User talk:Ritchie333/Archive 24

Having fun?
Are you enjoying maintaining your attack page? I see you've cravenly neglected to answer my questions at your RfA. Are you happy with the reversion of obvious improvements to articles that you've played such a large role in encouraging? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 186.9.132.118 (talk) 04:59, 9 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Are you editing as an IP to evade a block? Tell the truth, now. Cullen328  Let's discuss it  05:01, 9 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Yes, as a matter of fact, they are. (Although you didn't really expect them to admit it, did you?) This IP has been identified as the "best known for IP" and has been blocked. Their reference here to "my questions at your RfA" proves that those IPs were also the same person, although they were not formally identified and blocked. --MelanieN (talk) 15:06, 10 May 2015 (UTC)
 * The edit warring on Wilderness hut was ridiculous (and remember it takes more than 1 to edit war so I am taking no sides in that feud) and I am pleased the page is now semi-protected. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont)  16:27, 10 May 2015 (UTC)
 * That you are happy with an article that contravenes WP:NOT and contains such sentences as "The fires should never left unattended", "Often no WC exist", and"Rubbish should't be buried" shows exactly what kind of editor you are, and how little it means to you that this place is supposed to be an encyclopaedia. 186.9.135.169 (talk) 01:23, 16 May 2015 (UTC)

Speedy deletion Star Infranet
I've noticed that you declined the speedy deletion request on Star Infranet on the grounds that it is "the PlusNet of India, and hence not an A7". IMHO the article fails WP:GNG in many ways: it has no significant coverage to be considered notable, references 3 & 4 are not reliable secondary sources as they are self-published material, reference 1 is obviously an advertisement, (so they are not independent of the subject) and source number 3 doesn't work. Would the correct procedure be to propose it for deletion for not complying with WP:GNG? Thanks in advance. Hansi667 (Neighbor Of The Beast) a penny for your thoughts? 16:51, 15 May 2015 (UTC)
 * In that case, best thing to do is to file a full deletion debate via WP:AfD. Normally I try and add a source to show it's notable, but I didn't have time, but in any case speedy deletions are for articles that have no chance of surviving an AfD debate at all, not even to a redirect. It never hurts to wait the full seven days unless it's obvious vandalism, an attack page, or a copyright violation. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont)  16:59, 15 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the feedback. I have nominated the page for deletion.Hansi667 (Neighbor Of The Beast) a penny for your thoughts? 17:28, 15 May 2015 (UTC)

Your request for adminship
Hi Ritchie333, I have closed your request for adminship as successful. Congratulations on the positive result and for your place on WP:RFX100. As always, the administrators' reading list is worth reading and the new admin school is most certainly available if you feel that you might require some practice with the tools in a safe environment prior to applying them elsewhere on the project. Good luck with your adminship! Acalamari 21:27, 10 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Congrats! =) - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 21:27, 10 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Certainly well deserved, congrats! Kharkiv07  ( T ) 21:29, 10 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Well done! No doubt a T-shirt will be forthcoming shortly! Philg88 ♦talk 21:45, 10 May 2015 (UTC)


 * Wow. So quick, "Threesy", I never had time to object!! I demand a recount. Just remember... "being a Wikipedia Admin is a lot like making love to a beautiful woman" (not clear how exactly, but I'm very sure it is) ..... or even a lot like being a strong and impartial host on the BBC's flagship current affairs programme Question Time. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:48, 10 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Martin, I am somewhat intrigued exactly how you have come up with this analogy, but sometimes there are things that a Wikipedian is best off not knowing. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont)  13:18, 11 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Well the latter one is pretty clear - complete with that explanatory video! So I guess it must be the former. I do hope Mrs Threesy doesn't take offence (for multiple good reasons). Martinevans123 (talk) 13:25, 11 May 2015 (UTC) )... and there's nothing wrong with BEANS, I might add!) Everyone knows you're too good to be an Admin. But I trust you still take Paypal.


 * Yes, well done – we've had very little interaction but it was very much appreciated – congratulations. Nortonius (talk) 21:49, 10 May 2015 (UTC)


 * Congratulations and welcome to the admin corps! I was going to offer you a beer but I see Snuggums beat me to it. Well, a second beer is always appropriate for a party. --MelanieN (talk) 21:52, 10 May 2015 (UTC)


 * Did someone mention party? Your answers displayed a refreshingly forwarding attitude. Congrats! . Buster Seven  <em style="font-family:Bradley Hand ITC;color:black"> Talk  22:12, 10 May 2015 (UTC)


 * Congratulations Ritchie333 - Very well deserved, Here have a beer on me :), – Davey 2010 Talk 22:14, 10 May 2015 (UTC)

Looks like a binge of support. Fine RFA! Binksternet (talk) 22:45, 10 May 2015 (UTC)


 * Mmmm, yes, "slip into something velvety". Martinevans123 (talk) 22:52, 10 May 2015 (UTC)


 * This is great news: well done. DBaK (talk) 22:53, 10 May 2015 (UTC)


 * Nice one! Irondome (talk) 22:56, 10 May 2015 (UTC)


