User talk:Robert McClenon/Archive 47

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County Palatine of Durham — apology
Hi Robert,

It's been a while, so you may not remember, but you were involved in a (sort-of) third opinion for County Palatine of Durham back in June. Now the dust has settled I'd just like to apologise for being so hard on you during that process — the situation wasn't your fault and I should have acted more kindly rather than taking out my frustration on you. I hope you're well and that the experience wasn't too discouraging. Best wishes, A.D.Hope (talk) 11:48, 20 October 2023 (UTC)
 * User:A.D.Hope - I have reviewed the history, and I see that I had only a little involvement, and that there was more involvement, although still not a lot of involvement, by User:TransporterMan. I am not sure what you are apologizing for, so it doesn't matter.  Robert McClenon (talk) 17:04, 23 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Hi Robert. I should have been clearer, as the discussion actually spilled over onto your talk page, which is primarily what I was referring to. Personally it wasn't my best behaviour, hence the apology, but from your perspective it's probably long in the past. A.D.Hope (talk) 17:44, 23 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Okay, User:A.D.Hope. I vaguely remember it now, and I don't remember it any better because it was stupid.  Apology accepted for the stupid questions.  Robert McClenon (talk) 19:09, 23 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I'm sure it seems silly, but Wikipedia can be a bit faceless and confrontational sometimes, so I try to remedy things if I've been stupid. Cheers for your time. A.D.Hope (talk) 19:15, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

Marking AfC submissions as under review
Just wanted to let you know I unmarked Draft:Nasakom as being under review as it has been over ten days since then without the submission being accepted or declined. Deauthorized. (talk) 12:51, 22 October 2023 (UTC)


 * You should also re-check Draft:294 (number), as you've also marked this draft as under review two days ago. Deauthorized. (talk) 12:53, 22 October 2023 (UTC)
 * User:Deauthorized - I have accepted both of them. In each case, I was planning to accept the draft, but marked it as under review, but I think that I went to bed, and in the morning forgot to resume where I had left off.  They're both accepted now.  Thank you for calling them to my attention.  Robert McClenon (talk) 17:08, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

Sphere Media - now at AfD
If you have a moment would you be kind enough to perform a source analysis, conceivably commenting at the AfD? The creating editor and I disagree. Rather than my indulging in "comment tennis" an independent and analytical editor such as you are would be a useful asset. I am perfectly happy to be proven to be incorrect. 🇺🇦 Fiddle Timtrent  Faddle Talk to me 🇺🇦 10:20, 23 October 2023 (UTC)
 * User:Timtrent - It will take more than a moment, so I will review the sources within 48 hours. Robert McClenon (talk) 15:51, 23 October 2023 (UTC)
 * No-one could ask for more 👍 🇺🇦 Fiddle Timtrent  Faddle Talk to me 🇺🇦 16:45, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

Industrial agriculture: Case opened
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Draft:Kiss of Life (EP)
It has been more than 24 hours since you stated that you are reviewing the submission. However, you have edited elsewhere since putting the draft review on hold, do you intend to finish reviewing it? Lightoil (talk) 23:50, 25 October 2023 (UTC)
 * User:Lightoil - I made the mistake of marking it as under review and then going to bed. I have made this mistake before.  I will take care of it.  Robert McClenon (talk) 00:07, 26 October 2023 (UTC)

Mos terrorist
This discussion, if you are already aware, all good. Selfstudier (talk) 16:10, 26 October 2023 (UTC)

Your submission at Articles for creation: Septenary numeral system (October 27)
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Your submission at Articles for creation: Septenary numeral system (October 27)
 Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed. Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reasons left by Robert McClenon were:

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Robert McClenon (talk) 20:28, 27 October 2023 (UTC)

Draft: Zhou Yiran
Hi, can you explain more about what I should do to improve it? Is it correct that I should add it below the short description? Thanks! Unleashgift (talk) 05:31, 30 October 2023 (UTC)
 * User:Unleashgift - First, to clarify, I did not decline your draft. I only commented on it.  However, there is already an article on Zhou Yiran, who is a different person.  If your draft should be accepted, we would be having two articles on two people with the same name, so that your draft will have to be disambiguated.  Please read about disambiguation, which is an important process in Wikipedia, especially with people and places.  (For an example with a place, look up Montgomery County.)  I have not made a recommendation on how the two articles should be differentiated, but that must be done if your person is notable.  I hope that this sort of answers your question as well as giving you some reading.  Robert McClenon (talk) 05:44, 30 October 2023 (UTC)

