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DYK nomination of Niya (mythology)
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DYK nomination of Niya (mythology)
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DYK for Niya (mythology)
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Featuring your work on Wikipedia's front page: DYKs
Thank you for your recent articles, including Lel and Polel, which I read with interest. When you create an extensive and well referenced article, you may want to have it featured on Wikipedia's main page in the Did You Know section. Articles included there will be read by thousands of our viewers. To do so, add your article to the list at T:TDYK. Let me know if you need help, Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 06:38, 25 June 2020 (UTC)

Divine twins
Could you add a mention of Lel and Polel there? --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 04:59, 23 July 2020 (UTC)

DYK for Lel and Polel
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DYK nomination of Slavic creation myths
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Alatyr
I just moved this over from the Russian wiki, Draft:Alatyr (mythology). Want to take a look at it? If it goes to DYK, I'll split credit with you. --evrik (talk) 22:01, 13 October 2020 (UTC)
 * I was sick for a few days and couldn't focus on writing anything, but I think I'm ok now. I'll look into it. Sławobóg (talk) 07:24, 14 October 2020 (UTC)
 * When you think it's done, submit it for approval. We can share the DYK credit. --evrik (talk) 02:45, 17 October 2020 (UTC)
 * I'm trying to find sources for etymology but I'm failing. Can you try to find it? Sławobóg (talk) 21:07, 21 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Not the best source, but I think the article can go live. --evrik (talk) 18:50, 23 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Give me some more time. A lot of is unsourced here. Sławobóg (talk) 20:27, 23 November 2020 (UTC)

DYK for Slavic creation myth
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Thank you for your recent articles, including Dziady (wandering beggars), which I read with interest. When you create a new article, can you add the WikiProject assessment templates to the talk of that article? See the talk page of the article I mentioned for an example of what I mean. Usually it is very simple, you just add something like to the article's talk, with keyword replaced by the associated WikiProject (ex. if it's a biography article, you would use WikiProject Biography; if it's a United States article, you would use WikiProject United States, and so on). You do not have to rate the article if you do not want to, others will do it eventually. Those templates are very useful, as they bring the articles to a WikiProject attention, and allow them to start tracking the articles through Article alerts and other tools. For example, WikiProject Poland relies on such templates to generate listings such as Article Alerts, Popular Pages, Quality and Importance Matrix and the Cleanup Listing. Thanks to them, WikiProject members are more easily able to defend your work from deletion, or simply help try to improve it further. Feel free to ask me any questions if you'd like more information about using those talk page templates. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 09:09, 12 November 2020 (UTC)

DYK for Alatyr (mythology)
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December 2020
Please stop attacking other editors, as you did on Talk:Slavic Native Faith. If you continue, you may be blocked from editing. Comment on content, not on other contributors or people. The very next personal attack you direct at Æo (or any other editor) on that talk page will result in an ANI filing.   Ravenswing     12:45, 14 December 2020 (UTC)
 * can you show me where exactly am I attacking someone personally? Sławobóg (talk) 13:32, 14 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Are you deliberately being obtuse? "You lie again" is just the latest of your several unwarranted and uncivil insults to Æo on that talk page.   Ravenswing     22:57, 14 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Are you deliberately being obtuse? I listed examples of lies of this user. Sławobóg (talk) 09:03, 15 December 2020 (UTC)
 * No, you did not: you listed areas where you disagree with the editor. Your personal opinion does not constitute inerrant fact, and disagreeing with you does not constitute intentional deception.  You have consistently characterized his positions as "lies" and "manipulation," and those are personal attacks which violate Wikipedia's civility policies.  Do not commit these again.   Ravenswing      16:26, 16 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Yes, I did: I gave example of redirecting Krodo to Rod without single source (even stupid or dated - not NPOV, unsourced) - it was just his personal ideology. After I updated article with sources and scholars' many different opinions, he accused me of promoting my own opinions and favorite scientists. Sławobóg (talk) 16:42, 16 December 2020 (UTC)

Svarožic
Nice article. Try DYKing it, now made much more easy with User:SD0001/DYK-helper. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 04:41, 30 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Can I put 2 articles into single DYK? Sławobóg (talk) 17:22, 1 April 2021 (UTC)
 * , Yes, this is allowed, and the template should support this. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 03:44, 2 April 2021 (UTC)

Deities of Slavic religion
Hello, Slawobog. While researching folkloric material, I found a citation by professor Monika Krapej about a Slovene being named Jutrman, possibly related to dawn.