 * Congratulation, Ritchie. Well earned.  Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 23:04, 10 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Congrats. Now go slash your best friend's car's tires and tell them to their face that you did it! --Jakob (talk)  aka Jakec  23:09, 10 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Congrats, Ritchie! Your t-shirt has arrived. Now, I suppose that I had better enjoy my final hours of editing, seeing that I'm second in line to be blocked. (Could you at least spare me until I finish that GA review for you?) Ah, well, it was fun while it lasted... ;) -- Biblio worm  00:06, 11 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Well, in that case User:Aaaron.A.Aardvark only has minutes left. Irondome (talk) 00:19, 11 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Congratulations My condolences on your upcoming servitude =) Mkdw talk 00:48, 11 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Congratulations, especially on the degree of support you enjoyed by the community! --L235 (t / c / ping in reply ) 01:20, 11 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Seems like I missed a party--again. Well done, Ritchie: congratulations. Drmies (talk) 03:46, 11 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Well done - I voted you support. Please keep up the great work -- Eurovision Nim  (talk to me)(see my edits) 05:54, 11 May 2015 (UTC)

Hi everyone. Thank you all so much for your kind words and support. Without wishing this to turn into an Oscar speech, I'd like to thank and  for persuading me to give RfA a go,,  and  for the nomination,  for giving me the original inspiration that Wikipedia admins can actually be really good people, and everyone for participating. Some of the questions were mildly taxing, but ultimately I found that if you know enough to be an admin and can read constructive criticism without reacting to it, RfA does seem to be no big deal after all these days. Anyway, back to West Pier now.... <b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b> <sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk) <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  07:10, 11 May 2015 (UTC)

...by the way, can another admin explain to me why I now have a button called "deli-batch"? It that something to do with the secret deli counter that everybody has repeatedly denied existence of? Can you order a tasty footlong sub sandwich? If so - yum! <b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b> <sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk) <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  13:33, 11 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Nah, sorry. It's just a ticketing system, like at a deli-counter, where every naughty editor gets seen strictly in order. Martinevans123 (talk) 13:59, 11 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Would that it were so - this should explain some of your fancy new buttons, Ritchie. Yunshui <sup style="font-size:90%">雲 <sub style="font-size:90%">水 14:05, 11 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Crikey, that button looks like Wikipedia's version of a massive nuclear warhead! You might as well rename it "please desysop me now for being such an insane douchebag" <b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b> <sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk) <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  14:21, 11 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Ah, you want this puppy... Yunshui <sup style="font-size:90%">雲 <sub style="font-size:90%">水 14:23, 11 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Also, belated congratulations! Yunshui <sup style="font-size:90%">雲 <sub style="font-size:90%">水 14:06, 11 May 2015 (UTC)


 * CONGRATULATIONS!! <b style="color:#0E0">Jianhui67</b><b style="color:#1E90FF">T</b> ★ <b style="color:#1E90FF">C</b> 14:35, 11 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Congratulations and wishing you the best and many years. ツ  <b style="color:#595454">Fylbecatulous</b> <b style="color:#DB7093">talk</b> 15:09, 11 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Congrats! Well-deserved. Prhartcom (talk) 15:19, 11 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Congratulations! Want to celebrate with some drinks? They're on me. Epic Genius (talk) 17:32, 11 May 2015 (UTC)


 * Best to you Ritchie. I'm confident you will find a place and way to do good stuff here.  Dennis Brown - 2&cent; 20:01, 11 May 2015 (UTC)


 * Thanks Dennis, and everyone else. I don't want to trample on any admin's shoes, obviously I have a way of working, so do others. Already disagreed (politely and agreeably!) over some semi-protections. And do any other admins write stuff like this I wonder? And come on Epic, how about a real drink? <b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b> <sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk) <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  20:21, 11 May 2015 (UTC)


 * Well played dude. Of course, if I'd have noticed it, I would have strongly opposed it.  You now are indoctrinated to a world of shite from people who will stalk your edit history, find out who you are and make your life a misery.  Having said that, at least you can (nearly) delete the main page.  God speed, I have absolute trust in you, for what it's worth, you'll do a fine job.  The Rambling Man (talk) 20:45, 11 May 2015 (UTC)


 * I figure that will never speak to me again as I am now an "abusive admin" who can block him for the lulz :-( <b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b> <sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk)  <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  20:52, 11 May 2015 (UTC)
 * My plan is working perfectly. You will receive fresh instructions on the usual frequency. EEng (talk) 21:15, 11 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Plus you can now block that pest... The Rambling Man (talk) 19:22, 12 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Ah, did someone mention "abusive admin." Martinevans123 (talk) 19:26, 12 May 2015 (UTC)
 * I'm sure I have a t-shirt somewhere which mentions that... The Rambling Man (talk) 21:17, 12 May 2015 (UTC)


 * Congratulations, and please continue working on articles and collaborations despite the mop. Cheers, North America1000 23:53, 11 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Belated congrats (I'm still travelling). If you need any help while you're finding your feet around the tools don't hesitate to ask me. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 17:23, 12 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Well done Ritchie - and well deserved. — sparklism hey! 15:31, 13 May 2015 (UTC)
 * I see that your new status hasn't messed up your impeccable judgment. Well done. Hey,, pretty decent RfA harvest these days. Drmies (talk) 16:54, 13 May 2015 (UTC)
 * I'm late to the game, but I still want to add my name to the list of people offering congratulations. Name Omitted (talk) 19:17, 16 May 2015 (UTC)