Feedback request: Religion and philosophy request for comment
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November Articles for creation backlog drive
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Draft:ADOR
Hi, I've seen your comment on the draft and, while I do understand that it might be too soon, could you clarify what do you mean with "written by the viewpoint of the company"? I'm not really sure what you're referring to so I'm having trouble fixing it. Thank you! Poirot09 (talk) 19:52, 4 November 2023 (UTC)


 * I am not Robert McClenon, but I believe he meant that the draft needs more sources that are not affiliated with the company. Using the company(or articles written by the company) as a source represents only a single viewpoint. Ca talk to me! 00:24, 8 November 2023 (UTC)
 * User:Poirot09 - User:Ca is right. There are two issues.  First, because this is a division of a parent company, it can be described in the article about the parent company, which makes the bar to establish corporate notability somewhat higher.  Second, the article did not appear to say anything about what third parties have said about the company or division.  It is indepedent coverage that makes a company or division notable.  Robert McClenon (talk) 02:31, 8 November 2023 (UTC)

Forgotten draft?
Hi, I think you forgot to review this draft after putting the "under review" tag : Draft:Typhoon Bolaven (2023) Ca talk to me! 00:23, 8 November 2023 (UTC)
 * User:Ca - Yes. I was distracted by a death in my family.  I have accepted it.  Robert McClenon (talk) 02:22, 8 November 2023 (UTC)

Draft:JackSucksAtLife
Hi, sorry if this is stupid, and if this is the wrong place to put this, but I really dont understand how he is not notable enough. There are other youtubers with less subsribers and coverage who have got wikipedia articles. I get the previous drafts for him, 2020 and 2018, he was not notable. But now in 2023 I feel like he should be. Mynameduck361 (talk) 07:34, 8 November 2023 (UTC)

Feedback request: Language and linguistics request for comment
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Request for Dispute Resolution re Cooman Article
Hello there, I listed a request for dispute resolution in relation to the above article Cooman. It appears that the request was declined because no volunteer editors responded to the request. Given that the dispute is primariy about the neutrality of the article, is it appropriate for me to relist the dispute on the Neutrality noticeboard? Would that be considered forum shopping? I am reluctant to go down the road of a formal RfC at this stage because I think an informal process might be sufficient. Aemilius Adolphin (talk) 22:16, 13 November 2023 (UTC)
 * User:Aemilius Adolphin - Yes, asking for the comments of other editors at the neutral point of view noticeboard is a reasonable idea. It isn't forum shopping because you aren't in DRN or any alternate forum.  Please notify the other editors.  Yes, NPOVN is a reasonable next step.  Robert McClenon (talk) 22:38, 13 November 2023 (UTC)
 * OK, I'll do that. Thanks for your help. Aemilius Adolphin (talk) 22:46, 13 November 2023 (UTC)

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Horst Wessel dispute resolution
Hi there. I have not edited the above page nor been involved in the dispute. I would like to say something regarding the dispute resolution. Could you tell me (a) if that is okay, and (b) in what section I should be writing. Thanks. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 17:59, 15 November 2023 (UTC)
 * User:Sirfurboy - An outside opinion is usually welcome, and is welcome in this case. Please enter your statement in the First Statements by Editors.  I will decide whether to add you to the parties.  Maybe an outside opinion might be a third idea.  Go ahead and offer your view.  Robert McClenon (talk) 18:44, 15 November 2023 (UTC)