Another deity of obscure origins is a goddess named Zimtserla (see: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Deities_of_Slavic_religion#Simzerla,_deity_of_dawn_and_flowers?). 189.122.57.144 (talk) 23:45, 8 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Hello. Jutrman is interesting, but I would look into literature mentioned there by Krapej for more information. Zimtserla is probably pseudo-goddess forged in 19th century. As far I as know all gods that exist in 19th century books but not in modern literature are fakelore or misunderstanding of some personal names or spirits. I'm working on article about pseudo-deities right know. Sławobóg (talk) 10:06, 9 April 2021 (UTC)

Map requests
Hello!

I saw that you requested .svg versions of some maps. I created some based of the maps you wanted and uploaded them here:

I hope I could be of help!

Revilo


 * Hey, maps look very good. I have only one more request: can you zoom in these maps so they focus more on stuff they explain? Because for now they show too much unnecessary terrain even outside of Europe. It is problematic especially for tribes one, because you can't see text at all. Great Moravia could also use a zoom, but not necessary that much. Sławobóg (talk) 08:57, 3 May 2021 (UTC)
 * , I zoomed in a bit on the maps. I don't think there is a smart way of making the labels on the tribes one legible in the small preview, so one needs to open the file to read them. I still hope that they are acceptable. Revilo1803 (talk) 13:40, 3 May 2021 (UTC)
 * This is much better, I think you zoomed Great Moravia too much maybe? Second version was better IMO, there were more "reference points". Tribes, are better than original and can't be better. I'll experiment with different fonts later, maybe. Thank you for you work. Sławobóg (talk) 14:57, 3 May 2021 (UTC)

List of Slavic pseudo-deities
Dzień dobry państwu (panu, panie, paniczku, panienkę, paniulkię, ....)!

Your new article reminded me that for a long time I wanted to write an article on pseudo-mythology, which I started right now. Although I tagged it under construction as a protection from drive-by deletionsit wikignomes while I am living my real life, I would very much like for you to contribute to it at any time. Lembit Staan (talk) 21:20, 24 May 2021 (UTC)

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In the words of Larry Sanger wikipedia's neutrality is dead.
I understand that you wanted to change the List of Slavic deities to be more accurate and have created the List of Slavic pseudo-deities to cover the rest but come on. How is the following admirable on here: ″Václav Hájek, a Czech chronicler who is accused of making up many events in his work, lists the deities in his Chronicle: Klimba, Krasatina, Krosina. ″ at least find some sources that agree with you. And no, no it doesn't matter if you're right or not. Without a source that's at best original research - which is a no-no on here.

They say the way to hell is paved with good intentions, well, that whole section reads like you have an agenda. And you do have an agenda, one that seems to be commendable at first glance, to spread accurate information about the Slavic pantheon and folklore, but that's not the language you should be using on here.

"Slavic creation myth" - reference used for fairy tale and myth comparison: a thank you
Hello, Slawobog. I'd just like to let you know that two references you added to the "Slavic creation myth" article (Religia Slowian/Toporov and the Dobrzan Land/Egg Princess) were used in two other articles about fairy tale ad myth comparison ("The Love for Three Oranges (fairy tale)" and "World Tree") - with the due credit. So, I'd like to thank you.189.122.57.144 (talk) 19:59, 17 June 2021 (UTC)

Requesting some article expansion help
Greetings,

Requesting you to visit Draft:Avret Esir Pazarları, an article about non-elite common women slavery in Ottoman times, and pl. do help expand the same if topic interests you.

Thanks and warm regards

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Jesza
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Waligóra and and Wyrwidąb
Hello, Slawobog. Not to mock or belittle their legend, but one thing I noticed is that their names (and meanings) seem to reoccur in fairy tales that are classified in the Aarne-Thompson-Uther Index as ATU 301 and AaTh 301B. In Slavic variants, they may appear as Gorynya-Bogatyr and Dubynya-Bogatyr, Vertogor/Vertigor ("Twist-Mountain") and Vertodub ("Twist-Oaks"), and the like. Could there be any connection?

"The Witch and Sister of the Sun"

"Ivan Medvedko, Usynya, Gorynya and Dubynya Bogatyrs" 189.122.57.144 (talk) 01:58, 4 October 2021 (UTC)


 * Addendum: Found an article on them: https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%93%D0%BE%D1%80%D1%8B%D0%BD%D1%8F,_%D0%94%D1%83%D0%B1%D1%8B%D0%BD%D1%8F_%D0%B8_%D0%A3%D1%81%D1%8B%D0%BD%D1%8F

However, similarly named characters appear in the context of a widespread European tale called "Jean de l'Ours" (Western European counterpart to Slavic Ivan Medvedko): French "Tord-Chêne" and "Tranche-Montagne" ("Twistoak" and "Cutmountain"). 189.122.57.144 (talk) 02:05, 4 October 2021 (UTC)