Three pints a gin a day
I'd have thought that's quite a notable amount, and in quite a different league to "favouring". Do you doubt the source? Or is it pure exaggeration? Martinevans123 (talk) 16:26, 18 May 2015 (UTC)
 * "Three pints" was added by somebody else before I started work. My "go to" source (his official biography) doesn't have it, so I took it out. It was one of things I wanted to quickly go over before throwing it up to the GA vultures. <b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b> <sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk) <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  16:29, 18 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Yes, I can see why you'd want to put a few yards of clear water between that description and GA. I suspect that the truth might lie somewhere between the two. Martinevans123 (talk) 16:36, 18 May 2015 (UTC)
 * This might come in handy. Martinevans123 (talk) 12:06, 19 May 2015 (UTC)

Thanks
Thanks for the stalk - and for the edit summary which gave me my best laugh of the day! --MelanieN (talk) 20:33, 18 May 2015 (UTC)
 * You're welcome Melanie. The time is very much ripe for to come in and give some well earned humour to this place! <b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b> <sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk)  <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  21:09, 18 May 2015 (UTC)
 * I've just dropped in to "wet the baby admin's head." Martinevans123 (talk) 21:15, 18 May 2015 (UTC)

Hi Ritchie333! I noticed the Wikipedia page we set up for our CEO Alexandre Mars has been deleted
It's important for us to have this page as we're a growing startup and Wikipedia is integral to our growing media presence. Can you let me know what we can do to have it up again? Thanks and if it's easier, feel free to email me at jennifer@epic.foundation

I look forward to hearing from you!

Best, Jennifer Director of Communications Epic Foundation Andamanes (talk) 15:41, 18 May 2015 (UTC)


 * The article was deleted because it was a copyright violation of Mars' LinkedIn Profile. Because Wikipedia text can be reused by anybody, and even sold for commercial purposes, we are unable to accept text from anywhere that does not have that specific licencing agreement. That's pretty non-negotiatable.
 * I'm interested to know why you think "Wikipedia is integral to our growing media presence". Personally, I think LinkedIn, Twitter and Pinterest do a much better job than here - I don't think Wikipedia will actually do very much at all for your business. Neither my company nor my band have articles on Wikipedia, yet we seem to survive! <b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b> <sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk) <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  15:49, 18 May 2015 (UTC)

Response:

Thanks Richie33.

What can we do to ameliorate the situation? Should we remove the LinkedIn public profile link? We would really liked to keep his page because many journalists visit his Wikipedia page and his Crunchbase profile as part of their thought leader research. If it's better to remove that hyperlink, I am happy to do so.

Thanks so much, Jennifer


 * My recommendation is to not worry about it and do something else. If I do a Google search for "Alexandre Mars" I can find out all about him. In all seriousness, you really are better off not having an article about him, and you don't need one. See An article about yourself is not necessarily a good thing. I'm just about to nominate Graham Chapman for a good article review - that's the sort of standard of significance Wikipedia biographies should be aiming for. <b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b> <sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk) <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  16:25, 18 May 2015 (UTC)

Response:

Hi there, I appreciate your awesome advice but my CEO wants his profile back up. And before we set his page up, I did some research and plenty of entrpreneurs and philanthropists have profiles (Pierre Omidyar, Ashish Thakkar, etc). Can we please repost his page? I'd REALLY appreciate it :)


 * I'm sorry, but the answer is still no - I cannot restore copyright violations. You have far too much of a conflict of interest in having the article existing, which means it is better for the project that it does not. I'd REALLY like a Hammond C3 organ and Leslie 147 speaker for my studio, but that doesn't mean anybody is obliged to give me one! In all seriousness, other admins would block you for this sort of thing, so you should take this advice at face value. <b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b> <sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk) <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  16:37, 18 May 2015 (UTC)

Hi Ritchie333, is there any way we can just remove the LinkedIn URL? Isn't this the issue? Sorry I am confused about where the problem lies. I am totally okay with editing his page so that we don't have any reference to LinkedIn.


 * You could rewrite the article in your own words. But you would still have conflict of interest problems - some Wikipedians hate editors with a COI and go out of their way to try and block editors who they think have one. I'm not saying that's good, or bad, that's just how it is. You really need to the advice on your user talk page and the plain and simple conflict of interest guide ASAP. I appreciate you've probably been put in an unpalatable position and your boss has yelled at you to do your job, and that's a shame. <b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b> <sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk) <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  17:53, 18 May 2015 (UTC)

Thanks Ritchie333. I was going to suggest rewriting this entry to make it more appropriate for Wikipedia. To be fair, I cited the entire article and I copied and pasted the stuff from Wikipedia to Alexandre's LinkedIn page, not the other way around. I wish we had a staff member who has better knowledge of Wikipedia guidelines than I do but alas, I am the Comm Director and a one woman team :) If you have any suggestions on how I can draft an entry that is "Wikipedia friendly", let me know! Also, would you be able to send me the text so I can revise it?