Deletion review:Annamalai K
User:Robert McClenon,The draft space Draft:K. Annamalai (BJP politician) is been adequately cited with reputed sources and the notability shall now be easily recognized. But the deletion was endorsed citing lack of consensus without looking into the substance of the matter carefully! I request you to take a look into the issue, Thanks. - Vaikunda Raja  :talk:  02:23, 13 November 2023 (UTC)
 * User:Vaikunda Raja - I am not sure what you are asking. The Deletion Review is still open.  The draft is waiting for the closure of the Deletion Review.  I have read the draft, and it is not neutrally written.  It was written to praise the subject rather than to describe his career neutrally.  I am advising you to leave the matter alone until the Deletion Review is closed.  Robert McClenon (talk) 17:57, 13 November 2023 (UTC)
 * User:Robert McClenon,The deletion review was briefly closed by User:Pppery yesterday and so I messaged you. However the closure seems to be accidental and it was reverted back.
 * Meanwhile, regarding the tone of the article, I had made few changes; removed few statements with unverified claims and cited others. There are several sentences which appears as to praise the subject. But those are not my claims to my best and are in consistent with the respective references in the inline citations and I request you to verify them.
 * Every taller claims are cited with highly reputed sources and several among them with multiple ones. However, it would be helpful if you point to specific statements which you feel as those with POVs. Thanks - Vaikunda Raja  :talk:  09:46, 14 November 2023 (UTC)
 * User:Vaikunda Raja - I am having difficulty parsing the first sentence. Have you considered editing the Wikipedia in your first language?  Robert McClenon (talk) 05:10, 15 November 2023 (UTC)
 * User:Robert McClenon, I occasionally edit Tamil Wikipedia but rare in recent times. It seems that you are uncomfortable with my phrasing of sentences. If so I request you to make/suggest necessary changes. - Vaikunda Raja  :talk:  14:07, 16 November 2023 (UTC)

Help with improving my article
How could I improve my Mellowship Slinky in B Major article draft? Sorry if this is a wrong or bad time to ask. Newtatoryd222 (talk) 13:57, 16 November 2023 (UTC)
 * User:Newtatoryd222 - First, read the musical notability criteria again, and in particular the song notability criteria. Second, the single should satisfy general notability, which is based primarily on significant coverage by independent sources.  The draft didn't show me evidence of significant coverage.  Third, has the single charted?  Fourth, please ask for the opinions of other editors at the Teahouse or a music project. Robert McClenon (talk) 15:51, 16 November 2023 (UTC)
 * The song was never released as a single from blood sugar sex magik . or at least not to my knowledge. Newtatoryd222 (talk) 15:54, 16 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Also, what are some good independent sources? I’d like some exact links if possible. But if not that’s fine. I’d be happy to add them if they have coverage on songs that I have made article drafts for. Newtatoryd222 (talk) 16:32, 16 November 2023 (UTC)
 * User:Newtatoryd222 - If the song was never released as a single, that reduces the likelihood that there would be independent sources about it. I don't know what any independent sources would be, and you might be more likely to get an answer to that question at a music project.  Robert McClenon (talk) 17:33, 16 November 2023 (UTC)

Malcolm Merlyn
I have provided a source which discusses some of the many distinction between the character of Merlyn from the comics and the Arrowverse. Questions? four Olifanofmrtennant (she/her) 05:46, 18 November 2023 (UTC)
 * User:OlifanofmrTennant - My first preference, as I have noted, is to have one article cover the character in both the comics and the Arrowverse. I do not care which version is the primary.  However, if other editors think that there should be two articles, I will accept a consensus at WikiProject Comics or WikiProject Fictional Characters.  So I suggest that you discuss at a project.  If they agree.I will accept the draft.  So start a discussion.  Robert McClenon (talk) 08:09, 18 November 2023 (UTC)

Draft:Mojito (song)
Are you still reviewing this draft? – robertsky (talk) 13:34, 18 November 2023 (UTC)
 * User:Robertsky - I don't think so. I have unmarked it.  You have done the analysis of the title.  Robert McClenon (talk) 16:02, 18 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks! and done! :D – robertsky (talk) 16:28, 18 November 2023 (UTC)

Request on 20:39:31, 18 November 2023 for assistance on AfC submission by Pedantic Aristotle
Hi Robert, thanks for reviewing the draft. I'm confused, as the article was a proposal for a spin-off Public image of Javier Milei, but someone moved the article to Draft:Javier Milei. Now it was rejected twice because the article already exists, but the purpose was to open a spin-off, since the main article has grown large, and the topics are not as relevant for a biography. The initial proposal was a copy from the main article, and was rejected because it contained non-relevant content. I then updated it, and now its rejected because its different from the main article. How do i proceed with fixing the article, and proposing an article for Public image of Javier Milei? Thanks!

