've noticed that the bot is frequently forced to recreate old, long-deleted monthly categories in the queue, because an article got reverted to an old version for one reason or another and resulted in the old category being temporarily repopulated again. I'm just putting this forward as an idea for discussion, and am certainly not wedded to it — but just to keep things simpler for everyone, I wonder what you would think about the feasibility and/or desirability of recoding the bot so that when it encounters a repopulated old maintenance category, it would retag the article to the current month instead of recreating the old one? Bearcat (talk) 04:00, 5 August 2011 (UTC)
 * That is certainly a possibility. However the re-creation does certainly flag up that a problem has occurred, I have been intending to recode to add the name of the page causing the re-creation.  The other thing that would be nice would be if an admin-bot deleted the empty cats.Rich Farmbrough, 06:02, 5 August 2011 (UTC).

Indentured Servant
Hello, and thank you for your interest in WP. I think you added a POV tag to the Indentured servant page. It is dated July 2011. The matter may have been satisfactorily addressed by interval modifications. As far as I can tell the major themes addressed on the talk page have reached resolution. Your further thoughts are accordingly solicited.FeatherPluma (talk) 00:30, 29 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Here is where the tag was added, by an IP. The bot merely dates the tags. lookslike you have been worknig hard on the page, if you think the issues are addressed, then remove the tag. All the best. Rich Farmbrough, 00:56, 29 August 2011 (UTC).

Problem with image deletions
I think there were some problems with some Commons images you deleted here that have different names on Commons - for example, File:SecJnShrmn.jpg. I just saw it was removed from John Sherman (Ohio) without being replaced. I know there were a bunch of other images I just reviewed with different names on Commons - I usually wait for User:OgreBot to do the automated replacements prior to local deletion. Kelly hi! 16:28, 31 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Ah yes, Silly of me. I did the Ehrhardt one correctly, so I should have checked the rest, foolishly I took the "reviewed by" as meaning more than it does. I'll review them, thanks. Rich Farmbrough, 19:22, 31 August 2011 (UTC).


 * I figured it was something like that - thanks! Kelly  hi! 21:58, 31 August 2011 (UTC)