 * Aha! Okay, if you copy and pasted Wikipedia's article to Linkedin (and not vice versa), then nothing I said about copyright violation applies. Okay, I have restored the article to Draft:Alexandre Mars where it can be worked on. You need to ensure you have good links to reliable sources in the submission, the Wall Street Journal and The Observer are good sources. Then click on the green "Submit your draft" box when you are ready, and an independent editor will review it for you. That should get you out of the worst problems. I know, the Wikipedia user interface and user experience is awful, isn't it? That's kind of what I was getting at earlier when I suggested focusing on Twitter and Pinterest instead, they've got a modern, up to date user interface! <b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b> <sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk) <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  18:11, 18 May 2015 (UTC)
 * C'mon Ritchie, you should know that's not correct.  Info copied from Wikipedia MUST be attributed.  On Linkedin it is not attributed but is copywritten instead.   It's a copyvio.  The Dissident Aggressor 18:17, 18 May 2015 (UTC)
 * If the material was written on Wikipedia first, it's not a copyvio on Wikipedia. Seriously, there are copyvios of our articles all over the 'net, left right and centre. You can yell and scream at people, pleading with them not to do it, but it's not Wikipedia's problem. <b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b> <sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk) <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  18:24, 18 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Nope - you need to prove it with an OTRS ticket. And it can't be copywritten after the fact.  You need to read the   Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike License that's at the bottom of every page.   You're getting really sloppy, my friend.  The Dissident Aggressor 18:29, 18 May 2015 (UTC)
 * I recommend therefore you raise a thread on ANI requesting that I be desysopped. <b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b> <sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk) <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  18:36, 18 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Ok, now you're being a dick. I'm trying to discuss this issue here in good faith as I did above.   If you can't be accountable for your actions, and discuss them you should de-sysop yourself.  I'm not here to de-sysop you at all.    What you're saying by making such an extreme statement, is I'll keep making mistakes, giving incorrect advice, and unless it's at the level for me to be de-sysopped, then take a hike.   That's just poor.  The Dissident Aggressor 18:40, 18 May 2015 (UTC)
 * I've just been watching some news coverage where two rival gangs in Texas have opened fire on each other and killed nine people. If you can't understand why I consider that more important than anything I do on Wikipedia - ever - then I really don't know what will. <b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b> <sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk) <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  19:06, 18 May 2015 (UTC)
 * I really don't understand that response. The best I can figure is it's something along the lines of  WP:DOSOMETHINGELSE which is probably appropriate.  The Dissident Aggressor 19:14, 18 May 2015 (UTC)

Hi there, I tried to access the page so I could work on revising it but it looks like it's been deleted again. Can you send me the text so I can work on edits? Thanks and I'm sorry this is creating such a mess.

I'm sorry, but now I really can't. deleted it for the same original reasons I did. I've pinged him so hopefully he can join the conversation and give further advice. You're a new editor just trying to get things going, I understand. <b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b> <sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk) <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  19:06, 18 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Let me look into it. Chris  lk02  Chris Kreider 19:14, 18 May 2015 (UTC)
 * First of all, Wikipedia is not here to help you "grow your media presence". Secondly, you seem closely involved with the organization/individual on which the article is written about a WP:COI.  Finally, the article was tagged as being copyrighted, with little value in undeleting it.  You are welcome to create an article again, from scratch, with content that is not copyrighted, but I fear that the concerns that I listed above may overshadow any chance of success it has.   Chris  lk02  Chris Kreider 19:18, 18 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks for that. What raised my eyebrow was "I copied and pasted the stuff from Wikipedia to Alexandre's LinkedIn page, not the other way around". This ties in with what I read in Spotting possible copyright violations ie : "Also, sometimes you will find text elsewhere on the Web that was copied from Wikipedia. In these cases, it is a good idea to make a note in the talk page to discourage such false alarms in the future". A perusal through the article's history reveals other editors have removed self-published sources, trimmed some puffery ... all the things you would expect an inexperienced editor with a COI to make, if I'm honest, and that's what was copypasted to Linkedin. So really per policy this should have be tagged backwardscopyvio ... although everything I and you have said about COI upthread still applies, of course. <b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b> <sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk) <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  19:25, 18 May 2015 (UTC)

Hi guys, I will go ahead and resubmit a new entry, keeping all those guidelines in mind and being sure to properly cite everything. I hope this time it will work. Again, I completely understand Wikipedia is not a place to grow our media presence. Alexandre Mars is a highly influential social entrepreneur and philanthropist, very much like Pierre Omidyar and Ashish Thakkar (both on Wikipedia). We're a growing nonprofit startup and we just want to make the world a better place for children and youth to live in. We're just a bunch of good people who are passionate about impact and the more we can inspire these wealthy folks to be like Alexandre, who's giving all of his time and energy and money to help organizations get what they need in 6 countries/regions around the world. So, it's more than media presence. It's about giving back to our communities and it's about being compassionate.
 * Are you getting paid as an employee of this non-profit, and are you writing this article in an official capacity of this non-profit? Chris  lk02  Chris Kreider 20:43, 18 May 2015 (UTC)

Hi Chrislk02, I'm writing this in an official capacity.

Hotter than July
Can you change protection level for persisting sockpuppet from MariaJaydHicky. 115.164.59.51 (talk) 11:10, 19 May 2015 (UTC)
 * has already semi-protected it. Still, now I feel like listening Master Blaster (Jammin'), so in a way your message has been helpful :-) <b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b> <sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk) <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  11:13, 19 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Semi=protection won't help regardless, as the socks are autoconfirmed -- Diannaa (talk) 13:55, 19 May 2015 (UTC)

Unblock request - Granted
I would like to know if I can make edits to pages? I understand I must use the Article wizard to create new pages, but what about editing existing articles? InfoDataMonger (talk) 13:36, 20 May 2015 (UTC)
 * If you're unblocked you have the technical ability to edit any article. I'd advise you not to add anything that is in any way connected to yourself or any businesses you are involved with - edits can be challenged and reverted by other editors, though this doesn't happen very often in the grand scheme of things. <b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b> <sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk) <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  13:38, 20 May 2015 (UTC)