Pedantic Aristotle (talk) 20:39, 18 November 2023 (UTC)
 * User:Pedantic Aristotle - Rename the draft. You rename a draft, just like an article or a redirect, by moving it.  Move it to Draft:Public image of Javier Milei.  Robert McClenon (talk) 22:48, 18 November 2023 (UTC)

✅, for reasons that are easier to do than explain. Robert McClenon (talk) 22:52, 18 November 2023 (UTC)

Disambiguation boilerplate
Hi there Robert, hope you're doing great! I want to ask if there's a boilerplate you're using for this message you always drop in a draft regarding the title of the draft being disambiguated and may require to be added to the necessary disambiguation page... Bla bla bla.

Is there an actual boilerplate or you just keep typing that every time?

Would love to know. Regards, Vanderwaalforces (talk) 19:06, 19 November 2023 (UTC)
 * User:Vanderwaalforces - Look at Template:Adddisamb. For a similar but slightly different situation, look at Template:Addhat.  Robert McClenon (talk) 21:20, 19 November 2023 (UTC)
 * @Robert McClenon Plenty of thanks! Vanderwaalforces (talk) 21:22, 19 November 2023 (UTC)
 * And I never subst the template. I let the bot do that for me.  But it really doesn't matter whether it is substituted.  Robert McClenon (talk) 21:25, 19 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Okay, noted, thank you. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 21:32, 19 November 2023 (UTC)

Watchlist (play)
Hi Robert, I'm interested in starting an article on this play and there are many third-party sources. Did an article previously exist and has it been deleted? SerenaDruryLane (talk) 11:26, 21 November 2023 (UTC)
 * User:SerenaDruryLane - I see no evidence of an article having been deleted. Go ahead and submit a draft for review.  Robert McClenon (talk) 14:38, 21 November 2023 (UTC)

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RfC closure request
Hi Robert. This message is in reference to an RfC that was created on 5th October 2023 after a lengthy discussion which you moderated. It has already been 30+ days and I think there has been a consensus. Can I ask for a closure request from you or should I create one at the Closure Request page? Tms369 (talk) 07:55, 12 November 2023 (UTC)
 * User:Tms369 - I thought of making a closure request on the Closure Requests page, but I concluded that there was a rough consensus, and I had been neutral and so was uninvolved, and I have closed it. Robert McClenon (talk) 18:03, 13 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you. Tms369 (talk) 09:15, 14 November 2023 (UTC)

November thanks
Thank you for standing again to become arbitrator! My story today is Canticle I: My beloved is mine and I am his, - the composer, born OTD 110 years ago, didn't want it shorter (but the publisher), - more here. -- Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:00, 22 November 2023 (UTC)

Thank you for a reply to my cand question. I may discuss it after tomorrow's concert when we will sing the Mozart and listen to Pärt's urgent call for peace played by the strings, - I'm not in the mood before ;) - I mentioned Pärt for a reason, could have been Beethoven as well, in other words: I believe it's time for a fresh look, as we were told 10 years ago. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:41, 25 November 2023 (UTC)

User Talk:Gerda Arendt --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:05, 26 November 2023 (UTC)

Regarding your answer: while I agree with better listening to music that editing while angry, I don't support any summarily description of editors as "disliking all infoboxes", which will never be true. My question was not meant about the RfC itself, but rather what it means for a future that obviously editors are able to discuss in civility, so why regard the topic as war-zone? I saw that you modified your answer, - perhaps amend further ;) - Did you see in the answer by arbitrator Wugapodes that a revision of infobox recommendations is drafted? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:24, 27 November 2023 (UTC)

Today: in memoriam Jerome Kohl who said (In Freundschaft): "and I hope that they have met again in the beyond and are making joyous music together" --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:20, 27 November 2023 (UTC)

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User talk:Robert McClenon/Step Brother from the Same Planet
Hello, Robert,