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Radogost
Hello, you recently made some wholesale edits to the Radogost (mythology) page, including changing its name. While I'm sure your intent is good (I won't accuse you of vandalism, the way you accused me), that type of transformation has to be discussed on the talk page. I reverted your edit because I don't know what your motive is (your edit summaries did not clearly indicate what the purpose of the changes was). By undoing my revert, you are now engaged in an edit war with me. I assume you must know that this is not acceptable. Rather than fighting about this, please bring your concerns to the talk page so they can be discussed in a civil manner. I'm sure that if you can present your reasoning in a sufficiently clear manner, I have no reason to disagree with you. Thank you. Revirvlkodlaku (talk) 23:40, 20 March 2022 (UTC)


 * Moving article to another name is explained - this name is used in +90% of modern scientific publications. There is nothing to discuss here: article is missing many references, is incompatible with the rule of WP:BALANCE ( +95% scholars believe that Radogost = Svarozhits, or that the name of the city was mistaken for the god of that city, calling Radogost "god of hospitality" in the infobox (just because some old, uncritical sources) is just massive violation of WP:NPOV, there is general agreement about Radogost being only Polabian "theonym" so East Slavic rivers can't be named after him, minor idea ), WP:RS ( Ivan Hudec was a poet and politician - not an authority on the subject, you might as well ask the painter's opinion ) and it's also horribly narrated. My article cointans very similar informations but with better references, explains mainstream POV, is more detailed and has better editing - this why I call your reverts "vandalism" - you are literally reverting article with similar content to worse version. All articles about Slavic mythology are terrible and they need to be rewritten. Sławobóg (talk) 08:19, 21 March 2022 (UTC)
 * there is clearly an issue to be discussed here, but the fact that you think there isn't, and that you can unilaterally impose your version without attempting to reach a consensus with other editors—while calling good-faith edits vandalism—marks you as an intractable editor, and it is apparent to me that trying to reach a civil agreement with you will be difficult, if not impossible. I'm going to escalate this issue. Revirvlkodlaku (talk) 14:00, 21 March 2022 (UTC)

Missing cites in Etymology of Svarog
The article cites "Łowmiański 2004" and "Derksen 2020" but no such sources are listed in the bibliography. Can you please add? Also, suggest installing a script to highlight such errors in the future. All you need to do is copy and paste importScript('User:Svick/HarvErrors.js'); // Backlink: User:Svick/HarvErrors.js to your common.js page. Thanks, Renata•3 17:45, 1 May 2022 (UTC)


 * ✅! Thanks for noticing. I'll use that script too! Sławobóg (talk) 18:18, 1 May 2022 (UTC)

Image on Porevit
Hello. You have removed my insertion of an image from Commons of Porevit with an edit summary of "Stop adding this image.." Could you please tell me about the time this image had been added before? I did check the article history and talk page before adding it and didn't see any dispute so I added this image (from a famous work) that is listed on wikidata for Porevit.

Moreover, if you think this image shouldn't be associated with Porevit, perhaps you should remove it from wikidata as well. Aithus (talk) 14:51, 30 June 2022 (UTC)


 * Hey, sorry, I messed something up, I was sure I had already removed this graphic. This graphic is mixing image of Porevit and Porenut (face on chest) and because of that it is confusing for new readers. I'm removing it from WD. Sławobóg (talk) 15:09, 30 June 2022 (UTC)

Guidance!
Will take into consideration newly quoted sources and make a more neutral edit regarding etymology and else on the article Dodola. Considering the connection with Perun, the article on Perun needs improvement and would be much appreciated that the editing is done by an editor interested in mythology. Best. Miki Filigranski (talk) 14:52, 24 July 2022 (UTC)

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 * @Diannaa hey, do I really need to do this when I'm author of the copied text? Sławobóg (talk) 20:32, 7 August 2022 (UTC)
 * It's still a good idea, because the text may have been edited in the meantime by others, and it's useful to patrollers. — Diannaa (talk) 21:28, 7 August 2022 (UTC)