AN/I
There is currently a discussion at Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 186.9.130.238 (talk) 15:34, 20 May 2015 (UTC)
 * I seem to have missed the thread, but just to clarify to, I think this was the first redact I've done and I hope I don't ever have to do any more (though I fear that is wishful thinking). Normally if two editors are going hammer and tongs at each other in edit summaries, striking either of them will lead to trouble and shrill cries of "admin abuse". In this instance, they were good edits accompanied by inflammatory abusive edit summaries and I simply felt that hiding them would allow editors to concentrate on the article content, rather than being unnecessarily distracted by who made it. And I think that's a good thing. I am saddened, but not at all surprised to see another block over this. <b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b> <sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk) <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  16:21, 20 May 2015 (UTC)

And - you may recall me saying I'd never been personally pulled up to ANI ever, which makes me doubly sad :-( <b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b> <sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk)  <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  16:28, 20 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Probably now time to get that ANI season ticket sorted out. Martinevans123 (talk) 16:43, 20 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Pffft - I remember I was an ANI accused of admin abuse in my first week as well. No need to be saddened by another block for an editor who is listed at WP:LTA and makes a raison d'etre of causing problems. Black Kite (talk) 16:52, 20 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Well, that didn't take long - ten days or so since your mopping? At that rate... no, I won't do the math, I'm just teasing you. In this case, since the "report" came from a well known troll who has it in for you - and who also made (probably) three appearances at your RfA - you may as well wear this one as a badge of honor. Don't be doubly sad; don't even be singly sad. As my mom used to say, consider the source. Personally, I got such a kick out of the (so far) two times I have been reported that I still maintain links to them at the top of my talk page. --MelanieN (talk) 17:03, 20 May 2015 (UTC)

In my previous life as head forum moderator, the colourful incidents I've had included some troll ringing up a pub pretending to be me and trying to cancel a meetup, and some pillock who trolled lots of people in private message for five years and whose final act (that caused his banning) was something like "I wonder if the management could confirm anything in writing that says that sharing passwords with another user is to be discouraged?" So, me at ANI - pfffft, been there, done that. That's not why I'm sad.

The problem is - and it's really important to never forget it - we are here to write an encyclopedia, and this guy brought to my attention Alex Lowe, which is just ... awful. Quotes without sources and a Chuck Norris-esque fawning portrayal of somebody. I've half a mind to send it to AfD except it's not actually policy to send stuff there because it's rubbish. Why can't he concentrate on that? There's a new article on reshoring that has NPOV and geographic problems (it's a new article by an inexperienced editor; these things happen) that on past form he could whip into shape in a few edits. Why do we have to have all this additional bullshit and dramah? <b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b> <sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk) <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  17:11, 20 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Ritchie, I know I've been pushing you a bit and you probably think that I'm nothing more than a pain-in-the-ass, but I've been trying to do it in a constructive way.   Others won't and this is pretty good advice for a new admin.  Mops need to come with both thick skin yet you still need to be open to careful self-examination of your action.  Just my my  €0.02 worth.  The Dissident Aggressor 13:29, 21 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Hi TDA, thanks for dropping by. I haven't said so yet but you are a good content editor, so I'm happy to listen. As long as anyone comes here and politely says "I don't think you should have done that" or "Don't you think it would be a better idea to do 'x'", sticking to content and not personalising disputes, I'll give them all the help I can afford. I'll particularly offer extra slack to new editors eg: Here. WP:DOSOMETHINGELSE is a good essay, and one I need to practice more. The problem is I could spend pages arguing my point of view and what else I do in my life, but .... well, nobody really cares do they? It's all about the article. <b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b> <sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk) <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  13:48, 21 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Melanie's mom was right, you know. But always remember to remove the wings. Martinevans123 (talk) 17:14, 20 May 2015 (UTC)
 * It's nice to stir the pot so you get the secret sauce shaken, not stirred. <b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b> <sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk) <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  17:24, 20 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Reshoring? We already have an article about Onshoring; they're the same thing. They should be combined, but that would be a daunting amount of work; both contain a lot of detail and sources. I'm not feeling up to it myself right now; maybe tomorrow after I get past a few Real Life things today. --MelanieN (talk) 17:33, 20 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Well, I could swear I worked on such an article in the past, but Onshoring is just a redirect so I don't know what I was thinking. --MelanieN (talk) 17:37, 20 May 2015 (UTC)


 * I think they were articles that got AfDed and hoovered into a redirect. However, reshoring / onshoring etc is, I feel, a worthy encyclopedia topic, as I've written in the new article, people explicitly shout "now with UK call centres!" as an advertising point. That's nothing to do with the hard working folks in Mumbai and Bangalore (several of whom I work with in my day job), just ... well it's like the modern version of Manuel. And striking edits on here? Tsk, tsk, off to the WP:Slough of Despond for you, m'lady.... <b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b> <sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk) <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  17:46, 20 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Why does Sir John suddenly spring to mind? Martinevans123 (talk) 17:53, 20 May 2015 (UTC)
 * I was thinking of Near-sourcing, which I helped with. We also have an article on Nearshoring. Neither is quite the same thing as Reshoring so I guess all are OK. --MelanieN (talk) 17:56, 20 May 2015 (UTC) Striking edits is a no-no? Sort of like striking edit summaries, you'll report me at ANI? Actually I just didn't want to send anyone off on a wild goose chase looking for an imaginary article about Onshoring. My version of eating my words. --MelanieN (talk) 18:01, 20 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Near-sourcing? I thought that was a bit too saucy! Martinevans123 (talk) 18:06, 20 May 2015 (UTC)

You made a very clear violation of a very clear policy. If you do it again, I'll report you again. And as for your plaintive wondering why I don't edit articles that you want me to edit, and your weepy complaint about "additional bullshit and dramah": you set up an idiotic attack page dedicated to making false accusations against me. Additional bullshit and drama is exactly what you wanted, and it's exactly what you've got. I am quite certain you're delighted by that.