I think you probably intended to move this page somewhere other than your own User space. Can you explain again why you move articles from Draft space to your user space before sending them to main space? Thanks. Liz Read! Talk! 03:49, 28 November 2023 (UTC)
 * User:Liz - I do not move articles from draft space to my user space and then to main space. What I do is the opposite.  I move a redirect with history from article space to user space.  Then I accept a draft.  Then I move the redirect with history to draft space.  This is to preserve the history, and then I retarget the redirect to point from draft space to article space.  In this case, it appears that, when I moved the history from my user space to draft space, I must have unchecked the box that says to move the talk page also.  So I left the talk page that has nothing but a warning anyway.  I will tag it for G8 as an orphaned talk page.  I apparently accidentally unchecked a box; that seems to be what happened.  Robert McClenon (talk) 06:12, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

Feedback request: Wikipedia policies and guidelines request for comment
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Not a sentence fragment
Hello Robert McClenon. I just wanted to stop by to say that we can agree that we disagree. The sentence of my proposal is not a sentence fragment. Maybe the sentence is too wordy, or jumbled, or meandering or not straightforward in some opinions, which may have caused you to not understand it. But it is not a sentence fragment, as it has a predicate, a subject, and a complete thought. Regards, Thinker78  (talk) 00:34, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
 * User:Thinker78 - You asked, in the RFC: Should the "SmallCat" guideline be replaced with "Small with potential for growth".  The words in quotes do not have a verb.  That is a phrase, not a clause or a sentence, so it looks to me like a sentence fragment.  I understand that you expected the reader to backtrack, and insert that phrase into a guideline that was somewhere else.  You didn't tell me where the rest of the sentence was, so I was looking at a fragment.  You were probably sending me off on a backtracking hunt, which is why I said that you were not providing context.  Robert McClenon (talk) 06:28, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Hmmmm. But there was a colon after that.
 * The text within quotes is the name of the guideline, after the colon is probably the context you were looking for and for some reason you did not see. I mean it was literally part of the RfC. I don't know why you only looked at the part before the colon. Regards, Thinker78  (talk) 19:39, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
 * User:Thinker78 - What is the sentence that I didn't see? I am still trying to figure out what you are telling me should have been obvious to me.  It still isn't obvious to me.  Robert McClenon (talk) 06:18, 28 November 2023 (UTC)
 * You are talking that "Should the "SmallCat" guideline be replaced with "Small with potential for growth" is a phrase, not a clause or a sentence, so it looks to me like a sentence fragment.
 * I am pointing out that is not the RfC, that is part of it, that is just the name of the guideline. The complete sentence in the RfC, as previously indicated is,
 * Sincerely, Thinker78  (talk) 17:47, 28 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Sincerely, Thinker78  (talk) 17:47, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

(I have requested third opinion on this issue. Regards, Thinker78  (talk) 20:09, 10 December 2023 (UTC) )
 * No idea why you keep insisting in showcasing only part of the RfC I published. Here is the complete RfC I made. I do strongly think you skimmed it, only saw part of it and decided it didn't have context because you didn't read the whole thing. Sincerely, Thinker78  (talk) 03:04, 11 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Also, regarding the horse is dead, I was sick with dengue and had to stay away from the pc for a week. Anyways, you left the discussion hanging without proper clarification. Not really what I would like to see in an arbitrator but anyways, the system is far from perfect. Sincerely, Thinker78  (talk) 03:08, 11 December 2023 (UTC)

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Draft submitted - Merlin Sheldrake
Hello Robert, I noted there was a draft/ declined page for Merlin Sheldrake. Upon inspection, I noted there were insufficient references - and have corrected this with the addition of references for both notability/ notewortiness and academic research. When I submitted the draft for approval - I was given an automated message regarding a "deprecated source" - I do not know what this is in reference to. I believe that the sources are now valid - and that this issue has been addressed. Please let me know if I am missing something. Here is a link to the draft: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Merlin_Sheldrake

Kind regards, Science and such (talk) 16:50, 5 December 2023 (UTC)