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CE on Kupala Night
✅!  多多 1 2 3  19:11, 27 June 2023 (UTC)
 * it should be ready be the end of the day or sooner.  多多  1 2 3  14:07, 27 June 2023 (UTC)
 * thank you so much for your work! <3 Sławobóg (talk) 19:13, 27 June 2023 (UTC)
 * NP.  多多 1 2 3  19:15, 27 June 2023 (UTC)
 * I'm going to go offline for today, nice working with you.  多多 1 2 3  19:16, 27 June 2023 (UTC)
 * a big question, does the Night happen every year or only in 2009 as pictured on the article? All of the wording is talking in past tense, but it then changes to a present/continuous tense where it describes each Night which happens each year?  多多  1 2 3  14:24, 27 June 2023 (UTC)
 * @多多123 The chapter "Rituals and beliefs" describes the historical rituals involved and the historical context, so it should be moslty past tense. Celebration is also popular today, but I don't have good sources on that (I don't like media for such stuff). Sławobóg (talk) 14:42, 27 June 2023 (UTC)
 * hi, no. Not what I was talking about, the lead suggests that the festival does not happen anymore. Also, use re instead of doing the hard work of writing @User:USERNAME. <span style=" border: 2px solid #131515; border-radius: 4px; padding: 3px; background-color: #2B2C28; font-weight: bold;"> 多多  1 2 3  14:48, 27 June 2023 (UTC)
 * @多多123 The problem is that the holiday was originally celebrated from the night of the 23rd to the 24th (and usually it still is), but some people today move it to 21-22 (solstice). PS I use visual editor and mentioning here is easier that way. Sławobóg (talk) 14:58, 27 June 2023 (UTC)
 * without sufficient referencing to the latter information given you cannot say that it is now held on the 21 or 22. That makes sense. I use Wikicode editor. <span style=" border: 2px solid #131515; border-radius: 4px; padding: 3px; background-color: #2B2C28; font-weight: bold;"> 多多  1 2 3  15:09, 27 June 2023 (UTC)
 * @多多123 That is why I didn't mention that in the article. PS that is probably not helpful but article is translated from ru.wiki and expanded a little bit. Sławobóg (talk) 15:14, 27 June 2023 (UTC)
 * and that is why I'm going to make into present tense, as it is still being observed (pictured on Wikimedia) and there is no reliable source to show that it is not being held on the 23—24th. <span style=" border: 2px solid #131515; border-radius: 4px; padding: 3px; background-color: #2B2C28; font-weight: bold;"> 多多  1 2 3  15:18, 27 June 2023 (UTC)

I found a phrase in the second paragraph of the lead, The celebrations were held near the water, on the hills. Young men and women participated. does this mean that the celebrations no longer take place near the water? <span style=" border: 2px solid #131515; border-radius: 4px; padding: 3px; background-color: #2B2C28; font-weight: bold;"> 多多  1 2 3  15:39, 27 June 2023 (UTC)


 * @多多123 it is still celebrated near the water. A lot of customs are followed pretty well. But source used past tence so I went with it. Sławobóg (talk) 15:45, 27 June 2023 (UTC)
 * if it is still a custom which is followed it should be in present tense. Furthermore, the cited site reads to me this reads as an unambiguous copy-paste, and I think a rewrite would be better, as to not infringe any copyright situations. Any ideas? <span style=" border: 2px solid #131515; border-radius: 4px; padding: 3px; background-color: #2B2C28; font-weight: bold;"> 多多   1 2 3  15:47, 27 June 2023 (UTC)
 * @多多123 Well I didn't know how to write such short and simple information in a different way. You can edit it however you want, unless you want me to do something with it. Sławobóg (talk) 15:56, 27 June 2023 (UTC)
 * I'm just asking for your opinion. <span style=" border: 2px solid #131515; border-radius: 4px; padding: 3px; background-color: #2B2C28; font-weight: bold;"> 多多  1 2 3  15:57, 27 June 2023 (UTC)
 * @多多123 maybe "The ceremonies were attended mainly by young men and women and the ceremonies themselves took place near bodies of water, generally on elevated ground."? Sławobóg (talk) 16:04, 27 June 2023 (UTC)
 * this sounds like verbose, it complicates the meaning of a hill and diverts from the meaning of the citation. I hope you're happy with my new version. <span style=" border: 2px solid #131515; border-radius: 4px; padding: 3px; background-color: #2B2C28; font-weight: bold;"> 多多  1 2 3  16:06, 27 June 2023 (UTC)
 * @多多123 it's good. Sławobóg (talk) 16:11, 27 June 2023 (UTC)
 * the second paragraph states A number of activities and rituals... the third paragraph also talks about rituals, The rituals and symbolism... wouldn't it be better to stick the sentence of the third paragraph onto the second? <span style=" border: 2px solid #131515; border-radius: 4px; padding: 3px; background-color: #2B2C28; font-weight: bold;"> 多多  1 2 3  16:14, 27 June 2023 (UTC)
 * @多多123 Maybe. Just do what you think is correct. Sławobóg (talk) 16:27, 27 June 2023 (UTC)
 * if I do what I think is correct I might make a mistake, this is why it's important that I ask you, the requester. <span style=" border: 2px solid #131515; border-radius: 4px; padding: 3px; background-color: #2B2C28; font-weight: bold;"> 多多  1 2 3  17:31, 27 June 2023 (UTC)