Blocking me shortly after declaring that you would not do so because you were WP:INVOLVED is another serious mistake by the way. I don't think you're going to remain an administrator for very long if you keep on like this, you know. 186.9.131.35 (talk) 18:48, 20 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Ah, no hint of dramah there, then. Or personal attacks. Or vindictive threats. Martinevans123 (talk) 18:54, 20 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Note: This is the "Best known for IP" – should probably be blocked on sight... --IJBall (talk) 19:14, 20 May 2015 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Wickedly Welsh Chocolate
Hello! Your submission of Wickedly Welsh Chocolate at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and some issues with it may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! Yoninah (talk) 23:06, 20 May 2015 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure what else I can do - hooks are coming out of the woodwork now, but should we not have an uninvolved editor picking one and sending it to prep? <b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b> <sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk) <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  09:39, 21 May 2015 (UTC)
 * I was just asking for your input on the template page. The first 3 hooks are pretty boring. What do you think about ALT4? Yoninah (talk) 11:14, 21 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Well it's the best so far. As I think I mentioned, this was more a PR exercise to placate somebody who'd created an article on a seemingly notable topic, only to have a nice fat speedy deletion template parked on their userpage. The actual hook was about the last thing I was thinking of, so I am more than amenable to suggestions from others. <b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b> <sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk) <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  11:25, 21 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Gee, Threesie, you're such a high-flyer: "Changing the way wikipedia articles are designed would pave the way to transporting more subjects onto the front page. It could lead to a next generation type of DYK carrying up to 100 alternative hooks."!! Martinevans123 (talk) 15:28, 21 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Well when we've got all Wikipedia articles perfect and all editors agreeing with each other, I was going to try and solve the Reimann Hypothesis and walk on water as a party jape. <b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b> <sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk) <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  16:14, 21 May 2015 (UTC)
 * I hope you'll do requests. Martinevans123 (talk) 16:19, 21 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Better than these requests, I guess <b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b> <sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk) <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  16:22, 21 May 2015 (UTC)

AN/I
There is currently a discussion at Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 186.9.128.182 (talk) 02:41, 21 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Baptism by fire, eh Ritchie? EEng (talk) 06:54, 21 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Somebody needs Samantha Hess and fast. While you're here, can you think of a good hook for Wickedly Welsh Chocolate? Inspiration is lacking a bit at the mo. <b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b> <sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk) <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  07:12, 21 May 2015 (UTC)
 * It's just a very fishy bribe, EEngy. Don't let him reel you in! Martinevans123 (talk) 08:44, 21 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Sorry, been traveling. Look now. EEng (talk) 14:02, 21 May 2015 (UTC)

JoanneB123
Hi, Thanks for asking me to jump in. I agree with the actions taken by you and, and I hope my comments/templates helped the situation. --Rosiestep (talk) 15:02, 21 May 2015 (UTC)
 * I hope so, Rosie. As you can see, I now have a mop and bucket and patrol CAT:UNBLOCK looking for editors to unblock, and this was one of them. Joanne said things I can easily picture Rhonda saying, and that motivated me to sort things out. It's a seriously outside shot she'll turn into a hardcore wikipedian focused on systemic bias and equality like your good self, but I can dream. About the unblock, the blocking administrator hasn't been on since the 15th and I don't think I've got authority to unblock a checkuser-blocked account (especially where there's no consensus for a block). I think that needs a trip to ANI or a similar place. <b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b> <sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk)  <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  15:10, 21 May 2015 (UTC)

User talk:V8sonny
Hi Ritchie and congratulations on your recent elevation to adminship. I tend to take a firm line on legal threats. The user was perfectly entitled to challenge any BLP issues on the article about him, but in mentioning "counsel" they crossed a line. All they need to do to be unblocked is to clarify that they do not intend to take legal action against us. At that point I will happily unblock. This is standard procedure in dealing with this issue, and I think it is there for good reason. Our policy on legal threats only works if it is a bright-line rule, somewhat like 3RR but with far fewer exceptions, of which I do not believe this to be one. Happy to discuss this further of course, but I prefer to do so here than at the user's talk page. Hope that makes sense. --John (talk) 18:17, 22 May 2015 (UTC)
 * I think people say things in the heat of the moment that they don't really mean, and this was one of them. In that respect, it's really not too much different to civility and personal attacks - the policy is pretty clear to me that telling another editor to fuck off is unacceptable, but try blocking Eric over it and see who calls you out for a "piss poor block"! (And the last few have been utterly atrocious drama magnets) When somebody says "I find events unacceptable and hence my lawyers will be contacting the Wikimedia Foundation effective from [date]", that's when I think you can block per WP:NLT. <b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b> <sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk) <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  10:45, 23 May 2015 (UTC)