 * I've submitted the draft for review. You could have done the same by hitting the "Resubmit" button in the big AFC box at the top of the draft. Good luck! - UtherSRG (talk) 16:59, 5 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you! I only saw the 'publish' button and used that.
 * Should have been more efficient.
 * Appreciated. Science and such (talk) 17:22, 5 December 2023 (UTC)

How do I make a disambiguation page?
Do I make one how i would make an article draft? Newtatoryd222 (talk) 14:20, 6 December 2023 (UTC)

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WP:DRN on La Salida
Hello! Just wanted to reach out about the WP:DRN on La Salida since the other discussion has now been archived. Would we still be able to open the dispute resolution process on La Salida? Thank you! WMrapids (talk) 19:51, 9 December 2023 (UTC)
 * User:WMrapids - Yes. Go ahead and file, but I am at this point taking you at your word that the discussion has been completed and there is still a content dispute.  I will review the history again if you file a new request.  Robert McClenon (talk) 23:41, 11 December 2023 (UTC)

Thank you
Dear Robert McClenon

I want to say thank you for providing dispute resolution at Dispute resolution noticeboard/Archive 222 in the past. I know I made mistakes in the process, and I admit I kind of burned out from wikipedia from a while following the dispute and I'm still heasitant to do edits in some areas of psychology in fear of a similar DRN. But without your support as a neutral mediator I probably wouldn't of came back at all. Darcyisvery cute (talk) 23:44, 13 December 2023 (UTC)

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Ukrainian language
Thank you for offering to mediate the resolution of the dispute at Talk:Ukrainian language.

Evidently, and  are not currently interested in discussing the disputed article content (and indeed they don't have to).

My previous attempts at dispute resolution, at WP:3O and WP:NPOVN, resulted in recommendations by and, correspondingly, to include the historic language names in the article. Rsk6400 opted not to follow their recommendations (and indeed he didn't have to).

WP:ONUS means that if the non-NPOV party abstains from participation in dispute resolution, then the non-NPOV remains in the article indefinitely.

WP:AC, being the only source of resolutions that are binding, unanimously declined my request to get involved in this content dispute.

Is there still any recourse available to break the standstill that this dispute is in? Crash48 (talk) 11:02, 19 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Crash48, please don't judge my intentions by what was said by other people. At the arbitration case you already claimed that Mzajac "formulated" my "attitude". Every editor speaks for themself, and there are several editors that disagree with you, among them really excellent editors. Robert McClenon, my apologies for intruding here. Rsk6400 (talk) 12:07, 19 November 2023 (UTC)
 * User:Crash48 - You said that the Arbitration Committee is the only source of resolution that is binding. Maybe you did not read the dispute resolution policy in sufficient detail.  The Arbitration Committee is a binding forum for conduct disputes.  This is a content dispute.  The binding resolution for content disputes is a Request for Comments.  Do you want assistance in formulating a neutrally worded Request for Comments?  Robert McClenon (talk) 16:29, 19 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Yes please, that would be much appreciated. Crash48 (talk) 08:11, 20 November 2023 (UTC)
 * User:Crash48 - Please go to DRN and open a case request. When the other editors decline to participate, I can accept the case as a one-person request for an RFC.  If anyone accepts the case, then we will have moderated discussion.  Robert McClenon (talk) 08:21, 20 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Now that has shown no interest in discussing the disputed article content, confirming my statement at the start of this thread -- should the content dispute proceed as a one-person RFC? A case at AE, if I understand correctly, would not address the content issues. Crash48 (talk) 20:06, 23 December 2023 (UTC)
 * User:Crash48 - Yes, you can start an RFC as to whether to add the Names section to the article. If you want me to start the RFC for you, I will do that.  It is always better to get content disputes resolved as content disputes, because this sometimes causes the problematic conduct to subside.  Robert McClenon (talk) 05:51, 24 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Robert McClenon, are you sure that offering help to one party in a dispute you tried to moderate is a good idea ? Rsk6400 (talk) 07:43, 24 December 2023 (UTC)
 * User:Rsk6400 - No apology required. A user talk page is a public place.  Robert McClenon (talk) 16:29, 19 November 2023 (UTC)

Draft "Stefano Caselli" (hatnote - disambiguation)
Hello Robert, would you be so kind as to clarify why in the draft of the ENG page "Stefano Caselli" you indicated the following?