a sentence says The name of the holiday would be related to the fact that the first ceremonial bath was taken during Kupala Night, and the connection to John the Baptist is secondary., first it says "would be" and then "is", so which one is it? You can't have both in the same sentence, it just doesn't make sense. <span style=" border: 2px solid #131515; border-radius: 4px; padding: 3px; background-color: #2B2C28; font-weight: bold;"> 多多  1 2 3  16:51, 27 June 2023 (UTC)


 * @多多123 it should be "is" then. Sławobóg (talk) 16:54, 27 June 2023 (UTC)
 * I see here: Since the 17th century, sources appear, according to which the holiday is dedicated to the deity Kupala, whom the Slavs were supposed to worship. However, modern researchers deny the existence of such a deity. that you wrote 'Since' (meaning that it is still going on) and 'sources appear' (present tense) and 'supposed to worship' (sounds like they didn't, but were supposed to), also do you have any references we could use here? <span style=" border: 2px solid #131515; border-radius: 4px; padding: 3px; background-color: #2B2C28; font-weight: bold;"> 多多   1 2 3  17:03, 27 June 2023 (UTC)
 * @多多123 By "since... sources appear" I mean't they first appear in 17th century, isn't it correct? I don't know when these stopped to appear but these don't appear today. There are references in main article, I can add them when you are finished. Sławobóg (talk) 17:17, 27 June 2023 (UTC)
 * OK, so, because this isn't contemporaneous I suggest changing it to 'From the 17th century, sources suggest that the holiday is dedicated to the deity Kupala', or similar. I also reworded it because the article contains a lot of "according to...", how about the 'supposed to worship' part? <span style=" border: 2px solid #131515; border-radius: 4px; padding: 3px; background-color: #2B2C28; font-weight: bold;"> 多多  1 2 3  17:26, 27 June 2023 (UTC)
 * @多多123 I think it's good. Sławobóg (talk) 17:39, 27 June 2023 (UTC)
 * I just saw this statement On this day it was customary to pray to John the Baptist for headaches and for children. on which day? 23th or 24th? Or on the day of Kupala Night, or the duration? <span style=" border: 2px solid #131515; border-radius: 4px; padding: 3px; background-color: #2B2C28; font-weight: bold;"> 多多 1 2 3  17:49, 27 June 2023 (UTC)
 * @多多123 I think it was June 24. Sławobóg (talk) 17:56, 27 June 2023 (UTC)
 * here, Ukrainians also preserved the main archaic elements, but changed their meaning in the 19th century. you say that the 'Ukrainians changed their meaning', what do you mean? To a reader, it seems that the Ukrainians change their meanings, which is quite confusing, as you can't change the meaning of a person. <span style=" border: 2px solid #131515; border-radius: 4px; padding: 3px; background-color: #2B2C28; font-weight: bold;"> 多多 1 2 3  18:02, 27 June 2023 (UTC)
 * @多多123 meanings of the archaic elements. Sławobóg (talk) 18:05, 27 June 2023 (UTC)
 * also, what do you mean by "meaning"? <span style=" border: 2px solid #131515; border-radius: 4px; padding: 3px; background-color: #2B2C28; font-weight: bold;"> 多多 1 2 3  18:07, 27 June 2023 (UTC)
 * @多多123 symbolic meaning. Sławobóg (talk) 18:11, 27 June 2023 (UTC)

I found an interesting phrase here, A khorovod was led around the bonfire, dancing, singing poop songs, and jumping over the bonfire: whoever jumps more successfully and higher will be happier. the word "poop" really struck my eyes, is this on purpose or just a vandaliser? If not, please, add a Wikilink to an article related to these songs, as I do not believe most readers will know what they are, including me. <span style=" border: 2px solid #131515; border-radius: 4px; padding: 3px; background-color: #2B2C28; font-weight: bold;"> 多多 1 2 3  18:36, 27 June 2023 (UTC)


 * @多多123 whops, it should be "Kupala songs", I somehow missed that. Sławobóg (talk) 18:38, 27 June 2023 (UTC)
 * that's fine, I'll change it. <span style=" border: 2px solid #131515; border-radius: 4px; padding: 3px; background-color: #2B2C28; font-weight: bold;"> 多多 1 2 3  18:42, 27 June 2023 (UTC)

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