Achievement
Ritchie, it's been at least 24 hours since you were last accused of abusing your admin tools. Keep it up! ;P EEng (talk) 23:17, 22 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Do I take that as an insult or a complement? has applied a rangeblock to the Best known for IP's mobile provider (I guess nobody else in Santiago, Chile edits the English Wikipedia that much) so things have quietened down .... until he finds another internet provider, at least. <b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b> <sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk)  <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  10:45, 23 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Hope the rangeblock helps. When you have a dedicated enemy with an apparently limitless supply of IP addresses (how does he do that?) you can expect a certain amount of harassment. Glad you are staying philosophical about it. --MelanieN (talk) 14:28, 23 May 2015 (UTC)
 * And the sad thing about it is, once again, his improvements to Dave Kilminster were good. But they were not great. He slapped a tag for Kilminster's left / right handedness, but I typed "dave kilminster left handed" into Google, found an interview which he confirmed it, and added it as a source. Go figure. <b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b> <sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk)  <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  14:29, 23 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Oh how despicable! Making good edits?  Never heard anything so sickening in all my life.  This sort of behaviour must be stamped out!  Someone who dares to not find a source is the kind of person wikipedia can do without!  Good job there's that "citation needed" template to trick them into revealing themselves.
 * Yes, good but not great edits are the true enemy of the encyclopaedia, and anyone making such edits must be harassed and bullied ad infinitum! No edit that is not great must be allowed!  And for the benchmark of quality, let's look no further than Ritchie333, whose every action on wikipedia simply oozes quality.  The fact that the source mentions nothing to do with any kart accident while the article claims it must surely be someone else's mistake, and not due to any failing on Ritchie333's part to understand what the article said and what needed citing!
 * Keep on the hard work of harassing those who make good but not great edits, Ritchie333. Surely that can only improve the encyclopaedia!  2607:F298:5:101F:0:0:674:A3FE (talk) 23:54, 23 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Well, that didn't take long. MelanieN alt (talk) 03:40, 24 May 2015 (UTC)

Regarding pasting annoying templates
Thank you for your feedback. They are always welcomed but the fact is that in order to create an article for a film you need make sure it passes WP:NFF and make sure you have at least one reference to the context. You just can't create an article with an infobox only and without any content and citations. That's what the point I made sure before adding the varius tags.Cheers!!! Sammanhumagaint@lk 01:20, 23 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Hi. Yes, How newbies see templates is a little cutting, but there is a serious message behind it and it comes from me observing Wikipedia from non-regulars in the real world. Anyway, in the case of Baaghi: A Rebel For Love, yes an article that has no obvious way of meeting the notability criteria for films and has no citation is a good candidate for deletion .... at AfD! Not speedy. I see that deleted the article under the criteria for "no content" but that's also wrong as the policy says, verbatim, "Similarly, this criterion does not cover a page having only an infobox, unless its contents also meet the criteria mentioned here." In my view, since the infobox listed a notable director and producer, it does not. The release date of 2016 suggests it would have been deleted (probably per WP:CRYSTAL) at AfD anyway, but that's supposed to be for the AfD participants to decide.
 * The reason this is important is that the speedy deletion criteria are very narrowly defined, and with good reason as they give administrators authority to delete articles without any discussion. All other cases require a debate. People who don't visit Wikipedia often sometimes say "There used to be an article about 'x' - where's it gone?" If it was deleted by an AfD debate, somebody can look at the deletion log and cross reference the discussion and get a better understanding of why the article was deleted. Whereas a CSD doesn't really give you much at all other than a stock reason, which is too easy to disagree with and think "admin abuse"! <b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b> <sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk) <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  10:45, 23 May 2015 (UTC)

Portland Steam Tug
Good afternoon. I am not ready to re-submit the Portland article into the GA process, as there is discussion in the talk page as to it's qualifications to being a "B" let alone a GA, but I have gone through most of the points you brought up last time. At your convenience, I would appreciate your checking it out again, and letting me know what you think. Thank you, Name Omitted (talk) 02:30, 23 May 2015 (UTC)
 * I have left a note on the talk page and in my view, B class is a fair assessment of the article's current state. <b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b> <sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk) <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  10:45, 23 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Thank you. Name Omitted (talk) 15:03, 23 May 2015 (UTC)

sabre
is you the sabre guy?--13jospin (talk) 05:52, 23 May 2015 (UTC) (M4 CROSSING)
 * Yes, I used to be President of SABRE and organised events such as a fun day out looking at road traffic accident street furniture at the Fire Service College in Moreton in Marsh, though these days I take a more back-seat role as I decided to get less involved with day-to-day running of stuff. I still think the historic maps area is great, and look at it all the time. <b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b> <sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk) <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  11:02, 23 May 2015 (UTC)

Is this a potential rescue?
Hi, Ritchie! While patrolling CSDs I came across this article: Draft:Stentorians. A bunch of people had been working on it for several months, and then for some reason one of them blanked the page. I declined speedy and restored the page, and I started trying to pull it together into a proper article because I think the subject is interesting and notable. But it looks like a job for more than one person. It apparently started out as an obituary for the founder of the group. It is still bloated and disorganized, and I haven't even started to look for copyvios yet. But take a look and let me know if you think this article is worth saving. If you don't think the subject is notable enough then I'll drop it. --MelanieN (talk) 23:06, 23 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Update: offhand I don't think copyvio is a problem. There is a website here that has a lot of the same wording, but it seems to have been copied from Wikipedia so it should not be a problem.--MelanieN (talk) 23:12, 23 May 2015 (UTC)
 * I had a quick look around and there are certainly sources to prove notability - that's not an issue. The article needs a bit more copyediting; I've done a bit and I'll see if I can tackle more later today. The real problem is finding sources for most of the information - it's quite detailed, but I haven't found anything yet that picks up the level of detail present in the draft. All in all those, it's definitely a worthwhile article to salvage. <b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b> <sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk) <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  07:34, 24 May 2015 (UTC)

The Chauntry Cup
Hi Ritchie. I have a hard copy of the article from The Lichfield Mercury. I don't know how to upload it though. Can you help? I'm new to Wikipedia. Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.125.232.220 (talk) 11:13, 24 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Hi (Are you forgetting to log in, perchance?) You don't need to upload the paper, all you need is to give a reference to it. The Referencing for beginners tutorial is a good start, but in this case you simply report what the paper says (as I have done in the Lichfield Cricket Club article). The easiest way is to put citation inside a   tag, like this :.