I quote: "The title of this draft either has been disambiguated or will require disambiguation if accepted. If this draft is accepted, a hatnote will need to be added to the primary page to refer to this page. If there is already a hatnote on the primary page, please review whether a disambiguation page is in order instead." I am not aware of any other "Stefano Caselli" pages on Wikipedia ENG.

Thank you in advance for your feedback, and have a great day! Vmfmaggi (talk) 09:27, 20 December 2023 (UTC)
 * User:Vmfmaggi - You say that you are not aware of any other Stefano Caselli page on the English Wikipedia, and there is currently no such page. However, there was a Stefano Caselli page on 27 October when I put that note on the draft.  It had no footnotes, and I nominated it for deletion in Articles for deletion/Stefano Caselli.  It was then deleted.  I will strike through my comment on the draft, because it is no longer correct.  Robert McClenon (talk) 05:59, 24 December 2023 (UTC)

Feedback : Zhou_Yiran
Hi, The major roles of the subject are Da Lijiao in Run for Young, Zhao Sanyue in Song of Life and Jin Lina in Across the Furious Sea. Unleashgift (talk) 19:58, 24 December 2023 (UTC)
 * User:Unleashgift - I have reviewed the draft, and my opinion is that the roles that you have listed are not major roles in the sense of the acting notability guideline because they are not described in other Wikipedia articles as major roles. Maybe they have been major roles, in which case the articles on the films or television shows should be expanded.  That is my advice.  You might get better advice at the Teahouse.  Robert McClenon (talk) 06:29, 25 December 2023 (UTC)

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 * User:Robertsky - Does the name of this barnstar take the user's declared gender into account? Robert McClenon (talk) 06:47, 27 December 2023 (UTC)
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I don't understand...
@Robert McClenon: Hey, I don't understand why you declined Draft:Kinect Sports as Kinect Sports (video game) is an article about the first game. Not the series. The last person declined it for the same reason! The page I made is for the series. Not the game. Take a look at it again please. MKsLifeInANutshell (talk) 05:35, 27 December 2023 (UTC)
 * User:MKsLifeInANutshell - I wasn't the only reviewer who was confused, so I think that the naming was ambiguous. See if the renaming that I have done clarifies things.  Robert McClenon (talk) 06:39, 27 December 2023 (UTC)

Draft for Rana Tharu and Sonha language
Why do i need consenses on creating articles for separate Indo-Aryan languages? Sonha is a separate language from the main Tharu languages of the Indo Aryan language family and although it has lexical similarities with other Tharu languages and not varities it is still a separate language with its own grammatical features, and more. Additionally these languages have their own iso codes and glottolog reference codes and names. 2600:1700:2F01:CDC0:CDB:CEB6:91A7:23BB (talk) 05:37, 27 December 2023 (UTC)

Cole Pennington
I deleted the redirect Cole Pennington, so you can do the honours of moving the draft into mainspace.- gadfium 18:34, 28 December 2023 (UTC)

drn
Hey, Robert, I hope I wasn't out of line here. Valereee (talk) 19:22, 29 December 2023 (UTC)
 * User:Valereee - No problem. You and I had a race condition, which is known in Wikipedia as an edit conflict.  I prefer to think of them as race conditions, because I dealt with them on systems used by the US Government also.  I changed my closing message because of your comment, but it didn't change the fact that I was going to close the case as declined by Levivich.  Disputes about contentious topics are the worst part of DRN anyway.  I just failed one, and then both editors were topic-banned at Arbitration Enforcement.  Your comment was not a problem.  Robert McClenon (talk) 20:00, 29 December 2023 (UTC)

ACE2023 thanks
Hello Robert McClenon, thank you for being a candidate for the arbitration committee. Unfortunately, you have not been elected to the committee. The results of the election are available here: Arbitration Committee Elections December 2023. Best regards, — xaosflux  Talk 01:45, 30 December 2023 (UTC)