 * As long as there is enough information for somebody, somewhere to fact check your information, that's sufficient - indeed, many featured articles cite books and publications that cannot be found online. When you can cite references, you can do a lot of good on the project, like walking into an Articles for deletion debate and making everyone change their mind from "delete" to "keep". ;-) I hope that's of use. <b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b> <sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk) <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  11:24, 24 May 2015 (UTC)

Country houses
You or page stalkers up for Gloucestershire country houses at WikiProject Intertranswiki? User:Martinevans123, User:Gareth E Kegg and User:KJP1 might also be up for helping start some. Any stubs or start class articles you can create will be appreciated!♦ Dr. Blofeld  13:15, 19 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Hmm. I'll have a look round for any Grade II listed buildings that don't have articles and see what I can do, but I'm afraid I'm now a sloppy and abusive admin so all I do these days is block people for looking at me the wrong way. Still, now Gray is at GAN I am looking for another article to get my teeth stuck into. <b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b> <sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk) <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  13:16, 19 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Wow an admin! Let's hope you demonstrate more sense in deleting content than who is happy to delete any article any editor tags for deletion without quickly checking in google books to assess notability. Lazy sod.♦  Dr. Blofeld  18:57, 20 May 2015 (UTC)
 * I see that Brockworth Court is part of the National Gardens Scheme:, so our mutual horticultural friend Old Pale Trousers might be interested too. Martinevans123 (talk) 13:22, 19 May 2015 (UTC)
 * I just rescued some Wickedly Welsh Chocolate from the bin for you Martin, if you want some. <b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b> <sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk) <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  14:48, 19 May 2015 (UTC)
 * How very appropriate - I'm a proper little "Mr Trwyn-ym-Mhopeth". So looking forward to seeing you on Sianel Pedwar Saesneg. Martinevans123 (talk) 15:33, 19 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Gosh, that takes me back, I remember trying to read Mr Bach when I was younger ... I think the opening sentence from memory was something vaguely like "Roeydd Mr Bach een fach en" but my knowledge of Welsh is almost non-existent. Maybe Little Miss Politics could teach us all a thing or two. <b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b> <sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk) <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  15:37, 19 May 2015 (UTC)
 * But not to be confused with The Welsh Chocolate Farm? Martinevans123 (talk) 16:40, 19 May 2015 (UTC)
 * That's next door, we were talking about Pembrokeshire. Did you know my middle name is Welsh, but because it's from Pembrokeshire nobody can tell. <b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b> <sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk) <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  17:34, 19 May 2015 (UTC)
 * All one big chocolate family, really. Martinevans123 (talk) 17:46, 19 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Old Pale Trousers is very familiar with country houses in Gloucestershire, dahlings... PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 20:58, 19 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Mummy's pied à terre is already rather covered, don'tcha know. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:17, 19 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Have now stubbed Brockworth Court. Martinevans123 (talk) 13:39, 20 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Better watch out for that, might delete it.♦  Dr. Blofeld  19:01, 20 May 2015 (UTC)
 * I wouldn't know him from a hole in the ground but I have vented a bit elsewhere. As for "it is not up to the deleting administrator to work on improving the tagged articles" - bullshit. <b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b> <sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk) <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  11:16, 22 May 2015 (UTC)
 * It's not as if I even asked to improve or even work on anything. Just make a judgement call when deleting something whether or not the tag is correctly there or not. Simply a ten second google book search. If it is notable then remove the tag and drill a message to the creator to improve/source it. How hard is that to do exactly? It's irresponsible. I could go about the site tagging all sorts of notable unsourced articles for deletion and he'd delete them all.♦  Dr. Blofeld  11:24, 22 May 2015 (UTC)

Okay, Blofeld, I guess you and Rjd0060 aren't going to be exchanging Christmas cards this year ... but this seems to just be a one-off mistake. If you have solid evidence (and that means diffs) that an admin is repeatedly deleting things out of policy (and I really don't think he is from a cursory look), I can look into it. <b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b> <sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk) <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  11:27, 22 May 2015 (UTC)
 * If he had simply said, "I agree it's best to check before deleting" that would have been fine, and everything would have been amicable. As it was it was an arrogant, stubborn "I'm not hearing you", and this, confessing that he'd delete a notable again if he had the chance. That sort of careless attitude from an admin is typical of the problem on here. If he'd have come across the speedy tag on Nesskip for instance he'd have deleted it, "carrying out community protocol".♦ Dr. Blofeld  09:05, 23 May 2015 (UTC)

Can either of you expand Frampton Court, four Grade I listed buildings in one!!♦ Dr. Blofeld  16:51, 25 May 2015 (UTC)