 * Commiserations, Robert. I voted for you—again—and will do so next time, if you want to keep trying. You'd obviously make a fantastic arb and I can't understand the fixation on candidates being admins. –&#8239;Joe (talk) 01:55, 30 December 2023 (UTC)
 * User:Joe Roe - Well, I think that some editors have a concept similar to the cursus honorum, a sequence of positions. I also didn't answer some of the questions quickly enough, which was partly my fault and partly the fault of the timetable.  And someone may nomnate me for admin this year.  The problem that I anticipate if that happens is that I haven't been on the unwritten step before admin of article creator.  Robert McClenon (talk) 02:26, 30 December 2023 (UTC)

I'd also like to thank you for volunteering (again!) to serve on the Arbitration Committee. I personally felt you would be one of the best suited for the position, admin or not, considering your background in dispute resolution. Honestly, I've said it before and I'll say it again: Arbcom should have around three seats reserved for non-admins for three primary reasons. Firstly, non-admins often have a different perspective to long-term administrators, helping to reduce the potential for groupthink. Differing viewpoints could have helped reduce several messes resulting from poorly-articulated ArbCom decisions. Sometimes, all people need is a little "Hey, does that really say what you're trying to say?" to re-read what they wrote and modify it. Secondly, non-admins are usually less a part of Wikipedia's various "inner circles". ArbCom has a tendency to only consist of extremely long-term and influential administrators, many of whom are heavily involved in various Wikipedia-related off-wiki activities, often resembling a good 'ol boys club. Non-admins elected to the committee would help break this up. Lastly, but not of least importance, administrators who have been around a long time tend to lean more aggressively on sanctions in a way that non-admins are not. Some users just need an olive branch and a discussion rather than punishments like blocks or bans. It often feels like if something goes to ArbCom, someone or multiple someones are getting banned from at least portions of the encyclopedia.

It is unfortunate that other users do not agree that having a couple non-admins on ArbCom is a good thing, especially one with a long history of dispute resolution experience that you possess. I will say that I am glad to see you at least got a 58% supporting threshold, indicating that more users than not were favorable to the idea.

Anyways, I'll stop being the bitter old admin grousing on your talk page. ;) If you ever choose to run again, I'll be happy to support you again. Thanks again for volunteering your time. Cheers! Reaper Eternal (talk) 03:32, 30 December 2023 (UTC)


 * Even though you technically had the lowest support percentage of the election, you still&mdash;as a regular editor with no special permissions&mdash;managed to garner nearly 60% of the vote in your favor. For me, that speaks to your abilities as a mediator and a source of thoughtful input, which is why I voted for you and am disappointed to see that you didn't get in. Maybe next time. Kurtis (talk) 07:17, 31 December 2023 (UTC)

Falcon 9 B1058‎
Didn't know move to limbo was allowed. Thought I had to wait for the db-g6 to get handled...Naraht (talk) 17:59, 30 December 2023 (UTC)
 * User:Naraht - The move to limbo is nowhere either authorized or forbidden. I just do it.  Do you have the Page Mover privilege?  You need the Page Mover privilege to be able to suppress the redirect from the move, which is in turn necessary in order to leave the title in article space blank so that the draft can be promoted.  Robert McClenon (talk) 18:20, 30 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Yes, I do (I think you have to have Page Mover in order to have Reviewer). Thanx.Naraht (talk) 18:48, 30 December 2023 (UTC)
 * User:Naraht - I don't think that you have to have Page Mover to be a Reviewer. Reviewers who don't have Page Mover are why there are db-move and db-afc-move templates, so that the reviewer can request that the blocking redirect be deleted.  If the reviewer has Page Mover, they don't need to use those tags, because they can shove the blocking redirect into limbo and then tag it with db-moved or something similar.  Robert McClenon (talk) 19:42, 30 December 2023 (UTC)
 * OK. I'm over 100,000 edits, so I didn't even notice when I got some of those abilities. I'll move the blocking redirects into Limbo from now on.Naraht (talk) 20:54, 30 December 2023 (UTC)
 * User:Naraht - Tag them for deletion when you move them, so that they don't just sit there.  Robert McClenon (talk) 21:43, 30 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Sure db-g6 and move. Naraht (talk) 21:48, 30 December 2023 (UTC)